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dankm85
03-29-2012, 12:51 PM
There are several games like The Elder Scrolls Morrowwind and Silent Hunter 3 for instance"among others" that you cant just install through Steam and start playing but you need to do research and modify the game in order to make it work.

If Steam are going to sell these kinds of games they shold also when the purchase E-mail arrives tell you about these kinds of known issues and how to fix it.

If they are going to sell a game they in my opinion bother to learnb about this and should tell you how to make it work.

Regards

JoKeR_Her3
03-29-2012, 12:57 PM
I've heard that the place for old games is gog.com

They have their games better in quality regarding specifically old games.

xboxer
03-29-2012, 12:58 PM
The 2 games you listed work on Steam without having any modifications done to it. :)

BaSeBallDuDeR
03-29-2012, 12:58 PM
Both those games worked right away for me and nothing needed to be changed, win 7 64 bit

dankm85
03-29-2012, 01:12 PM
The 2 games you listed work on Steam without having any modifications done to it. :)


Did not work for me i made a thread about it.

I just bought this game and it just wont start.

I tried to download SH3_XPSP2_Res_Fix_for_1.4b some kind of resoloution fix but that dont seem to work either.

I treid to verify the game cache but no that dont work.

Any ideas?

Play on a 32 Inch Flatscreen using 1360x768 Resoloution " I tried to start it on default reseloution but that dont work either.

Im on a laptop using Windows 7

Packard Bell
Intel COre Duo processor p8700
Nvidia Geforce Gtx 260 M
8 gb Memory ram


Regards

xboxer
03-29-2012, 01:17 PM
Did not work for me i made a thread about it.

I just bought this game and it just wont start.

I tried to download SH3_XPSP2_Res_Fix_for_1.4b some kind of resoloution fix but that dont seem to work either.

I treid to verify the game cache but no that dont work.

Any ideas?

Play on a 32 Inch Flatscreen using 1360x768 Resoloution " I tried to start it on default reseloution but that dont work either.

Im on a laptop using Windows 7

Packard Bell
Intel COre Duo processor p8700
Nvidia Geforce Gtx 260 M
8 gb Memory ram


Regards

Maybe resolutions like these did not exist when the game was released. You should try asking on the Subsim forums.

Z Overlord
03-29-2012, 01:22 PM
The 2 games you listed work on Steam without having any modifications done to it. :)

That's not the point though. Allot of games have severe issues and only savy customers will know how to fix them.

For example, Red Faction 1 requires a fan made patch or it will often crash. It's been like this for like 7 years, that glitch will affect everyone but people using PC's from the 90's or early 00's.

dankm85
03-29-2012, 01:26 PM
That's not the point though. Allot of games have severe issues and only savy customers will know how to fix them.

For example, Red Faction 1 requires a fan made patch or it will often crash. It's been like this for like 7 years, that glitch will affect everyone but people using PC's from the 90's or early 00's.

You got my point sir. They should not sell people the game if the game in question dont work properly without special knowledge on how to fix it. And if they do sell the game they should provide the knowledge on how to fix it.

I bought the Silent Hunter Pack. I just tried to play Silent Hunter 4 and it will start , you get to the main menu, then upon starting the game it will crash.

Seriously? lol

ShaggyDK
03-29-2012, 01:31 PM
You got my point sir. They should not sell people the game if the game in question dont work properly without special knowledge on how to fix it. And if they do sell the game they should provide the knowledge on how to fix it.

I bought the Silent Hunter Pack. I just tried to play Silent Hunter 4 and it will start , you get to the main menu, then upon starting the game it will crash.

Seriously? lol

Steam list what OS every game is recommended. If Windows 7/Vista isn't on the list(Or whatever your OS is) then people shouldn't buy them unless they know they can resolve issues. It's not Steams fault that people who buy games not made for their OS when they know they can't fix issues if they arise.

dankm85
03-29-2012, 01:40 PM
Steam list what OS every game is recommended. If Windows 7/Vista isn't on the list(Or whatever your OS is) then people shouldn't buy them unless they know they can resolve issues. It's not Steams fault that people who buy games not made for their OS when they know they can't fix issues if they arise.

Well no one uses for instance windows 2000 now days as their OS that's listed as recommended for Silent Hunter 3.

So again if you are going to sell a game"especially when there are people who dont know these things they should make it perfectly clear." Otherwise they will just sucker people in that will see the game on sale on steam.

They whould basicly be selling a game that requires a system that almost noone uses anymore and then they should bother to teach people if they buy the game how to make it work

TeKraken
03-29-2012, 01:43 PM
Always check the forum before any purchase.

There could be any number of issues with any game.
Hardware/software/drm/other
If you visit the forum you can find most issues.

Some are widely known and fixes are documented, others, not so.

dankm85
03-29-2012, 02:39 PM
Always check the forum before any purchase.

There could be any number of issues with any game.
Hardware/software/drm/other
If you visit the forum you can find most issues.

Some are widely known and fixes are documented, others, not so.

I have been visiting forums and tried several things but its out of my leauge. Like it probobly is for most people. Obviously there are the possibility that there can be unknown issues but i think Steam should do some research and really try to find these kinds of solutions.

Remember there are KNOWN issues and known FIXES they should be aware of those and provide assistence. Upon contacting Steam, the first messege is a generic copy paste message usually that does not help at all"i have gotten those" .

When replying to that message and asking for assistance they will reply somthing like verify the game cache or not our problem contact the game developer.

I just feel if they are going to put a game on sale they should bother.

Cheers

ShaggyDK
03-29-2012, 04:29 PM
Well no one uses for instance windows 2000 now days as their OS that's listed as recommended for Silent Hunter 3.

So again if you are going to sell a game"especially when there are people who dont know these things they should make it perfectly clear." Otherwise they will just sucker people in that will see the game on sale on steam.

They whould basicly be selling a game that requires a system that almost noone uses anymore and then they should bother to teach people if they buy the game how to make it work

People still use Windows 2000. You're just assuming because YOU don't no one else does.


You're missing the point. You bought a game that says NOTHING about your OS and then decided.. "Oh, it's their fault I bought something they don't me might not work on my system"

It's 100% your fault. It'd be like someone getting upset that Linux isn't supported after buying it.

dankm85
03-29-2012, 06:25 PM
People still use Windows 2000. You're just assuming because YOU don't no one else does.


You're missing the point. You bought a game that says NOTHING about your OS and then decided.. "Oh, it's their fault I bought something they don't me might not work on my system"

It's 100% your fault. It'd be like someone getting upset that Linux isn't supported after buying it.

You are Semi correct im not saying its their fault in that sense.

I get if its a store where you buy psysical copies of games thats one thing.

But Steam is probobly one of the largest Online game Stores so why cant they have a decent support and not respond with copy paste messages. They definatly could if they just wanted to.If they sell these games that probobly will have issues as one of the biggest online gaming community is it so far fetched? it whould be nice if they could provide some help with these kinds of issues.Of course they dont "have to" or are legaly obligated to help.
Since im a total noob when it comes to these kinds of thingys its hard to figure this stuff out on your own.

Computer issues i spoken in a diffrent language that for the ignorant is a foreign language.

Regards

thorvaaldr
03-29-2012, 08:19 PM
Steam list what OS every game is recommended. If Windows 7/Vista isn't on the list(Or whatever your OS is) then people shouldn't buy them unless they know they can resolve issues.

Bingo.

I will say, at this point in time, they might want to put a more obvious visual flag on all the games that are not Win 7 or Vista compatible. The system specs are down at the bottom in fine-ish print.

MADDOGGE
03-29-2012, 08:51 PM
If you buy a old game without researching it then it's your fault not Steams if it doesn't work. This is no different than buying a old retail copy from Ebay or Amazon. You would still have to work at some of them to get them to work properly on newer equipment and OS's. No site other than GoG.com guarantees to make sure they run on modern systems. All other DD sites you are buying from are as is including Steam. Steam just sells what is sent to them. They do not modify any 3rd party games they sell.


I just grateful that sites like Steam and GoG provide a place to buy older games from without being prey to scalpers on Amazon and Ebay. Once I get the files legitly I can do whatever is needed to play them. I just want the games legally from someone at a fair price.

dankm85
03-31-2012, 07:11 AM
Bingo.

I will say, at this point in time, they might want to put a more obvious visual flag on all the games that are not Win 7 or Vista compatible. The system specs are down at the bottom in fine-ish print.

Yes that whould be nice for instance before you purchase the game in question it should read.

Just as a example

Warning this game uses a older Operating System and is not compatible with Windows 7,Windows Vista or Windows Xp.
Research is needed to get them running.
There might be ways to get this game running on these Operating Systems but there is still a chance that it wont.

We suggest you google this or here are a couple of forums "list forúms here" where you can ask people who might be able to help you.


I mean if you know computer issues then you dont need such a statement to know this already but alot of people are not as good with handeling computer issues and these games are marketed to EVERYONE not just the people with experience.So they should make things clearer .

Elenoe
03-31-2012, 07:19 AM
You got my point sir. They should not sell people the game if the game in question dont work properly without special knowledge on how to fix it
sorry, but you should buy console then. PC's are very VERY distinctive to each other. Yours is different to mine.

And I'm sure developers are really sorry they didn't develop games in 1997 with Windows 7 compatibility in mind, but you know.. they're just people.

Anyway.. games you mentioned work even with clean install. But remember simple rule: with PC it's YOUR responsibility to ensure your computer is compatible with game.

Yes that whould be nice for instance before you purchase the game in question it should read.
you mean something like this (http://store.steampowered.com/app/8190)? Many games have that. Usually those that REALLY don't work.

MADDOGGE
03-31-2012, 07:39 AM
People have unrealistic expectations in regards to older titles. Steam sells games as is. What you get is what the publisher/developers sends them. Unless it's some so called "HD" version you can rest assured it will need whatever community patches have been developed over the years to run. The publishers aren't going to include those patches and fixes in most cases. It's always been the customers responsibility to do the research on any game before buying. GoG.com is an exception to the rule because part of it's mission statement to insure that the older games they sell run on modern equipment and OS's. That's one of the reasons they are popular. NO other DD provider makes the same commitment.


If a game runs for a majority of people and not you the problem I assure you is at your end. No two rigs are identical even if you have the same CPU/GPU, nor is the software installed on them. Both of which can have adverse effects on some games running or running properly. This is part and parcel to PC gaming and always has been. These days we have way too many console babes venturing into PC gaming expecting a plug and play experience like they are used to on their consoles. Ain't going to happen. When it doesn't it's always Steams fault.

dankm85
03-31-2012, 07:51 AM
People have unrealistic expectations in regards to older titles. Steam sells games as is. What you get is what the publisher/developers sends them. Unless it's some so called "HD" version you can rest assured it will need whatever community patches have been developed over the years to run. The publishers aren't going to include those patches and fixes in most cases. It's always been the customers responsibility to do the research on any game before buying. GoG.com is an exception to the rule because part of it's mission statement to insure that the older games they sell run on modern equipment and OS's. That's one of the reasons they are popular. NO other DD provider makes the same commitment.


If a game runs for a majority of people and not you the problem I assure you is at your end. No two rigs are identical even if you have the same CPU/GPU, nor is the software installed on them. Both of which can have adverse effects on some games running or running properly. This is part and parcel to PC gaming and always has been. These days we have way too many console babes venturing into PC gaming expecting a plug and play experience like they are used to on their consoles. Ain't going to happen. When it doesn't it's always Steams fault.

Well you guys are right. But its just frustrating and im not blaiming Steam in that sense and it is my responsibility in the end.

Im not saying its Steams fault that the game wont work.

Ive been playing Pc games and console game for ages so im not some console babe who just got into Pc gaming recently.

Im just terrible with these issues and feel like it whould be nice if there was some sort of professional support when it comes to this stuff.Or atleast a support that wont copy paste replies lulz :P


I mean ive been tackeling these kinds of computer issues for ages and its not getting easier.

Now days in the age of Internet and online trade and such is it so far fetched that gaming companies whould take their time and at least findout about the known issues and just put a notification of these known issues?

MADDOGGE
03-31-2012, 08:02 AM
Well you guys are right. But its just frustrating and im not blaiming Steam in that sense and it is my responsibility in the end.Ive been playing Pc games and console game for ages so im not some console babe who just got into Pc gaming recently.

Im just terrible with these issues and feel like it whould be nice if there was some sort of professional support when it comes to this stuff.Or atleast a support that wont copy paste replies lulz :P


I mean ive been tackeling these kinds of computer issues for ages and its not getting easier.No, it doesn't get any easier. I've been so pleased with Win7 64's back compatibility. The best so far in Windows imo. I still remember games breaking with each service pack added to XP. Vista allowed me to play a few of the games I had lost under XP. With Win7 64 however I got all but maybe 10 running again. The only exceptions being games that were 16bit or had 16bit DRM even if the game itself was 32bit. for those I have an old P4 running Win98/XP.

The problem with posting warning is they aren't always accurate. Case in point. Dirt 1 on it's store page states: "Notice: Does not support Windows 7". This isn't true though. it's a false statement. Dirt 1, both retail and steam versions run fine on my rig under Win7 64.

dankm85
03-31-2012, 09:36 AM
The problem with posting warning is they aren't always accurate. Case in point. Dirt 1 on it's store page states: "Notice: Does not support Windows 7". This isn't true though. it's a false statement. Dirt 1, both retail and steam versions run fine on my rig under Win7 64.

Its very true what you say about computer issues i think what is needed or what whould be awesome is a new independent company who whould focus only on these kinds of issues regarding any type of computer game using any kind of specs hiring specialists with these issues.

I doubt that whould actually happen but whouldn't that be great?

If there was a support you could acually ask these kinds of things who whould help the best way they could, they whould constantly gather and file diffrent kinds of issues with diffrent games.

Imagine when buying a game you could click a link to this support lol that whould be awesome .

Hellstrong
03-31-2012, 12:55 PM
@OP the problem is you, you dont read system requirements to see if your OS is supported at all. on both sales pages you mention you can see that the game likely wont work on your OS
"OS: Windows 2000 / XP(only)"
"OS: Windows ME/98/XP/2000"