How to resurrect an ex-gamer?

[ripspinner]

During the days of Quake 3 I'd regularly spend 2-3 hours playing video games. I really enjoyed them, but after quake 3 I spent less and less time playing. I'd still buy new games, even buying Battle Field 3 recently, and I thought they where as good as any games ever made. It was not the game it was me. I found games started to become stressful rather than fun. I was discouraged by the troll talk scene of the younger generation gamers. Once a decent gamer, I started feeling like a noob again and didn't particularly like it. Today I can stand to play maybe a half hour session per week, but I keep telling myself I want to play more but never seem to quite convince myself to sit down and try to enjoy.

So I ask the steam community, how can I resurrect the feeling of fun, and competitive (good sport) spirit in this ex gamer. I searched for similar articles on the web for ideas but found next to nothing so after I get some feed back I may right an article based on this thread (source will be attributed).

[Resonanse]

Play single player games, or games that [on public servers] don't encourage over-aggression or focus on K/D. [TF2 for example]

From your very limited description it seems like you dislike the current paradigm within MP-orientated games and due to your lack of playing time cannot keep up with the norm.

That's fine, and there're whole genres of games that don't focus on that experience. Try something new. I'm sure you knew that already [I'm really not trying to be patronizing] you just don't give much information regarding your situation [what sort of games you play for example.]

[NightStrider]

During the days of Quake 3 I'd regularly spend 2-3 hours playing video games. I really enjoyed them, but after quake 3 I spent less and less time playing. I'd still buy new games, even buying Battle Field 3 recently, and I thought they where as good as any games ever made. It was not the game it was me. I found games started to become stressful rather than fun. I was discouraged by the troll talk scene of the younger generation gamers. Once a decent gamer, I started feeling like a noob again and didn't particularly like it. Today I can stand to play maybe a half hour session per week, but I keep telling myself I want to play more but never seem to quite convince myself to sit down and try to enjoy.

So I ask the steam community, how can I resurrect the feeling of fun, and competitive (good sport) spirit in this ex gamer. I searched for similar articles on the web for ideas but found next to nothing so after I get some feed back I may right an article based on this thread (source will be attributed).

It seems to me that the guy is just jaded with video games. It is a phase, and I have gone this many times. Although looking for a competitive game, I think that the guy should try some deeper games, like Deus Ex: Human Revolution.

For competitive games, you could also try rts games, like starcraft 2 and league of legends, which are both competitive but something different from standard fps.

[Montyleeny15]

During the days of Quake 3 I'd regularly spend 2-3 hours playing video games. I really enjoyed them, but after quake 3 I spent less and less time playing. I'd still buy new games, even buying Battle Field 3 recently, and I thought they where as good as any games ever made. It was not the game it was me. I found games started to become stressful rather than fun. I was discouraged by the troll talk scene of the younger generation gamers. Once a decent gamer, I started feeling like a noob again and didn't particularly like it. Today I can stand to play maybe a half hour session per week, but I keep telling myself I want to play more but never seem to quite convince myself to sit down and try to enjoy.

So I ask the steam community, how can I resurrect the feeling of fun, and competitive (good sport) spirit in this ex gamer. I searched for similar articles on the web for ideas but found next to nothing so after I get some feed back I may right an article based on this thread (source will be attributed).

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/services/scroll-of-resurrection/

Silly, I know! I just had to add the link! I think you should start with the small games first. Try some casual/indie games and then work your way up to the more demanding games like TF2, MW3, Skyrim etc.

[Resonanse]

For competitive games, you could also try rts games, like starcraft 2 and league of legends, which are both competitive but something different from standard fps.

I wouldn't recommend either of those games given the poster claims:

'I found games started to become stressful rather than fun. I was discouraged by the troll talk scene of the younger generation gamers.'

Both SC2 and LoL can be very much 'work' and are famous for their communities...and not because they're so welcoming to new players. Deus Ex could be a strong alternative game for them - something that utilizes the skills they have within the FPS genre but adds an additional layer of depth to the gameplay [and offers a decent story].

[Mais Genre !!2]

Yes, play Team Fortress 2, lot of fun for free, rather good community, classes offer different gameplay, if you are not competitive with the scout (hard to play), also try the engi (best map IMO : Gold Rush/Badwater).

You could try Day of Defeat : source, really good too.

Look at indie productions too, for solo games (Legend of Grimrock :))

[polka]

you cannot,
once its gone and you start becoming affected by the trollism out there then theres no going back.

i guess you grew up.

[MrPegiShixteen]

I'm in the same boat OP.

Play games for yourself now.

I don't play MP games as I absolutely hate the stupid foul-mouthed kiddie aggression and the nonsense mentality of the younger generations that can't spell so use this awful text-speak because they are too idle to even 'type' a couple of extra letters so we ALL can understand what the crap it is they are trying to say.

Your either in, or out and I am definately out, and OK with that.

This is the way generations move forward and I accept I am not part of this lazy modern aggressive culture. That's OK. So now I play games to take my mind off life and its stresses. But I am an old fart I admit.

Oh, I sometimes walk the dogs and then have a nap too... ;)

[ripspinner]

Thanks for the input everyone, when I play it's mostly the fps shooter games. I have tried several mmorpgs but for me at least they feel very linear and repetitive kill x monsters, or follow specific quests that aren't very dynamic. Yes jaded, I'm not sure it's a phase though. I sometimes want to force my self to play, like ok time to go to work now so I think I'll play. btw I'm 44 years old, and the person who described the scenario as growing up may be partially correct, though I don't think this is really an aspect of getting older, rather it's an attitude where responsibilities and other priorities take precedence to gaming so we drop out of the gaming world. One suggestion that no one brought it up but sadly isn't available to me where I live is attend LAN parties. Star Craft
requires a lot of thinking, but I may give it a shot. I just wish the multi player crowd would exercise the same thing they do in every other competitive sport (good sportsmanship). I think parents forget to tell their children that video games are like a sport in there competitive nature.

Again thinks for the replies, I hope to hear more feedback if anyone has some original ideas. (lol to the electric shock, and red bull).

[MrPegiShixteen]

You're 5 years shy of my age...

... it's coming...be prepared :D

[King Scuba]

go play tribes ascend.

[Russian_Sausage]

My suggestion is to play the old games that you like. The old games will give you the feel that you had when playing back then. Just play Quake3 again or try http://www.quakelive.com/ (Quake 3 in browser).
Another game I can suggest to you is "Killing Floor", the original Mod is from 2007, and it is really fun to play. Everytime I play I feel like back then. It is a good old game and it feels timeless.

[juanjavaloyes]

I'm almost 35, and I loved Quake 1 & 3 (open arena!).

The game I'm playing right now almost full time is Killing Floor, mostly because the community is awesome... 90% of the time you play with good people, in a nice cooperative way: people give you money for weapons, help each other, cover their backs an so on. I can recommend that game, is the best MP game I ever played (until now, I haven't played Day Z yet)

Other game I can recommend is L4D2. I know much people say the community is bad on that game, but I always had a nice experience.

[cryeR]

play true old games , not the new ones, they simply suck

UT2004
Quakelive
Battlefield 2 or 2142

from new games I can only recommend CSPromod (in Beta), DOD:S and Red Orchestra 2 (in Beta)

true story :(

[HemingwayLuv]

Hey man to answer your question I think you need a phoenix down!

[NoahS1]

My suggestion is to either start adding people who you think are cool to your friendlist and play with those people. Or join an active game community on steam page. Just pick it carefully.

Unfortunately time has changed and you can't really avoid trolls. They are everywhere, even some in this thread. They pretty much just don't give a crap about other people. And they will always be trolls, haven't heard of any reformed trolls.

[HornetOne85]

Yeah, the online community these days is more of an annoyance than fun.

So I stick to solo gameplay most of the time.

[Justin97927]

What about Counter-Strike? Perhaps that can help?

[HemingwayLuv]

Hey man you might enjoy Payday The Heist, it's multiplayer and only five dollars on Amazon right now, so you won't lose too much if you don't like it!

[Amber_Johnson]

Play this :
http://www.xonotic.org/

[CTRL ALT DEL !]

You will enjoy games again when you have children.. wooping their butts is so fun.

[DashAnimal]

I've found competitive games can be too frustrating because of their competitive nature and because of the community.

The only game I love at the moment, which has a sense of relaxation, skill, healthy community, and addictiveness is..

Left 4 Dead 2

Avoid the different modes like Versus, the community will frustrate you. But the campaign mode is super challenging, especially when you get to the skill-level of Expert Realism, and it's nice to play a "single-player" like game but share it with other people, have laughs, etc. And it isn't competitive; it RELIES on teamwork.

Not to mention it is a Valve game and highly polished.

I'll also second the Killing Floor recommendation. I don't play it much; I enjoy L4D2 more. But it is also about teamwork and not competitiveness.


Other than that, my favourite single-player game of all time is Grand Theft Auto IV. If your computer is a beast, play it and get immersed in the crazy life and times of Liberty City.

OH, and if you haven't played Portal 1 and 2, play those too I guess. Portal 2 also has co-op.

But other that that, if you don't enjoy gaming, don't try and force it :).

[LethallyYours]

I'm in the same boat OP.

Play games for yourself now.

I don't play MP games as I absolutely hate the stupid foul-mouthed kiddie aggression and the nonsense mentality of the younger generations that can't spell so use this awful text-speak because they are too idle to even 'type' a couple of extra letters so we ALL can understand what the crap it is they are trying to say.

Your either in, or out and I am definately out, and OK with that.

This is the way generations move forward and I accept I am not part of this lazy modern aggressive culture. That's OK. So now I play games to take my mind off life and its stresses. But I am an old fart I admit.

Oh, I sometimes walk the dogs and then have a nap too... ;)

Spelling of 'definitely ' still wrong. Irony.

[Stressthesky]

I'm going to throw my vote in and say Killing Floor as well. But start on beginner difficulty, you're meant to advance slowly in this game. Starting on normal on level 0 will get you killed. Awesome community and great to play with friends.

I even think I have a Killing Floor steamkey if you want it. And I can show you the ropes.

[hat]

Give Team Fortress 2 a try.

[Grimlar]

I tend to skip the out and out horror themed games, so I'd like to toss Borderlands in as the shooter I had most fun with in the last couple of years and of course the sequel is due later this year.

Having said that, whilst I played some of it single player, I played most of it co-op with some friends and the sense of humour of the game appealed to me too which helps.

If you do go down the single player route, Hard Reset may also be worth a look if you like the Bladerunner type setting. You may want to check the demo first though as the game is a little short, but there is an expansion coming out soon (hopefully this week) which should be free to people who already have the game.

Its the usual thing really, if you are feeling jaded with something, try to beat it either from your comfort zone, familiar games, friends, have a laugh and not take it so seriously, or you need to step out of the comfort zone and try new stuff until you either find something new thats worth playing, rediscover why you liked the old favourites in the first place or give up and take a break from gaming completely.

I personally find though that the worst thing I can do when I do feel jaded with something is keep pushing/playing it. Unless Im pretty close to completing something. in which case the sense of accomplishment can be worth the risk of burnout.

Theres lots of fairly cheap indie games if you do want to spread your wings and some of them are pretty good. Or perhaps try some older games that you may have missed the first time round, or give www.gog.com a go if you want to have a bash with some real golden oldies.

[bullexcrements]

I don't play MP games as I absolutely hate the stupid foul-mouthed kiddie aggression and the nonsense mentality of the younger generations that can't spell so use this awful text-speak because they are too idle to even 'type' a couple of extra letters so we ALL can understand what the crap it is they are trying to say.

Seriously? :P Do you really care what some kids say? I began to play CSGO recently and I must to say that I suck at it miserably. Sometimes I'm being called a noob, but who cares :P I play until I'm being kicked :D

The most important thing is - have fun! If you feel that you don't like MP fps games released nowadays, find something else. I started to play indie games some time ago and boy, are they fun as hell :)

[radicalnetwork]

Play coop games, they keep the fun of the multiplayer without the bad part of pvp! :)

[Drann]

Seriously? :P Do you really care what some kids say? I began to play CSGO recently and I must to say that I suck at it miserably. Sometimes I'm being called a noob, but who cares :P I play until I'm being kicked :D

The most important thing is - have fun! If you feel that you don't like MP fps games released nowadays, find something else. I started to play indie games some time ago and boy, are they fun as hell :)

I must admit, I'm of the same opinion as the guy you quoted. There's a massive problem with most of the more modern FPS games - and it isn't simply the fact some of them are the same game released each year for a premium.

To the OP: Try playing different genres. The gaming community has been in severe decline over the past few years, not that it was ever perfect. It was never quite as bad as it is now, at least. The sort of problem behaviour you describe is mostly prevalent in the FPS genre, closely followed by the myriad of DOTA clones.

There are a number of RTS titles out there with solid communities, the racing-sim community is another that's generally quite good. As far as FPS titles go, non-competitive are often better than their more mainstream cousins. The likes of Killing Floor (Although you still get the odd kiddy) and Payday as someone else mentioned are good places to start if you simply can't get away from FPS titles.

[Tito Shivan]

Being a 35 year old gamer i can understand part of.your issue. I grew tired of the MP scene years ago, stopped playing and focused on SP games...
A couple years ago i did give a try again at MP, with TF2... And i got myself back into gaming.

In the end, i found out it was not a matter of what i.did play, but with who i was playing.
I found a nice fun community and nowadays i often play just for the sake of joining up with the group and have a good time.
Growing older means having shorter patience. And that's why i don't touch some genres even with a tej foot pole. I'm too old to be screamed at the mic by a no-lifer 12 year old boy... So i save myself the hassle of that.

My advice, as others have said, is to find a group of.people you feel like playing with. That helps a lot.
And try either free games or games that you can enjoy alone if you end up disliking the community.

[ledow]

When I was younger, I had a lot of idle time to waste playing games and could try just about everything. We didn't really have Internet games, not until Quake was popular (yes, Doom etc. let you do it too but it was among the first games to, and that meant most didn't have the hardware necessary, and modems back then were atrocious). Churning for 8 hours in one session on a single-player game was nothing back then.

Now, my gaming time is precious. In between working a job and having a life, gaming's not so important so I have to extract the most value from the few hours I get to play. I do that by:

1) Buying cheap games and not buying anything I can't test first (no time to waste on junk, or money to waste on expensive games that will only last an hour). My "limit" is £1 per hour of entertainment, with only literally one or two huge potential titles (e.g. HL3) liable to go over that. Anything more and I've wasted the money. That's not such a bad thing, because I have a lot more disposable income now than I had when I was a kid, but still something to avoid happening en-masse. This also includes not suffering poor games but accepting them as a loss and moving on.

2) Surrounding my online play with well-behaved communities. This is done by several methods: Running my own servers so I can get rid of anyone who's interfering with my enjoyment of the game, playing with real-life friends, frequenting well-admined servers, turning off voice chat and ignoring/voting/kicking EVERYONE who is not there to play the game. If I only get a couple of hours to play a game, then I damn well don't want to spend them arguing, fighting, admining or just plain getting frustrated with idiots. I play more Altitude with my girlfriend on our own server (which is immensely popular, I have to say) than anything else - and it's basically there only so we don't have to fight to get into servers together, or fight against idiots who just want to mess around.

3) Playing single-player and offline games a lot. They aren't as rare as you think, especially with the indie titles nowadays, and I grew up in an "offline" gaming world anyway.

4) Playing old favourite games. Despite having them all on disk somewhere, I've bought lots of old games on Steam and GoG.com so I spend as little time as possible with installation, setup, compatibility, etc. when I want to play them. Every minute wasted installing a game is time I could have used to a) relax and play and forget about having to do technical support on computers like I do in my job, b) do something else more productive.

But, if I'm honest, if you've lost your enthusiasm for gaming, chances are that you've already tried to play and just can't recapture it. That's something that I would mark up as "getting older" and leave it at that, if that's the case.

My enthusiasm for games never really left, it just shifted to different games and even writing my own. To me, "getting older" just puts more time/money constraints, and more pressure on what you're prepared to allocate to gaming as opposed to anything else.

[CaractacusRex]

Go for the Half Life series or Portal. In terms of FPS (Or FPP in terms of Portal) they are the best out there and supremely fun.

If you want to try a completely different but addictive game, Arkham Asylum/City is just brilliant fun.

[bullexcrements]

I must admit, I'm of the same opinion as the guy you quoted. There's a massive problem with most of the more modern FPS games - and it isn't simply the fact some of them are the same game released each year for a premium.

Last 'modern' fps game, that I've played was CoD4 and well, the game itself was boring as hell, so it bit the dust for me pretty quickly.

But I know that there are lots of kids playing all newer fps games. That's why they are created in certain way, to make the biggest, most frustrated nerds feel like gods :P I see 2 ways of dealing with this problem: 1) Stop playing, 2) Ignore :P

I choose 2nd option. Why would I be bothered about some small, stupid prepubescent kid vomiting his frustrations at the chat? When I play, I play for fun, if they don't like it, just kick me, I don't have the problem with this :P

EDIT:
I'm too old to be screamed at the mic by a no-lifer 12 year old boy... So i save myself the hassle of that.

Mute him -> problem solved :P

[Tito Shivan]

Mute him -> problem solved :P
I already do that :P
But when you have to start muting people over and over it's usually a sign of worse community issues. So i save myself the hassle and move along to other game/community.

[plastic_teacup]

btw I'm 44 years old, and the person who described the scenario as growing up may be partially correct, though I don't think this is really an aspect of getting older, rather it's an attitude where responsibilities and other priorities take precedence to gaming so we drop out of the gaming world.

Again thinks for the replies, I hope to hear more feedback if anyone has some original ideas. (lol to the electric shock, and red bull).

Hi there, I'm also an 'older' gamer married to another gamer. I know exactly how you feel... ten years ago my spouse (whom I was just dating at that time) and I could easily play games for long hours into the night, and somehow still manage to hold down full time jobs/school!

Nowadays though, we still play games just not every day and certainly not for hours on end without breaks. I think that like you've stated, other things in life become far more important and your enthusiasm wanes when you always think things like, "Man the grass outside is getting long! I really need to shut this compie off and get out there to mow!" ;)

I know the entire reason my spouse and I still game is that we've managed to buddy up with some other older married couples online that we regularly play games with. Luckily for the most part our friends are willing to play a variety of game genres from MMOs to co-op shooters and so we spend a couple nights a week playing with them. The social factor is a huge aspect for us, so I would highly suggest that you locate an online gaming guild/clan/community to join and start making friends in.

[MADDOGGE]

Sounds like you are just burned out OP. It happens. For me, the mid 90's to ~2005 are my favorite times for games. About 2-3 years ago I went from from playing 3-10 hours a day to now an hour or 2 a week maybe. The games don't pull me in any more like they used to. The games anymore lack so much that I feel I need to really enjoy them. No exploring, no health packs, limits on weapon slots, no choice in how I save, no graphics options to speak of , no proper mouse controls. When I can get in the mood now days with rare exception, I tend anymore to play the oldies that were made the way I like my games. There is still a rare new game that I really like but even then I'm not going to play non stop for hours like I used to.

[Friendliest]

During the days of Quake 3 I'd regularly spend 2-3 hours playing video games. I really enjoyed them, but after quake 3 I spent less and less time playing. I'd still buy new games, even buying Battle Field 3 recently, and I thought they where as good as any games ever made. It was not the game it was me. I found games started to become stressful rather than fun. I was discouraged by the troll talk scene of the younger generation gamers. Once a decent gamer, I started feeling like a noob again and didn't particularly like it. Today I can stand to play maybe a half hour session per week, but I keep telling myself I want to play more but never seem to quite convince myself to sit down and try to enjoy.

So I ask the steam community, how can I resurrect the feeling of fun, and competitive (good sport) spirit in this ex gamer. I searched for similar articles on the web for ideas but found next to nothing so after I get some feed back I may right an article based on this thread (source will be attributed).

don't forget the "people are poor sports and don't want to keep the teams fair" :rolleyes:

Q3A was a true masterpiece, and a once in a lifetime thing. we'll never see another one like it. "perfect storm" and all that.. I definitely went thru (am still going thru) the post Q3A "all games suck now" phase.

Bought BF3 also. It's pretty impressive.

what other kind of games do you like? I'll try to give better advice if u can answer that.


But, even at this point, I can give a couple points:

#1 maybe it's the simple act of "parking in the computer chair and fiddling about with keyboard/mouse" that you are averse to, and it might not matter what game we are talking about. your mind/body just feels like doing something else, so .. let it? that's not necessarily a bad thing.

#2 co-op games are all the rage these days. cooperation is a nice change of pace from cutthroat. PAYDAY and Left 4 Dead/2 are both good co-op games for shooter fans.

#3 get back into an old favorite. Q3A still fun against the bots, even! just blow some stuff up! :)

there was a #4 but I forgot... :/



An earlier poster said TF2, and I will testify: TF2 definitely has that stuff-blowing-up-into-bloody-chunks goodness of quake. it's one of the few games keeping that alive, TBH. there is definitely that trash talk and stacking factor going on at times, but still a pretty fun game. free, too. can't rly go wrong there.

btw Q3A scene is pretty dead last I checked but older quakes have been modded to heck and back since they went open source. there is generally a lot of relatively active, and cool community there. many are old school who just want to take the good old days and improve them. Q3A may even have such modding going on at this point too, now that it is open source.

oh well GL HF I'll check back in later.

[Europhoria]

Perhaps some radiation from the Fukushima nuclear power plant might do the trick. :D

I do tend to stick to single player games these days. The only multiplayer game that I play somewhat regularly is Left 4 Dead 2 simply because I have a group of friends that I can enjoy the game with.

[bluz74]

One word: Orange Box

[Europhoria]

One word: Orange Box

What? Does he require extra vitamin C? :confused:

[schnitzeljaeger]

Zen Bound 2 ;)

[Resonanse]

The games anymore lack so much that I feel I need to really enjoy them. No exploring, no health packs, limits on weapon slots, no choice in how I save, no graphics options to speak of , no proper mouse controls.

Sounds like you're just playing the wrong games to be honest; there're plenty of recent games that meet those criteria [beyond the 'limits on weapon slots', and that's a good design decision if you're not making a shoot-em-up.]

[Dr.Boo.j2]

Play a single player game with a good, immersive plot. It might really "suck you in" the story and make you come back agian and again.
This might be a spark :)
I would recommend Half-Life 2, C&C Games, Starcraft 2 or a good RPG.
I remember I had a short priod where no game would amuse me any more. I was really overstressed from work and I wasn't even excited at Red Alert 3's imminent release.

I started playing... Paper Mario 2 and it was so fun and immersive (I know, stupid for an adult but ehhh gimme a break) that I totally came back at the gaming scene.

[Draek]

You quit your day job and start playing as obsessively as you did when you were younger; soon you'll find yourself on the other side of the "n00b"/"pr0" divide, and you'll see the endless, childish insults as "justified complaining" rather than being offended by them.

Yes, there's many games out there with friendlier communities, but if you want to feel as you did back when you played Quake 3 Arena that's the only way; other than having it through mics rather than the chat box, the Q3A community wasn't too different from that playing CoD:MW and BF3 today, so clearly if you didn't notice it it was because you weren't among those being targeted.

[xMaggostx]

EDIT: wrong thread lol

[MADDOGGE]

Sounds like you're just playing the wrong games to be honest; there're plenty of recent games that meet those criteria [beyond the 'limits on weapon slots', and that's a good design decision if you're not making a shoot-em-up.]

Give me a good long list of recent TPS/FPS games, SP games specifically that do not suffer from regen health, checkpoint only saving, very liner maps that discourage exploring, no FoV adjustment, constantly loading maps, limited aspect ratio and resolution adjustments, no way to turn off mouse smoothing and acceleration.

[Tito Shivan]

Give me a good long list of recent TPS/FPS games, SP games specifically that do not suffer from regen health, checkpoint only saving, very liner maps that discourage exploring, no FoV adjustment, constantly loading maps, limited aspect ratio and resolution adjustments, no way to turn off mouse smoothing and acceleration.
That's a though requirement list for modern day gaming...Sadly.
It's going to be tough to pull a long list, specially of new games.
I do dislike those qualities in a game. I'm afraid we are bound to old school gaming.

I'd suggest DE:HR. A lenghty game for today's standars. Non checkpoint based saving, and although with a linear argument, it runs enough sidequests to keep one entertained for some time.
One of the few SP games that have pleased me recently (Along Portal2)

[MADDOGGE]

That's a though requirement list for modern day gaming...Sadly.
It's going to be tough to pull a long list, specially of new games.
I do dislike those qualities in a game. I'm afraid we are bound to old school gaming.

I'd suggest DE:HR. A lenghty game for today's standars. Non checkpoint based saving, and although with a linear argument, it runs enough sidequests to keep one entertained for some time.
One of the few SP games that have pleased me recently (Along Portal2)Oh, there are few that still buck the trend. I loved the Bio-shock series and DX:HR. I just hope BS:Infinite doesn't sell us out. SS3 is true to it's heritage as an old school run and gun shooter.

[TangleFoot]

An arcane ritual involving a broken Wiimote and a dessicated hamster.
Caffeine & sugar.
Peggle!

On a more serious note, try Aquaria (http://store.steampowered.com/app/24420) and Psychonauts (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWa1eiHPhKw). :)

[Tito Shivan]

Oh, there are few that still buck the trend. I loved the Bio-shock series and DX:HR. I just hope BS:Infinite doesn't sell us out. SS3 is true to it's heritage as an old school run and gun shooter.
We share hopes in BS:Infinite ;)
And the SS saga is great fun in LAN parties.