Framerate issues

[BlackUforia]

During battles In King Arthur 2 my framerate drops to about 5 fps, which is nigh unplayable for me. I can play shogun on Ultra settings yet cannot play this on the lowest?! WTH? The battles are on a much smaller scale yet im getting fps issues on the lowest possible settings O_o?

Specs:
Core 2 quad q8400 @2.66 GHz
ATI radeon 5770 1GB
8 ggb ddr2 RAm @ 1600mhz
Windows 7 x64

EDIT: The fact the the game studios own employees can answer threads regarding making armies but not that regarding a technical problem which makes the game un-playable for me has utterly disgusted me and I shall be looking to receive a refund for the game if this issue( which seems to be affecting other people too.) is not resolved soon, first SOTS 2 and now this, never again Paradox, never again.

[Schlangers]

During battles In King Arthur 2 my framerate drops to about 5 fps, which is nigh unplayable for me. I can play shogun on Ultra settings yet cannot play this on the lowest?! WTH? The battles are on a much smaller scale yet im getting fps issues on the lowest possible settings O_o?

Specs:
Core 2 quad q8400 @2.66 GHz
ATI radeon 5770 1GB
8 ggb ddr2 RAm @ 1600mhz
Windows 7 x64

EDIT: The fact the the game studios own employees can answer threads regarding making armies but not that regarding a technical problem which makes the game un-playable for me has utterly disgusted me and I shall be looking to receive a refund for the game if this issue( which seems to be affecting other people too.) is not resolved soon, first SOTS 2 and now this, never again Paradox, never again.

Calm down, they know and presumably ppl are working on the problem, I had the same issues as you but that last patch fixed it... I am sure you will be getting a performance upgrade with the next major patch.

[Clegane]

EDIT: The fact the the game studios own employees can answer threads regarding making armies but not that regarding a technical problem which makes the game un-playable for me has utterly disgusted me and I shall be looking to receive a refund for the game if this issue( which seems to be affecting other people too.) is not resolved soon, first SOTS 2 and now this, never again Paradox, never again.

Perhaps because they have answered the 'performance issue' question in a dozen different posts already in the past two weeks. No one is requiring you to use the Search function here, but if you elect not to use it and then you moan and complain (only 20 minutes after posting, no less) about not getting an answer when a simple search would have sorted you out...you wind up looking like a halfwit. And a ranting one at that.

[trucane]

Calm down, they know and presumably ppl are working on the problem, I had the same issues as you but that last patch fixed it... I am sure you will be getting a performance upgrade with the next major patch.

You mean like all those patches that was supposed to come for KA1 as well? Be happy if half of the bugs and issues are fixed before Neocore jumping onto their next project

[Schlangers]

You mean like all those patches that was supposed to come for KA1 as well? Be happy if half of the bugs and issues are fixed before Neocore jumping onto their next project

Personally never had a single problem with the game, only with the second and now the problems aren't performance related for me at least.

[Clegane]

You mean like all those patches that was supposed to come for KA1 as well? Be happy if half of the bugs and issues are fixed before Neocore jumping onto their next project

You do realize, right, that Neocore released SEVEN patches for KA1? You talk like they just released it and utterly abandoned it, as opposed to releasing multiple patches and updates.

Furthermore, not that it has anything to do with this thread (but since you decided to be whiney and petulant I'll address it), my copy of KA1 works just fine. Completely playable, enjoyable, and has been for well over two years now.

[BlackUforia]

Perhaps because they have answered the 'performance issue' question in a dozen different posts already in the past two weeks. No one is requiring you to use the Search function here, but if you elect not to use it and then you moan and complain (only 20 minutes after posting, no less) about not getting an answer when a simple search would have sorted you out...you wind up looking like a halfwit. And a ranting one at that.

Actually, they have yet to answer what is causing the performance problems as I've spent the last 4 hours looking for a single Neocore response on how to FIX it. perhaps you shouldn't bother posting in threads about performance problems when you aren't having any issues, in fact not contributing to fixing the problem makes you just look immature.

[Clegane]

Actually, they have yet to answer what is causing the performance problems as I've spent the last 4 hours looking for a single Neocore response on how to FIX it. perhaps you shouldn't bother posting in threads about performance problems when you aren't having any issues, in fact not contributing to fixing the problem makes you just look immature.

Except, you see, you never ASKED about a fix.
You posted your specs and 20 minutes later started ranting about how you were 'utterly disgusted', how you were going to demand a refund, and how you would never purchase a Paradox product again.

Kate has posted links to an FAQ with some (very basic) steps for reducing system load and improving performance. Those steps work well for some people while others are still waiting for a performance fix in a patch.

Again, if you'd spent that 20 minutes between posting and editing looking up other threads about framerate issues instead of getting yourself worked up into some 'disgusted', angry tirade about how much Paradox sucks, you'd have found the best answer you're going to get for the time being.

Point is, next time just relax and do some homework before you feel the need to share with the entire forum how 'utterly disgusted' you are by a 20-minute lack of response and how much you now loathe Paradox Interactive. It makes you look more like a reasonable human being and less like a ranting curmudgeon.

[RavN]

Actually, they have yet to answer what is causing the performance problems as I've spent the last 4 hours looking for a single Neocore response on how to FIX it. perhaps you shouldn't bother posting in threads about performance problems when you aren't having any issues, in fact not contributing to fixing the problem makes you just look immature.

How exactly is neocore supposed to fix your issue, in less then half a day, on a computer they have never seen before? The fact that you are getting 5 fps means there is something amiss with your PC. How are your drivers? Is your gpu set to maximum performance power mode? Do you overclock and what are your core temps in game? Those would be the first questions I would ask. Maybe you are trying to max this game out and try some of the hardware pushing settings that this game offers. In which case simply your computer is inferior. If you change the settings and the resolution you should notice a significant change in fps. If you don't your computer is simply broken.

Simply bad performance on a game is not a reason to demand anything. Think about all those noobs who complained about crysis 1 performance without even realizing that the game was just pushing the industry ahead into a new generation and that their was nothing majory wrong with the "optimization" of that game although people claimed otherwise.

EDIT: I just read a few threads on the official paradox forums and it seems that their actually is some sort of major performance bug going on that some people have and some do not. The amount of people having this issue means that it is not just an anomally as I incorrectly assumed. So in your case my advice is to either be patient and wait for them to fix the game which they probably will eventually or try and get a refund from steam.

[Astasia]

I can play shogun on Ultra settings yet cannot play this on the lowest?!

I think people are misremembering that game. The graphics in TWS2 are total crap compared to KA2, I would even say they are crap compared to KA1. I'm in the same boat as you, I can't play KA2 because of slideshow FPS and ya it definitely needs optimization, but comparing a game that looks worse on "ultra" to what this game looks like on lowest is kind of a waste of time. Pick something that actually has semi-modern looking graphics like Skyrim or whatever, not a game that can be played with an old single core Pentium 4 (actual min requirements for TWS2... Pentium 4).

[trucane]

I think people are misremembering that game. The graphics in TWS2 are total crap compared to KA2, I would even say they are crap compared to KA1. I'm in the same boat as you, I can't play KA2 because of slideshow FPS and ya it definitely needs optimization, but comparing a game that looks worse on "ultra" to what this game looks like on lowest is kind of a waste of time. Pick something that actually has semi-modern looking graphics like Skyrim or whatever, not a game that can be played with an old single core Pentium 4 (actual min requirements for TWS2... Pentium 4).

Obvious troll is obvious....

[Primagen of End]

Shogun total war does not look like crap, it is a very good looking game. No discussion. Period.:(

King Arthur I and KA II are very good looking games and they should have right around shogun performance for equivalent settings. Neocore is a smaller Dev so I understand that they cannot optimize to the extent of creative assemblies effort. However to say that the performance degradation is due to better graphics is bull♥♥♥♥. :mad:

KA I looks slightly worse then KA II yet plays 2x as good on my rig on max settings compared to KA II on minimum settings. Something has to be wrong. :eek:

[Astasia]

You people are nuts. There's not a single thing about TWS2 that looks "high quality." It was obviously designed from the ground up to run fast even on 10 year old PCs. It's simple, low poly, and very stylized.

http://image.gamespotcdn.net/gamespot/images/2011/055/997383_20110225_640screen004.jpg

vs

http://image.gamespotcdn.net/gamespot/images/2012/022/619217_20120123_640screen001.jpg

Totally different levels of detail and graphics and you can not argue with that. It's like comparing WoW to Skyrim.

[NightLight]

Well, look and graphic definitely is a personal taste and you cannot force your idea on someone else who thinks differently.

I personally think that TWS2 looks and feels great, and they improve on each expansions. King Arthur 2 looks great too, but in the end, it is the gameplay that made the game for me. TWS2 animation is top notch and the battle sequence, animation, variety, UI, performance (IMPORTANT!) of the game definitely still win over KA2.

I was hoping KA2 will be able to compete, but for now I find that the animation is still behind, and the performance definitely is lagging. I guess seeing all the eye candy but unable to play the game properly is not going to make me happy.

[Astasia]

TWS2 animation is top notch and the battle sequence, animation, variety, UI, performance (IMPORTANT!) of the game definitely still win over KA2.

Animations are animations though, not graphics. UI is UI, variety is variety. Only is performance related to graphics quality, and I agree I'd rather have more simple graphics and better performance, but I've felt that way always and it doesn't stop games from trying to constantly push the limits.

I prefer simple and stylized graphics to ultra realistic effect heavy graphics, that's a personal opinion. In fact I prefer 2D to 3D, I think Wakfu is probably the best looking game in existence. You can still judge a game's graphics quality though even if you aren't a fan of the style, and KA2's graphics quality are top notch and easily the highest in the genre, it's just too bad they designed it for some future generation of PCs.

[Primagen of End]

http://www.totalwar.com/shogun2/screenshots/9642

Now you are going to tell me that Shogun Total war is ugly? Please... it is very good looking on max settings. :cool:

[Astasia]

I never said ugly, but tell me how that compares at all to this?

http://image.gamespotcdn.net/gamespot/images/2012/022/619217_20120123_640screen009.jpg

Answer: It doesn't.

[Primagen of End]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ae04l5oR0OQ&feature=related

Oh I would say they are peers. Slight nod to KA II for character details but Shogun has much better landscapes etc.

[trucane]

Stop feeding the troll. You should have spotted him as soon as he called Skyrim a modern good looking game. Fact is that Shogun 2 looks way better than KA1/2 unless you really bring down the graphic settings

[Deacz]

You do realize, right, that Neocore released SEVEN patches for KA1?


You do realize that Ka1 still have the crash on battle exit bug? even after SEVEN patches for KA1!

[copper1956]

Low fps in KA2 is not graphic issue. I tried all settings -- they dont influence.

[Astasia]

Stop feeding the troll. You should have spotted him as soon as he called Skyrim a modern good looking game.

Ya, I'm the troll.

[Pheonix Wright]

Ya, I'm the troll.

You are. Skyrims textures and effects are crap only it's scale is impressive(not to mention the game only utilizes 2 cores and renders it's shadows and many effects on the CPU -_- it's hardly a modern game it was clearly designed for 6 year old hardware cough consoles cough). Shogun 2's battles also look much better than KA2 and the soldiers are unique with different faces and armor among the same type of units whereas King Arthur units all look identical, Don't even get me started on AI...if KA's AI uses any significant amount of processing power at all I'd be surprised...it's kinda godawful...)...The world map for Shogun is less detailed but only because it's stylized to look like a map...

KA2 also runs Identical on minimum settings as max. There is clearly somthing very wrong...

[Astasia]

it's hardly a modern game it was clearly designed for 6 year old hardware cough consoles cough

As opposed to which modern mainstream games?

[Jacks]

You do realize that Ka1 still have the crash on battle exit bug? even after SEVEN patches for KA1!

I bought KA1 recently and played it. I liked the game but it would crash after exiting battles sometimes which in the end made me quit playing it and get Shogun 2 instead. I recently bought KA2 Prologue just to check out how that would work since I really liked the whole fantasy war setup and a lot of game elements.

KA2 looks great and I really want to play it, but I had performance issues, so I'm holding out on buying the full game. For now I'm just playing Shogun 2. I gave up on KA1 because of the frequent crashes after exiting battle.

I haven't experienced any crashes to desktop in KA2, so I'm guardedly optimistic that they'll soon fix the performance issues and then it's a sure buy for me.

[Jacks]

Low fps in KA2 is not graphic issue. I tried all settings -- they dont influence.

I did the same and in my experience you're correct.

[Clegane]

You do realize that Ka1 still have the crash on battle exit bug? even after SEVEN patches for KA1!

No, I didn't realize that. Because, despite having finished KA1 from beginning to end four separate times (as well as playing both DLCs and Fallen Champions), I have never even once had the game crash after exiting a fight.

So...sorry that the patches didn't work for you. But they obviously did their job with my copy because I have not been plagued by this bug.

In any event, it has little enough to do with my initial post on the subject. My point was that they have released seven patches for KA1, which hardly feels like the 'lack of support' that someone was crying about.

[NightLight]

So I guess we are back at square 1. I'm still having a performance issue whereas I have almost none in TWS2, and that game can adapt to my machine (meaning if I set the graphic to low setting, I can definitely boost my performance).

Something is definitely wrong with the game, even after the patch. The only thing that currently fixed it for me is if I'm using the WHQL Certified driver (I'm on NVIDIA) and not beta drivers. Performance in battle improved a bit, but the loading time improved a lot. Not sure why, but I guess this is how I am going to play (or not play) until the dev found the real problem and address it.

[rexalrex]

Well, it actually works better in my case with the latest beta driver (also NVIDIA, gtx 460). Have no idea why, though...
Still have this annoying message regarding the text, but it doesn't crash the game, only creates inconvenience