Quick-Scoping

[Shlomo]

Is it a problem on PC or is it just consoles? If so, is there a way to eliminate it?

[thotaz]

From what I understand xbox and ps3 players whine about it because it abuses the aim assist function so it shouldn't be a problem on pc since there is no aim assist. However I have seen some people whine about it on pc, personally I don't think quickscoping is a problem, I have tried it myself in private matches and I suck at it so obviously there must be some skill to it compared to just shooting a gun normally where I usually end at the top of the scoreboard.

The only bad thing about quickscoping is all the kids trying to quickscope when they are on your team, getting 1 kill and 30 deaths and making it hard for your team to win.

[Shlomo]

yeah...It's just a lil frustrating when I'm neck and neck with someone only to see their final kill-cam bring up a black screen, firing, and hitting someone...

[License]

yeah...It's just a lil frustrating when I'm neck and neck with someone only to see their final kill-cam bring up a black screen, firing, and hitting someone...

It's just a lil frustrating when I'm across the map with someone only to see their final kill-cam hip-firing (name SMG or AR here) and killing someone...

Both ways are stupid IMO. Gun balance has always been down the drain ever since after the first CoD game. Sniper rifles in black ops are garbage anyways compared to any assault rifle, even at sniper distance. Lack of recoil / too much long range damage comes to mind as reasons why. I rarely see snipers used anyways unless its in some dumb sniper only server and people don't actually snipe there.

[shadedemonic]

personally leave it in if you can do it great if you cant o well and i dont care about quick scoping what i love is hard scoping for headshots and on the ps3 before i had my gaming computer i loved how people called me a noob for not quick scoping when i killed them well how am i a noob if there dieing and losing to me when i hard scope HA HA HA

Hardscoping is not noobish and Quickscoping is not noobish neather is camping all that matters is having fun and playing the way you want to play and no one can take that away from you

a noob is a hacker/cheater that have no skill and no life and like to destroy games for people becasue they have nothing better to do and i think they should start fineing people who hack in games because it wrecks the game and costs the companys $ and wrecks the games for other players

[Assassin1471]

Take the damn thing out. Some people seriously need to learn how to use a "Sniper" rifle.

A sniper does not run around the map like a headless chicken shooting his rifle at people 1 meter in front of them.

[LittleFo0t]

Take the damn thing out. Some people seriously need to learn how to use a "Sniper" rifle.

A sniper does not run around the map like a headless chicken shooting his rifle at people 1 meter in front of them.

Honestly, on almost all maps, snipers are at a disadvantage. The speed of player movement, along with the size of the maps, it makes sniping quite unfavorable, especially when playing against decent opponents.

Snipers could use a faster quick scope and quick switch, although there should be movement penalties. Firing while falling should be completely inaccurate and firing while walking should also be inaccurate, though not so much.

This removes the ability to 'run and gun' per se, but allows you to fire quicker and move to cover quickly after firing.

This approach, IMO, is more balanced and more appropriate for a sniper, although not completely balanced. There would have to be some changes with rifle accuracy, and bullet penetration for a more complete balance.

to OP: Apparently, it's a huge problem on console because of aim assist. It's never been a problem on PC and actually, quick scoping in CoD isn't really that quick at all. It's quite slow compared to other games.

[breakd0wn]

I'm pretty happy with how it worked in Black Ops (or CoD4/WaW for that matter). Disallowing the ability to fire as soon as you aim down the scope would make the sniper rifles way too cumbersome to use on these maps. The problem with MW2/3 is that they made it too easy, there's nothing wrong with "quickscoping" in itself.

[License]

With the bad hit detection in this game, sniping is really the least thing you should be worrying about.

Assault rifles win when it comes to long distance sniping battles to begin with. AR's aren't affected by the body part you shoot at, they don't sway, you can still hipfire them pretty accurately, you can suppress it and it will still be good, they have little recoil so you can spray it across a map and get a kill.

All things a sniper can't do.

I don't see why a sniper should be inaccurate when falling or walking since AR's don't get the same treatment.

Why should a sniper not be 100% accurate when any AR or SMG sighted in is always 100% accurate? Isn't that what a sniper is designed for?

[totalitaer]

Why should a sniper not be 100% accurate when any AR or SMG sighted in is always 100% accurate? Isn't that what a sniper is designed for?

Agreed, this just plain dumb. Just making quickdraw/SoHP work only on non-scoped weapons like in Black Ops would be totally fine.

[License]

Agreed, this just plain dumb. Just making quickdraw/SoHP work only on non-scoped weapons like in Black Ops would be totally fine.

Full auto AR's and SMG's are already overpowered as is though, so I don't see where it makes sense to make it not work on an already crappy weapon.

[RoyalPredator]

On PC, these "Quick Scope Pros" (means: Wannabe pro lowlife scumbags) using cheats.
The most common one is the "QS Script", it helps a lot.

I hate these kids and clans (FaZe, OpTiC, KrOss).
They QS, cheat a lot (Confirmed many times), die a lot, but they mix videos very well.
They have 17-17 stat in average, but they make these videos looks like they finish like 40-5.
Pathetic, if you ask me.

[ScavHD]

On PC, these "Quick Scope Pros" (means: Wannabe pro lowlife scumbags) using cheats.
The most common one is the "QS Script", it helps a lot.

I hate these kids and clans (FaZe, OpTiC, KrOss).
They QS, cheat a lot (Confirmed many times), die a lot, but they mix videos very well.
They have 17-17 stat in average, but they make these videos looks like they finish like 40-5.
Pathetic, if you ask me.

They don't hack,they are console players and have built in aim assist and what not but who gives a F they are consololololos.

PC quickscoping is not a problem if its like Black Ops/Cod4/Waw,it actually took some skill than the mw2 and mw3 versions did.

[Hamguy]

It's just a lil frustrating when I'm across the map with someone only to see their final kill-cam hip-firing (name SMG or AR here) and killing someone...

Both ways are stupid IMO. Gun balance has always been down the drain ever since after the first CoD game. Sniper rifles in black ops are garbage anyways compared to any assault rifle, even at sniper distance. Lack of recoil / too much long range damage comes to mind as reasons why. I rarely see snipers used anyways unless its in some dumb sniper only server and people don't actually snipe there.

maby you should try it instead of whining. there is a reason why people quickscope. its fun and challenging. that's the entire point of the game. to be fun... ITS A GAME. i used to quickscope all the time and i would get top score. i never felt there was any aim assist. if anything that would ruin your shot. to practice quickscoping if you are on console, set your controller speed to 2 or 3. you want to be slow and work on your accuracy first. then you can speed up.

[SamuelKPeter]

Quickscoping didn't exist in Black Ops at all and Vonderhaar has already shown his dislike on quickscoping, so I wouldn't hold my breath. I don't see the usefulness of quickscoping though, it misses the sniper rifle's point and it's not like there aren't sniping spots in Black Ops maps. Hell, even Nuketown has them. When I play using sniper rifles I don't feel like they're unaccurate though.

[License]

maby you should try it instead of whining. there is a reason why people quickscope. its fun and challenging. that's the entire point of the game. to be fun... ITS A GAME. i used to quickscope all the time and i would get top score. i never felt there was any aim assist. if anything that would ruin your shot. to practice quickscoping if you are on console, set your controller speed to 2 or 3. you want to be slow and work on your accuracy first. then you can speed up.

So you quote the guy that actually stated that snipers actually put you at a disadvantage and not the ones who are actually "whining" about it above.

Misquote much?

Also, "quickscoping" is not challenging, its just a console terminology for people that are bad at the game.

[LittleFo0t]

I don't see why a sniper should be inaccurate when falling or walking since AR's don't get the same treatment.

Why should a sniper not be 100% accurate when any AR or SMG sighted in is always 100% accurate? Isn't that what a sniper is designed for?


This approach, IMO, is more balanced and more appropriate for a sniper, although not completely balanced. There would have to be some changes with rifle accuracy, and bullet penetration for a more complete balance.


You're right. If AR and SMG mechanics were unchanged, there would still be an imbalance.

A few things that should change:


AR and SMG fire should not be 100% accurate while sighted (assuming they are; I'm not sure). If they aren't 100%, they are pretty damn close and should be a lot less accurate, especially over long distances.

Hip fire should be less accurate, overall. (SMG should be more accurate than AR, though)

Movement penalties. Same as mentioned above about the snipers.

[Thewhatify]

Keep quickscoping in game if they're not going to change explosives damage. I like to noob tube and the only to make quickscopers mad is to tube. they like making us mad by doing it so tube all the way.

[License]

Keep quickscoping in game if they're not going to change explosives damage. I like to noob tube and the only to make quickscopers mad is to tube. they like making us mad by doing it so tube all the way.

Black Ops has flak jacket, which is awesome for this. A way to actually not die by randomly thrown grenades and claymores.

[LittleFo0t]

Keep quickscoping in game if they're not going to change explosives damage. I like to noob tube and the only to make quickscopers mad is to tube. they like making us mad by doing it so tube all the way.

Are you playing on PC?

[joshafool]

Quick-scoping was perfect in Black Ops. It wasn't something you could just do, you had to Master it to be any good.

If you are like me, you changed your class to a Sniper as a handicap to make the game more challenging.

It's not hard to be on top of the scoreboard running Assault rifles or SMG classes.

[Dirt_Nasty]

I though that Treyarch wasn't going to include Quick Scoping in BO2 but I was just in a Nuketown 2025 Hardpoint game and there was definitely one in there. This guy had about 78 kills. I kept getting killed when I could see no one and this guy would be shooting me from half-way across the map. For instance, I ran into one of the houses and was shot by this guy who was in the corner of the back yard. He was able to see me run into view of the door, pull up the rifle and shot me all in the blink of an eye. Now it is possible he was cheating...but it sure looked like the old QS from MW3. If I keep seeing this I will be very disaapointed.

[Biologica]

I though that Treyarch wasn't going to include Quick Scoping in BO2 but I was just in a Nuketown 2025 Hardpoint game and there was definitely one in there. This guy had about 78 kills. I kept getting killed when I could see no one and this guy would be shooting me from half-way across the map. For instance, I ran into one of the houses and was shot by this guy who was in the corner of the back yard. He was able to see me run into view of the door, pull up the rifle and shot me all in the blink of an eye. Now it is possible he was cheating...but it sure looked like the old QS from MW3. If I keep seeing this I will be very disaapointed.

Why didn't you just report him? Maybe he was cheating.

[glock.out]

maybe if they got rid of the lolezmode cross hairs when out of scope and made it so the rifle is only accurate when standing still quick scoping would be respected again.

This isn't CS though. Too bad.

[b@man]

There is no place for snipers in these games and maps at all. Take them out of the game, or make it a 3 second raise time, which is about right anyway. If you want a sniper game, it should be HUGE maps about 4 square miles in jungle.