The post that Yahtzee was referring to

[Lilgreenman]

For anyone who's looking.

TBH, you're not a long time PC gamer if you can't edit a config file nor if you believe that the 'dawn of the 3d gaming era' used menus to change settings - so please change that to reflect the truth :)

The game uses the unreal 3 engine, most of the things in your list (FOV, Vsync and so on) can be changed by editing the config file for the game.

Many of other things really aren't serious are they? This is no graphic and cpu hungry title at all. With the best will in the world, if you don't have a computer that can play this title smoothly on the defaults, you must have a computer from the dawn of 3d gaming :)

PC gamers need a gaming PC. Not a triple-SLI, nitrogen cooled, plutonium powered Pineapple systems 74, but at the least a reasonably fast dual core and reasonable fast graphics card.

The game runs fine without needing lowered resolutions and so on on the recommended hardware. There's a bit of level loading and exit / entry doors to each puzzle, but it's nothing gameplay breaking (and it's far less significant than Portal 2's constant level loading interruptions)

That's all this game needs. But, with the best will in the world, if your computer cannot play this title, I cannot see how you can be a PC gamer? I can't imagine what games you can be playing.

As for the fov and vsync and so on, google should help you find details of changing UT3 config settings - generally speaking the defaults are in E:\Steam\steamapps\common\Quantum Conundrum\Engine\Config (where E: is the drive you have steam installed on) although UT3 games install configs in C:\Users\blah\Documents\My Games\UnrealEngine3 too, where blah is your user account - that said, there are a few of them detailed already in other threads in this forum, perhaps others will appear.

needaxeo's rebuttal:

I didn't say to anyone to buy a new PC.

I said a PC gamer must have a gaming PC. Just like a 360 gamer must have a 360. It's the minimum requirement for entry to the club :) But if someone bought a 360 game and said "well I've got the old xbox can you add some options so it runs?" few would decide they had a point.

Note I said, NOT the triple-sli, water cooled, overclocked beast, but a decent cpu and gpu.

As I said, if you don't have a computer capable of running this game, the chances are you don't have a computer capable of running PC games - because they nearly all need a better computer than this game requires.

But it's moot, the options to change all of this stuff existed and they were easy to edit and change the day the game was released. The information required to do that was already on the forum not only before I posted, but before the OP created this thread.

And the patch to add a few options to the game was out a long time before ZP's latest pale impersonation of Charlie Brooker appeared :) Can't help thinking he twisted the truth just to have something to say.

There you go. Now stay out of the way of the people who are actually looking for help with making the game work. :)

[needaxeo]

For anyone who's looking.



There you go. Now stay out of the way of the people who are actually looking for help with making the game work. :)

Sad he didn't actually read it or couldn't understand it since (a) It's not anonymous as he claimed (b) It says you DON'T need a high specced computer (just one that meets the game's recommended requirements)

He's just an old man murray wannabee that can't edit a config file...and didn't have the actual courage to post his insult here :)

[Charax]

Oh dear. you could have just taken it on the chin, laughed it off and enjoyed your little bit of e-fame, but instead you responded like that, and in one shot proved him right.

Enjoy your cottage & car

[needaxeo]

Oh dear. you could have just taken it on the chin, laughed it off and enjoyed your little bit of e-fame, but instead you responded like that, and in one shot proved him right.


"Take it on the chin" - would that be a reasonable response if it was his chin that it was taken out on?

I did laugh once, but he's made 50+ identical videos since :)

What's not so funny is people telling my son he's a $%^%$. He didn't make the post.

Cheap insults, as you and few others have shown, any idiot can use them or, like you, copy them.

He needs another gag. Talking fast wasn't new when he copied it.

And look what Eric and Chet and Mr Brooker have done since.

[razman360]

You are anonymous in the sense that he doesnt know your name, identity, etc. Despite forum username, the format is still considered anonymous.

[Boff]

I'm here just because of me'old mucka Yahtzee. I had to double check if he said Steam powered or just steam forums - as I'm sure he's been lurking here nicking some of my ranting and ravings for some time.


Anyway - Glad to see the post and meet your aquaintence needaxeo, have we met before?

well back to doing what I do best.
I love this big happy family we have created for ourselves.

That's all this game needs. But, with the best will in the world, if your computer cannot play this title, I cannot see how you can be a PC gamer? I can't imagine what games you can be playing.

one usually requires a pc in order to play PC games and thusly be a PC gamer.

If he's got a PC, and he plays games....that usually qualifies you as a being a PC gamer.

having toiled with autoexec/config files and hacking stuff together for two decade I've been a PC owner, I've grown accustomed to modern day gaming and steam which usually removes the insane need for precise memory management and messing round with drivers and your sound IRQ settings, just to get a game up and running - I hesitate to got back - I'd rather spend the time playing games then trying to balance performance issues to just get them running in order to play them.


PC's being an odd collection of barely compatible hardware will just leave statistical outlying behaviors in some machines/software performance - and quite frankly I'm tired of that BS. Real tired.

Tinkering with files is a young persons games....a young person with no partner to entertain, dishes to wash, house to clean and kids to keep you 2 notches away from total mental and physical collapse.

Some of us, require the UX(user experience) side of the design process to be a smooth as teflon.

Not having settings is just - weird, but it's an easy fix, let's see if the company who give the bulk of the QC investment will allow the dev team to finish the job off ..... ohhh... did I just randomly place blame on the investors ;)

[joefx69]

Cheap insults, as you and few others have shown, any idiot can use them or, like you, copy them.


And yet you feel the need to, in your words, tell people that in order to run this PC game, they need a PC that can run the game???

Me thinks Yahtzee was too kind

[Lilgreenman]

Needaxeo, you're not helping your case.

First off, yes, Yahtzee misquoted you for a joke. That's the point. As he's said many times, his videos are supposed to be taken as strictly comedic and not as real reviews or sources of information. Also, don't complain that he's ripping off Charlie Brooker - that's just needlessly changing the subject.

Secondly, your original comment. Almost everyone who complained about QC not running well actually did have a decent or better gaming PC - I know I do, and I still can't get more than 10 FPS when I'm looking at physics objects, even after Airtight's patches. This was never an issue, and I don't know why you thought it was.

Third, if you imply that because you can mod the game's .ini files you have no right to complain about issues with the frame rate or motion blur, you are being an, ahem, count. Shipping a game with no video options is not something that should be happening in today's PC game market. This is plainly Airtight Games' fault, and they've admitted it and are trying their best to fix it.

If your account is a joint one used by both father and son, you should anticipate people treating the latter as if he were the former. I apologize, but that's just the way things go.

[Dana]

I said a PC gamer must have a gaming PC

90% of the games I play come from GOG.com

Am I, or am I not a PC gamer ?

[Gummydrop]

Shipping a game with no video options is not something that should be happening in today's PC game market.

Indeed. It's pretty unacceptable in this day and age to release a PC game and not have video settings in the games options.


If your account is a joint one used by both father and son, you should anticipate people treating the latter as if he were the former. I apologize, but that's just the way things go.

That and there's also "Do not: Share your account. Forum accounts are intended for the use by one person."

http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7277781#post7277781

[needaxeo]

Needaxeo, you're not helping your case.


There is no "case" in the first place. Some buffoon on the internet took a cheap swipe at me for no good reason that I can fathom (if it made him some money, good luck to him I suppose) and a lot of people, like yourself, think it funny to repeat it as though you are being funny.

But, like him, you don't actually have the balls to say it here. Choosing instead to reword it, or censor it or say it somewhere else.

I doubt the moderators will be fooled by your weasly attempts at re-wording or re-spelling.

Anyone can call someone a name. It's neither big nor clever, and do I really form such a big, important part of his or your lives to be part of some internet show?

Was the post about him, or his show? Was the post calling someone else a name? No.

Indeed, here you are perfectly entitled to disagree with my post - as many did, and, in as far as it makes sense to continue discussing it, I'm perfectly fine to say "I think I'm right because..."

The point where you start calling someone names because of what they post here is the point at which it's not acceptable. So whatever you want to blather about him being comedic, you are not.

Be civil. Or don't bother.

I mean, I kind of get it when, say, Jimmy Carr calls a high-profile public figure a similar name on TV. It's a cheap laugh, it's not really his best material nor that funny, but he has to make you laugh as well as me and, well I'm the kind of "elite" guy who can open a can of tuna fish and fix a puncture on my bike or edit a config file. Wow, eh? :)

Usually that famous, high profile person has either done some reasonably negative thing or they are the boss of some big, bad corporation.

It's very rare, unless heckled, that a comedian insults some random nobody, for no reason, for a cheap laugh.

Is he paid by EA or something? I'm not very kind to them on here admittedly.

Third, if you imply that because you can mod the game's .ini files you have no right to complain about issues with the frame rate or motion blur

Not true. I specifically quoted and responded to one person's complaints and the things he said. This was a number of days ago. If you had such a big opinion about it, you should have posted then (as quite a few did - including a guy from airtight games who pointed out they've added the options)

So, whatever, if you need or want menu options, you've got them, but I stand by every post I said (and what I said, not what you or anyone else wants to misquote me as saying)

As I said in that same thread - if you think me being able to edit a config file makes someone elite (and a few have said that) then I'm amazed and I can show you people who can open a can of tuna, change gear on a bicycle, repair a puncture and all manner of things that will blow your mind.

That's before we get to people that actually are elite. You know, if you had to prove PI was transcendental before the game started, you might have a point about elitism if someone said "What's the problem?" :)

If your account is a joint one used by both father and son

It isn't. Imagine a bunch of halfwits emailing, posting and tweeting to anyone and any account on the internet they google called 'needaxeo' some words they saw on the internet. That includes me, my son and, no doubt, people that aren't anything to do with me or the post at all who are probably wondering why on earth some random buffoon is calling them that. I guess at least they share something with me in that regard (except I know exactly who the buffoon that said it to me is)

[Gummydrop]

There is no "case" in the first place. Some buffoon on the internet took a cheap swipe at me for no good reason

you were an arrogant jerk, and yahtzee brought attention to it because he himself was looking for help on the subject, and your big rambling post was nothing but insulting people claiming they weren't PC gamers because they can't edit an ini file. Get a reality check.

[needaxeo]

you were an arrogant jerk, and yahtzee brought attention to it because he himself was looking for help on the subject, and your big rambling post was nothing but insulting people claiming they weren't PC gamers because they can't edit an ini file. Get a reality check.

Not really true, I said they couldn't have been PC gamers back in the day (dawn of 3d gaming I believe was the phrase), as claimed because back in the day there were all kinds of hoops you had to jump through configuring dos to play PC games (and the games themselves) Messing with interrupts, IO ports and soundblaster settings and so on.

Even with games under early windows there were DOS windows and ini files and things like that.

In short, it's not really true to claim that this title somehow removed something or made something more difficult that was, before big bad sony and MS released a console, present in all games.

I don't think there's anything wrong with menu options, or asking for them to be added, but the knee-jerk responses to this forum about FOV and so on and whines about "console ports" were not really truthful.

His post was signed off as though it was written from all long term pc gamers. I thought, irrespective of whether his request for options was polite, he wasn't really telling a true story about PC gaming.

Even today, it's a regular thing for people to post TF2 configs, for example, for either faster FPS or tweaking various things - and the same for UT3 engine games and games from other developers. It's not something elite at all. There are menu options for many things, that is true, but certainly not for everything and the existence of menu options doesn't preclude millions of gamers wanting access to config files and console (the actual console they like) to tweak the games they are playing.

These are all facts. There's nothing arrogant about saying facts or for sharing my opinion. I've not claimed to be important or special at all in any post to this forum. Do you know what arrogant means?

The other fact is, to be a PC gamer you need a PC capable of playing games. That's not an insult. It's a fact. This game's requirements are relatively low, another fact. Hence my conclusion and question, if your PC can't play this title, what PC games can you be playing. Certainly not very many modern ones.

You ideally need a PC with the recommended specs to play PC games - another fact. That's why the games on steam have a list of recommended hardware.

That was the jist of what I said, and all I got back was something about being "elitist", which is nonsense. Millions of gamers on steam edit config files to play games all the time. They, like me, are just ordinary people and, the hardware I own (and is recommended for this title) is anything but elite, it's owned and used by millions of gamers. Take a look at the steam hardware survey at all the "elitists" there must be.

The truth isn't that he was just looking here at all. I don't believe that for one minute. Not the least because the information was already on the forum (which my post points out)

[Lilgreenman]

There is no "case" in the first place. Some buffoon on the internet took a cheap swipe at me for no good reason that I can fathom (if it made him some money, good luck to him I suppose) and a lot of people, like yourself, think it funny to repeat it as though you are being funny.

And here you go again. You say that there is no case, and then immediately state your argument and its context. That's a 'case' in my book (Before you reply, I am aware that I am in fact referring to my view of morality rather than an actual book. What's wrong with using idioms?)

But, like him, you don't actually have the balls to say it here. Choosing instead to reword it, or censor it or say it somewhere else.

I doubt the moderators will be fooled by your weasly attempts at re-wording or re-spelling.

Anyone can call someone a name. It's neither big nor clever, and do I really form such a big, important part of his or your lives to be part of some internet show?

Was the post about him, or his show? Was the post calling someone else a name? No.

Indeed, here you are perfectly entitled to disagree with my post - as many did, and, in as far as it makes sense to continue discussing it, I'm perfectly fine to say "I think I'm right because..."

The point where you start calling someone names because of what they post here is the point at which it's not acceptable. So whatever you want to blather about him being comedic, you are not.

Be civil. Or don't bother.

I try to keep profanity to an absolute minimum in my posts, because using too much of it tends to make people take you less seriously. However, in this case, I used Yahtzee's own neutering of the word, for a bit of referential humor. Feel free to take offense at trying to put a smile on people's faces.

I genuinely do think you're being abrasive and unwise. As I previously said, you misconstrued several important in the original post, and continue to defend said post in the face of multiple indications of your misunderstandings.

[Implying that because you can mod the game's .ini files you have no right to complain about issues with the frame rate or motion blur]is not true. I specifically quoted and responded to one person's complaints and the things he said. This was a number of days ago. If you had such a big opinion about it, you should have posted then (as quite a few did - including a guy from airtight games who pointed out they've added the options)

So, whatever, if you need or want menu options, you've got them, but I stand by every post I said (and what I said, not what you or anyone else wants to misquote me as saying)

I did post about it then, in a different thread, that I started because my problem was that the game was literally made unwinnable by a combination of the came's lackluster physics engine and the horrible frame rate, which I felt deserved special scrutiny.

Also, I'm not quoting you as saying that, I wrote that you implied that. And for those of you keeping score at home (Hooray, another idiom!), I'll quote him here:

The truth is there were a lot of knee-jerk reactions to the graphics options before these people even knew the game was UT3 and that the options existed and could be easily changed.

I'd say that qualifies as implication.


As I said in that same thread - if you think me being able to edit a config file makes someone elite (and a few have said that) then I'm amazed and I can show you people who can open a can of tuna, change gear on a bicycle, repair a puncture and all manner of things that will blow your mind.


I never said it makes you elite (though I can't vouch for everyone). What I said is that in this day and age, when 5 million concurrent Steam users can be online, that it's plainly bad form on the part of Airtight Games.

In conclusion, you, needaxeo, are not ♥♥♥♥y. You're misinformed, which is a better term for discussion purposes than it is for comedic.

[DirectVic]

And Lilgreenman takes home the prize.

Fatality.

[jamstruth]

I have a laptop that I use for gaming. You say this game isn't that taxing I call bull. I have a 2.67GHz i5 and an ATi Mobility RadeonHD 5650 and this game chugs a hell of a lot. Turning down the resolution is a chore in itself, the menu button often becoming unresponsive. (A dropdown menu of resolutions would help greatly developers if you are for some reason reading this). THe game runs smooth until I reach a loading point at which point it chugs like mad.

Basically: This game needs some graphics options. Stat.

[Nova Tracker]

Someone called someone else a name on the Internet, the world goes on.

[TheFrostBite]

First off i would like to thank the OP for reposting the comment so i could see what the fuss was, at first i didn't believe someone would say something even that close ...well i was wrong


2nd leave the kid be, Let him play his little internet tough guy know it all routine and then disappear back into the nameless void where he belongs

Don't make him think his opinions matter when it doesn't, that's how trolls are born

[<Witty name>]

Although it's possible to change graphical settings via modifying the .ini, it feels incredibly clunky and unbefitting of a modern title. It would be comparable to a game that requires you to enter raw character values to set your name.

Hello, I'm 60 87 105 116 116 121 32 110 97 109 101 62.

[BrendanFace]

Thanks for this, man. Saved me searching for it. The first guy to ever get a shout out on ZP.


Referring to his argument, however, I think the real problem is the definition of "gamer", not whether or not a particular player considers themselves a PC gamer.

The term "gamer" has been degraded to "anybody who has ever played a game more than once a week", while people like myself who spend a large amount of time in-game are now "hardcore gamers". So then what are the people who game for a living and never get out of their chairs called?

If I picked up a tennis racket and started hitting a ball around, I would not start calling myself a tennis player.

The guy has a point, I just feel his argument is misplaced.

[nrnoble]

Yatchee is a persona that has servered him well. Maybe he truly is an a-hole, or he may be like shock-jocks; they play a role professionally that earns them a good living, but when the clock stops at the end of the business day, they leaving the a-hole at the office.

Personally I think he went a bit too far calling needaxeo a C*nt. But he wants to shock everyone and push the limits as far as he can. We get the impression that he would call a 10 year gamer a C*nt if he could get it pass his editors. And I do suspect his editors put him on a long lease, such as not allowing him to use use needaxeo's steam alias in his commentary; why pull that punch if he is going to call him a C*unt.

[orangeWizard]

Watching Need try and defend himself is hilarious.

[Lilgreenman]

Personally I think he went a bit too far calling needaxeo a C*nt. But he wants to shock everyone and push the limits as far as he can. We get the impression that he would call a 10 year gamer a C*nt if he could get it pass his editors. And I do suspect his editors put him on a long lease, such as not allowing him to use use needaxeo's steam alias in his commentary; why pull that punch if he is going to call him a C*unt.

You really shouldn't take this out of proportion. I think the man himself sums it up best (http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/8650/alotf.jpg).

[Payne12]

Wow, there sure are a lot of people being defensive. It's almost as if everyone's scared that one idiots video on the internet is going to start everyone hating PC gamers.

Was it necessary for Needaxo to post what he did? No. Is he wrong? I don't think so.

If I recall the post, the OP was requesting additional graphics settings within the game, which it lacked. I agree that the game should, if it doesn't. The fact that he said "Since the dawn of 3D gaming", or whatever, leads me to believe that the OP is talking out of his ♥♥♥ to some degree since the games back then didn't have any of the graphic settings options like he's requesting.

This is where Needaxo's post comes in, calling the guy out. Had he indeed been around since the so called "dawn of 3D gaming", configuring .ini files should be easy, therefore making his post unnecessary. I myself have done some extensive .ini editing, but these days it's not my preferred method of changing settings when adding the settings in a GUI is just as simple.

I don't agree with the reasons for Needaxo to make the post that he did, but he isn't "wrong" per se nor does he deserve the flak he's getting. Yahtzee clearly misread his post and is feels justified in calling people names. Now we have his fan base blindly following his word rather than being objective about it, turning it into a witch hunt.

Can we all grow up and drop this? This is just silly.

[FlooBaDeeDoo]

There is no "case" in the first place. Some buffoon on the internet took a cheap swipe at me for no good reason that I can fathom (if it made him some money, good luck to him I suppose) and a lot of people, like yourself, think it funny to repeat it as though you are being funny.


*FACEPALM*

You do realize that if you had just said something along the lines of "lol, he called me a ♥♥♥♥," instead of letting your jimmies get rustled, everyone would have laughed with you and thought better of you.

Now everyone thinks you're an ♥♥♥-hole. Congratulations.

[KnownUnknown]

Famous for all the wrong reasons. Like Paris Hilton or Kim Kardashian.

[UberFAKnNooB]

Just take pride in the fact that of all the elitist ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥s on the Steam forums, he chose you to quote.

[Lord Gremlin]

Damn Yahtzee was right. Good thing he calls those out, they flood steam forums like locust rendering any technical question posted useless.
Damn, watch Tribes forums. There's actually a ♥♥♥♥ there that posted that if you don't have recommended specs you can't play it.

[nrnoble]

Damn Yahtzee was right. Good thing he calls those out, they flood steam forums like locust rendering any technical question posted useless.
Damn, watch Tribes forums. There's actually a ♥♥♥♥ there that posted that if you don't have recommended specs you can't play it.


Can you post a link?

[ricstrr]

Just my 2-cents worth. I've a spanking new laptop, no I don't know the specs but I can say with 100% certainty that i can play Half-Life 2, Portal and Portal 2 at 1080 with all the GFX settings turned up full.

This game, with its plain blue walls and frankly, sod all detail apart from the odd shadow and occasional bit of fog runs like ♥♥♥♥ with even the "new" gfx settings such as bloom turned OFF. And that's AFTER applying the AMD patch BTW.

Someone needs to get fired.

[nrnoble]

^^^ Who should be fired and why?

[gxs]

RageOr you need to get some computer knowledge (and don't pretend that you have any or you would know how to check computer specs) or at least some common sense.

Games use different engines so game A won't work as well as game B. Ever.
Now that that's over could you tell us who should be fired?