Jagged Alliance Steam Poster Image WRONG?

[Peace&Anarchy]

A question: If you are seeing the Jagged Alliance Back in Action poster on the Store front of Steam ask yourself this. If a gun firing action will create forces mostly backwards and up after a shot... what force is trying to control the secondary arm supporting your primary arm from below (besides the weight of the gun when you are NOT firing)?

For more information, google : cup and saucer grip

[Neonwarrior]

A question: If you are seeing the Jagged Alliance Back in Action poster on the Store front of Steam ask yourself this. If a gun firing action will create forces mostly backwards and up after a shot... what force is trying to control the secondary arm supporting your primary arm from below (besides the weight of the gun when you are NOT firing)?

For more information, google : cup and saucer grip

To steady your hands, to aim with less shakiness, to support the weight of your arms..

I mean that's pretty standard when it comes to firing a pistol. Firing with one hand is cool but just stupid.

[Peace&Anarchy]

Actually, it was an ironic question.
The handgun grip used in that imaged is usually called "cup and saucer" because of the position of the hands. It's an old fashioned nearly useless grip that while still taught it has several flaws compared to other types of grips.
My point was, once the gun is fired, in that "cup and saucer" grip, it's quite common that your hands separated since the gun will go up and backwards in your hand(due to recoil), not down. So, this shall we say "hollywood" type grip is not only outdated but also quite useless for rapid fire since you'd have to grip and aim your handgun again for every shot fired.
My final point, if you gonna make a poster image for a game, please, try to do a bit of research.

For reference, google: Weaver Grip & Fist Grip

[Neonwarrior]

Actually, it was an ironic question.
The handgun grip used in that imaged is usually called "cup and saucer" because of the position of the hands. It's an old fashioned nearly useless grip that while still taught it has several flaws compared to other types of grips.
My point was, once the gun is fired, in that "cup and saucer" grip, it's quite common that your hands separated since the gun will go up and backwards in your hand(due to recoil), not down. So, this shall we say "hollywood" type grip is not only outdated but also quite useless for rapid fire since you'd have to grip and aim your handgun again for every shot fired.
My final point, if you gonna make a poster image for a game, please, try to do a bit of research.

For reference, google: Weaver Grip & Fist Grip



All of those grips are just a matter of personal preference. Just because the cover guy uses one grip over another, it doesn't mean that the developers "didn't do their research." If the cup and saucer grip is so ineffective and useless, then why does it exist at all?

[Jez]

Couldn't you also explain it away by saying that the mercenaries in the game all have varying degrees of military training, so having at least one of them use an outdated or suboptimal grip is probably to be expected?

[Peace&Anarchy]

Hey, you could both be right you know. Maybe they did the research and of course, it's a matter of personal preference.
Now, let me give you an example. You are making a marketing campaing of a cars game that mainly deals with driving cars. And in the Poster Main Image you will use to market your game you show this: A predominant left hand driver, seating on the driver seat on the left side of the car, with his/her left hand on the shift and his/her right hand on the wheel... basically, his/her hands crossing, one on the wheel, one on the shift.
You can drive like that, and it can even be your personal preference to do it like that. Maybe your driving expertice is not top notch. No problem there... but.. would you choose that image to publish your game?
Should you look at which is the most common way of driving a car and use that as an example for your publishing campaign?
That's all I'm asking.

[gerav]

Actually, it was an ironic question.
The handgun grip used in that imaged is usually called "cup and saucer" because of the position of the hands. It's an old fashioned nearly useless grip that while still taught it has several flaws compared to other types of grips.
My point was, once the gun is fired, in that "cup and saucer" grip, it's quite common that your hands separated since the gun will go up and backwards in your hand(due to recoil), not down. So, this shall we say "hollywood" type grip is not only outdated but also quite useless for rapid fire since you'd have to grip and aim your handgun again for every shot fired.
My final point, if you gonna make a poster image for a game, please, try to do a bit of research.

For reference, google: Weaver Grip & Fist Grip

Who said that he will shoot in rapid fire, single shot in head and thats it.

[Peace&Anarchy]

Who said that he will shoot in rapid fire, single shot in head and thats it.

Hollywood indeed.

[Daverwob]

You are right, this is how it's done.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/42/Jagged_Alliance_2_Coverart.png

[Venimous]

That's a hollywood style grip?

Odd, i thought a hollywood style grip looked more like this. (http://www.g33kwatch.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/equilibrium.png)

If anything the JA2 image is very tame, he could be mid-air upside-down spinning in all directions with pistols connected to every extremety firing in every direction with 40 bad guys in the background dropping like they got peppered by a minigun.

[Sito]

There's nothing wrong with the grip, I don't hold the gun that way but I know many shooters that prefer to shoot this way...

[micksy]

Perhaps he's using the lower "saucer" hand as a platform seeing as he's looking down the sights for a long time. I dunno.

[SFCShadow]

You know the weaver or thumbs parallel method of holding a semi-automatic is a good grip, but the cup and tea or cup and saucer method is also a VALID grip, not as good perhaps as the other grip, but it's not like you are saying as bad or WRONG either.

The things people stretch to complain about in a game is sometimes just amazing! lol So I'll say...your contention is WRONG or perhaps your wording, but way to create some drama about a simple picture. lol

[Rain:.]

It's not really a valid grip for anything other than a revolver.

[Peace&Anarchy]

You know the weaver or thumbs parallel method of holding a semi-automatic is a good grip, but the cup and tea or cup and saucer method is also a VALID grip, not as good perhaps as the other grip, but it's not like you are saying as bad or WRONG either.

The things people stretch to complain about in a game is sometimes just amazing! lol So I'll say...your contention is WRONG or perhaps your wording, but way to create some drama about a simple picture. lol

Hey, no drama, just saying. I didn't even buy the game. I'm just a casual shooter and it was a bit of a surprise to see this image. I know it's a VALID grip, it's just a very strange grip to choose to promote a game in its poster image. If you see, the post says "WRONG?". It's a question and I wanted to see what other people thought about it.

Maybe it was too far to call it "hollywood" grip but it's the usual one used by actors in movies, so that's why I said it.

Again, valid grip, still in use, but just strange to use it as promotional image.

[RawrManbearpig]

Hey, no drama, just saying. I didn't even buy the game. I'm just a casual shooter and it was a bit of a surprise to see this image. I know it's a VALID grip, it's just a very strange grip to choose to promote a game in its poster image. If you see, the post says "WRONG?". It's a question and I wanted to see what other people thought about it.

Maybe it was too far to call it "hollywood" grip but it's the usual one used by actors in movies, so that's why I said it.

Again, valid grip, still in use, but just strange to use it as promotional image.

They chose to use the image of a valid, real, and common grip for the cover art. What is strange about that?

[Peace&Anarchy]

They chose to use the image of a valid, real, and common grip for the cover art. What is strange about that?

That while is valid, real and common, it's also outdated, far from the best and nearly useless at double tap or rapid fire... just an opinion.

[Teh_Saccade]

THIS is how you shoot a gun, noobs:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4D2QrT7yYYE

et lol:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mrkv-SSa7vs

and this just pwns:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51CTM49rcrs

[BlackAlpha666]

Again, valid grip, still in use, but just strange to use it as promotional image.

No, not really. It was very clever to use it in a promotional image.

[Peace&Anarchy]

No, not really. It was very clever to use it in a promotional image.

why do you think it was clever?

[Malakie]

Actually, it was an ironic question.
The handgun grip used in that imaged is usually called "cup and saucer" because of the position of the hands. It's an old fashioned nearly useless grip that while still taught it has several flaws compared to other types of grips.
My point was, once the gun is fired, in that "cup and saucer" grip, it's quite common that your hands separated since the gun will go up and backwards in your hand(due to recoil), not down. So, this shall we say "hollywood" type grip is not only outdated but also quite useless for rapid fire since you'd have to grip and aim your handgun again for every shot fired.
My final point, if you gonna make a poster image for a game, please, try to do a bit of research.

For reference, google: Weaver Grip & Fist Grip

So true.. but they did not do any research for the rest of the game why bother with the poster?

[ralpgalland]

That while is valid, real and common, it's also outdated, far from the best and nearly useless at double tap or rapid fire... just an opinion.

Odd..
I use that "outdated" grip, and I've not experienced those issues with doubletap or rapid fire...

But then again, it's not like I tried the other ways of holding a pistol, and chose the one that fit me, my hands and my shooting the best.
:P

[DarkJeff]

The funny thing is that within BiA, there's no "double tap" or any way to change your rate of fire with a pistol other than changing stances (and thus ways to hold your pistol).

[Sito]

Odd..
I use that "outdated" grip, and I've not experienced those issues with doubletap or rapid fire...

But then again, it's not like I tried the other ways of holding a pistol, and chose the one that fit me, my hands and my shooting the best.
:P

I use the thumb forward grip, but I've seen a lot of people like you winning competitions.

[Peace&Anarchy]

Odd..
I use that "outdated" grip, and I've not experienced those issues with doubletap or rapid fire...

But then again, it's not like I tried the other ways of holding a pistol, and chose the one that fit me, my hands and my shooting the best.
:P

Well, it IS outdated, but you can also be a perfect marksman with a cup n saucer or your personalized bizarre grip (as long as it's safe). That goes for every other sports or physical activity.

On the point of physics and stance, it's not your optimal grip by far, since as said before, your support hand is basically just supporting weight and not the actions produced by the detonation of the cartridge. Maybe you are one tough popeye and don't need more muscle tension and rigid control over your firearm than the one you provide by your primary arm. So you can doble tap and rapid fire while keeping it steady emptying a 12 round magazine in .10mm Auto using the good ol' cup n saucer.

I would recommend you to try different grips and see if there's any improvement in the resulting group.

[DarkJeff]

Hm. If you don't need recoil compensation because you're firing slowly, then the cup and saucer grip would be perfectly viable, no? Just used to increase accuracy/precision.

[Sito]

Well, it IS outdated, but you can also be a perfect marksman with a cup n saucer or your personalized bizarre grip (as long as it's safe). That goes for every other sports or physical activity.

On the point of physics and stance, it's not your optimal grip by far, since as said before, your support hand is basically just supporting weight and not the actions produced by the detonation of the cartridge. Maybe you are one tough popeye and don't need more muscle tension and rigid control over your firearm than the one you provide by your primary arm. So you can doble tap and rapid fire while keeping it steady emptying a 12 round magazine in .10mm Auto using the good ol' cup n saucer.

I would recommend you to try different grips and see if there's any improvement in the resulting group.

As I said I've seen people at the range firing 9mm +P with that grip and without problems, it's just a matter of what's the best for you.