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SaynotoKlaus
02-22-2012, 02:39 PM
My old king character died , and his son inherited the throne.
At some point i notice that people dislike him because he is a foreigner - Saxon.
His father was Irish and his mother Norwegian , how the hell is he Saxon!? Game bug?

3pieceSuit
02-22-2012, 02:52 PM
Who educated him? A child's tutor has a very high chance of imparting their culture and religion on their student.

it is important you watch carefully when educating your child. In fact, you personally should always be the one doing the educating, that way you have control over the events.

SaynotoKlaus
02-22-2012, 03:09 PM
I suspected it might be because of this. I originally thought that the kid copies the mentor's skill (martial , diplomacy and stuff) and i kept picking people with high skills even if they weren't Irish.
Hmmm but now his son is also Saxon ,i guess i should pick a Irish teacher for him so my dynasty will be Irish again.

3pieceSuit
02-22-2012, 03:15 PM
Traits and skills are also important. Traits have a chance to pass on, especially the primary job trait (grey eminence, midas touched, brilliant strategist etc), and so do skills. This is apparently tied to the learning skill, so tutors with a high learning skill are what you should be looking for.

Main thing is there are many factors involved in tutoring, and most characters will not fulfill all of what you are looking for for the best hier. You need to pick and choose. Also, with anyone but yourself, you lose control of the many events which fire during the educating years.

RemoraDFC
02-22-2012, 04:51 PM
Also, with anyone but yourself, you lose control of the many events which fire during the educating years.

Could you expand on this for everyone. Its never been mentioned yet in forums or video yet.

Zorlond
02-22-2012, 04:59 PM
There are a bunch of events that the guardian of a child recieves, whereupon you are offered choices in how to respond to various behaviors. Often, you can encourage a new trait, attempt to prevent a trait from appearing, attempt to have the child recieve an opposing trait, or get some piety at the risk of the child getting the opposing trait.

A few of the events offer limited or just a single response... A child coming up out of the dungeon with a bloody knife in their hands... Nothing good comes from that.

What really kind of stinks is when your character kicks the bucket and your heir is still a child... You have very little control over how the child develops from that position. Although, putting them in the care of someone with a lot of desired traits and is highly loyal is generally the best you can do in that situation.

3pieceSuit
02-22-2012, 05:07 PM
Could you expand on this for everyone. Its never been mentioned yet in forums or video yet.

Absolutely.

Tutoring a character enables a series of random events for the character doing the educating. This may not be apparent if you are not the character doing the tutoring, because you will not see the events firing (occasionally you may see the result, especially if it is your heir or family member being tutored), but rest assured these events are firing.

The events generate traits, or take away traits from the child character, and occasionally have some negative or positive piety or prestige bonus to them as well.

If you choose to tutor the child yourself, the events will fire and you will get to choose the outcome. They generally flow like this:

First a random negative or positive trait is generated for child. Next an event fires for the educator that has several options. Some traits seem to open up extra options for these events. The options are usually to keep the trait, or replace it with a different trait.
You pick your option, which still usually have a % chance attached to them, and finally the original trait is either kept or replaced.

They can fire several times during a child's education.

Essentially these events let you craft what kind of character your heir or any other child you tutor ends up as as far as traits are concerned.

You can never rely on the AI for this, so if you want to ensure your heir has as little negative traits as possible, you need to tutor him. You can try to guide your firstborn into the way of a brave warrior, and you can make your second sons humble and craven.

Zorlond
02-22-2012, 05:12 PM
I prefer to make other family members Content instead of Craven. Content gives +50 Loyalty towards that character's Liege, while Craven causes -2 Martial and -10 Loyalty to all of their Vassals.

3pieceSuit
02-22-2012, 05:15 PM
I prefer to make other family members Content instead of Craven. Content gives +50 Loyalty towards that character's Liege, while Craven causes -2 Martial and -10 Loyalty to all of their Vassals.

Which perfectly counters the modifier for being a title claimant.

Good advice.