What PC gamer wants from Black Ops 2

[xV1per7x]

we all know that PC is NOT the focus of the development. (anymore)

but i made a list (hopefully read) of what PC gamer want, as it being a game on PC.

Spend an extra time developing for the PC on:
-Graphic
-FOV changer
-Extensive Graphical Option
-Dedicated Server (rank and non-rank)

if all this are done, then we will have no problem buying black ops 2 on the PC. im sure everyother PC gamer would feel the same way.

add more below if you have any particular ones i missed

[SamuelKPeter]

-DX11 is confirmed
-Already existed in Black Ops
-What?
-Already existed in Black Ops

[SwaT98]

Add pc optimization as all cods had.
Black Ops 1 is the worst unoptimized game,it lags a lot.

[PedexReemexDK]

-DX11 is confirmed
-Already existed in Black Ops (FOV)
-What?
-Already existed in Black Ops

when i changed my FOV in blackops it only made my gun fov higher, not the FIELD OF VIEW!

[SamuelKPeter]

when i changed my FOV in blackops it only made my gun fov higher, not the FIELD OF VIEW!

Of course the slider won't bring it to some fish-eyed FOV on the likes of 120. The slider adjusts from 65 to 90 (which is the acceptable FOV for PC gaming since Quake).

[Smith001]

Q: What PC gamer wants from Black Ops 2?

A: Innovation.

[SamuelKPeter]

Q: What PC gamer wants from Black Ops 2?

A: Innovation.

Well, ain't that what you wanted? New setting? Sandbox-ish campaign? And that as far as the info goes, because there's a lot more to reveal out in the upcoming months.

[-=THe M@TRiX=-]

I hope we get:

Spend an extra time developing for the PC on:
- Better Graphic (incl. proper DX11)
- FOV changer for all game modes (incl. Zombies)
- Extensive Graphical Option
- Dedicated Server (rank and non-rank)
- Public Dedicated Server files (so we can host and config our own ranked servers!)
- Mod tools / map creator tools (with steam workshop integration)

[diwas13]

Un-capped frame rate. Not freaking locked at 80 or 90.

[SamuelKPeter]

I hope we get:

Spend an extra time developing for the PC on:
- Better Graphic (incl. proper DX11)
- FOV changer for all game modes (incl. Zombies)
- Extensive Graphical Option
- Dedicated Server (rank and non-rank)
- Public Dedicated Server files (so we can host and config our own ranked servers!)
- Mod tools / map creator tools (with steam workshop integration)

I actually don't want people to have dedicated server files and map tools. When we were given dedicated servers back in Black Ops, we saw servers with stupid rules and terrible admins.

Now when you give people server files, they can make their own hacked servers. You know hacked lobbies? Exactly.

As for tools: modding tools are fine but I don't think this franchise's community is mature enough to make maps on their own. Publishing mods on Steam Workshop actually seems like a good idea.

Un-capped frame rate. Not freaking locked at 80 or 90.

You should feel grateful you can at least make it up to 60... Anything else more than that isn't useful unless you're a video maker.

[Larrs81]

Proper pc support. The same they give to the console.

Even Treyarch gives better pc support than IW.

[Roler42]

All i want is a proper campaign (look how good mw1 was, i want that kind of good campaign, not that excact campaign, but i want that level quality)

I want it to have a natural lenght, no stupid rushing, i can alternate between SP and MP with no problem and no need to cover one entirely before trying the other

I want it to do anything but be rushed, Mw3 had the most rushed campaign i've ever seen, i even found myself wondering why should i care when a character dies, everything was happening so fast i didn't even get a chance to get attached to anyone

Give me that and i'll be a happy player

[SamuelKPeter]

All i want is a proper campaign (look how good mw1 was, i want that kind of good campaign, not that excact campaign, but i want that level quality)

I want it to have a natural lenght, no stupid rushing, i can alternate between SP and MP with no problem and no need to cover one entirely before trying the other

I want it to do anything but be rushed, Mw3 had the most rushed campaign i've ever seen, i even found myself wondering why should i care when a character dies, everything was happening so fast i didn't even get a chance to get attached to anyone

Give me that and i'll be a happy player

Treyarch has been saying they are aiming towards a sandbox-ish campaign, that is: multiple choices (either decisions or ways to complete a mission), Strike Force missions which you can choose freely throughout the story where you can take control of either a soldier, a drone or whatever, where the story progresses accordingly if you either win or lose these missions. 2/3 of the campaign will be in the future, and the rest 1/3 will be post-Black Ops in the 80's. That's what we know so far.

[Peckpogydah]

1. Better Anti-Cheat.
2. Skill based MP, not twich based.
3. Different Era (pre-1980 or post-2050)
4. No Kill Streaks (or options for servers to disable them)
5. Teammates that care more about winning the match, then their K/D.

[caperjim]

Gamepad support like the first Black ops. Yes its true i use gamepads for most 1st person shooter multiplayer games and love it. I enjoy a challenge and do great with them. MW3 had no support so i didnt bother buying it.

[Blastcore]

Add pc optimization as all cods had.
Black Ops 1 is the worst unoptimized game,it lags a lot.

It's official that they're not going to use Black Ops Engine. (Which is a Modern Warfare 2 Modified one). They're going to use Modern Warfare 3 one. A better optimized engine with new features.

when i changed my FOV in blackops it only made my gun fov higher, not the FIELD OF VIEW!

I'd love to that be fixed. It just changes viewmodel FOV.

I hope we get:

Spend an extra time developing for the PC on:
- Better Graphic (incl. proper DX11)
- FOV changer for all game modes (incl. Zombies)
- Extensive Graphical Option
- Dedicated Server (rank and non-rank)
- Public Dedicated Server files (so we can host and config our own ranked servers!)
- Mod tools / map creator tools (with steam workshop integration)

- They're going to add proper DirectX 11.
- I'd like to see that.
- I'd like to see that.
- I feel like that's going to happen
- Inb4 hacked servers
- I feel like that's going to happen

1. Better Anti-Cheat.
2. Skill based MP, not twich based.
3. Different Era (pre-1980 or post-2050)
4. No Kill Streaks (or options for servers to disable them)
5. Teammates that care more about winning the match, then their K/D.

1. Anti-Cheat they could use Punkbuster, though.
2. What?
3. For Multiplayer / Single Player?
4. Sounds cool, though. This was toggle-able on Modern Warfare 3, if i'm correct.
5. Treyarch can't manage this, lol.

[absol89]

we all know that PC is NOT the focus of the development. (anymore)

but i made a list (hopefully read) of what PC gamer want, as it being a game on PC.

Spend an extra time developing for the PC on:
-Graphic
-FOV changer
-Extensive Graphical Option
-Dedicated Server (rank and non-rank)

if all this are done, then we will have no problem buying black ops 2 on the PC. im sure everyother PC gamer would feel the same way.

-DX11, new texturing method and HDR lighting
-Blackops had FOV slider
-Blackops had console for settings
-unknown, but probable

[EliteTemptation]

Actually what we really want is


1) SDK - mods/maps
2) console - modifying SV/CL cvars
3) Balanced-well sized maps - because their mappers suck
4) Proper weapons - one gun fun
5) Dedicated servers - games in 1998 had this, lets remove it
6) leaning - it causes balances issues, idiots
7) Optimization - because we have multiple cores, apparently they have no brain


Everything else doesn't really matter, graphics don't matter the least bit, in fact I turn everything down to lowest in almost every fps just to get the visual advantage/fps boost

Having console will allow me to do any tweaking I need

SDK will allow pro-mod variants which fix a lot of balancing issues and make the game more proper to be played competitive/ also will allow maps

Balanced-well sized maps is something I haven't seen from a cod game in a while, honestly their mappers suck so ♥♥♥♥ing bad

dedicated servers, if not the game shouldn't even legally be sold on a computer

and leaning, nobody cares if they think it's not balanced; throw it in

[Dante*]

It's official that they're not going to use Black Ops Engine. (Which is a Modern Warfare 2 Modified one). They're going to use Modern Warfare 3 one. A better optimized engine with new features.



I'd love to that be fixed. It just changes viewmodel FOV.



- They're going to add proper DirectX 11.
- I'd like to see that.
- I'd like to see that.
- I feel like that's going to happen
- Inb4 hacked servers
- I feel like that's going to happen



1. Anti-Cheat they could use Punkbuster, though.
2. What?
3. For Multiplayer / Single Player?
4. Sounds cool, though. This was toggle-able on Modern Warfare 3, if i'm correct.
5. Treyarch can't manage this, lol.

They ARE using a modified Black Ops engine. In the recent PC Gamer interview, Mark Lamia - Studio Head for Treyarch - always talked about "their" engine - meaning Treyarch's engine.

Here is a snip of what Lamia said in relation to the question of whether or not BO 2 will support Elite:

Right now it’s not a technical limitation on our engine.

And again:

So there’s a ton of stats that we have already built into our engine. Our engine’s really well-integrated with all that stuff.

http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/05/02/hard-questions-black-ops-2-multiplayer-cheats-dedicated-servers-lan-support/

Treyarch have always used their own engine. Even when they took possesion of the COD4 engine from Infinity Ward, they made it their "own" by adding stuff the original engine didn't have. So, he would not refer to an engine from IW such as the MW3 engine as "their" engine.

[xyzzyplugh2]

Of course the slider won't bring it to some fish-eyed FOV on the likes of 120. The slider adjusts from 65 to 90 (which is the acceptable FOV for PC gaming since Quake).

The FOV only goes up to 80, not 90. And 90 was considered the standard FOV back when people had 4/3 CRT monitors. If you're using a wide screen monitor, FOV should be considerably higher.

[Morphis]

As for tools: modding tools are fine but I don't think this franchise's community is mature enough to make maps on their own.


Just for historical reference:

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"Former community member, rOger won the very first IW map contest with mp_stanjel back in 2003. This was made into mp_uo_stanjel for Grey Matter, and is part of the COD1 expansion pack United Offensive."

rOger is Roger Abrahamsson, who was hired by IW to work on COD 2 and every IW game since and he has moved with everyone to Respawn.

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Paulo88 is a more recent community mapper turned Dev employee: http://www.paulo88.co.uk/

Paul Mason-Firth can be seen here explaining the Escalation Map Pack: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwIPtJjjOTw

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Just a few examples of community members becoming proficeint using the Mod Tools(&Radiant) that are avaiable for COD, UO, 2, 4 & W@W to become Treyarch & IW employees.

Valve does the same thing, hiring community members who are highly skilled & proficient at using their mod tools they freely provide.

Mod Tools have helped these Devs find good employees but Activision has moved on to a different business model. ;)

[Dabigbom]

1. Better Anti-Cheat.
2. Skill based MP, not twich based.
3. Different Era (pre-1980 or post-2050)
4. No Kill Streaks (or options for servers to disable them)
5. Teammates that care more about winning the match, then their K/D.

1. Impossible with VAC

2. wat - surely you jest - every fast paced shooter out there requires twitch and fast reflexes to get the job done. Tactical games usually reside in the form of real military stuff like R6, Flashpoint, ArmA etc.

3. The MP setting is all about 2025, going back to 1980's would have been silly.

4. No one wants barebones, because barebones is stripping the game down to nothing more than just your average shooter.

5. You have a lot of faith in humanity.

[SamuelKPeter]

The FOV only goes up to 80, not 90. And 90 was considered the standard FOV back when people had 4/3 CRT monitors. If you're using a wide screen monitor, FOV should be considerably higher.

I do have a widescreen monitor. I use FOV 120 when playing Half-Life Deathmatch, but I don't get headaches or anything by playing Black Ops with "80" FOV anyway...

[RCoop]

I don't care much about graphics if the gameplay is alright. I don't expect BLOPS 2 to be a step up like COD 4 was compared to COD UO and COD 2. But everything after COD 4 was a failure in terms of graphics - silly models, silly running animation, clipping errors and so on.

Dedicated servers with public files.
If they're going to do it like BLOPS 1 (gameservers) then increase the number of players in multiplayer. 64 should be minimum.

Want less twitch reaction based gameplay? Then increase the size of the maps - some maps in BLOPS are ridiculously small (nuketown?). As a reference look at the old maps of COD UO (warehouse).

Wide field of view - optimised for 16:9 monitors, with adjustments for old formats.

Strafing - don't remove it like they did on Bad Company 2 - not sure about BF3 and not willing to find out. FPS no 1 controller is the MOUSE!

Lean/peek - leave it in. Some may cry is not needed - leave it in there and let us make the decision whether to use it or not. Don't tell people how to play!

No lag should occur due to connection to stats server etc... BLOPS is a failure in this respect.

Perks are interesting... BLOPS has a nice array - however some are silly. With BLOPS 2 based in the future - I wonder how silly they will get...

Better cheat protection. VAC is useless.

Ignore the PC and Call of Duty will die!

I don't even mind the pay increase if these issues are solved correctly. And I might get BLOPS 3 for PC next year too if the improvements are in the right direction.

If not, I will return to my trusty CoD 4... Still the best FPS. there are a few outstanding modded servers out there...

[McLightning]

when i changed my FOV in blackops it only made my gun fov higher, not the FIELD OF VIEW!

Which in theory, according to MW3 complaints, is all you need. As much as I would like a traditional FOV, I do feel inclined to call out the MW3 people here by saying that this does what they asked without giving the advantage.

[Monkeydrummer]

Bunny hops. Rocket jumping. Strafe jumping.



What? It's the future!

[deepeyes]

A longer campaign (single player) might help.

[silmvb07]

No dedis no buy, no mod tools no buy, Fov and fps limited like in mw2/3 no buy.

[Fangride]

Q: What PC gamer wants from Black Ops 2?

A: Innovation.

THIS. And maybe a well done game

[mx_]

Here is what every PC game needs (at least every FPS):


Unlocked developer console
Uncapped FPS by default
Console command to cap FPS
Console command to increase/decrease FOV
/Ranked/ dedicated servers
/Real/ mod tools
Free DLC
Radiant map editor/creator (CoD)

[Amy]

Why the heck all people complain about Black ops beeing laggy and buggy?

If it's laggy it's probably your connection, and the game is not buggy at all on my both computers.


I don't get it, it's not buggy and i just pre-ordered it.

[tixe]

I hope we get:

Spend an extra time developing for the PC on:
- Better Graphic (incl. proper DX11)
- FOV changer for all game modes (incl. Zombies)
- Extensive Graphical Option
- Dedicated Server (rank and non-rank)
- Public Dedicated Server files (so we can host and config our own ranked servers!)
- Mod tools / map creator tools (with steam workshop integration)

you won't get map creator, they want to sell map packs for 20euro to kids in DLCs :D

Seriously, that's a poor request for a new game like COD... That's just something that should have been in there from MW1 time. That's some basics that all games should have on PC with an AAA+ budget.

I want innovation, not playable game although it helps :p For 60euro I want much more than just working game.

[Dabigbom]

Seriously, that's a poor request for a new game like COD... That's just something that should have been in there from MW1 time. That's some basics that all games should have on PC with an AAA+ budget.

I want innovation, not playable game although it helps :p For 60euro I want much more than just working game.

OH YEAH I WANT INNOVATION FROM MAH VIDYA GAMES! It's not like there are more than plenty titles out there that innovate across all genres, but I sure do want a first person shooter to be innovative olol the last ones that tried that failed wooops oh well yo 3arc, hit me up wit 3 copies I jus' pre-ordered oh snap!

[Morphis]

I don't get it, it's not buggy and i just pre-ordered it.

I don't get the purpose of pre-ordering any downloadable software that has a limitless supply.

People don't pre-order any other downloadable software, games must have magic pixie dust on them.

I blame the SUPER MOON!!!

[mx_]

Why the heck all people complain about Black ops beeing laggy and buggy?

If it's laggy it's probably your connection, and the game is not buggy at all on my both computers.


I don't get it, it's not buggy and i just pre-ordered it.

How did you "just pre-order" a game that came out 2 years ago? I'm pretty sure we're talking about Black OPs here, not BO2.

Either way, you're wrong. BO is laggy. Buggy, dunno, haven't encountered any of that. I have a beast computer and the game still runs like crap in comparison to every other Call of Duty game, which I run perfectly fine. I can still easily run Black Ops maxed out, but the choppiness and the FPS lag are too much to care for.

Connection doesn't determine if your game will be choppy and lose FPS. It determines your ping, which in turn is the reason behind shooting someone and clearly be aiming at them but getting nothing. And dying around corners.

[Amy]

How did you "just pre-order" a game that came out 2 years ago? I'm pretty sure we're talking about Black OPs here, not BO2.

Either way, you're wrong. BO is laggy. Buggy, dunno, haven't encountered any of that. I have a beast computer and the game still runs like crap in comparison to every other Call of Duty game, which I run perfectly fine. I can still easily run Black Ops maxed out, but the choppiness and the FPS lag are too much to care for.

Connection doesn't determine if your game will be choppy and lose FPS. It determines your ping, which in turn is the reason behind shooting someone and clearly be aiming at them but getting nothing. And dying around corners.

Gosh, you didn't understood i was talking about a pre-order of Black Ops 2?

My message was about people complaining Black Ops 1 was buggy as hell which sometime say they don,t pre-order Black Ops 2 becuase their computer aren't enough powerful to run Black Ops 1 fine.

[Fangride]

I don't get the purpose of pre-ordering any downloadable software that has a limitless supply.

People don't pre-order any other downloadable software, games must have magic pixie dust on them.

I blame the SUPER MOON!!!

Yeah, right now, the only reason to pre-order things is to get those bonuses... of which this has none of.

[DodgeRainPop]

we all know that PC is NOT the focus of the development. (anymore)

but i made a list (hopefully read) of what PC gamer want, as it being a game on PC.

Spend an extra time developing for the PC on:
-Graphic
-FOV changer
-Extensive Graphical Option
-Dedicated Server (rank and non-rank)

if all this are done, then we will have no problem buying black ops 2 on the PC. im sure everyother PC gamer would feel the same way.

add more below if you have any particular ones i missed


Doesnt matter if your consoles or PC, COD is a generic shooter franchise that needs to innovate and have originality. It lacks that.

[XHummel]

1. Better Anti-Cheat.
2. Skill based MP, not twich based.
3. Different Era (pre-1980 or post-2050)
4. No Kill Streaks (or options for servers to disable them)
5. Teammates that care more about winning the match, then their K/D.

1. As far as i read from PC gamer they said that they are looking into making it better since cheating is an big issue so they want to fix it as good as they can, will just have to wait for the results.
2. Yea well most people atleast on PC do want this but i don't think it's going to happen, they want to keep it as an "easy access" game, so that the newbies can stand a chance and gain new players quickly.
3. Well im happy with they way it is now, but this is a matter of opinion so not going to bash you for it.
4. Yea well they might have options for the servers, but i think the streaks will be there, and i read on some site, can't remember the name, that they are looking for a brand new way of adding the killstreaks. Don't know what that means.
5. Well this can be fixed if you know a couple of guys or play in a team/clan and not with randoms. But if you don't have any friends playing then it might be a bit bad luck.