Why do comp Soldiers all use the Original?

[Cuttlefishes]

/title.
Why? :eek:

[speedygeek]

Not all of them do?

[Cuttlefishes]

Not all of them do?

Most of them.

[Rg Toad]

Not in the US or EU.

[Ni-Pur]

Some find it easier to aim since the rockets come out of the middle.

[Rynjin]

Pretty sure most of them don't since a lot of leagues ban it.

[snarkyBroad]

I've seen more bad Soldiers use it than good ones.

[Not_Matlock]

Pretty sure most of them don't since a lot of leagues ban it.

Most Leagues in NA allow it.

I've seen more bad Soldiers use it than good ones.

Good Soldiers have been using the default Rocket Launcher for years and have difficulty adjusting to the way the Original functions. It's easier just to stick with what they're comfortable with rather than try to learn something new.

Most competitive Soldiers use the Original because the rockets come out of the center, so at close range you don't have to compensate for the right side bias. It makes aiming more consistent.
It also makes rocket jumping from either side much easier. It takes a while to get used to it, because you have to turn a little more when jumping from your right side, but it also means that you don't need to turn nearly as much as you had to with the default to jump from your left side.

[Falco Punch]

I see a lot more soldiers use the default in MGE.

[Heisterburg]

It's easier to learn imo. Nothing fundamentally better about either.

[micgao]

Pretty sure most of them don't since a lot of leagues ban it.

I don't think a single league bans it. Not even ETF2L which bans everything except medlocks.

As for the original question... Most comp soldiers use the rocket laucher.

[Davidftw]

I don't think a single league bans it. Not even ETF2L which bans everything except medlocks.

As for the original question... Most comp soldiers use the rocket laucher.

This. Most comp players tend to be longer players of TF2, so they learned with the rocket launcher... Some have switched or started with the original, for whatever reason.
It doesn't really matter.

[Smithsonian]

You'll find some really good players using it every now and then, and oftentimes those are just ex competitive quake players who feel more at home with rockets coming out of the middle. But most of the time people who have been playing tf2 for multiple years will use the default launcher, simply because it's what they're used to

[UGC | Moose]

The Original is popular with the guys who played Quake before TF2 - you'll find that most upper-level Soldiers are equally good with both RL's, it's all just preference.

[bob+M|M+]

I prefer the default because it's what I grew up on and what I've used for 5-6 years, but there are pros to using either one.

Original is better for aiming. The default is advantageous with right corners since you can prefire earlier/with more safety, and disadvantageous with left corners. Default rocket launcher is better for jumping horizontally.

[Dubious George]

As moose said, the Original is quite popular with Quakers and people who just prefer a centered rocket. It does make aiming on ground more straightforward, and rocket jumping requires a bit more movement/is symmetrical from left/right.

The default however has an offset that people often say is great for peeking corners, but really the difference is the asymmetrical jump placement and the midair offset you've got to factor in.

In aus probably 70% of people use the default though, it's just how it is. Really it's just where the rocket comes from, the rocket itself is the same.

[Woooooop]

the stock rocket launcher is still more widely used than the original in comp TF2. it's purely preference and/or whatever the player is already accustomed to.

Pretty sure most of them don't since a lot of leagues ban it.

there are no leagues that ban original

[PoIson895]

Most of them.

Nope, actually, the majority of the soldiers I know just use default... I myself use default, I find that I jump more aggressively with it.

[pt510]

you can shoot around corners with default without even peeking.

[steelfirez]

A long time ago I asked a few invite soldiers this question. Basically
Pros:
Slightly softer fire sound
Doesn't like peeking to be map dependent
Easier to fire rockets through some spots

[Cuttlefishes]

A long time ago I asked a few invite soldiers this question. Basically
Pros:
Slightly softer fire sound
Doesn't like peeking to be map dependent
Easier to fire rockets through some spots

I like the fire sound, that's true. It's a lot nicer to the ear.

[FuRy213]

and oftentimes those are just ex competitive quake players who feel more at home with rockets coming out of the middle.

tlr =]

[hireath]

they're almost exactly the same, therefore you can use whatever you feel like...

the only tiny difference is default RL maybe requires a little less effort to make standard jump, where the original requires less effort to make the non-standard jumps.

[mustardoverlord]

I've been playing competitive tf2 for years, I never played quake, and I use the original. It just "feels" right to me. To each his own.

[tha_rapture]

man i wish they would release a strange original.

[Rynjin]

there are no leagues that ban original

*cough*Bull♥♥♥♥*cough* (http://etf2l.org/rules/league-rules/)

2.2 Weapons

2.2.1 Allowed Weapons: Standard weapons, Blutsauger, Kritzkrieg, Übersaw and Crusader’s Crossbow

All of the standard weapons are allowed to be used.
Allowed unlocks: Blutsauger, Kritzkrieg, Übersaw and Crusader’s Crossbow
All other non-stock weapons are banned.


Also. (http://tf2.wireplay.co.uk/index.php?pg=rules)

[trogdc]

If you're going to bother reading the rules, actually read them.

2.2.3 Weapon Reskins allowed

Almost all weapon reskins (Lugermorph, Holy Mackerel, Original, Frying Pan, Iron Curtain, Golden Wrench, Big Kill, Enthusiast’s Timepiece) are allowed.

The Horseless Headless Horsemann’s Headtaker is not allowed.

[Rynjin]

If you're going to bother reading the rules, actually read them.

Hm.

Last time I read the rules it specifically stated "All other non-stock weapons are banned, including the Original."

But that was around March.

Guess they changed it.

[mustardoverlord]

it's banned at i46 if I recall correctly

[CaptainSurprise]

Hm.

Last time I read the rules it specifically stated "All other non-stock weapons are banned, including the Original."

But that was around March.

Guess they changed it.

That was due to a bug with it concerning spies or something. Why's it banned at i46? :confused:

[Not_Matlock]

i46 is European as far as I know, and the Euro leagues usually just ban everything that are't the original Medic unlocks.

But I don't know enough of the specifics about i46, so I'm not sure if they have other rules concerning unlocks.

[Aqwertybqwerty]

I think the crossbow is also allowed.

[CaptainSurprise]

i46 is European as far as I know, and the Euro leagues usually just ban everything that are't the original Medic unlocks.

But I don't know enough of the specifics about i46, so I'm not sure if they have other rules concerning unlocks.

Yes, i46 will be based in europe, but ETF2L allows reskins and the Original is listed under reskins in the rules.

[trogdc]

i46 isn't run by ETF2L but i highly doubt they'll ban the original.

[trogdc]

Allowed Weapons: Standard weapons, Blutsauger, Kritzkrieg, Übersaw and Crusader’s Crossbow
Hats and misc items are allowed. Unique and unusual hats are also allowed. The Bombinomicon is banned.
Almost all weapon reskins (Lugermorph, Holy Mackerel, Frying Pan, Iron Curtain, Golden Wrench, Big Kill, Enthusiast’s Timepiece) are allowed. The Horseless Headless Horsemann’s Headtaker is not allowed.
All other unlocks are not allowed including the Original – Unless you both agree at the start of that match on one or multiple unlocks you are both happy playing with then they are allowed for that game only. If a team is caught using a disallowed unlock then the round will automatically be given to the opposite team. Admins reserve the right to give further punishment should they feel it is required.

those... those savages...

[trogdc]

Also freight is in the rotation.

http://iseries.multiplay.co.uk/i46/tournaments/event/team-fortress-2/rules/

[Cuttlefishes]

I think the crossbow is also allowed.
So, it is! Yay.

Also freight is in the rotation.

http://iseries.multiplay.co.uk/i46/tournaments/event/team-fortress-2/rules/
What's wrong with Freight?

[CrashSite]

So, it is! Yay.


What's wrong with Freight?

Pushing last and second.

[Craylash]

Its nice not to have that right side blind spot I suppose.

[CrashSite]

Its nice not to have that right side blind spot I suppose.

If the other team are ♥♥♥♥♥ they will run this at you:

Heavy/Medic - right side

Pyro - on rail look at main

Demo - stickies on main

Sniper - boxes



Solly - If needing uber if not:

Engie: Sentry behind point.


Have fun trying to push, since you have to pop early, can't snipe anyone, get denied from every angle, point is too small for a spy and jumpers are obvious and are going to die to heavy.

[Rynjin]

What's wrong with Freight?

Train is MVP.

[mustardoverlord]

freight has by far the hardest to push last point in tf2, and that includes snakewater, gullywash, warmfront, mainline, obscure and yukon

[Cuttlefishes]

freight has by far the hardest to push last point in tf2, and that includes snakewater, gullywash, warmfront, mainline, obscure and yukon

I know - that's why I like it! Pushing last shouldn't be ez.

[mustardoverlord]

it also shouldnt be impossible even with full uber advantage

[Cuttlefishes]

it also shouldnt be impossible even with full uber advantage

It's not impossible

[Rynjin]

It's not impossible

It's just very difficult.

But that's okay because I like trains. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHkKJfcBXcw)

[Hypnos RPM]

It's not impossible

Its not quite impossible, but it does bear a significant resemblance to a WW1 charge across no mans land. You just don't tend to win against competent Freight defences unless you're either several divisions above them in DM skill or sheer dumb luck comes to your rescue.