Steam Deals and Price Reductions!

[Bobafett2k6]

Errrrr yeah Alpha Protocol is 90% off BECAUSE it's a BAD game, can't believe poor fools have been picking this one up!

What complete and utter rubbish. There are many people around the forums praising the game a lot, so it's only a bad game in your opinion. I bought it myself and having tried it i have to say it shows a lot of promise so far.

Oh and yes, we are now 800+ pages into game sales (and my account still has one of the best records of discounted games at around 95%) ^_^

Where is your source for this info?

[qoxer]

From what I've heard the game has some bad AI and a few other downsides, but it also has great plot, great dialogues and a player has a very big influence on how the plot proceeds.

It is just 2 euro, if the gameplay is gonna make me throw up its not gonna be a big deal as I didnt waste a lot of money. If it will be OK, and the plot etc will be as people say, I am gonna love it so it will be worth it.
So on 1 side I dont risk much, and on the other side I might get a great experience.

I will give my judgement after I play it, atm I'm still downloading it.

I think that a lot of people dont have their own opinions - they just see a game that does not get great reviews and they critisize it witout even playing it.

[Cormorant_H]

What complete and utter rubbish. There are many people around the forums praising the game a lot, so it's only a bad game in your opinion.

In-freaking-deed. Just because someone says it doesn't make it true, especially when it's an opinion. But just in case AP's price and being acclaimed by /v/ isn't enough, the game's hated by the same critics who loved Dragon Age 2. That should tell you something right there.

[Bobafett2k6]

In-freaking-deed. Just because someone says it doesn't make it true, especially when it's WNxFusionGamerX's opinion..

Fixed

[jello]

I can’t believe there’re still people following this thread regularly who don’t have WNxFusionGamerX on their ignore list.

[bpbill]

I can’t believe there’re still people following this thread regularly who don’t have WNxFusionGamerX on their ignore list.

If only it would remove him totally including the fact that he has made a post and all references to him :p

[Aura891]

Errrrr yeah Alpha Protocol is 90% off BECAUSE it's a BAD game, can't believe poor fools have been picking this one up!



awww, WNxFusionGamerX is back to his usual troll-like attitude again, isn't it great everyone?

[epsylon_Z1]

Errrrr yeah Alpha Protocol is 90% off BECAUSE it's a BAD game, can't believe poor fools have been picking this one up!I wonder what games do you own on Steam . Can you please post the url of your game library ? Thank you .

[WNxFusionGamerX]

Angry Joe Show - Alpha Protocol Review

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zg6QLyWFCbY

Profile

http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197964141769

I will remind you (again) that I don't troll internet forums, that I generally refer to truths others can't or won't accept and (once again) that I have mild autism and thus am quite knowledgeable in certain areas if you know anything about the condition at all!

As for my profile, been buying games on sale since late 2009/early 2010 and thus about 95% of what I have is from sales. Makes you wonder how many on Steam can say THAT about their library!

[Bobafett2k6]

Angry Joe Show - Alpha Protocol Review

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zg6QLyWFCbY

Reviews are still down to the reviewers opinion, but for the sake of argument take a look at Metacritic (http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/alpha-protocol) where the metascore is 72/100(25 critics), with the user score of 7.5/10(211 ratings). I know i'd rather take more notice of many users and critics than your Angry Joe whoever he is.

EDIT: I'll just add that now I've actually bothered to watch that video, I'm surprised people actually listen to this guy. In my opinion he's an idiot that likes to get viewers by standing there flapping his arms around and acting like a prat, he probably wouldn't know how to properly review a game if his life depended on it. He spends the first 90 seconds of that video pretending the game is broken by trying to kill with a pistol from an insane distance, the phrase "you're doing it wrong" has never been more fitting. It wasn't the games fault, it was his.

Profile

http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197964141769

I will remind you (again) that I don't troll internet forums, that I generally refer to truths others can't or won't accept

You mean your opinion, and nobody elses opinion can possibly be credible when it conflicts with yours? Oh and your profile is private...

and (once again) that I have mild autism and thus am quite knowledgeable in certain areas if you know anything about the condition at all!

You have autism and this makes you the font of all gaming knowledge? Rubbish.

As for my profile, been buying games on sale since late 2009/early 2010 and thus about 95% of what I have is from sales. Makes you wonder how many on Steam can say THAT about their library!

I pretty much buy all of my games on sale too, my library also consists of 95%+ of games bought on sale so no, you aren't special and you'll probably find that there are many many Steam users just like us that wait for sales. Sorry to disappoint.

EDIT: 52 rep? Who the hell gave you that? I've never read one of your posts deserving of any, in fact quite the opposite. ;)

[Cormorant_H]

excellent stuff

Honestly couldn't have said it better myself. Really, the reason why I threw my hat into this ring in the first place is because I've a beef with the whole "AP's horrible and buyers are fools" in the first place.

You proudly wait for discounts until you buy? Great. :rolleyes: What irked me was that apparently two bucks/Euros still is not enough to check out a game that had a whole lot of potential. Just two bucks/Euros for a metascore of 72. But apparently it's so horrible it's worse than Subject 16's Glyphs: The Game (http://store.steampowered.com/app/98100/?snr=1_4_4__13) or The Ultimate Troll Game Gift (http://store.steampowered.com/app/34900/?snr=1_4_4__13).

All things considered, opinions are opinions, but continuing to try to pull people away from trying a AA release (at the least) for that price and telling off those who did is rather messed up.

[jdun]

I own Alpha Protocol but haven't play it. A lot of games that critics don't like, I enjoy them a lot. A lot of games that critics think that are good, I find them to be lacking.

[crunchyfrog555]

Have to agree with BobaFett once more.

Angry Joe is frankly the kind of idiot that gives us reviewers a bad name. Being able to put stuff on Youtube does not mean you are deserved of doing so or remotely talented.

I wonder if FusionGamer was pulling the autism line as a deflector - I know of many people who game with disabilities (myself included). I wouldn't dream of using it as an excuse, if that's what he was doing.

Bottom line, Alpha Protocol: picked it up in one of the last sales for a few quid, and surprised at how good the game was.

And yes, I too ONLY buy games in sales on Steam, although it's by far the most unrepresented platform I possess.

[cristianesza]

Guys don't argue with him, he hasn't even played the game he's criticizing so much. He is just a kid who wants some attention.

Everybody who has read this thread for a couple weeks has already added him to the ignore-list.

[NathAttack]

LOL, so you thought that the price was OK in the first place (after all you added them to the cart, knowing their price) and then you decided not to buy (even though you thought the price was OK), because someone has it for a lower price?

Just get over it - thats just the way it is. I am from Europe, and our prices are usually a lot higher than US (sometimes even 100-200% more expensive).

So if you like a game, think the price is OK for the game - buy it. Its not like your protest is gonna change anything.

Congratulations, you completely missed the point of my post. What I was about to pay was reasonable, but games simply shouldn't be twice as expensive because I live on a different continent to you.

Publishers who don't follow this ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ scheme get my money, and lots of it. Those that do, do not. It's that simple and it has nothing to do with the literal dollar value of the cart.

[epsylon_Z1]

Recommendation :

Buy Deus Ex: Game of the Year Edition (http://store.steampowered.com/app/6910/) and play 2027 (http://project2027.com/en/#/) .

[Raziel123]

Alpha Protocol isn't that bad. Bought it at higher price than it is now and it was worth it. At the current price, it's one of the best deals on steam atm

[ChocoladeEter]

I bought it for €50 back then and I still think it was worth it. It's not without its faults, but the game definately tried something new, which I respect. And the gameplay itself was fun (but flawed). I still like to play it every now and then.

[gazonokosil]

Puzzle Bots -66%
http://store.steampowered.com/app/80300/

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[{Yotsuba}]

Puzzle Bots is a wonderful little adventure. Especially at that price.

[Chapa9dj]

Daily Deal - GUN™ 75% off! (http://store.steampowered.com/agecheck/app/2610/)

Awesome, i been waiting for this!! :D
*Sold!

[soviet_sharkey]

♥♥♥♥ YEAH
/sold

[Point Man]

Reviews are still down to the reviewers opinion, but for the sake of argument take a look at Metacritic (http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/alpha-protocol) where the metascore is 72/100(25 critics), with the user score of 7.5/10(211 ratings). I know i'd rather take more notice of many users and critics than your Angry Joe whoever he is.

EDIT: I'll just add that now I've actually bothered to watch that video, I'm surprised people actually listen to this guy. In my opinion he's an idiot that likes to get viewers by standing there flapping his arms around and acting like a prat, he probably wouldn't know how to properly review a game if his life depended on it. He spends the first 90 seconds of that video pretending the game is broken by trying to kill with a pistol from an insane distance, the phrase "you're doing it wrong" has never been more fitting. It wasn't the games fault, it was his.



You mean your opinion, and nobody elses opinion can possibly be credible when it conflicts with yours? Oh and your profile is private...



You have autism and this makes you the font of all gaming knowledge? Rubbish.



I pretty much buy all of my games on sale too, my library also consists of 95%+ of games bought on sale so no, you aren't special and you'll probably find that there are many many Steam users just like us that wait for sales. Sorry to disappoint.

EDIT: 52 rep? Who the hell gave you that? I've never read one of your posts deserving of any, in fact quite the opposite. ;)

Hey, i actually enjoy his reviews :mad:. He's a gamer. He gives games reviews based on the fun factor, unlike other reviewers who just base it on graphics and how close to COD it is. Besides, he acts like that for entertainment purposes. I mean he makes the review fun to watch and informative at the same time ;).

Edit: By the way, how do you give someone rep?

[crunchyfrog555]

Hey, i actually enjoy his reviews :mad:. He's a gamer. He gives games reviews based on the fun factor, unlike other reviewers who just base it on graphics and how close to COD it is. Besides, he acts like that for entertainment purposes. I mean he makes the review fun to watch and informative at the same time ;).

Edit: By the way, how do you give someone rep?

Check the icons right here





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[Point Man]

Check the icons right here





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Ya, for some reason i only have the add rep icon next to my posts. Is that supposed to happen?

[Cormorant_H]

Ya, for some reason i only have the add rep icon next to my posts. Is that supposed to happen?

You don't have any rep, therefore you can't give any rep.

Besides, even if you had any, it'd be incredibly obvious who you'd give it to, even if they have an incredibly ill-informed opinion.

[JanKowalski]

Ya, for some reason i only have the add rep icon next to my posts. Is that supposed to happen?

You have to little posts to give rep.

[serieus1]

Yeah, I'm excited about Gun being on sale. Glad it's 75% and not 50%. Hope it's something close to what LucasArts Outlaws offered, cause that was real fun back in the day. I dig the western genre.

[Point Man]

You don't have any rep, therefore you can't give any rep.

Besides, even if you had any, it'd be incredibly obvious who you'd give it to, even if they have an incredibly ill-informed opinion.

Woah woah WOAH. What the hell does that mean? I actually bought Alpha Protocol, and don't think it's that bad. I don't have anyone in mind to rep, i just wanted to know for future occasions. Jeez :p.

[Bobafett2k6]

Hey, i actually enjoy his reviews :mad:.

Fair enough, you like his reviews. Each to their own i suppose.

He's a gamer. He gives games reviews based on the fun factor, unlike other reviewers who just base it on graphics and how close to COD it is.

I'm guessing that most reputable reviewers are gamers, otherwise they wouldn't be in a job. I think in this case he wants it to be CoD as he spends the first 90 seconds or so shooting at an enemy from what is clearly too far away with a pistol and then makes a big deal out of the fact that he isn't hitting.

Besides, he acts like that for entertainment purposes. I mean he makes the review fun to watch and informative at the same time ;).

I didn't find anything informative about his review, there's certainly no way anyone could make an educated purchase from it.

Maybe i just don't get it, i'm getting old you know ;)

[kalirion]

Eh, the only reviews I watch are Zero Punctuation :)

[Cormorant_H]

Woah woah WOAH. What the hell does that mean? I actually bought Alpha Protocol, and don't think it's that bad. I don't have anyone in mind to rep, i just wanted to know for future occasions. Jeez :p.

Very well. You've demonstrated your openness and thus I apologize.

[lordbarni]

Puzzle Bots is a wonderful little adventure. Especially at that price.

I just completed it, it was a really sweet and enjoyable adventure game. Sadly it's a bit short (i finished it in 2.5 hours according to steam), but it was a great buy for the discounted price. Thanks for your recommendation, i wouldn't have bought it without this.
(I thought i write this here, since the game doesn't have it's own steam board. o.0 Or i'm just too tired and missed it...)

[Point Man]

Fair enough, you like his reviews. Each to their own i suppose.



I'm guessing that most reputable reviewers are gamers, otherwise they wouldn't be in a job. I think in this case he wants it to be CoD as he spends the first 90 seconds or so shooting at an enemy from what is clearly too far away with a pistol and then makes a big deal out of the fact that he isn't hitting.



I didn't find anything informative about his review, there's certainly no way anyone could make an educated purchase from it.

Maybe i just don't get it, i'm getting old you know ;)


Well, was he wrong about the AI? He showed proof for everything he said was wrong with the AI. He also mentions a few of the bugs and glitches. Was he wrong about texture load times? He had proof for that as well. Now granted, he was playing the Xbox 360 version, but i can't imagine this game being more polished on the PC. But you have a point, it wasn't as informative as it could have been.

[Point Man]

Very well. You've demonstrated your openness and thus I apologize.


That's all right, i guess it did sound like i agreed with the troll. I don't agree with him, i was just saying i enjoy Angry Joe's reviews :D.

[awesome_ninjaa]

Eh, the only reviews I watch are Zero Punctuation :)

+rep for truth! Virtual have five!

[jdun]

Alpha Protocol isn't that bad. Bought it at higher price than it is now and it was worth it. At the current price, it's one of the best deals on steam atm

Most games aren't worth their released price. In fact only one or two games are worth their released price each year.

Reviews should base on price point to give a better understanding of the value of the game.

For example: Judge Dredd: Dredd vs Death
http://steamcommunity.com/id/deadlylag/games?tab=all

Dredd got a score of 55 which is fair at the price point of $50-$60. I bought it for $5 and finished the game. It is a great game for $5. At the $5 price point I would give it a 85 score.

I haven't play Alpha Protocol yet but unless it is so buggy that made it unplayable. At $2 it probably worth every penny.

[Europhoria]

Alpha Protocol isn't that bad. Sure it's ungainly at times but at $2/$3 (or whatever it was priced in your region) it's more than worth it. What I really didn't like about the game was those puzzles with all those moving letters. My eyes almost fell out of my head. :(

[Patch517]

Trine - 75% off

A bit late :rolleyes:

[cristianesza]

Again Trine? It was Daily Deal last week: http://store.steampowered.com/news/?appids=35700

[Patch517]

Again Trine? It was Daily Deal last week: http://store.steampowered.com/news/?appids=35700

That was a mistake from Valve's part, something else was the deal that day.

[jonathanmcleod]

That was a mistake. Last time it was on sale was during the Summer Sale, where it was 90% off at £1.69. If you didn't get it then, it's still worth this price and you should definitely get it.

[Europhoria]

Hahaha the one day they don't mention Trine as the daily... ;) All I remember is falling into spikes....repeatedly. :mad:

[Storm360]

I already have Trine from a indie bundle. I haven't really played it enough to say if its worth it or not though.

(PS, Did anyone else have a problem with Trine playtime tracking? I had 2 hours which then reset and now I have 0 hours on it.)

[Eriako]

I already have Trine from a indie bundle. I haven't really played it enough to say if its worth it or not though.

(PS, Did anyone else have a problem with Trine playtime tracking? I had 2 hours which then reset and now I have 0 hours on it.)

It reset my hours as well, but I wanted to replay it on the hardest mode anyway.

Great game if you like platformers. It has been cheaper, but it's definitely worth the current price.

[Storm360]

It reset my hours as well, but I wanted to replay it on the hardest mode anyway.

Great game if you like platformers. It has been cheaper, but it's definitely worth the current price.

Ah, nice to know it wasn't just me.


I'll start it again one day for sure.

[Findedeux]

[
I have to disagree with your reasoning. If a game is plain bad (which is how I interpret a 55) then I don't think it becomes a better game just because it is cheaper. Quality and value are two very different things. When I buy Walmart brand products I am getting a great value but I am not usually getting a high quality product as well. I would never buy a 55 game because I would expect the experience in general to be bad. The fact that I am paying a lot less for this bad experience versus a good experience (90) doesn't convince me otherwise. In fact, I would have to be paid to play a game with a 55 because otherwise I would see it as a complete waste of my time.


QUOTE=jdun;25330967]Most games aren't worth their released price. In fact only one or two games are worth their released price each year.

Reviews should base on price point to give a better understanding of the value of the game.

For example: Judge Dredd: Dredd vs Death
http://steamcommunity.com/id/deadlylag/games?tab=all

Dredd got a score of 55 which is fair at the price point of $50-$60. I bought it for $5 and finished the game. It is a great game for $5. At the $5 price point I would give it a 85 score.

I haven't play Alpha Protocol yet but unless it is so buggy that made it unplayable. At $2 it probably worth every penny.[/QUOTE]

[jdun]

I have to disagree with your reasoning. If a game is plain bad (which is how I interpret a 55) then I don't think it becomes a better game just because it is cheaper. Quality and value are two very different things. When I buy Walmart brand products I am getting a great value but I am not usually getting a high quality product as well. I would never buy a 55 game because I would expect the experience in general to be bad. The fact that I am paying a lot less for this bad experience versus a good experience (90) doesn't convince me otherwise. In fact, I would have to be paid to play a game with a 55 because otherwise I would see it as a complete waste of my time.



There are something called overprice product. For example: I buy ammo from Wal-Mart because they are cheaper compare to a Gun Shop that sell the same brand. I go buy my grocery from Wal-Mart because they are cheaper than other chained grocery store. I get more value for my money buying from Wal-Mart than other places.

Price does not mean quality. You can see that in almost every $50-60 games. Higher prices means better marketing. By giving a higher price there is a perceive higher quality.

For example. Company A and Company B bought their product from the same manufacture. The product are the same. Company A sell it for $10. Company B sell their for $50 with a better looking package. Consumers will perceived that Company B product is superior than Company A. The brutal truth is Company B product is the same as Company A but with better branding. The consumer is paying $40 more for the name than anything else.

The majority of games aren't bad. They're just way overpriced.

Lets look at Dredd.

Con:
1. Very linear
2. Two Weapon System
3. Bad rag doll physic
4. Bad AI
5. Not so great map design
6. 4 hours of game play

Pro:
1. Great dialog
2. Good character design
3. Decent level design
4. Nice primary pistol mechanics
5. Standard save system

Dredd is a fun game to play. I enjoyed it but it wasn't worth $50-60. It's a decent FPS single player shooter.

Alpha Protocol is not worth $50-60 when it came out but what games do each year? Not many. Does it worth $2 probably.

At the end of the day it's about value. Does the game you're about to buy worth the price? At $50-60 probably not. At $5 or below the risks are small. Even with a bad review a game could be good at lower price point.

[Aura891]

I have to disagree with your reasoning. If a game is plain bad (which is how I interpret a 55) then I don't think it becomes a better game just because it is cheaper. Quality and value are two very different things. When I buy Walmart brand products I am getting a great value but I am not usually getting a high quality product as well. I would never buy a 55 game because I would expect the experience in general to be bad. The fact that I am paying a lot less for this bad experience versus a good experience (90) doesn't convince me otherwise. In fact, I would have to be paid to play a game with a 55 because otherwise I would see it as a complete waste of my time.


honestly, you have a pretty messed up way of defining "value", but to each their own

to give an example though that doesn't have to do with wal-mart or games-

cars:

Car A costs 27,000$
Car B costs 27,000$

Car A has absolutely no features, no electric windows, cruise control, warming seats, etc.
Car B has all the features anyone could ever ask for

on a score card 0-100
Car A gets a score of 40/100
Car B gets a score of 90/100

those scores are correct, because of the price point, and what they are being judged against, however if car A had been priced at, say, 14,000-15,000$ like it should be, it'd probably get a score of 70-80 (depending on the actual car, ofcourse)

Scores are generally given in how the game compares to with other games of the same price point, not all the time, ofcourse, but if i pay 60$ for a game and it gives me the same experience as a 20$ game i just bought aswell, that 20$ game is going to have a higher score from me, then that 60$ game, as i paid 3 times the amount for the same experience

[Findedeux]

I agree there are overpriced products and I also agree that price does not mean quality. But the whole point of the Metascore system is to reflect quality and quality alone. Your example ignores this, assuming that both products are equal in quality.

In my experience, the 50 scoring games I have played have been horrible. And when I read reviews for those games they are described in very unpleasant ways. So my premise is that a 50-scoring game is crap. If you feel otherwise then that simply means we have different game standards and aren't actually disagreeing otherwise.

Using Alpha Protocol, I would agree that a decent game is made more attractive when it's cheaper. However, when dealing with games that have bad reviews I would assume the game is bad and there I would disagree that a bad game is more attractive when it's cheaper.

On a more general note, given how cheap truly great games are on Steam anyway, I would think most people would skip bad games that happened to be really cheap.




There are something called overprice product. For example: I buy ammo from Wal-Mart because they are cheaper compare to a Gun Shop that sell the same brand. I go buy my grocery from Wal-Mart because they are cheaper than other chained grocery store. I get more value for my money buying from Wal-Mart than other places.

Price does not mean quality. You can see that in almost every $50-60 games. Higher prices means better marketing. By giving a higher price there is a perceive higher quality.

For example. Company A and Company B bought their product from the same manufacture. The product are the same. Company A sell it for $10. Company B sell their for $50 with a better looking package. Consumers will perceived that Company B product is superior than Company A. The brutal truth is Company B product is the same as Company A but with better branding. The consumer is paying $40 more for the name than anything else.

The majority of games aren't bad. They're just way overpriced.

Lets look at Dredd.

Con:
1. Very linear
2. Two Weapon System
3. Bad rag doll physic
4. Bad AI
5. Not so great map design
6. 4 hours of game play

Pro:
1. Great dialog
2. Good character design
3. Decent level design
4. Nice primary pistol mechanics
5. Standard save system

Dredd is a fun game to play. I enjoyed it but it wasn't worth $50-60. It's a decent FPS single player shooter.

Alpha Protocol is not worth $50-60 when it came out but what games do each year? Not many. Does it worth $2 probably.

At the end of the day it's about value. Does the game you're about to buy worth the price? At $50-60 probably not. At $5 or below the risks are small. Even with a bad review a game could be good at lower price point.

[Findedeux]

I am not sure you actually replied to anything I actually said. It sounds like you heard me say that price doesn't matter when I score a game.

What I actually said is that if a game is bad in terms of its merits then no matter how cheap the price, I wouldn't want to play it.

honestly, you have a pretty messed up way of defining "value", but to each their own

to give an example though that doesn't have to do with wal-mart or games-

cars:

Car A costs 27,000$
Car B costs 27,000$

Car A has absolutely no features, no electric windows, cruise control, warming seats, etc.
Car B has all the features anyone could ever ask for

on a score card 0-100
Car A gets a score of 40/100
Car B gets a score of 90/100

those scores are correct, because of the price point, and what they are being judged against, however if car A had been priced at, say, 14,000-15,000$ like it should be, it'd probably get a score of 70-80 (depending on the actual car, ofcourse)

Scores are generally given in how the game compares to with other games of the same price point, not all the time, ofcourse, but if i pay 60$ for a game and it gives me the same experience as a 20$ game i just bought aswell, that 20$ game is going to have a higher score from me, then that 60$ game, as i paid 3 times the amount for the same experience

[OmegaRed60]

I am not sure you actually replied to anything I actually said. It sounds like you heard me say that price doesn't matter when I score a game.

What I actually said is that if a game is bad in terms of its merits then no matter how cheap the price, I wouldn't want to play it.

I agree. I can't see how price can suddenly make a game playable. No matter the price or being free, I can't force myself to enjoy something I normally wouldn't.

[jello]

If a game is bad, price can’t make it any better. True. But a Metascore [which has its own flaws anyway] of around 50 merely indicates a mediocre game. Giving a mediocre game a chance when the price is low is just that: giving the game a chance. If it turns out to be one of the bad mediocre games you didn’t waste too much money, but no-one can say you didn’t give the game a chance and didn’t conceive your own opinion instead of just being a lemming who takes reviews for granted.

The obsession with Metascores these days is kind of ridiculous.

[OmegaRed60]

I agree with the metascore thing. I don't even use that site or pay any attention to them on Steam. I wouldn't be surprised if half of what I liked had low scores. lol

Though I was able to try Alpha Protocol on Onlive. It played well, but I found it boring. It might be because I have Deus Ex:HR, but I didn't feel like AP was worth my time. I may just be suffering from genre overlap.

[crunchyfrog555]

If a game is bad, price can’t make it any better. True. But a Metascore [which has its own flaws anyway] of around 50 merely indicates a mediocre game. Giving a mediocre game a chance when the price is low is just that: giving the game a chance. If it turns out to be one of the bad mediocre games you didn’t waste too much money, but no-one can say you didn’t give the game a chance and didn’t conceive your own opinion instead of just being a lemming who takes reviews for granted.

The obsession with Metascores these days is kind of ridiculous.

The obsession with ANY form of scoring is folly, to be brutally honest, as it tells you so very little.

Scores on their own are nigh on useless. I can't see why gamers (or indeed anyone after entertainment media of any kind) tend to rely on them, rather than offering a very vague guide at best.

I strongly suspect people that do heavily rely on scores are the people who invariably get burned on games. It amazes me how some of these people are self-confessed serious gamers yet cannot do proper research before purchase.

The real use of Metacritic, in my opinion, is that it is a one-stop for links to many guides, which you can then investigate further. Scores can, in many cases, indicate absolutely nothing.

[epsylon_Z1]

Sid Meier's Civilization® V: Game of the Year Edition
http://store.steampowered.com/app/901772/
It's 41% cheaper on GamersGate . :rolleyes:

[Jaws™]

Sid Meier's Civilization® V: Game of the Year Edition
http://store.steampowered.com/app/901772/
It's 41% cheaper on GamersGate . :rolleyes:


It's £7 more here in UK on GG.

[epsylon_Z1]

It's £7 more here in UK on GG.£29.95 ? Only a 38% off discount ? I see . It's cheaper for the UK on Steam .

[Jaws™]

Sorry I think I picked you up wrong, I thought you meant it was 41% cheaper than Steam on GG.

[Metro]

Sid Meier's Civilization® V: Game of the Year Edition
http://store.steampowered.com/app/901772/
It's 41% cheaper on GamersGate . :rolleyes:

The list price is $80 so the 'discount' brings it down to $50. I'm sure it's a pricing error and it'll be the same list price at both places. Gamer's Gate has always been pretty shoddy in updating their store pages.

[nofing]

I think GamersGate merely used the base game + DLC to calculate the "list price"
It's $50 on both Steam and GamersGate.

[epsylon_Z1]

Is Total War: SHOGUN 2 ( for the single player ) worth to buy ?

[OmegaRed60]

Is Total War: SHOGUN 2 ( for the single player ) worth to buy ?

Wow, you're cutting it close to the end of the sale. I would suggest trying the demo which is pretty lengthy for a demo and gives you a huge taste of single player.

It's like 5gb though so it may not work out unless you're still willing to pay full price.

[Bobafett2k6]

Well, here we are. 15 mins or so until a new Midweek Madness and Daily Deal. We've had some really good sales lately so i'm looking forward to it!

[epsylon_Z1]

Well, here we are. 15 mins or so until a new Midweek Madness and Daily Deal. We've had some really good sales lately so i'm looking forward to it!Capcom week . ;)

Wow, you're cutting it close to the end of the sale. I would suggest trying the demo which is pretty lengthy for a demo and gives you a huge taste of single player.

It's like 5gb though so it may not work out unless you're still willing to pay full price.Thanks for the reply .

[Bobafett2k6]

Capcom week . ;)

Oh no you didn't just say that! ;)

[epsylon_Z1]

Oh no you didn't just say that! ;)We will see . ;)

[Bobafett2k6]

We will see . ;)

Stop it! Just stop it, damn you!

EDIT: Woot, 1000 posts without a ban!

[epsylon_Z1]

Well , i was wrong .

[Bobafett2k6]

Well , i was wrong .

Yeah, now i'm all disappointed :(

On a more serious note i would probably give Dungeons and Dragons a go at 75% off but i'm not weighing over £5 (at 50% off) for it this week.

[maxtorthelord]

Um, why are the new Fallout NV DLCs region restricted when the game and the other DLCs aren't?

[Patch517]

A 49 Metacritic scored game ends up being MM?

Eh, at least my pockets can take a break.

:rolleyes:

[Chapa9dj]

Daily Deal - Driver® Parallel Lines 66% off! (http://store.steampowered.com/app/21780/)

Awesome deal, buying this right now along with Courier's Stash and Gun Runners DLC. :D

[Gaugler323]

A 49 Metacritic scored game ends up being MM?

Eh, at least my pockets can take a break.

:rolleyes:

Last week they had 2 deals, but the few weeks before that they did not (only multiplay weekend deals)

I'm hoping they do more than that... 50% off of a crappy $15 game isn't much of a MWM deal. The Daily Deal is much better (Game and Discount)

[Bruno_Morais]

I need a opinion,is driver parallel lines good ?,story gameplay ?:O

[OmegaRed60]

Total War: Shogun 2 (http://store.steampowered.com/app/34330/) - Was $49.99 USD, now $29.99 USD.

Looks like anyone who missed the sale only has to pay a $5 late fee.

[JohnnyFronthole]

Still US$89.99 in Australia. Gotta love that an Aussie-developed game costs 3 times as much in Australia....

Irony ain't cheap, buddy.

[ericL]

Still US$89.99 in Australia. Gotta love that an Aussie-developed game costs 3 times as much in Australia....

That is so wrong-

[WNxFusionGamerX]

Driver: Parallel Lines - already have :)
FNV - Couriers Stash and Gun Runners Arsenel was insta buy, I can now start playing FNV the way it was meant to be played :)

Recommended - The Gundemonium Trilogy - 1st ever PS3 "exclusives" brought over to Steam plus 1st ever bullet hell genre games brought over to Steam, high sales on this means more PS3 game chances in the future...who wants Gran Turismo 5 on here? ^_^

Bonus entries - Nuclear Dawn and Shogun 2's Rise Of The Samurai DLC - I insta paid on both of these last month - HIGHLY recommended!

Waiting For - Rome 2 Total War ^_^

[Pheace]

Recommended - The Gundemonium Trilogy - 1st ever PS3 "exclusives" brought over to Steam plus 1st ever bullet hell genre games brought over to Steam

Don't know anything about this stuff but wasn't Jamestown a Bullet hell already?

[crunchyfrog555]

Recommended - The Gundemonium Trilogy - 1st ever PS3 "exclusives" brought over to Steam plus 1st ever bullet hell genre games brought over to Steam, high sales on this means more PS3 game chances in the future...who wants Gran Turismo 5 on here? ^_^



Erm, no.

Those games that also appear on PSN are third-party titles. Polyphony wouldn't be allowed, even if they were interested in porting it for PC, and I seriously doubt they'd have any interest in that whatsoever as what would be the point of having your own platform if not to maximize your profits by exclusivity?

Furthermore, Gundemonium collection are by no means the first PSN "exclusives" brought over. There are a whole host of other games that were here before that.

[crunchyfrog555]

I need a opinion,is driver parallel lines good ?,story gameplay ?:O

It's rather dull, to be brutally honest.

From what I remember when I last played it, the storyline was very uninteresting and gameplay was tedious and somewhat clunky.

Depends what you want, I suppose. If it's going for a couple of quid/dollars/whatever, maybe consider it as a reasonable gamble. Otherwise, save your cash.

[WNxFusionGamerX]

Don't know anything about this stuff but wasn't Jamestown a Bullet hell already?

I stand corrected, Jamestown was the 1st, but it did'nt portray itself as bullet hell based in the description. Personally I think Gundemonium will fare better, it's over the top crazy insane Japanese madness at it's finest.

If Steam truly wants bullet hell games try adding this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQZuidKexBQ

It's utterly cruel in what it does, and I mean worse than the ghosts and goblins series PLUS super meat boy combined!!!

[JohnnyFronthole]

If Steam truly wants bullet hell games try adding this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQZuidKexBQ

It's utterly cruel in what it does, and I mean worse than the ghosts and goblins series PLUS super meat boy combined!!!

How do you unknot your rec.tum after playing that?

[epsylon_Z1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQZuidKexBQ

My opinion : it looks boring .

[Gaugler323]

Dear Steam,

Stop putting RIFT on sale. Its not a deal @ $7.50 if it costs $15.00 a month after the first month.

If anything, they should just give a game of that caliber away for free and charge month-month only, therefore forcing the devs/publishers to make good games if they want to make any money.

Cheers.

[jello]

Dear Steam,

Stop putting RIFT on sale. Its not a deal @ $7.50 if it costs $15.00 a month after the first month.

If anything, they should just give a game of that caliber away for free and charge month-month only, therefore forcing the devs/publishers to make good games if they want to make any money.

Cheers.
So, you’d rather pay $15 instead of $7.50 for the first month... ’kay, your choice.

[Patch517]

So, you’d rather pay $15 instead of $7.50 for the first month... ’kay, your choice.

Pretty sure he means he's paying nothing.

Same as me.

[jello]

Pretty sure he means he's paying nothing.

Same as me.
Fair enough. If you don’t like [paid] MMOs, that’s also your choice.
But the complaining about Daily Deals, that just aren’ your cup o’ tea for whatever reason, is getting kind of ridiculous.

[epsylon_Z1]

Why do i have the feeling that we will have a free to play Red Orchestra 2 weekend deal on this week ?

[mikim]

You have a baaaad feeling about this.

[Gaugler323]

Pretty sure he means he's paying nothing.

Same as me.

Yeah, not for me today.

Fair enough. If you don’t like [paid] MMOs, that’s also your choice.
But the complaining about Daily Deals, that just aren’ your cup o’ tea for whatever reason, is getting kind of ridiculous.

"Oh no, not another crappy indie game on sale, how dare steam!!" No.. No.. A sales a sale, and $7.50 is better than $15. I would like to believe my complaint is a bit different than the normal "Is this a joke?" complaint. My complaint, isn't directed at Steam, because how much of their decisions comes from the Forum? 0.00001%.

My complaint, was aimed for other customers to see... Because that $7.50 is a bit misleading, when you take into account the $15.00/month to play after the first month. Its just something customers need to take into account. How long are you going to play this game? 3-months? Ok, then just so you know. You're now buying a $37.50 game instead of a $45 game.... Go beyond 3 months? It adds up.


I think most Steam customers... like to focus on the lots and lots of games that got on sale. That $15.00/month MMO's doesn't really let that happen, because when you're paying that price.. You feel obligated to play that game over others.

[Gaugler323]

Why do i have the feeling that we will have a free to play Red Orchestra 2 weekend deal on this week ?

Because TWI keeps talking about a possible Free Weekend, and by now they've worked out a lot of bugs.

Terrible, terrible weekend for this though. Why? A lot of people are already playing the BF3 beta and it hasn't even gone public yet. Tomorrow is going to be insane. I imagine I will be in waiting Queue's for most of my nights to get into a server.

RO2 isn't a bad game... but it really is when you could be playing BF3. And that is my own opinion, and for me and my preference of FPS gaming, its very true. If you disagree, that's right to do so.

[cryptload]

RIFT sale, again...

[crunchyfrog555]

Fair enough. If you don’t like [paid] MMOs, that’s also your choice.
But the complaining about Daily Deals, that just aren’ your cup o’ tea for whatever reason, is getting kind of ridiculous.

Absolutely agree with you.

I've made light of many gamers' lack of empathy, but I'm starting to feel that it isn't much of a joke after all.

How hard is it to appreciate that OTHERS might like the deal?

Complete and utter selfishness. I can't imagine what they're like in their day-to-day lives.

[Patch517]

Fair enough. If you don’t like [paid] MMOs, that’s also your choice.
But the complaining about Daily Deals, that just aren’ your cup o’ tea for whatever reason, is getting kind of ridiculous.

If you were referring to me, I wasn't complaining.

The only times I complain are when there's one of the hundreds Nancy Drew games as a daily deal :rolleyes:

[jello]

My complaint, was aimed for other customers to see... Because that $7.50 is a bit misleading, when you take into account the $15.00/month to play after the first month. Its just something customers need to take into account. How long are you going to play this game? 3-months? Ok, then just so you know. You're now buying a $37.50 game instead of a $45 game.... Go beyond 3 months? It adds up.


I think most Steam customers... like to focus on the lots and lots of games that got on sale. That $15.00/month MMO's doesn't really let that happen, because when you're paying that price.. You feel obligated to play that game over others.
Everyone who buys a game has the possibility to research the game they are [probably] going to buy. Having a look at the Steam category it’s filed in, tells you that it’s an MMO. Everyone should know by now that MMOs aren’t kept running by the price you initially pay. So, if someone tried the free 7-days period and thought “Well, it could be a month worth of entertainment, but not exactly for $15” then that’s a deal for them.
I don’t like [paid] MMOs much, either. But apparently they are the chosen kind of entertainment for some people, otherwise they wouldn’t be made constantly. Others like single-player games, others multi-player games. Why deny one of these groups their deals? Everyone knows how much they are going to spend on their entertainment—or at least, they should.

If you were referring to me, I wasn't complaining.
Not exactly to you or Gaugler323; more generally.

[crunchyfrog555]

My complaint, was aimed for other customers to see... Because that $7.50 is a bit misleading, when you take into account the $15.00/month to play after the first month. Its just something customers need to take into account. How long are you going to play this game? 3-months? Ok, then just so you know. You're now buying a $37.50 game instead of a $45 game.... Go beyond 3 months? It adds up.


I think most Steam customers... like to focus on the lots and lots of games that got on sale. That $15.00/month MMO's doesn't really let that happen, because when you're paying that price.. You feel obligated to play that game over others.



To be brutally honest, there is no way this is misleading in the slightest.

Any interested parties, whether they chose to research the game beforehand or not, would HAVE to go through the store page, and it clearly says there, bordered in bright orange, the following:


"Credit Card Required: A valid credit card is required to play this game, and additional, recurring subscription fees apply.

Notice: Access to the full RIFT game via downloadable client, and one (1) month subscription included for new accounts."

Now if they cannot see that, that really is their own fault.

[OmegaRed60]

I wouldn't bother with Rift. Most MMO's go free eventually. I guess they're just trying to squeeze out every last dime before that happens, then they'll add a cash shop to add nickels to those dimes ;)

[{Yotsuba}]

The only times I complain are when there's one of the hundreds Nancy Drew games as a daily deal

So you've only ever complained once about a daily deal?

[theGiver]

how many times has rift been on sale? it feels like its on sale almost every month ._.

[held]

I am curious about the Weekend Deal :D There are still some games I would like to see on sale. 1,5 hours left!

[epsylon_Z1]

I hope the daily deal will be Madballs in Babo:Invasion .

[jello]

BTW, Humble Frozen Synapse Bundle (http://www.humblebundle.com/). Redeemable on Steam.
And for more than the average, you’ll get the Frozenbyte Bundle, too.

[Missaglia]

PAM, Dungeon Siege & Bloodbowl - nice mix there.

[epsylon_Z1]

Oh well , another boring weekend for me . ( i hope GOG will offer something good tomorrow )

[Patch517]

Disappointed, was hoping for Civ 4 :rolleyes:

[Stressthesky]

Another weekend of games being lowered to reflect a reasonable price.

[{Yotsuba}]

Love how Valve are advertising the free weekend for PAM in Japan despite keeping the game regionally restricted here.

[OmegaRed60]

Oh well , another boring weekend for me . ( i hope GOG will offer something good tomorrow )

Gog has Broken Sword for absolutely free right now until October 1st. It's in celebration of their 6,000,000th download.

Hurry ;)

[epsylon_Z1]

Gog has Broken Sword for absolutely free right now until October 1st. It's in celebration of their 6,000,000th download.

Hurry ;)I already owned it before the celebration .

[Europhoria]

Love how Valve are advertising the free weekend for PAM in Japan despite keeping the game regionally restricted here.

Is it for all of Meridian's catalogue or just PAM?

[epsylon_Z1]

http://www.steamprices.com/us

Check out the " Recent regular price drops " section

They lowered the price of Total War: SHOGUN 2 , but only for the US . :mad:

[Aitkenj]

I hope the daily deal will be Madballs in Babo:Invasion .

You being serious? While it was a great game, its totally dead sadly.

[IvanDoomer]

You being serious? While it was a great game, its totally dead sadly.

what u means saying "totally dead"?

it's not a multiplayer focused game.

[Aitkenj]

it's not a multiplayer focused game.

It was do you not recall how much effort was put into trying to keep it alive with weekly skins and the like? Its based on co op 4 player campaign/survival or 8v8 DM/CTF. Single player is present but wasn't the developers main focus and for what its worth the single player was pretty mediocre.

[{Yotsuba}]

Is it for all of Meridian's catalogue or just PAM?

Just PAM. I'm pretty sure the restriction was originally due the game releasing around the time of the large earthquake here. However, according to DougV it's supposed to now be available to customers in Japan, but the restriction is still in place. Hopefully someone realises this and removes it before the weekend is over.

[kalirion]

It was do you not recall how much effort was put into trying to keep it alive with weekly skins and the like? Its based on co op 4 player campaign/survival or 8v8 DM/CTF. Single player is present but wasn't the developers main focus and for what its worth the single player was pretty mediocre.

I beat the single player campaign with both factions and enjoyed it. Never touched the multiplayer as I'm not much of a MP gamer.

[WeStRacer]

I so want the big steam sale again. When it possible?

[mulderzero]

Around christmas will be the next big sale ;)

[nofing]

Around christmas will be the next big sale ;)

There could as well be another big Halloween sale and even sth prior to the End of Year sale, like last years Treasure Hunt.
Those two weren't as big as the Summer and End of Year sales, but still way bigger than the usual stuff.

[WNxFusionGamerX]

Remaining sales for Steam - Halloween (with scary seal mascot), Black Friday (with evil seal mascot) and the giant madness that is of course the xmas and new years insanity (with xmas hat seal mascot) ^_^

Gotta love that seal :)

[Gaugler323]

Remaining sales for Steam - Halloween (with scary seal mascot), Black Friday (with evil seal mascot) and the giant madness that is of course the xmas and new years insanity (with xmas hat seal mascot) ^_^

Gotta love that seal :)

Really hoping for a L4D2 and Killing Floor sale to buy 23423 copies for friends...

And Dead Rising for me.

[Gaugler323]

Transformers is really good. Highly recommend playing the fun Single Player (MP is near dead).

Hoping we're having a repeat of 2 weeks ago when Friday and Saturday both had 2 really good games (Darksiders/Mirror's Edge)..

Unfortunately I own all 3 of those games... I'm looking for MP game sales to buy for friends.

[crunchyfrog555]

Really hoping for a L4D2 and Killing Floor sale to buy 23423 copies for friends...

And Dead Rising for me.

When the major sales - such as over the Christmas period - come around, you can almost guarantee that the likes of L4D2 and Killing Floor will be in there.

[Europhoria]

Transformers is really good. Highly recommend playing the fun Single Player (MP is near dead).

Hoping we're having a repeat of 2 weeks ago when Friday and Saturday both had 2 really good games (Darksiders/Mirror's Edge)..

Unfortunately I own all 3 of those games... I'm looking for MP game sales to buy for friends.

So one of the Transformers games is on sale. That would explain why nothing appeared and why I didn't see 10000 posts on why the daily is late.

[jello]

So one of the Transformers games is on sale. That would explain why nothing appeared and why I didn't see 10000 posts on why the daily is late.
Because no-one really cares? :D

[epsylon_Z1]

Should i preorder Saints Row The Third for $20 (http://www.amazon.com/Saints-Row-Preorder-Test-Download/dp/B005K1QSUK/ref=zg_bs_2445220011_13) ?

[kalirion]

BTW, Humble Frozen Synapse Bundle (http://www.humblebundle.com/). Redeemable on Steam.
And for more than the average, you’ll get the Frozenbyte Bundle, too.

Already have Frozenbyte bundle. Maybe I'll pay $2 for Frozen Synapse, since it'd get me two games I'm not all that interested in...

[crunchyfrog555]

Should i preorder Saints Row The Third for $20 (http://www.amazon.com/Saints-Row-Preorder-Test-Download/dp/B005K1QSUK/ref=zg_bs_2445220011_13) ?

I'd have to ask you, did you play the last one? And did you enjoy it, if so?

If you did, then maybe yes, it's not a bad purchase for you.

But generally speaking, I wouldn't bother. It's sadly quite a tired game now, and they've run out of ideas in my opinion. Saints Row 2 was bad, and I feel this game is in some ways better, but in many worse. It's certainly more dull.

In summary, it might be better for you to wait until it drops in price considerably, which I feel won't be long. Even if the game were good, it's release date is up against some really big hitters (although in other genres, but that is irrelevant as far as sales go) so I've no doubt it will get lost in the rush, and come down in price, even if the game were better than it actually is.

[epsylon_Z1]

I'd have to ask you, did you play the last one? And did you enjoy it, if so?

If you did, then maybe yes, it's not a bad purchase for you.

But generally speaking, I wouldn't bother. It's sadly quite a tired game now, and they've run out of ideas in my opinion. Saints Row 2 was bad, and I feel this game is in some ways better, but in many worse. It's certainly more dull.

In summary, it might be better for you to wait until it drops in price considerably, which I feel won't be long. Even if the game were good, it's release date is up against some really big hitters (although in other genres, but that is irrelevant as far as sales go) so I've no doubt it will get lost in the rush, and come down in price, even if the game were better than it actually is.

Thank you for the reply .

[crunchyfrog555]

Thank you for the reply .

No problem. I get quite a few games sent to me early (one of the perks of being a gaming journalist), so even if my pieces aren't used, I'm glad that in situations such as this it can still be of use.

[ThomNG]

Most of Nordic Games products (former JoWooD/DreamCatcher ones) were updated to a lower price level: http://store.steampowered.com/publisher/Nordic%20Games

[epsylon_Z1]

(one of the perks of being a gaming journalist)May i ask where do you work ? ( website , or printed media )

[held]

I would like to see CIV IV Complete Pack on Sale again. Missed it once.

[Patch517]

I would like to see CIV IV Complete Pack on Sale again. Missed it once.

Same, hopefully it's in the xmas sale along with Civ V GOTY :D

[held]

Same, hopefully it's in the xmas sale along with Civ V GOTY :D

Last Xmas it was about 75% off, but I hope I can wait for it.

[KETRO_o]

Same, hopefully it's in the xmas sale along with Civ V GOTY :D

I didn't buy it on last sale because i'm waiting for the goty i guess we will really have it on sale on xmas.

[Pheace]

I would like to see CIV IV Complete Pack on Sale again. Missed it once.

If you don't have it yet I think you missed it a lot more than once xD

[crunchyfrog555]

May i ask where do you work ? ( website , or printed media )

I used to primarily work for the Official UK Playstation Magazine and other Future Publishing titles (freelance). I've diversified to many websites and other print media as well (including local papers). These days I've cut down a lot, due to health and other commitments, but I still crop up from time to time.

Although these days, it' mostly depends on what I get sent and whether I feel it worthwhile ;)

[epsylon_Z1]

I wonder if the publishers will release these in this year :

Warhammer 40000 Dawn of War II Platinum Edition
Total War : Shogun 2 GOTY Edition

[nofing]

Warhammer 40000 Dawn of War II Platinum Edition - I don't think so. I think they're going to do more DLC for Retribution. Seems like the chapter skin packs are selling quite well.
Total War : Shogun 2 GOTY Edition - Possibly, but to be honest, I think it's too early for that.

[epsylon_Z1]

off topic
Which one is worth more ( for the single player part )
Starcraft 2 or Dawn of War 2 collection ?

[Europhoria]

They are both quite different to each other. I liked both to be honest, enough to finish them. Well I haven't played Chaos Rising or Retribution yet though. Honestly I can't pick between them.

[OmegaRed60]

off topic
Which one is worth more ( for the single player part )
Starcraft 2 or Dawn of War 2 collection ?

Well since Starcraft 2 is one game with two more expansions on the way, it isn't really an equal comparison.

DoW2 collection would be all three games I assume. All three have their own campaigns. Retribution has more campaigns to choose from though since you can select different factions, but it's essentially the same campaign just told from each army's perspective.

I'll just guess DoW2 is of more content since there is the looting etc. while playing and no worry of base building unless you're into that.

[nofing]

It really depends, which kind of games you prefer.

Starcraft 2 is a base building RTS. Basically like Starcraft 1, with some changes (improvements) like more varied missions, consistend upgrades and the ability to choose, which mission you want to do first, not doing some missions at all or sometimes choosing between two completely different ways to go into a mission (like for example kill all possibly infected humans or help them).

Dawn of War 2 is a mix of RPG and RTS elements. No base building.
You equip your heroes/squads with different weapons and armors and spend points on skills, in between missions, just like in an RPG.
In DoW2 and Chaos Rising you can take 4 heroes with their squads, into each mission and use more advanced tactics, like suppressing fire, cover system or the skills of your heroes to bring down your enemies.
In Retribution you can play with 4 heroes as well, but you can also opt for recruiting more units, which makes it slightly more messy, but you still need to use those advanced tactics, if you want to win.

I like both, but if I had to choose between those two games, I would take Starcraft 2, just because the singleplayer campaign offers more variety. The missions in DoW2 sometimes feel a little repetitive (same problem DoW1 already had) and in Retribution all campaigns (of the different factions) are almost exactly the same.

[epsylon_Z1]

It really depends, which kind of games you prefer.

Starcraft 2 is a base building RTS. Basically like Starcraft 1, with some changes (improvements) like more varied missions, consistend upgrades and the ability to choose, which mission you want to do first, not doing some missions at all or sometimes choosing between two completely different ways to go into a mission (like for example kill all possibly infected humans or help them).

Dawn of War 2 is a mix of RPG and RTS elements. No base building.
You equip your heroes/squads with different weapons and armors and spend points on skills, in between missions, just like in an RPG.
In DoW2 and Chaos Rising you can take 4 heroes with their squads, into each mission and use more advanced tactics, like suppressing fire, cover system or the skills of your heroes to bring down your enemies.
In Retribution you can play with 4 heroes as well, but you can also opt for recruiting more units, which makes it slightly more messy, but you still need to use those advanced tactics, if you want to win.

I like both, but if I had to choose between those two games, I would take Starcraft 2, just because the singleplayer campaign offers more variety. The missions in DoW2 sometimes feel a little repetitive (same problem DoW1 already had) and in Retribution all campaigns (of the different factions) are almost exactly the same.I prefer base building .

[Europhoria]

I prefer base building .

Check out the DoW II demo to see if you like it if all else fails.

[ericL]

I would like to see CIV IV Complete Pack on Sale again. Missed it once.

Beware. Once you buy it, you get the stain that is the horrible bug of the duplicated civ iv expansions wich will soil and posion your entire steam library. And dont expect any help whatsoever from the so called 'support' that valve supposedly have. They just say its working as intended OR that they are working to fix this issue. But bear in mind (?) that this issue has been there for over 12 months and its not looking to get fixed in the nearest 1000 years. And yeah you can make a "steam fail" category, but this will only disable this plague while in normal/details view; once you step into grid view (wich i see no reason for anyone ever to do due to the fact that you cant even add grid images for non steam games so instead of grid view looking awesome it looks fkn disgusting) you will see this duplicated ♥♥♥♥ again and it will ocd you until death!






TL;DR - Don't ever buy 'Sid Meiers Civilization IV" on Steam. EVER.

[jello]

[stupid rant]
You only have to install Beyond the Sword to get the latest and all content, and use the “Installed” instead of “All Games” views to hide Civ4 and Warlords. So, yeah, it’s working as intended. And if you don’t have bigger complaints about Steam, then I think they are doing a very good job.

[held]

Beware. Once you buy it, you get the stain that is the horrible bug of the duplicated civ iv expansions wich will soil and posion your entire steam library. And dont expect any help whatsoever from the so called 'support' that valve supposedly have. They just say its working as intended OR that they are working to fix this issue. But bear in mind (?) that this issue has been there for over 12 months and its not looking to get fixed in the nearest 1000 years. And yeah you can make a "steam fail" category, but this will only disable this plague while in normal/details view; once you step into grid view (wich i see no reason for anyone ever to do due to the fact that you cant even add grid images for non steam games so instead of grid view looking awesome it looks fkn disgusting) you will see this duplicated ♥♥♥♥ again and it will ocd you until death!






TL;DR - Don't ever buy 'Sid Meiers Civilization IV" on Steam. EVER.

What do you mean with duplicated hearts?

[Pheace]

What do you mean with duplicated hearts?

Basically Civ 4 + the expansions show up twice in your Library, 3 for the PC version and 3 for the Mac version.

[held]

Basically Civ 4 + the expansions show up twice in your Library, 3 for the PC version and 3 for the Mac version.

Well, that's no problem for me, because I am using Windows and Mac OS :D

[crunchyfrog555]

Basically Civ 4 + the expansions show up twice in your Library, 3 for the PC version and 3 for the Mac version.

No!! Surely not! That's disgusting.

No wonder he's so annoyed ...

(Can anyone spot any sarcasm in this post?)


When I see sanctimonious nonsense like that from Held, I have to wonder if they have unaddressed issues such as OCD. One also wonders if that causes them to burst a blood vessel, heaven forbid what it'll be like when they get older and maybe get a wrong electric bill or an incorrect tax-disc or something.

[nofing]

I prefer base building .

Well, your choice should be easy then ;)
If I was you, I would consider waiting until Heart of the Swarm is released, since the price for SC2 still seems to be the same, like when it was released.

Oh and I agree with Euphoria, you should definitely try the demo of DoW2. It's really a great game, even if you usually prefer base building.

[ericL]

Fanboy coming to defence


Are you being serious? This is not in ANYWAY working at all as intended.

[ericL]

No!! Surely not! That's disgusting.

No wonder he's so annoyed ...

(Can anyone spot any sarcasm in this post?)


When I see sanctimonious nonsense like that from Held, I have to wonder if they have unaddressed issues such as OCD. One also wonders if that causes them to burst a blood vessel, heaven forbid what it'll be like when they get older and maybe get a wrong electric bill or an incorrect tax-disc or something.

clearly off topic. The client is broken. Its been reported. Not solved. Valve do not care about the quality of their products.

[Europhoria]

Well, your choice should be easy then ;)
If I was you, I would consider waiting until Heart of the Swarm is released, since the price for SC2 still seems to be the same, like when it was released.

Oh and I agree with Euphoria, you should definitely try the demo of DoW2. It's really a great game, even if you usually prefer base building.

Blizzard titles have the unfortunate habit of retaining a higher price point for a far greater time than most.

[Pheace]

The client is broken.

Remember to call the ambulance when you're dying from a broken toenail.

[nofing]

Blizzard titles have the unfortunate habit of retaining a higher price point for a far greater time than most.

To be honest and a lot of people here will probably want to kill me for saying this, but I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing.
I can buy a Blizzard game on release and don't have to worry, that the price will be halfed after just a couple of months or even weeks.
With other games I constantly get the feeling I got ripped off. Buy it for 33% off during a sale, the week after it gets a permanent price drop of 50%.

[epsylon_Z1]

Check out the DoW II demo to see if you like it if all else fails.I don't have to . Watched enough gameplay videos and read gamer reviews . I will pass it . Sorry .

[crunchyfrog555]

To be honest and a lot of people here will probably want to kill me for saying this, but I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing.
I can buy a Blizzard game on release and don't have to worry, that the price will be halfed after just a couple of months or even weeks.
With other games I constantly get the feeling I got ripped off. Buy it for 33% off during a sale, the week after it gets a permanent price drop of 50%.

Well, if you're so aware of that happening, I have to ask the obvious question - why don't you just wait?

It's been apparent to me for a long time, so I wait, and in doing so I can then buy 10 games instead of 3, which then give me more to play. So, that's longer until I need to buy another game, and so on. Although I've taken it to some extremes as I'm still buying but have a backlog of over a thousand games to finish (that's far less than 10% of my collection though).

No offence intended, but when something's that apparent, AND it bothers you, then answer is patently obvious.

[jello]

Are you being serious? This is not in ANYWAY working at all as intended.
That each Civ4 add-on is listed on its own is simply because they were released before the DLC system was introduced. Changing this afterwards should be possible but since they haven’t done it yet, it’s obviously not as easy as one might think. So, yeah, each game is listed separately and hence it works as intended. That the PC and Mac versions are listed separately is unfortunate, but likely has its own reasons.
But, really, if you have that big a problem with one game showing two entries for different versions, do a reality check please. And please, don’t ever buy Overlord and Raising Hell on Steam, or you might seriously harm yourself. :rolleyes:

[nofing]

Well, if you're so aware of that happening, I have to ask the obvious question - why don't you just wait?

It's been apparent to me for a long time, so I wait, and in doing so I can then buy 10 games instead of 3, which then give me more to play. So, that's longer until I need to buy another game, and so on. Although I've taken it to some extremes as I'm still buying but have a backlog of over a thousand games to finish (that's far less than 10% of my collection though).

No offence intended, but when something's that apparent, AND it bothers you, then answer is patently obvious.

Ok, a backlog of 1000 games... man you've got some serious problems and I'm not joking about this.

I don't say it's all bad, I mean you can get some cheap games, which you wouldn't have tried otherwise. But my experience is, that most of those games I didn't really enjoy.
Back in the time, I played 100 of hours of the same few games I had, now I've got so many games, that I only play through them once and then don't even bother anymore.

Well, maybe you've got it all figured out, but I'm very often surprised at how fast games drop in price (Duke Nukem for only $10 after a couple of weeks) or at how long it takes for the price to drop (Divinity 2: Ego Draconis is still $50 and had only a single 50% price drop, that I can remember).

Oh and I just want to add, that this, sometimes rapid, price drop effectively killed most of the multiplayer games, just because most people wait until it goes on (a 75%) sale, at which point the game is already dead.

[crunchyfrog555]

Ok, a backlog of 1000 games... man you've got some serious problems and I'm not joking about this.

I don't say it's all bad, I mean you can get some cheap games, which you wouldn't have tried otherwise. But my experience is, that most of those games I didn't really enjoy.
Back in the time, I played 100 of hours of the same few games I had, now I've got so many games, that I only play through them once and then don't even bother anymore.

Well, maybe you've got it all figured out, but I'm very often surprised at how fast games drop in price (Duke Nukem for only $10 after a couple of weeks) or at how long it takes for the price to drop (Divinity 2: Ego Draconis is still $50 and had only a single 50% price drop, that I can remember).

Oh and I just want to add, that this, sometimes rapid, price drop effectively killed most of the multiplayer games, just because most people wait until it goes on (a 75%) sale, at which point the game is already dead.

Well, I can assure you I have no problem at all. I could counter that you have a slight problem there by making bold and sweeping assumptions. Despite the obvious size of my collection, it is well-managed. Note that I said that amount is still under 10% of total collection.

Of course, it's foolish to suggest such things when you don't know my circumstances either. Officially, I'm retired, so I get an awful lot of time to play, added to the small matter of being partially disabled, so a lot of the time is spent home- or bed-bound. Also, I've been a freelance gaming journalist for some years, and still write the odd piece when I feel like it. I still get sent a fair amount of games because of this as well.

But you're barking up the wrong tree if you think rapid price drops kill off multiplayer. That's completely untrue. I think you're seeing some instances of multiplayer dropping off AND the inevitable price drops in many games because they're not that good. Certainly in many cases, a price drop generates more online players. There are any number of threads with comments from devs and even Valve themselves mentioning this.

One only has to look at last weekend and the Company of Heroes sale - so many were sold that they ran out of keys, and sure enough when that matter was sorted, the online servers gave up!

f course, as far as online play goes, it's not a big thing to me. I still play MP, but not as much as single-player, just as the majority of gamers. I personally tend to think that unless a game's multiplayer "life" continues on for some time, then it's not that great a game in most cases. I've seen many a post from people on here who subscribe to that maxim too.

But anyway, if you do still seriously think I have a problem, I'm curious if you'd be kind enough to let me know what you think the problem is.

[serieus1]

If you buy something and you value what you bought then the value you paid for it should have been the value you gave it. Right?

If you buy something and you think it sucks, then I'd understand that you feel that it's not worth the value you initially gave it.

Or, if you bought something that you really do enjoy and then are angry because the actual value drops then maybe your judgement of perceived value is incorrect.

I don't get those who complain that TF2 went F2P, or those who complain about price drops. Everything drops in price, it's the way the market works, unless it's an antique of some kind. You should purchase things based on your perceived value not actual value. The actual value is there to see if it matches or is less than your perceived value, then and only then do you make a purchase.

[nofing]

Well, I can assure you I have no problem at all. I could counter that you have a slight problem there by making bold and sweeping assumptions. Despite the obvious size of my collection, it is well-managed. Note that I said that amount is still under 10% of total collection.

Of course, it's foolish to suggest such things when you don't know my circumstances either. Officially, I'm retired, so I get an awful lot of time to play, added to the small matter of being partially disabled, so a lot of the time is spent home- or bed-bound. Also, I've been a freelance gaming journalist for some years, and still write the odd piece when I feel like it. I still get sent a fair amount of games because of this as well.

But you're barking up the wrong tree if you think rapid price drops kill off multiplayer. That's completely untrue. I think you're seeing some instances of multiplayer dropping off AND the inevitable price drops in many games because they're not that good. Certainly in many cases, a price drop generates more online players. There are any number of threads with comments from devs and even Valve themselves mentioning this.

One only has to look at last weekend and the Company of Heroes sale - so many were sold that they ran out of keys, and sure enough when that matter was sorted, the online servers gave up!

f course, as far as online play goes, it's not a big thing to me. I still play MP, but not as much as single-player, just as the majority of gamers. I personally tend to think that unless a game's multiplayer "life" continues on for some time, then it's not that great a game in most cases. I've seen many a post from people on here who subscribe to that maxim too.

But anyway, if you do still seriously think I have a problem, I'm curious if you'd be kind enough to let me know what you think the problem is.

I really don't want to talk about your gaming habits. I agree, that the fact, that you are/were a gaming journalist changes the impact of your given numbers a little bit. Just sth to think about, if you take your 9000 played games and assume you're playing/finishing an average of one game per day, then this would take you 24.66 years to do...
But as I said, I really don't care how many games you have and how much you play, I was just a little surprised about this massive number.

Talking about multiplayer games... sure there will be a short influx of players during a sale, but that doesn't change the fact, that a lot of players won't buy the game at release, because they're waiting for that sale and let's face it, the first couple of weeks/months are the time, when it's decided, if the game has a solid player base or not. If a game doesn't have one, every new player will stop playing after a few hours.
The quality of the game is not that important, in this regard. There are a lot of great games, with dead multiplayer and on the other hand a lot of bad games, where the multiplayer is very much alive.

I don't know, if you have some facts, that I don't have, but assuming, that the majority of gamers play singleplayer games and not multiplayer seems very far fetched.

If you buy something and you value what you bought then the value you paid for it should have been the value you gave it. Right?

If you buy something and you think it sucks, then I'd understand that you feel that it's not worth the value you initially gave it.

Or, if you bought something that you really do enjoy and then are angry because the actual value drops then maybe your judgement of perceived value is incorrect.

I don't get those who complain that TF2 went F2P, or those who complain about price drops. Everything drops in price, it's the way the market works, unless it's an antique of some kind. You should purchase things based on your perceived value not actual value. The actual value is there to see if it matches or is less than your perceived value, then and only then do you make a purchase.

So, if you go to a care dealer and buy a new car and the next day this exact car dealer sells the same car you bought for 50% off, without telling you the day before (because he obviously knew that would happen) or giving you the same discount, you wouldn't be angry about that?
Of course that's how business works, but no other industry (none I could think of) has prices falling as rapidly and as (sometimes) unforseeable as the gaming industry.

[held]

Runaway looks good, but I wait for the Pendulo Adventure Pack (http://store.steampowered.com/sub/7838/) Sale.

[serieus1]

So, if you go to a care dealer and buy a new car and the next day this exact car dealer sells the same car you bought for 50% off, without telling you the day before (because he obviously knew that would happen) or giving you the same discount, you wouldn't be angry about that?
Of course that's how business works, but no other industry (none I could think of) has prices falling as rapidly and as (sometimes) unforseeable as the gaming industry.

Did you need a car or not? If you did then you could start your job the day they stopped hiring. How fortunate that you bought a vehicle. Now it's 50% off, but the job you wanted isn't hiring any longer. See, you need to place value in what you purchased. If the value is what you need at the time, then it's worth every penny you spend. Everything falls in price, well almost everything, so you can either wait forever, or pay the value you think it's worth.

[slap chop]

Did you need a car or not? If you did then you could start your job the day they stopped hiring. How fortunate that you bought a vehicle. Now it's 50% off, but the job you wanted isn't hiring any longer. See, you need to place value in what you purchased. If the value is what you need at the time, then it's worth every penny you spend. Everything falls in price, well almost everything, so you can either wait forever, or pay the value you think it's worth.

I agree, As the buyer, we set a price which is reasonable for us to buy at personally; people with large income might find it is reasonable at $60 a game and some may find it reasonable to purchase at $10 after several days,months or years. Each person has a different thresholds of buy in in which it seems reasonable.

[newuser]

Midweek Madness -- Portal 2 + free DLC - 50% off (http://store.steampowered.com/app/620/).

[Patch517]

Midweek Madness -- Portal 2 + free DLC - 50% off (http://store.steampowered.com/app/620/).

I knew it :p

[xruiner89]

Maybe Fallout: New Vegas + DLC will be 50% off as it is on Xbox Live apparently today.

[marciohuser]

Although they stated wednesday, the DLC is already downloaded and working over here. YAY. Nice new chambers :)

[Patch517]

Crysis and Portal 2 on the same day you say?

Take my money. Just shut up and take it.

[epsylon_Z1]

I'm bored .

[HoosTrax]

Crysis and Portal 2 on the same day you say?

Take my money. Just shut up and take it.
Good thing I already own the DVD version of Crysis (Maximum Edition), or they'd be fleecing me for $25 instead of just $15 :cool:...

[WNxFusionGamerX]

Crysis - worthless since your collection would be deemed incomplete as Crysis 2 was removed. (assuming you never got the 2nd)

Portal 2 - STOLE the mid week madness slot! Been there done that, got no interest in that DLC even if it IS free!

*sigh*

*continues wishlist waiting*

[soviet_sharkey]

Crysis 2 is meh so who would really care bout not having that

[Bobafett2k6]

Oh... You again...

Crysis - worthless since your collection would be deemed incomplete as Crysis 2 was removed. (assuming you never got the 2nd)

So because the sequel isn't available on Steam then the original is worthless? Grow up man.

Portal 2 - STOLE the mid week madness slot! Been there done that, got no interest in that DLC even if it IS free!

You're not interested but i bet it hit's the top 3 sellers list.

[Patch517]

You're not interested but i bet it hit's the top 3 sellers list.

It's top right now...

[HoosTrax]

*checks clock*

2 hours into Midweek Madness / Daily Deal and Portal 2 has already overtaken Rage for the #1 spot for top revenue for the day, and Crysis Maximum is probably about to do the same any minute now :eek:.

[JMantis]

Great deals! Definitely grabbing Portal 2 seeing as I already have Crysis and Warhead but those are great games for that price!

[crunchyfrog555]

Oh... You again...



So because the sequel isn't available on Steam then the original is worthless? Grow up man.



You're not interested but i bet it hit's the top 3 sellers list.

Funny, but the only reminder I need of each Midweek Madness sale is the disgruntled "I'm not interested in it, ergo it's crap" post from Fusion Gamer.

If there's one thing he's good at, it's being an alarm clock :)

[manicminer]

Funny, but the only reminder I need of each Midweek Madness sale is the disgruntled "I'm not interested in it, ergo it's crap" post from Fusion Gamer.


I'm not interested in it as I already have Crysis + Warhead and Portal 1+2 in my library, ergo it's crap!. lol.

[serieus1]

This is tough. Why must I finish all of my games? I think I'll pass though. Crysis has been on sale numerous times and I anticipate it will again for sure, especially in the large summer/winter sales (if they ever happen again).

Portal 2? Nah, not really, I usually don't spend more than $10 on a game unless it's a brand new indie game. Still though these deals will be tempting till they expire.

[crunchyfrog555]

I really don't want to talk about your gaming habits. I agree, that the fact, that you are/were a gaming journalist changes the impact of your given numbers a little bit. Just sth to think about, if you take your 9000 played games and assume you're playing/finishing an average of one game per day, then this would take you 24.66 years to do...
But as I said, I really don't care how many games you have and how much you play, I was just a little surprised about this massive number.

Talking about multiplayer games... sure there will be a short influx of players during a sale, but that doesn't change the fact, that a lot of players won't buy the game at release, because they're waiting for that sale and let's face it, the first couple of weeks/months are the time, when it's decided, if the game has a solid player base or not. If a game doesn't have one, every new player will stop playing after a few hours.
The quality of the game is not that important, in this regard. There are a lot of great games, with dead multiplayer and on the other hand a lot of bad games, where the multiplayer is very much alive.

I don't know, if you have some facts, that I don't have, but assuming, that the majority of gamers play singleplayer games and not multiplayer seems very far fetched.



So, if you go to a care dealer and buy a new car and the next day this exact car dealer sells the same car you bought for 50% off, without telling you the day before (because he obviously knew that would happen) or giving you the same discount, you wouldn't be angry about that?
Of course that's how business works, but no other industry (none I could think of) has prices falling as rapidly and as (sometimes) unforseeable as the gaming industry.
That's fair enough about my gaming habits. I only took exception to your comment about "you have problems", when I don't (as you were unaware of my circumstances). It was a foolish thing to say. Just as a matter of course, I did say that my unfinished gamer were WELL UNDER 10% of the whole, so it doesn't equate to 9,000 finished games. It's more 30,000, but that's besides the point. Games don't take me anywhere that length to finish in any case, because of the unreasonable amounts of time I have to play.

The matter of the majority of ALL gamers playing single player versus multiplayer is not far fetched at all. There's a whole host of statistic0s from decent places such as the University of Washington, and some of the major surveys which are not just taken from eminent major surveys, but from sales figures, play habits, etc.

Now if it were a close-run thing, then it wouldn't be worth the mention (as statistics should only ever be used to guide, nothing more), but they're not. I don't doubt multiplayer still keeps gradually growing, and that some games are all about multiplayer. But the matter remains across ALL games, multiplayer is very much the comparative minority.

[nofing]

That's fair enough about my gaming habits. I only took exception to your comment about "you have problems", when I don't (as you were unaware of my circumstances). It was a foolish thing to say. Just as a matter of course, I did say that my unfinished gamer were WELL UNDER 10% of the whole, so it doesn't equate to 9,000 finished games. It's more 30,000, but that's besides the point. Games don't take me anywhere that length to finish in any case, because of the unreasonable amounts of time I have to play.

The matter of the majority of ALL gamers playing single player versus multiplayer is not far fetched at all. There's a whole host of statistic0s from decent places such as the University of Washington, and some of the major surveys which are not just taken from eminent major surveys, but from sales figures, play habits, etc.

Now if it were a close-run thing, then it wouldn't be worth the mention (as statistics should only ever be used to guide, nothing more), but they're not. I don't doubt multiplayer still keeps gradually growing, and that some games are all about multiplayer. But the matter remains across ALL games, multiplayer is very much the comparative minority.

I'm sorry, I realise now, that it was foolish of me to think, I could engage in a serious conversation on the Steam forums.
30000 finished games... of course you did!
It's funny how you always manage to have those official sources, which you mention in almost every conversation, but you never link to any of them.
Just by looking at the current "Top games by current player count" on Steam (at time of writing):

Current Players / Peak Today - Game
35,834 / 60,862 - Counter-Strike
33,164 / 43,628 - Team Fortress 2
32,763 / 54,885 - Counter-Strike: Source
16,792 / 29,614 - Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 - Multiplayer
10,756 / 18,312 - Sid Meier's Civilization V
10,407 / 20,124 - Football Manager 2011
10,166 / 18,309 - Call of Duty Black Ops - Multiplayer
5,131 / 9,133 - Left 4 Dead 2
4,952 / 9,573 - Portal 2
4,108 / 7,357 - Total War SHOGUN 2

6 of those games are multiplayer only and the other 4 games all have a multiplayer component, so it's save to assume, that a fair amount of those players are playing multiplayer as well.

I won't engage in any more arguments about this topic, because it is off topic and as I said, it's quite useless to continue.

[Bruno_Morais]

maybe portal2 is gonna to be 75% in chisrtmas no ?
if not its a instant buy for me

[crunchyfrog555]

I'm sorry, I realise now, that it was foolish of me to think, I could engage in a serious conversation on the Steam forums.
30000 finished games... of course you did!
It's funny how you always manage to have those official sources, which you mention in almost every conversation, but you never link to any of them.
Just by looking at the current "Top games by current player count" on Steam (at time of writing):

Current Players / Peak Today - Game
35,834 / 60,862 - Counter-Strike
33,164 / 43,628 - Team Fortress 2
32,763 / 54,885 - Counter-Strike: Source
16,792 / 29,614 - Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 - Multiplayer
10,756 / 18,312 - Sid Meier's Civilization V
10,407 / 20,124 - Football Manager 2011
10,166 / 18,309 - Call of Duty Black Ops - Multiplayer
5,131 / 9,133 - Left 4 Dead 2
4,952 / 9,573 - Portal 2
4,108 / 7,357 - Total War SHOGUN 2

6 of those games are multiplayer only and the other 4 games all have a multiplayer component, so it's save to assume, that a fair amount of those players are playing multiplayer as well.

I won't engage in any more arguments about this topic, because it is off topic and as I said, it's quite useless to continue.

Firstly I cannot link to University of Washington (or any of the others) simply because they're not internet sources. Or more appropriately, they may be there, but I'm not aware of the links. Ergo, I cannot give you what I do not know.

That's a terrible assumption about multiplayer.

Firstly not all game players are Steam players, or even PC-based.

And more importantly, just because those games have multiplayer components you cannot assume that people play them.

I own a lot of those games - does that mean I've played them multiplayer? So, to use your words, it is not "safe" to assume anything.

Of course, if you want to find those sources, be my guest. I'm sure you're quite capable of using the internet. Even if you can't find the precise data, I'm sure you can find out how to get them, if it bothers you so.

There is one universal fact you should bear in mind though. Of all games, multiplayer games produced are less than single-player (even the likes of Wikipedia agree with that). So, would you think that developers cater for the market?

Small point - scoffing at 30,000 finished games - are you implying I don't have them? Of course I cannot prove that I have finished them, but there are a number of pictures of some of my collection up linked here on these forums themselves, if you care to look.

If you're not scoffing, then I'm unsure of what you're trying to do, apart from being facetious.

[epsylon_Z1]

The new Portal 2 DLC ( as for the single player part ) is worthless . I was expecting something new from Valve .

[Europhoria]

maybe portal2 is gonna to be 75% in chisrtmas no ?
if not its a instant buy for me

Might be, might not be. I wouldn't be surprised if it was 50% off again unless it comes up as a daily deal. I honestly don't know what discounts were applied to the majority of Valve games last sale since I already have all of them bar one. I'll wager it will receive a 66% discount as a daily deal next sale period.

[serieus1]

Of course, if you want to find those sources, be my guest. I'm sure you're quite capable of using the internet. Even if you can't find the precise data, I'm sure you can find out how to get them, if it bothers you so.

You may have trapped yourself in that comment. If you look for what you want to find on the internet, you're bound to find it. Now doing using critical thinking while doing a search may get you the facts, it still again may find you the support to support your bias. The internet is so full of crap and so many beautiful things and so many facts that it's hard to filter unless try to lose the bias.

So nofing can easily find what he wants to support his argument with you. Makes for horrible papers to read in college I tell you, since people don't read or search, they find what they are looking for and quote it.

As for the argument itself, I personally enjoy single player games more. kind of the same reason I don't have a TV because most shows never end, I'd rather just watch a movie. I like to have a story for what I'm doing, unless it's a puzzle game. I want an introduction, character development, conflict and then a climax and conclusion. You don't really get those things in an MP game, it's too dynamic to be able to do that.

I still play a bit of MP, but only when I want to waste time, not when I want to do some serious gaming.

[held]

ஜ۩۞۩ஜ DAILY DEAL ஜ۩۞۩ஜ
Broken Sword Series 50% off (http://store.steampowered.com/sub/6447/)

ஜ۩۞۩ஜ WEEKEND DEAL ஜ۩۞۩ஜ
Fable III and all DLCs 66% off (http://store.steampowered.com/app/105400/)

[soviet_sharkey]

FUUUUUUUUUUUU was bout buy Witcher 2 then sale goes
but
must
buy
ANYWAYS

[Johnny2M]

Oh, look, its Fable 3..

This item is currently unavailable in your region

Oki doki. I will save my money for something better.

[epsylon_Z1]

Broken Sword – Shadow of the Templars: The Directors Cut was free on GOG .

[Patch517]

YAAAWN (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mG2I-o3yUA)

[soviet_sharkey]

Yay it seems the reason I missed Witcher 2 sale (credit card company putting hold on Steam buying) hasn't changed despite me telling them to stop the hold
♥♥♥♥ing banks
also 1000 post yay?

[epsylon_Z1]

Yay it seems the reason I missed Witcher 2 sale (credit card company putting hold on Steam buying) hasn't changed despite me telling them to stop the hold
♥♥♥♥ing banks
also 1000 post yay?Just buy a non Steam version .

[crunchyfrog555]

You may have trapped yourself in that comment. If you look for what you want to find on the internet, you're bound to find it. Now doing using critical thinking while doing a search may get you the facts, it still again may find you the support to support your bias. The internet is so full of crap and so many beautiful things and so many facts that it's hard to filter unless try to lose the bias.

So nofing can easily find what he wants to support his argument with you. Makes for horrible papers to read in college I tell you, since people don't read or search, they find what they are looking for and quote it.

As for the argument itself, I personally enjoy single player games more. kind of the same reason I don't have a TV because most shows never end, I'd rather just watch a movie. I like to have a story for what I'm doing, unless it's a puzzle game. I want an introduction, character development, conflict and then a climax and conclusion. You don't really get those things in an MP game, it's too dynamic to be able to do that.

I still play a bit of MP, but only when I want to waste time, not when I want to do some serious gaming.

Thank you for your additions :)

And yes, well said. I was rather inviting problems by offering that. I was trying to show my openness in the face of scoffing and accusation, so can I be forgiven my defensive mistake? ;)

[WNxFusionGamerX]

Witcher 2 19% off was a joke, a bad joke and suckers fell for it, expect 50% off come the Halloween sale.

Already have all the broken swords, if you dont have them it's time to insta buy.

Fable 3 + DLC, can I say something negative here? No better not, we all know the game failed big time.

And....2nd weekend deal is missing? Sometimes they double up...maybe next time

[StaunchGamers]

„THQ Hit Collection“ will be available after 17 hours (10:00h PST Steam Time) as a big saving deal. $59,99 or $69,99 I suggest. EU's: €49,99 - €59,99.

[{Yotsuba}]

Fable 3 + DLC, can I say something negative here? No better not, we all know the game failed big time.

Speak for yourself. I had a lot of fun playing through Fable 3 as did others. The current price is more than worth it.

[soviet_sharkey]

„THQ Hit Collection“ will be available after 17 hours (10:00h PST Steam Time) as a big saving deal. $59,99 or $69,99 I suggest. EU's: €49,99 - €59,99.

Featuring some daily deals also I assume?

[Point Man]

Fable 3 + DLC, can I say something negative here? No better not, we all know the game failed big time.

Speak for yourself. I had a lot of fun playing through Fable 3 as did others. The current price is more than worth it.

I think he speaks for the majority, Fable 3 did in fact suck. And this is coming from someone who played Fable 2 to 100% completion and went out of his way to get all the achievements (and loved every second of it). Fable 1 was also good in it's own right.

[OmegaRed60]

What's wrong with Fable 3? I haven't played it.

[Patch517]

Cogs? Seriously? Everyone has Cogs, wtf?

:rolleyes:

[Stressthesky]

Wasn't Cogs a daily deal just recently?

[soviet_sharkey]

„THQ Hit Collection“ will be available after 17 hours (10:00h PST Steam Time) as a big saving deal. $59,99 or $69,99 I suggest. EU's: €49,99 - €59,99.

It seems there is no THQ sale of any kind

[epsylon_Z1]

:mad:

Rage

Release date : 6th October 2011 ( EU )

And i only see this

http://store.steampowered.com/app/9200

This item is currently unavailable in your region .

[Point Man]

What's wrong with Fable 3? I haven't played it.

Short version? It sucks.
Long version? 32 Reasons it sucks (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSaw85bliyQ).

[epsylon_Z1]

32 Reasons it sucks (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSaw85bliyQ).I hate that guy .

[{Yotsuba}]

Wasn't Cogs a daily deal just recently?

Nope. it may have been part of the summer sale though or perhaps one of the indie pack sales.

What's wrong with Fable 3?

Nothing.

[soviet_sharkey]

Short version? It sucks.
Long version? 32 Reasons it sucks (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSaw85bliyQ).

He is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and I think, like Yahtzee, does it for fun only being serious occasionaly so why you would base opinion on that I don't know
also Fable 3 owns

[Stressthesky]

Wasn't Cogs a daily deal just recently?

Nope. it may have been part of the summer sale though or perhaps one of the indie pack sales.

It might have been this I was thinking off:

http://forum.i3d.net/steam-news-updates-steam/174526-cogs-now-available-mac-50-off.html

[OmegaRed60]

Wait, how much of that Fable 3 video is true? I heard things may have been fixed for the PC version, but is that sanctuary stuff true? The way he presented it it seems like the worst idea I've seen in a very long time.

Please tell me half that vid isn't true.

[wake_n_bakejake]

Wait, how much of that Fable 3 video is true? I heard things may have been fixed for the PC version, but is that sanctuary stuff true? The way he presented it it seems like the worst idea I've seen in a very long time.

Please tell me half that vid isn't true.

It's true. Well at least about the Sactuary.

I was horribly disappointed in Fable 3

[stud. iur.]

Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45, 1,75 GBP(~2,11 EUR) on D2D UK, steamworks of course.

[Samee]

Nice list! I'll be sure to check back soon.

[crunchyfrog555]

Short version? It sucks.
Long version? 32 Reasons it sucks (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSaw85bliyQ).

Just because noawadays, via the miracle of Youtube and high-speed internet, anyone can make a video and air it to millions (potentially), it doesn't mean you should, or are even remotely talented enough to appear in it.

That guy is a case in point. Full of himself, with little to no discernable talent. He's one of the reasons I see comments nowadays stating that gaming journalists are idiots - he gives real journalists a bad name.

Fable 3 wasn't as good as good it was cracked up to be (but then, that's Peter Molyneux for you), but it is still fairly enjoyable. Watching this Youtube clown, you wouldn't think that.

Utter empty-headed nonsense.

[epsylon_Z1]

Deus Ex Human Revolution Augmented Edition $39.99
Deus Ex Human Revolution $33.33

on another digital download store .

[OmegaRed60]

Can someone point out the positives of Fable 3? I figure if people are saying it's great despite that sanctuary then it has to be something amazing.

[TrippleD]

Can someone point out the positives of Fable 3? I figure if people are saying it's great despite that sanctuary then it has to be something amazing.

Have you also checked here?

Fable III

http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=1117

[OmegaRed60]

Yeah, thanks for linking me to the forums, but I saw a lot of complaints there too. This topic seemed to be the only one were people were defending it so I'm curious as to what they loved about it.

Really wish there was a demo so I couldn't figure this out myself. I guess I'll just wait and see what the next couple of daily deals are then decide.

[cryptload]

universe sandbox, again...

[Aitkenj]

universe sandbox, again...

? Its not been on sale since the first time at the summer sale. I know because i've been waiting for it.

[cryptload]

? Its not been on sale since the first time at the summer sale. I know because i've been waiting for it.

so, summer was 2-3 months ago

[Aitkenj]

so, summer was 2-3 months ago

Mate....

All of the sales recently were on sale during the summer sale. Did you complain about all of the most recent deals aswell, or did you just choose to single out universe sandbox?

[Undeceived]

universe sandbox, again...

Yeah. Disappointed a little bit, too.

Not the first time, I see low price indie titles repeating in the daily deals, but never saw any of the more expensive games to be featured again...


On the other hand, this is quite good for the low price game devs, as their games become a greater audience, as I'm sure that many snip hunters look on the DD every day (like me :) ).


Summarizing: We want them more blockbusters! :D

[Fear Itself]

I thought Universe Sandbox in its free form (from the official site) was good enough for me. Don't get Fable 3 - it's a very shallow game.

[epsylon_Z1]

I saw these on another digital download store .

Call of Duty®: Black Ops $40.19
Call of Duty®: Modern Warfare® 2 $14.99
Call of Duty®: Modern Warfare® 2 Resurgence Pack $7.49
Call of Duty®: Modern Warfare® 2 Stimulus Package $7.49
Deus Ex: Human Revolution $33.33
Deus Ex Human Revolution Augmented Edition $39.99

And

Call of Duty 4 - Modern Warfare ( non-steam version ) $9.99

[Europhoria]

I saw these on another digital download store .

Call of Duty®: Black Ops $40.19
Call of Duty®: Modern Warfare® 2 $14.99
Call of Duty®: Modern Warfare® 2 Resurgence Pack $7.49
Call of Duty®: Modern Warfare® 2 Stimulus Package $7.49
Deus Ex: Human Revolution $33.33
Deus Ex Human Revolution Augmented Edition $39.99

And

Call of Duty 4 - Modern Warfare ( non-steam version ) $9.99

If it's D2D I'm going to feed you to the goannas.

Edit: You're lucky but the goannas aren't. Strange how I can still purchase those games at that price given the rort that is the Australianised price.

[epsylon_Z1]

rort that is the Australianised price.What ?

[held]

There were over 100 games in the Discount Section some minutes ago, also some Ubisoft and 2K Games titles. Major sale is coming?

[OmegaRed60]

Duke Nukem Forever (http://store.steampowered.com/app/57900/) on 50% discount for $9.99 USD now.

[held]

Duke Nukem Forever (http://store.steampowered.com/app/57900/) on 50% discount for $9.99 USD now.

Wow, this game is discounted pretty fast. Is it worth the 10 bucks?

[OmegaRed60]

You can try the demo. I'm a fan of Duke, but I'm not buying anything until I see the price for the Deus Ex DLC and how low Saints Row 2 gets discounted this week.

[{Yotsuba}]

DNF $7.49 in Japan, but new DLC restricted as apparently the game hasn't been released here. *rolls eyes*

[Europhoria]

What ?

It's still $89.99 on Steam.

[marciohuser]

DNF for $9.99 over here. NOW I will purchase, it is on a fair price for what it is (IMO) :)

[cryptload]

The Baconing plus dlc 50% off

[KETRO_o]

DNF @ 9.99€ maybe i will think of buying it if it goes bellow 7.50€

[epsylon_Z1]

For today : Red Faction titles or Frontlines: Fuel of War .

[held]

For today : Red Faction titles or Frontlines: Fuel of War .

Ohh no, I want the Civ Series on Sale. I mean as Daily.

[OmegaRed60]

Batman: Arkham Asylum (http://store.steampowered.com/app/35140/) - Was $29.99, now $19.99 USD.

About damn time. Next 75% off deal it's mine! Hopefully this Halloween would be the perfect time with the sequel coming out a few weeks after.

[soviet_sharkey]

Its Red Faction games 75% off even though no banner

[JanKowalski]

DNF @ 9.99€ maybe i will think of buying it if it goes bellow 7.50€

Maybe I will think of buying it when it's 2,50€ (prediction: Summer Sale 2012).

[camelkaze]

Maybe I will think of buying it when it's 2,50€ (prediction: Summer Sale 2012).

Metascore 54 sounds not very promising.
I'd get it for 5,40 €, because it's the Duke ^^

[WNxFusionGamerX]

The only one being considered is Darksiders, the rest is distasteful.