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g859
07-20-2007, 07:24 PM
A [Brief] History of Chernobyl

What is Chernobyl?

Chernobyl, (Also pronounced Chornobyl)(Russian: Чернобыль) is an abandoned nuclear power station located in Pripyat. Chernobyl comes from a combination of "chornyi" (meaning black) and "byllia" meaning grass blades or stalks; therefore, Tchernobyl or Chernobyl, means Black Grass or Black Stalks.

The Chernobyl NPP, (Nuclear Power Plant) is located near the city of Pripyat (Pronounced Prip-ee-at).This is where most of the plant technicians lived. The most famous scene of this city is the Ferris Wheel in the middle of the city, rusting away with time. Pripyat is commonly referred to as Chernobyl as well. The city was abandoned after the incident in early 1986. Pripyat is located directly in the middle of the 30km exclusion zone placed around the plant. While it is unadvised to live anywhere inside of the zone, past residents returned shortly after the disaster to continue on with their lives. Such residents receive regular food shipments and medical care to monitor radiation effects.


-What is the BIG Deal about Chernobyl-

The reason you hear a lot about Chernobyl is because it was and still is the worst Nuclear incident in history. The incident has brought up alot of questions regarding nuclear saftey and precautions being taken to prevent such a large accident from repeating itself. Nuclear plants operational before Chernobyl are still functioning 100% correctly, so obviously modern technology may not have as large of an impact on safety in comparison to building specs and user competence.

-The Fatal Experiment-

On April 25, Chernobyl's Reactor #4, was scheduled for routine maintenance and was determined that this was the "opportune" time to test the reactors turbine generator to see if it could keep the reactor cool in case of loss of electrcal power due to any number of things such as war (the Cold War had just ended), or some freak act of mother nature. Nuclear reactors require massive amounts of water to remain cool and functional, and the generators provided the necessary power to maintain operational status. The reactor had a pair of diesel generators that take 40 seconds to kick in once power was shut off which is quite a large gap when heat can rise exponentially. The turbine was supposed to spin under its own momentum until the generators kicked in(the test's aim was to see if the turbine could sustain its speed until the generators kicked in.)

This test had been successfully done on a unit before, but not this particular unit or model. At 1:23:04 local time, the test began; however, the reactors flaws were not at all present on the control panel. Because of this the operators had no reason to be worried. As the steam to the turbines was shut off, the flow of water decreased, causing steam to build up in the core of the reactor because of the increased heat:water ratio. As steam built up in the coolant lines, steam bubbles caused a rapid fluctation in power output.

On April 26 at approximately 1:23:40 local time (only 36 seconds later), the operators pressed the A-Z5 button (Emergency Defense System 5), that ordered an emergency shutdown of the reactor (also known as a scramble), inserting ALL control rods to contain and decrease power output, but the boron control rods were tipped with graphite, that when first inserted into the reactor, causes a surge in power not a decrease. This meant that the power output surged even higher.

At 1:23:47 local time (only 7 seconds later), the reactor output surged to 30GW (Giga Watts) per hour. This was 10 times more than normally outputted. The control rods started to melt and steam rapidly built up within the reactor, causing a major explosion which blew a massive hole in the roof, lifting the 500 ton safety cap right off the top of the reactor. Oxygen rushed in causing a huge graphite fire. 700 tons of nuclear graphite was blown around the plant. Fifty tons of radioactive waste were blown into the atmosphere.

-Safety Precautions-

To keep radiation from leaking out of the reactor, a sarcophagas was erected to keep radiation from leaking out.

By December 1986, the sarcophagus was finished to seal off the reactor. Vehicles used by "liquidators" (The men and women who built the sarcophagus) are littered everywhere within the 30km zone around the site known only as "The Zone." Presently, the sarcophagus is caving in on itself and leaking minute amounts of radioactive debris into the air. While this poses no immediate threat, a major collapse of the sarcophagus may result in an extremely large release of radiation into the atmosphere, nearly equaling the amount from 1986.

More on the sarcophagus:
http://proceedings.esri.com/library/userconf/proc02/pap0658/p0658.htm

-Who is to blame?-

Obviously, the main culprits in the disaster were the people involved with the construction and planning of the reactor. The plans may have been correct to start with, but cutting corners ultimately (and obviously) ended in unforeseen consequences.
Anatoly Dyatlov (Russian: Анатолий Дятлов) was the vice chief engineer of the plant at the time. In the early 1960's, he supervised the insertion of nuclear fuel rods into Soviet Subs in which he was blamed for an accident that exposed him to 2 life's worth of radiation (200 REM). He was the one in charge that led the RBMK reactor to its doom. The guidelines specified for the test stated that the test should have been done between ~700-100 megawatts/hour; however, Dyatlov did the test at ~200 megawatts/hour, leading to the demise of the reactor. He recieved a dose of ~390 REM (5 lifetimes worth) of radiation and yet, even this didn't kill him. He died in 1995 due to heart failure much in part because due to the ~590 REM he recieved from both nuclear incidents. In 1987, he was found guilty "for criminal mismanagement of potentially explosive enterprises". Before Dyatlov died, he wrote a book on Chernobyl's hurried, careless design. He stated that the fault lay with the Atomic Energy Officials.

Dyatlov's boss was due a promotion and had this test succeeded, Dyatlov would have filled his boss' position. But that night Dyatlov saw no equal in the control room and asserted his dominance as an "experienced" nuclear energy official. Had he listened this might not have happened.
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-Videos-

Seconds From Disaster - S01E07 - Meltdown In Chernobyl (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RDKkUwTHOg)

Disaster at Chernobyl Part 1/6 (http://youtube.com/watch?v=uoEgkGNO-sQ)
Disaster at Chernobyl Part 2/6 (http://youtube.com/watch?v=Qe_sD7bPSvg)
Disaster at Chernobyl Part 3/6 (http://youtube.com/watch?v=WEO9JAMfWUc)
Disaster at Chernobyl Part 4/6 (http://youtube.com/watch?v=CLlrxplNnbI)
Disaster at Chernobyl Part 5/6 (http://youtube.com/watch?v=OwEIX4KU7r8)
Disaster at Chernobyl Part 6/6 (http://youtube.com/watch?v=-iDqzsTb3OM)


Another Reactor Video (http://youtube.com/watch?v=PDaP0UZVbE0%22%20target=_blank%3EInside%20 Chernobyl%20Reactor%5B/url%5D%3Cbr%20/%3E%0A%20%3Cbr%20/%3E%0A%5Burl=%22http://youtube.com/watch?v=jKnFurg5-Ag&mode=related&search=)

S.T.A.L.K.E.R Reactor Gameplay (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mz8QPXSi0XY)

BioRobots Video (http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=441614481664437249)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5384001427276447319&q=chernobyl&total=3279&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=2#
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ud33w26qsWQ(1/5 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ud33w26qsWQ%281/5))
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnHwLGuNUio&feature=related(2/5 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnHwLGuNUio&feature=related%282/5))
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1OAIlk21Gc&feature=related(3/5 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1OAIlk21Gc&feature=related%283/5))
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNwAVSTWiYE&feature=related(4/5 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNwAVSTWiYE&feature=related%284/5))
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5is1Jrp9f0&feature=related(5/5 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5is1Jrp9f0&feature=related%285/5))
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-Images-

Aftermath of Explosion (http://www.ukrainianweb.com/images/chernobyl/chernobyl_reactor.jpg)
Post-disaster Control Room (http://www.theglobalist.com/photo/Chernobyl/images/image1.jpg)
The Ferris Wheel in Pripyat (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_X_uRuI7_ge0/SrvBuOz6-CI/AAAAAAAAACc/NNwz9pi2224/s400/Chernobyl.jpg)
Close-up of the reactore (http://www.computerweekly.com/PhotoGalleries/233216/94_30_The-Chernobyl-virus-also-known-as-CIH-25-years-of-viruses.jpg)
http://www.ukrainianweb.com/images/c...yl_reactor.jpg
http://www.naturvern.no/data/b/0/95/43/9_2701_0.jpg
http://cricket.biol.sc.edu/photos2/C...of-reactor.jpg
http://www.ecolo.org/photos/npp/tcherno-auren.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3220/2897134260_f7d27108a8_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3099/2896334573_5ed4859de3_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3192/2896246747_62fb5961d4_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3235/2897160446_de13b25554_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3234/2897583441_80a77be6dc_o.jpg

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Well, that's my part. Tony will hopefully add more later.

-Reference Links:-


Chernobyl
Chernobyl Disaster

Info on the Sarcophagus (http://gis2.esri.com/library/userconf/proc02/pap0658/p0658.htm)

-Other Links-

http://www.kiddofspeed.com/
http://www.tema.ru/travel/chernobyl/
http://wikitravel.org/en/Chernobyl#Eat
http://www.tourkiev.com/chernobyl.php
http://todayspictures.slate.com/inmotion/essay_chernobyl/
http://forums.filefront.com/s-t-l-k-e-r-soc-general-discussion/379832-my-trip-chernobyl-pictures-56k-ultra-death.html
http://www.iaea.org/newscenter/focus/chernobyl/#
http://rotweller.livejournal.com/
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=chernobyl_2010&num=1
http://www.largeformatphotography.info/forum/showthread.php?t=57784&highlight=Chernobyl
http://englishrussia.com/index.php/2010/10/11/walking-on-the-territory-of-the-chernobyl-nuclear-plant/

-Further Research (Advanced)-

Neutron Kinetics of the Chernobyl Accident (http://www.euronuclear.org/e-news/e-news-13/neutron-kinetics.htm)
Xenon Poisoning (http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/nucene/xenon.html)
Void coefficient (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Void_coefficient)
Chernobyl - Appendices: Positive Void Coefficient (http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/chernobyl/voidcoef.htm)
RBMK Reactor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RBMK)

g859
07-21-2007, 08:30 AM
Precursors to Chernobyl



-Mayak Nuclear Fuel Processing Plant-

The Mayak plant was built from 1945-1948 in great hurry and in great secrecy as part of the Soviet Union's nuclear weapon(s) program. Five nuclear reactors were built for this purpose of producing weapons-grade plutonium and enriched uranium. The plant later specialized in re-processing plutonium from weapons and nuclear waste from other reactors. Today the plant produces tritium (used in Hydrogen Bombs and other fusion devices) and radioisotopes. Later proposals wanted the plant to process waste from other countries, but to much controversy.

Early in the plant's history, it realeased vast amounts of radioactive waste into nearby lakes and the Techa River. Over the past 50 years, radioactivity levels have subsided somewhat. The plant workers today have no health problems what-so-ever, showing an increase in overall health safety.While the situation has since improved, the administration of the Mayak plant has been repeatedly criticized in recent years for environmentally unsound practices.

On September 29, 1957 at a Nuclear Fuel Processing Plant, the cooling system for a tank containing tens of thousands of tons of nuclear waste caused a non-nuclear explosion having an estimated force of 75 tons of TNT which realeased ~20MCi of radioactivity. 200 people died of radiation pisoning, 10,000 people were evacuated from nearby areas, and 470,000 people overall were exposed to the radiation. Even as early as 1957, the Russians were shown to have little experience in safely dealing with Nuclear material.


-Conspiracies-

There are many conspiracies revolving around the Chernobyl incident of which we won't go into great detail about.
One such conspiracy states that Chernobyl was intentionally blown up, to prepare the Soviet Union for global Nuclear War.
Other Conspiracies include the Woodpecker conspiracy, covered below.

-Reference Links-


Mayak

Tony Almeida
07-21-2007, 09:17 AM
From here (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6433310#post6433310):

This will need re-ordering/re-writing and such, but just some info:

What happened to Chernobyl Power Plant After ?


Ukraine had a power shortage during the explosion. They continued work on reactors 1,2 & 3. Reactors 5 & 6 which were still in production were immediately cancelled. They placed about 200 metres of concrete between the reactor and other working reactors.

In 1991, reactor 2 suffered unrepairable damages from a fire, and was shut down, leaving only 1 and 3.

Health organisations made a deal with the Ukrainean government to shut down the plant for good, for health reasons, so subsequently, in 1996 reactor 1 was shut down, and in 2000 reactor 3 was shut down.

What were the Liquidators ?

All the firefighters on the night/morning died. Most within a week. About 30 workers in total died quickly. They were part of the 'Liqudators' who were a group of 800,000 people who all worked to defuse the whole accident. About 60,000 are dead, and about 160,000 are now disabled.

The Future of the Sarcofagus

About the sarcofaphus itself. There are plans for the future to build another one. The roof of the current one could potentially collapse at any time....a slight earthquake style tremour is said to be able to knock it down. The problem is that about 90-95% of the radioactive material is still buried underneath in the power plant, and the a roof collapsing could cause something very bad. Something about dust clouds containing radioactive stuff being released back in again.

They plan to build a 1 billion dollar, 100 metre high dome around the whole site. (Like a big semicircle plonked ontop if you looked at the side, all closed up. It's said to last about another 100 years, and will be the biggest moveable stucture yet.

The Future of Pripjat

Nobody lives at Pripjat yet. I think (not sure about this) I read it will be another 15-20 years before it can be safe to re-visit and live.

The Woodpecker & It's Conspiracy

http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/6788/woodpeckerarrayzc8.th.jpg (http://img183.imageshack.us/my.php?image=woodpeckerarrayzc8.jpg)

The Woodpecker was a famous Soviet signal that was transmitted from 1976 to 1989.

Googlemaps image. (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=chernobyl+power+plant&sll=33.797409,49.21875&sspn=32.042595,52.910156&ie=UTF8&t=k&om=1&ll=51.303789,30.068207&spn=0.011859,0.025835&z=15&iwloc=A)

It's known purpose was an OTH. 'Over the horizon', something which would detect missiles and such at ranges of 1,000's of KM's, by sending out radio waves.

The Woodpecker was famous because these radio waves could be heard on radio's themselves, like emergency aircraft communication frequencies and the sound it produced was like a Woodpecker's.

The conspriacy thing behind it, was that it was taken over, by secret government, and the waves emited where pointed west, over to Europe/US and they were subtle physic/mind control. A bit like the game, but on much larger scale. The chernobyl accident was just all to keep people away.

There are other ideas, that it was a weather control system (a bit pointless for wasting 80megawats if you ask me)

It got shut down in 1989, but still it occasionally emits every now and then.

The Zone

Other names:

The Chernobyl Zone
The Exclusion Zone
The 30 Kilometer Zone
The Zone of Alienation
The Zone is a 30KM area around the Power Plant site. It started soon after the accident occured, and was to direct people into safety, away from the radioactive material.

The Zone itself is divided into a futher 4 seperate, circular Zones, each getting closer and closer to the plant. In the fourth Zone, the most dangerous, any sort of business there without permit is illegal, and punishable. All that is allowed there is engineers and scientists for the Plant.

In the rest of the sections, activity there is allowed, but is guarded by the State Border Guard Service of Ukraine & the Ministry of Internal Affairs. Access to the Zone, externally is available in the form of day tours.

During the time of creation of the Zone, and the evacuation, there were of course people who decided to stay, mainly the elderly with perhaps animals on a farm and such. At first, it was strictly an exclusion Zone, so therfore the authoritys weren't happy, but they have begun to deal with it, and also offer help and supplies to the remaining 'Self Settlers' as they're known.

The scientists and engineers inside who work, are only allowed in shifts, based on the location, healthcare and government support (pensions and such)

The environments around and in the Zone changed dramatically after the explosion. The radioactive dust and matter swept through the area, including the forests and open lands. Most notable was the 'Red Forest' which you can see here:

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/2003/redforestsh8.th.jpg (http://img405.imageshack.us/my.php?image=redforestsh8.jpg)

Also, the Liquadators uses many vehicles for transport of materials such as sand, dirt etc, to extinguish fires, and helicopts to build the sarcofaghus and drop cement over the reactor. All these are now no longer safe to use, and have literally been dumped all over the place. These are now known as 'Vehicle Cemeterys'. They are highly dangerous, any one who enters has to be extrememly careful of what they touch, and where they step. There are also even more vehicles buried underground in the dangerous places, were the vegetation has become a 'hot spot'

A picture:

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/3839/kladbishe01mb7.th.jpg (http://img405.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kladbishe01mb7.jpg)

The metal on the vehicles has been 'soaked' with radiation, and hence it is dangerous to use any. Transport for the tours into the Zone are also only allowed X amount of trips before they are decomissioned.


Although, the initial animals that were standing when the accident occured, are gone, the Zone is now a highly populated area with animals, mainly due to the lack of any humans/expansion.

Fatbubba
07-21-2007, 11:41 AM
One thing I did when I was waiting for the game to come out was check everything on wikipedia. I love that site. I use it a lot for reference after watching historical movies or reading books with notes about historical happenings.

Nice job guys. What would make it complete is a nice real life photo of the reactor I think :)

Hwkiller
07-21-2007, 11:43 AM
Nice job guys. What would make it complete is a nice real life photo of the reactor I think :)

http://www.ukrainianweb.com/images/chernobyl/chernobyl_reactor.jpg
http://www.naturvern.no/data/b/0/95/43/9_2701_0.jpg
http://cricket.biol.sc.edu/photos2/Chernobyl_photos/images/tim-in-front-of-reactor.jpg
http://www.ecolo.org/photos/npp/tcherno-auren.jpg

LicenseToThrill
07-21-2007, 12:58 PM
Great thread guys.

Labyrinth
07-21-2007, 05:55 PM
I thought it was longer before Pripyat would be safe

saying that dont people go in there on tours or w/e i mean is actually going there hazardous i swear i read somewhere was doing tours or something and people found the silence very creepy

also this is pretty good too take a look http://www.kiddofspeed.com/

g859
07-21-2007, 09:00 PM
Updated the post! Added Images, Videos, Whos to blame, Conspiracies, and more!

Hwkiller
07-21-2007, 09:10 PM
I'm slightly confused on where reactor 4 is. (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=chernobyl+power+plant&sll=51.268789,31.077576&sspn=0.476011,1.109619&ie=UTF8&ll=51.380004,30.119576&spn=0.014839,0.034676&t=k&z=15&om=1)

Nvm found it... even found where this (http://cricket.biol.sc.edu/photos2/Chernobyl_photos/images/tim-in-front-of-reactor.jpg) guy was standing.

g859
07-21-2007, 09:11 PM
Its I,C,and H. I had a hard time finding it. Zoom in over the cluster of letters, then find I,C and G. You'll see the cooling stack.

Grunt
07-26-2007, 12:48 PM
http://www.kiddofspeed.com/chapter6.html

http://www.kiddofspeed.com/chapter22.html

g859
07-26-2007, 01:55 PM
Has anyone checked out the Disaster at Chernobyl series? It's a pretty good series of videos. Links are up there above th image.

Tony Almeida
07-26-2007, 01:59 PM
Has anyone checked out the Disaster at Chernobyl series? It's a pretty good series of videos. Links are up there above th image.

Yea they are good. You can see the director's been watching a little too much 24 though ;P

g859
07-26-2007, 02:01 PM
I wish it were in english though 0_o

Labyrinth
07-26-2007, 02:03 PM
I wish it were in english though 0_o

yea but other than they are certainly interesting

/vote sticky

g859
07-26-2007, 02:05 PM
Too bad the guy in charge was a TOTAL ??? HAT otherwise, this never would have happened.

Labyrinth
07-26-2007, 02:13 PM
Too bad the guy in charge was a TOTAL ??? HAT otherwise, this never would have happened.

Yea very true, you cant mess around with things like that

didnt it say he didnt follow the guidelines he was given

g859
07-26-2007, 02:27 PM
While the Guidelines specified for the test stated that the test should have been done betwee ~700-100 megawatts/hour, Dyatlov did the test at ~200 megawatts/hour. This led to the demise of the reactor.

Nope, he didn't.

Labyrinth
07-26-2007, 02:29 PM
Nope, he didn't.

What is a joke is that you do get people that thing they know what they are doing!!

if i was in charge of a nuclear reactor i certainly wouldnt take chances like that because its simply not something you want to screw up

g859
07-26-2007, 02:37 PM
As the Russians found out. I'd take extreme care not to ???? the Plant up. I mean, they were probably getting paid ~$100,000 a year, isn't that incentive enough to not blow up a Nuclear Power Plant?

Labyrinth
07-26-2007, 02:43 PM
As the Russians found out. I'd take extreme care not to ???? the Plant up. I mean, they were probably getting paid ~$100,000 a year, isn't that incentive enough to not blow up a Nuclear Power Plant?

Think was more hungry for power and took shortcuts which in the end was a bad thing to do

g859
07-26-2007, 02:46 PM
Apparently, the Executive of the plant was due a promotion, and the test would have gotten him the promotion. Then the guy in charge that night would have filled his position. So to get the position faster, they took shortcuts. Also, the Roof above the reactor was supposed to be built with materials that weren't flammable. The person who was in charge of the building, also took shortcuts in his history of building nuclear power plants.
So, he built the roof out of flammable materials that caused more damage than necessary.

Labyrinth
07-26-2007, 03:03 PM
Disturbing to think people will take shortcuts that can endanger life, just for more money =/

g859
07-26-2007, 03:13 PM
It is indeed disturbing.

LicenseToThrill
07-26-2007, 04:46 PM
/vote to be a sticky on STALKER forum

Sierra Oscar
07-27-2007, 05:01 AM
/vote to be a sticky on STALKER forum

Possibly when we get a Stalker forum.;)

Nice job,g859.

CommanderZx2
07-27-2007, 05:54 AM
I wanted to find some more info on the Sarcophagus that currently contains it and I couldn't find any on wiki. So google found me some info:
http://gis2.esri.com/library/userconf/proc02/pap0658/p0658.htm
I'm still looking for more.

Tony Almeida
07-27-2007, 06:06 AM
OK im gona start adding some more to my post slowly now. Start with the Zone.

CommanderZx2
07-27-2007, 06:39 AM
Just found this great video:
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=441614481664437249
It shows construction of the Sarcophagus and the "biorobots" soldiers doing roof runs and lots more.

Tony Almeida
07-27-2007, 07:14 AM
Just added some stuff about the Zone.

g859
07-27-2007, 08:39 AM
Possibly when we get a Stalker forum.;)

Nice job,g859.


Thanks, always reassuring when a mod says it's good! :) :)

I wanted to find some more info on the Sarcophagus that currently contains it and I couldn't find any on wiki. So google found me some info:
http://gis2.esri.com/library/userconf/proc02/pap0658/p0658.htm
I'm still looking for more.

Added to links.

Just found this great video:
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=441614481664437249
It shows construction of the Sarcophagus and the "biorobots" soldiers doing roof runs and lots more.

Added to videos

Bumped to avoid plague-o-purge :/

Well, hopefully, the S.T.A.L.K.E.R forum will come soon! Hopefulle the same for the game!

th3flyboy
08-09-2007, 04:56 PM
Well, hopefully, the S.T.A.L.K.E.R forum will come soon! Hopefulle the same for the game!

and lets hope to god we can put our cd keys in, i already mentioned it on the gsc game world fourms for stalker. lets hope to god they listen.

g859
08-09-2007, 05:27 PM
I just hope that the 1.0004 patch comes out soon :/

th3flyboy
08-10-2007, 12:33 AM
I just hope that the 1.0004 patch comes out soon :/
until the chinese get their version (no offence, but i think they deserve no stalker as punishment for all that poison stuff they have been sending the states, as a minimum, prefferably a nice shock and awe campaign against china, i have no problem with going into china.) we dont get our 1.0004 because thq wants to make money with this version by giving the chinese the same version as us on disc so they can play on our mp servers.

th3flyboy
08-10-2007, 12:50 AM
no offence, but i think i remember most of this stuff from the original stalker site, back when the site actually taught you things.

great post though.

Tony Almeida
08-10-2007, 03:03 AM
3 more games now under THQ, the Warhammer's, meaning only STALKER and Supreme Commander left : o

http://www.steampowered.com/v/index.php?publisher=thq&cc=

g859
08-10-2007, 08:15 PM
Well, it's only a matter of time now. Hopefully, just like Steam Community,the extra time spent (other than that regarding China) will bring nice features.

halflifeuser
08-10-2007, 08:24 PM
I'm slightly confused on where reactor 4 is. (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=chernobyl+power+plant&sll=51.268789,31.077576&sspn=0.476011,1.109619&ie=UTF8&ll=51.380004,30.119576&spn=0.014839,0.034676&t=k&z=15&om=1)

Nvm found it... even found where this (http://cricket.biol.sc.edu/photos2/Chernobyl_photos/images/tim-in-front-of-reactor.jpg) guy was standing.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=chernobyl+power+plant&sll=51.268789,31.077576&sspn=0.476011,1.109619&ie=UTF8&t=k&om=1&ll=51.389673,30.100168&spn=0.004472,0.010042&z=17

there is something very drawing to Chernobyl and how deselet the land it

axet
08-31-2007, 10:48 PM
Russian: Чернобыль

LicenseToThrill
08-31-2007, 10:51 PM
Woot this thread is a sticky on STALKER forum and STALKER is on steam!


Hip hip hooray! Hip hip hooray!

v@.Li.um
09-01-2007, 04:08 AM
Hum, for those interested on the whole Chernobyl accident, I'll recommend reading the books "Chernobyl" by Igor Kostin (he is a photographer who worked as a liquidator) and "Chernobyl - The hidden heritage" (literal translation from spanish, dunno if that's the name in english). Those two books are mainly photography books, but both of them have a lot of info about Chernobyl - Kostin's one explains his own experience, and the hidden heritage explains overall what happened... lots of scientific stuff too.

vcool
09-01-2007, 01:19 PM
Guys - Chernobyl is an actual plant. I cant provide pictures because as soon as I type in chernobyl in russian google it shows me pictures of the sarcophagus.

second thing.

In the original post, it must say

Russian: Чернобыль

not Чорнобиль.

EDIT: axet already pointed that out actually...but I will remind you nonetheless.

PS- great thread guys :)

v@.Li.um
09-01-2007, 02:44 PM
Guys - Chernobyl is an actual plant. I cant provide pictures because as soon as I type in chernobyl in russian google it shows me pictures of the sarcophagus.
Wha? :confused:

vcool
09-01-2007, 02:49 PM
There is an actual plant called Чернобыль (chernobyl)

O lol I see the problem.

Plant as in a growing thing.

marie pavie
09-04-2007, 09:12 PM
Guys - Chernobyl is an actual plant.

Revelation 8:11 The name of the star is called Wormwood; and a third of the waters became wormwood, and many men died from the waters, because they were made bitter.
http://bible.cc/revelation/8-11.htm

We also see the grass that grows beside the road. We call this grass chernobyl, the wormwood. It has a bitter taste.
...
Another interesting detail, the alternate meaning of "wormwood" for the word "Chernobyl" has now mysteriously disappeared from our dictionaries. Such is the policy of our government. In order to suppress apocalyptic moods and to build more reactors, they have removed this word from dictionaries.

http://www.croatia.ch/zanimljivosti/070830_eng.php

vcool
09-05-2007, 07:49 AM
Hm.

the religious thing is well...fitting...

dr.koljan
09-06-2007, 09:13 AM
Chernobyl is Чернобыль in Russian, Чорнобиль is Ukrainian

vcool
09-06-2007, 09:55 AM
Yeh, it was mentioned above ^^^

They didnt change it yet -.-

HC_Deus
09-19-2007, 10:47 AM
Present-day Pripayt' - there is always 1986:
http://www.tema.ru/travel/chernobyl/

vcool
09-19-2007, 11:49 AM
Pripyat'*

Nice (as in, well done) pictures...

Devastation and abandonement at its fullest...

Woutsie
10-07-2007, 11:49 AM
Very nice and interesting thread!

Jesse1234
11-02-2007, 12:45 PM
I finally read alllll of the first few posts.

It's actually quite interesting! It almost seems unreal....

g859
11-24-2007, 08:44 PM
I wonder how many ppl have read through the whole thread...

osakasan
01-08-2008, 06:54 PM
Present-day Pripayt' - there is always 1986:
http://www.tema.ru/travel/chernobyl/

Hold up...

The picd in that link of the cat... Is that a photoshop?

Forward Area
01-09-2008, 05:31 AM
Hold up...

The picd in that link of the cat... Is that a photoshop?

Even though there have been accounts of people seeing... "mutated" animals, this is probably just a photoshop.

vcool
01-10-2008, 11:18 AM
As we say, photoЖОП ^^

Jesse1234
01-24-2008, 01:57 PM
I think it would be awesome to go to Chernobyl....if it's even possible.

Just to see the ghost towns and stuff...it would be earie...but i think it's something i want to do when im older.

g859
01-24-2008, 01:58 PM
I have dreams where I'm jogging around Pripyat! But it's a dream so no radiation for me :D

Hawky
01-25-2008, 04:35 AM
I think it would be awesome to go to Chernobyl....if it's even possible.

Just to see the ghost towns and stuff...it would be earie...but i think it's something i want to do when im older.

Same here man, i would love to go there, i would find it strangely fun.

Forward Area
01-25-2008, 05:35 AM
I think it would be awesome to go to Chernobyl....if it's even possible.

Just to see the ghost towns and stuff...it would be earie...but i think it's something i want to do when im older.

You know that in Kiev you can pay to have a tour there? They bring you around the zone, Pripyat, etc.

It's probably expensive but damn worth it. One of my plans in the future is to go there and see it from my own eyes.

Hawky
01-25-2008, 06:46 AM
You know that in Kiev you can pay to have a tour there? They bring you around the zone, Pripyat, etc.

It's probably expensive but damn worth it. One of my plans in the future is to go there and see it from my own eyes.

SPUF Outing to the Zone for all Stalker fans.

nitroJack
01-25-2008, 08:22 AM
Well, this whole ordeal really makes a nice backdrop to a game. It is almost too unreal to think about, with the ghost town and the desolate region almost making you feel like an archaeologist looking at a paradox of an excavation site.

I mean it's only been twenty something years since the disaster and yet it seems to be an ancient site already, probably due to the lack of human beeings in a human beeing setting! The skeleton of a society is still there, and probably will be for a long time!

Reading trough this thread has set an eerie feeling in my gut and I'm looking forward to playing the game, still only 74% complete though... :-)

g859
01-25-2008, 01:44 PM
SPUF Outing to the Zone for all Stalker fans.


Does expedia have Zone tour packages for large groups?

Hawky
01-26-2008, 09:44 AM
Does expedia have Zone tour packages for large groups?

If only :(

combine hybrid
02-02-2008, 12:29 AM
I have a question. What is the current radiation level of the zone? Is it still the same when the reactor blew up?

How strong was the radiation level around the zone compared to Hiroshima or Nagasaki?

Tony Almeida
02-02-2008, 04:53 AM
I have a question. What is the current radiation level of the zone? Is it still the same when the reactor blew up?

How strong was the radiation level around the zone compared to Hiroshima or Nagasaki?

http://www.hiroshima-cdas.or.jp/HICARE/en/10/hi04.html

Radiation in the Zone is never constant. Some places it's lethal to stand, others it is fine. I'm talking about a matter of meters here.

Concrete roads are generally fine, but grass and vegetation become 'hot spots'. So do a lot of metal things, such as vehicles. You can't even approach them, if they've been there for a while.

Forward Area
02-02-2008, 06:24 AM
Those damn vehicles... don't try to get cover behind them!!! :p

marie pavie
02-02-2008, 06:11 PM
A lethal dose of radiation is in the range of 300 to 500 roentgens an hour. Levels on the tour reportedly range from 15 to several hundred microroentgens an hour. A microroentgen is one-millionth of a roentgen. Stay on roads, the radiation levels on areas covered by vegetation are signficantly higher. Follow common sense if you are on your own; if you see an area marked with a radiation sign, the meaning is clear: DON'T GO THERE.
http://wikitravel.org/en/Chernobyl#Eat

Jesse1234
02-02-2008, 10:21 PM
How much would it cost to go to chernobyl from Toronto, Canada? Including one of these tours? Im really thinking about going...even though i probably most definitely will not.

g859
02-02-2008, 10:27 PM
http://www.tourkiev.com/chernobyl.php find out there at the bottom of the page :D

g859
02-02-2008, 10:45 PM
https://www.mynewtrip.com/web/(3m33ozuookyfou55en0vnq45)/air/results.aspx there you go jesse. $1867.13 for a 3 day gettaway!

Tony Almeida
02-03-2008, 04:42 AM
You should read the dev. diaries for their 5 trips to Chernobyl.

They are the best source of information you will get about it ever.

They're a little hard to find now though.

Jesse1234
02-03-2008, 08:43 AM
https://www.mynewtrip.com/web/(3m33ozuookyfou55en0vnq45)/air/results.aspx there you go jesse. $1867.13 for a 3 day gettaway!

:eek:

That's a little much. I could book a nice Cuba 7 day vacation for ~700$, with no worry of being attacked by bloodsuckers.

g859
02-11-2008, 07:58 PM
http://www.stage6.com/user/rebel420/video/1986627/:Seconds-from-DIsaster-S01E13---Meltdown-at-Chernobyl EXCELLENT HIGH QUALITY CHERNOBYL VIDEO! Thank you National Geographic!

Tony Almeida
02-12-2008, 01:28 AM
http://www.stage6.com/user/rebel420/video/1986627/:Seconds-from-DIsaster-S01E13---Meltdown-at-Chernobyl EXCELLENT HIGH QUALITY CHERNOBYL VIDEO! Thank you National Geographic!

Hmm interesting, as always with STALKER stuff.

Thanks,

vcool
02-12-2008, 04:31 AM
Heh, I had that video on my HDD for about 6 months. Never watched it though :/

marie pavie
02-25-2008, 02:41 PM
National Gepgraphic Chernobyl Documantary *HD Quality* (http://www.stage6.com/user/rebel420/video/1986627/:Seconds-from-DIsaster-S01E13---Meltdown-at-Chernobyl")
Download it right now, if you wanna watch it, 'cause Stage6 will be deader than the zombies in Yantor in a couple a days.

Edit
A thread by leemonski over at GSC (http://www.gsc-game.com/index.php?t=community&s=forums&s_game_type=xr&thm_page=1&thm_id=13420&sec_id=1) recommends a docudrama.
Surviving Disaster – Chernobyl (http://www.bfs.eu.com/index.php?cid=310)
IMDB (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0775665/) link

DarK 1217
04-01-2008, 07:18 PM
I thought you might like to add this new documentary I recently watched, it's EXCELLENT.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5384001427276447319&q=chernobyl&total=3279&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=2

Hawky
04-01-2008, 07:41 PM
I thought you might like to add this new documentary I recently watched, it's EXCELLENT.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5384001427276447319&q=chernobyl&total=3279&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=2

Cheers man, watching now, really interesting.

g859
04-01-2008, 08:19 PM
I thought you might like to add this new documentary I recently watched, it's EXCELLENT.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5384001427276447319&q=chernobyl&total=3279&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=2


Excellent sir, cookie for you :)

marie pavie
04-06-2008, 06:18 PM
Here's a flash based narrated photo essay...
http://todayspictures.slate.com/inmotion/essay_chernobyl/

DarK 1217
04-06-2008, 09:51 PM
Wow, just wow... Seriously, this is the kind of perspective that makes me a misanthropist. Great link, but holy ♥♥♥♥...

marie pavie
08-17-2008, 06:26 PM
Here is a vid posted by ScramUK over at the GSC forum about the wildlife in the exclusion zone.
ScramUK's post. (http://www.gsc-game.com/index.php?t=community&s=forums&s_game_type=xr&thm_page=1&thm_id=15719&sec_id=1)

first part
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ud33w26qsWQ
Second part
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnHwLGuNUio&feature=related
Third part
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1OAIlk21Gc&feature=related
Fourth Part
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNwAVSTWiYE&feature=related
Fith Part
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5is1Jrp9f0&feature=related

Hawky
08-17-2008, 06:45 PM
Interesting marie, the wolf howling brought back some memories.

lackoo
08-19-2008, 11:45 PM
Too many people suffer or die in cancer in my region since the accident.

SRQ
08-29-2008, 02:15 AM
need a :tinfoilhat: fot the Woodpecker.
repeating ticks is exactly how i would think a radar would sound.

Oip_1109
09-01-2008, 04:14 PM
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5384001427276447319&q=chernobyl&total=3279&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=2


At 53:20
The first reference to "The Zone". :D!!!

Love this film.

Slob187
09-06-2008, 02:09 AM
A History of Chernobyl

In lieu of S.T.A.L.K.E.R coming to Steam, and that many of you in the SPUF are interested in Chernobyl, Tony Almeida, along with myself, have decided to make a "history of Chernobyl" thread.
This thread will hopefully peak your interest and will interest you in this subject...or at least we hope!

What is Chernobyl?
Chernobyl, (Also pronounced Chornobyl)(Russian: Чорнобиль) is an abandoned city in northern Ukraine near Belarus.
Chernobyl comes from a combination of "chornyi" (meaning black) and "byllia"(meaning grass blades or stalks). Therefore, Tchernobyl or Chernobyl, means Black Grass or Black Stalks.

The Chernobyl NPP, (Nuclear Power Plant) is located near the city of Pripyat (Pronounced Prip-ee-at).This is where most of the plant technicians lived. The most famous scene of this city is the Ferris Wheel in themiddle of the city, rusting way withtime and the elements. This city is referred to as Chernobyl as well.

The city was abandoned after the incident in early 1986. Some people have returned to live in the 30KM exclusion zone, and recieve regular medical check-ups, as well as delivered food. It took 1 week to get all 155,000 residents out of the city.




What is the BIG Deal about Chernobyl




The reason you hear a lot about Chernobyl, is because it was, and still is the worst Nuclear incident in history.
It has brought up alot of questions regarding nuclear saftey and precautions being taken to prevent such
an accident from happening. Some people think that Nuclear Power should be outlawed, some think that with modern technology,
this is just a thing of the past, and that we can prevent this from ever happening again.

The fatal experiment

On April 25, Chernobyl's Reactor #4, was scheduled for routine maintenance.
It was also determined, that this was the "opportune" time to test the reactors turbine
generator, to see if it could keep the reactor cool, in case of loss of electrcal power.
In the reactors case, it required that water constantly flowed through it to keep cool.
The reactor had a pair of diesel generators that take 40 seconds to kick in once power was
shut off. The turbine was supposed to spin under its own momentum until the generators kicked in. (the test's aim was to see if the turbine could sustain its speed until the generators kicked in.)

This test had been successfully done on a unit before.
At 1:23:04 local time, the test had begun. The reactors flaws, were not at all present on the control panel.
Therefore, the operators had no reason to be worried. As the steam to the turbines was shut off, the flow of water decreased, causing steam to build up in the core of the reactor. As steam built up in the coolant lines, the steam bubbles caused
a rapid increase in power.

On April 26 At 1:23:40 (only 36 seconds later) the operators pressed the A-Zed 5 button (AZ-5, or Emergency Defense System 5) that ordered a shutdown of the reactor, inserting ALL control rods to decrease power output. But, the boron control rods were infact tipped with graphite, that when first inserted into the reactor, causes a surge in power not a decrease.

At 1:23:47 (only 7 seconds later) the reactor output surged to 30GW (Giga Watts) an hour. This was 10 times more than normally outputted.
The control rods started to melt, and steam rapidly built up. This caused a major explosion which blew a hole in the roof, lifting the 500 ton safety cap off. Oxygen rushed in causing a huge graphite fire. 700 tons of nuclear graphite was blown around the plant.
50 tons of radioactive waste were blown into the atmosphere.

Safety Precautions

To keep radiation from leaking out of the reactor, a sarcophagas was erected to keep radiation from leaking out.
By December 1986, the sarcophagus was finished to seal off the reactor. Vehicles used by "liquidators" (The men and women who built the
sarcophagus) are littered everywhere.
To this day, the sarcophagus is falling apart, letting radiation leak from the reactor into the atmosphere.
A new sarcophagus is in the works, and will be finished in estimated 2009.

Who is to blame?

The Chernobyl incident(s) blame, was placed on many leading authorites shoulders.

Anatoly Dyatlov (Russian: Анатолий Дятлов) was the vice chief engineer of the plant at the time. In the early 1960's, he supervised the insertion of nuclear fuel rods into Soviet Subs, in which he was blamed for an accident that exposed him to 2 life's worth of radiation (200 REM). He was the one in charge that led the RBMK reactor to its doom. While the Guidelines specified foe the test stated that the test should have been done betwee ~700-100 megawatts/hour, Dyatlov did the test at ~200 megawatts/hour. This led to the demise of the reactor. He recieved a dose of ~390 REM (5 lifetimes worth) of radiation. Even this didn't kill him. He died in 1995 due to heart failure much in part because of the ~590 REM he recieved from both nuclear incidents. In 1987, he was found guilty "for criminal mismanagement of potentially explosive enterprises".

Before Dyatlov died, he wrote a book on Chernobyl's mis-hap, hurried design. He stated that the fault lay with the Atomic Energy Officials. Dyatlov's boss, was due a promotion. Had this test suceeded, Dyatlov would have filled his boss' position. But, that night, Dyatlov saw no equal in the control room. Had he listened, this might not have happened.
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Videos

<A href="http://www.stage6.com/user/rebel420/video/1986627/:Seconds-from-DIsaster-S01E13---Meltdown-at-Chernobyl"" target=_blank>National Gepgraphic Chernobyl Documantary *HD Quality*

<A href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=uoEgkGNO-sQ" target=_blank>Disaster at Chernobyl Part 1/6
<A href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=Qe_sD7bPSvg" target=_blank>Disaster at Chernobyl Part 2/6
<A href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=WEO9JAMfWUc" target=_blank>Disaster at Chernobyl Part 3/6
<A href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=CLlrxplNnbI" target=_blank>Disaster at Chernobyl Part 4/6
<A href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=OwEIX4KU7r8" target=_blank>Disaster at Chernobyl Part 5/6
<A href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=-iDqzsTb3OM" target=_blank>Disaster at Chernobyl Part 6/6


<A href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=PDaP0UZVbE0" target=_blank>Inside Chernobyl Reactor

<A href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=jKnFurg5-Ag&mode=related&search=" target=_blank>Another Reactor Video

<A href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mz8QPXSi0XY" target=_blank>S.T.A.L.K.E.R Reactor Gameplay

<A href="http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=441614481664437249" target=_blank>BioRobots Video
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Images

<a href="http://www.ukrainianweb.com/images/chernobyl/chernobyl_reactor.jpg" target=_blank>http://www.ukrainianweb.com/images/chernobyl/chernobyl_reactor.jpg

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Well, that's my part. Tony will hopefully add more later.

Links I used for reference:
Chernobyl

Chernobyl Disaster

<A href="http://gis2.esri.com/library/userconf/proc02/pap0658/p0658.htm" target=_blank>Info on sarcophagus
I will be updating this thread as often as I can

It's Чернобыль , not Чорнобиль and btw, how can this guy stay in front of the Chernobyl reactor :eek: he will die in about 1 - 3 days or less cause of radiation.

*VeLeRoN*
09-07-2008, 11:02 AM
IAEA is a good source for finding out what happend there and that there were no "fatal experiments" or whatever:

English edition (http://www-pub.iaea.org/MTCD/publications/PDF/Pub913e_web.pdf)
Russian edition (http://www-pub.iaea.org/MTCD/publications/PDF/Pub913r_web.pdf)

Bad_Motha
09-30-2008, 07:24 AM
I wanted to share this with Stalker fans, and anyone else too.
A fellow Stalker fans' trip to Chernobyl (http://forums.filefront.com/s-t-l-k-e-r-soc-general-discussion/379832-my-trip-chernobyl-pictures-56k-ultra-death.html) recently.

*Please note there are ALOT of (1024x768) images from this trip, loading times may be slow of some. Please be patient, it's well worth a look. Don't forget to read it too ;)

Enjoy!

¿Señor Freeman?
09-30-2008, 07:33 AM
Thats Incredible, deep and scary

MrChris
09-30-2008, 07:55 AM
awesome pictures, its stupidly eerie just looking at them, can't imagine what it would be like to atually go there

Forward Area
09-30-2008, 08:08 AM
Awesome pics! That's desktop material right there!

Kensington
09-30-2008, 08:14 AM
Holy ****! That looked like an awesome trip. Kudos on that and the pictures. Thanks for sharing.

Chapa9dj
09-30-2008, 08:36 AM
OMGG you're soo lucky!!!
I want to go there!!
Excellent pictures!!

protyx
09-30-2008, 08:41 AM
heh, pretty creepy

marie pavie
09-30-2008, 08:42 AM
Thanks for the link, Add it to the Chernobyl sticky too!

One of the things that strikes me about NPP pics is there is a sort of romantic decay feel to them, but the mix of ongoing local activity & the bleakness the photographers must feel is hard to capture in a pic.

BuBBle.D
09-30-2008, 08:56 AM
Too bad you did not photograph a bloodsucker.:)
Excellent pictures bro.

Ruben11
09-30-2008, 08:58 AM
Those were some excellent pictures, thanks for the link. :)

TheGear
09-30-2008, 09:06 AM
Wow that's awesome! Thanks for sharing!

wildpeaks
09-30-2008, 09:15 AM
Ohhh, now I know I'll have radioactive dreams tonight :D

King_Alf
09-30-2008, 09:36 AM
There are actually people who work there to this day, maintaining cleaning up and keeping morons out... They're literally called S.T.A.L.K.E.Rs. Your guide probably counts! A real live stalker!

oKinO
09-30-2008, 09:51 AM
Wow thats pretty bad ♥♥♥ man.... I was thinking this would be like SS's from the game or something rofl


Excellent pictures... Couldn't help but think of Stalker and CoD4 while viewing some of them. Had to have been an awesome tour. :D

Bad_Motha
10-03-2008, 12:57 AM
Wow thats pretty bad ♥♥♥ man.... I was thinking this would be like SS's from the game or something rofl


Excellent pictures... Couldn't help but think of Stalker and CoD4 while viewing some of them. Had to have been an awesome tour. :D

Yes I though the same thing. Definately had me thinking of COD4.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3220/2897134260_f7d27108a8_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3099/2896334573_5ed4859de3_o.jpg

In COD4, there is on the sniper mission when you come up the stairs from the ground level below (in the 2 pics above). The other character says how many people used to live there but now it's a ghost town. In the game the time frame of those sniper missions isn't too far from after the Chernobyl insident occurs. Also the game the HIND helicopter flys by just as you reach above ground 1st floor level, from there making your way to the overhang, that leads to the hotel (shown below) where you take your position for the "sniping" part of the mission. This is the same hotel that in real life, the scientists and others stayed at to discuss what needed to be done to contain the situation. They stayed here for many days too, obsorbing alot of radiation over time.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3192/2896246747_62fb5961d4_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3235/2897160446_de13b25554_o.jpg

And of course the ferris wheel, where you make your last stand in that mission.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3234/2897583441_80a77be6dc_o.jpg

wildpeaks
11-26-2008, 10:42 AM
Oh the frustration: I had found a nice two-days trip to Chernobyl/Pripyat with some experienced explorers, but by the time I found it, there were already no seats available to reserve. Damn :( :(

marie pavie
12-06-2008, 06:30 PM
"Pluto's Realm (http://www.angelfire.com/extreme4/kiddofspeed/pluto1.html)" is large magazine style full-color photo book, with many color photos of Chernobyl. It is printed on heavy white paper. Size of pages is 8.5" x 11" (21,2x 27,5cm).
Filatova Elena Vladimirovna has a photo book for sale...
http://www.angelfire.com/extreme4/kiddofspeed/

Yarg
01-02-2009, 09:50 PM
A photographer by the name of Robert Polidori has a photography book on the site. I picked up the book back in 2003 and it's pretty damn amazing work. Some of his shots can be seen here.

http://www.houkgallery.com/polidori/polidori.html

As for the tours, a co-worker of mine grew up in Keiv and moved to the US in the early 90's. She of course still has family in Keiv and mentioned that everything in the zone is done through bribes so bring cash and lots of it. Something maybe off limits but show the guy some money and all of sudden you have access.

g859
01-02-2009, 10:20 PM
Update!!!!

Fixed all of the video links, image link, spelling check, etc.

wildpeaks
03-11-2009, 12:07 PM
Yes I'm going there in three weeks and even managed to get us two other visits in Kiev as bonus ^^

Any last minute advice besides bringing cash and don't drink the water ?

marie pavie
03-14-2009, 12:04 PM
Only thing I can think of is a good camera. And Pics of people too, everybody goes for the empty 'monolithic' shots, but having pics in context is good. (NNP shots next to Kiev nightclubs, lol)
Have a a good trip!

Bad_Motha
05-15-2009, 05:47 AM
Alot of people have also been flocking there for "S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Real Player" airsoft events. I wish my team could go there for that!

The Real Stalker > http://englishrussia.com/?p=1945
Here is a gallery of all the available photos from that event.
http://photofile.name/users/star-dreamer/95082222/all/



Here is my local team here in Maryland, USA > http://www.sogairsoft.org

Leviathan(os)
09-14-2009, 06:00 AM
I dunno if anyone has written this already but i do it anyway.
This incident is not onlt such a big deal because of THEN. Noone has 100% proof on it but it's believed that alot of cancer came from then, as alot of people (our parents, some of us even) lived by then, and they/we inhalated the air, and that might have caused the raise of cancer. Considering 1 of 3 (i belive) get's breastcancer here in sweden. This only goes to the countries bordering there.
Russia,Ukraine, Sweden, Finland, Latvia, Lithauen, Tallin, Possibly some countries in southern Asia. This is just beliefs but it might aswell be true.

Bad_Motha
09-26-2009, 11:16 AM
It's always hard to make proof of such thins, but yes I'm sure a lot of the rise in cancer all over the world can reflect back to the Chernobyl disaster. Especially the big rise in Europe and such areas north and west of Ukraine.

I recently found this website >
http://www.iaea.org/NewsCenter/Focus/Chernobyl/#

Pretty anything to do with news related event dealing with Atomic Energy or Nuclear Power can be found here. There is a huge section for Chernobyl here.

Bad_Motha
10-13-2009, 08:08 AM
I recently found this blog on livejournal.com (http://rotweller.livejournal.com/)

While it's off-topic, it contains alot of good pictures from in and around Russia.

BattlecruiZer
10-21-2009, 08:34 AM
Chernobyl, (Also pronounced Chornobyl)(Russian: Чорнобиль)""

Wrong, right one Russian: Чернобыль (not o khm..)

Suomis
10-31-2009, 07:45 AM
Has anyone checked out the Disaster at Chernobyl series? It's a pretty good series of videos. Links are up there above th image.

Yea Im just watching it :P

Its very good imo.

maturin
12-19-2009, 09:50 AM
The last two picture links are broken and people do in fact live in Pripyat. The government lets very old people move back into their old houses so they can die at home.

Tzaya
02-27-2010, 08:00 AM
Really great thread. :) Thank you very much for the detailed information.

Kcspaceman
03-21-2010, 06:06 AM
I put together a photo gallery a number of years ago from images I scrounged off the internet, primarily of inside the reactor building. I did searches through russian search engines using multiple languages and stumbled across some old reports with some great photos, many of which aren't on the internet any more.

http://www.spaceman.ca/gallery/chernobyl

There are two pages, be sure to check out both. :)

marie pavie
03-22-2010, 09:52 PM
I put together a photo gallery a number of years ago from images I scrounged off the internet, primarily of inside the reactor building.. :)

Thanks for putting it up!

Suomis
03-24-2010, 10:08 AM
http://listverse.com/2010/03/22/top-10-places-you-dont-want-to-visit/

check out #2.

Just sayin.


If someone is wondering that wth? Then read the text under. Spoilers:

It is also included in STALKER: Shadow of Chernobyl, that my friend, is Pripyat.

gimpymoo
03-24-2010, 03:52 PM
Disaster at Chernobyl Part 1/6 (http://youtube.com/watch?v=uoEgkGNO-sQ)
Disaster at Chernobyl Part 2/6 (http://youtube.com/watch?v=Qe_sD7bPSvg)
Disaster at Chernobyl Part 3/6 (http://youtube.com/watch?v=WEO9JAMfWUc)
Disaster at Chernobyl Part 4/6 (http://youtube.com/watch?v=CLlrxplNnbI)
Disaster at Chernobyl Part 5/6 (http://youtube.com/watch?v=OwEIX4KU7r8)
Disaster at Chernobyl Part 6/6 (http://youtube.com/watch?v=-iDqzsTb3OM)

Great videos.

Thanks for the links.

oi u agree
03-30-2010, 08:33 PM
I visited Chernobyl in my dream once. I died of cancer. Then I woke up.

PenGun
04-11-2010, 09:10 PM
Some more from the Linux freaks at Phoronix. From this Easter 2010:

http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=14747

From Large Format Photography:

http://www.largeformatphotography.info/forum/showthread.php?t=57784&highlight=Chernobyl

TERR6RRUS
05-25-2010, 03:30 PM
Чернобiль in Ukraine. I saw trip to Chernobyl cost 2000-4000 rubs or 535 hryvnia .

brantregare
07-06-2010, 10:25 PM
Disturbing to think people will take shortcuts that can endanger life, just for more money =/

Just like BP in the gulf :(

Bad_Motha
07-06-2010, 10:33 PM
As if wallstreet doesn't also operate in the same manner, they'd sell their grandmother to get stocks to jump up.

Guyver3
08-30-2010, 04:25 PM
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JagFel
10-14-2010, 07:20 PM
http://englishrussia.com/index.php/2010/10/11/walking-on-the-territory-of-the-chernobyl-nuclear-plant/


Dunno if it's been posted, current pictures from inside the power plant.

Van Helsing
11-05-2010, 06:37 PM
I thought you might like to add this new documentary I recently watched, it's EXCELLENT.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5384001427276447319&q=chernobyl&total=3279&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=2

Wow, thanks for the link. Just finished watching this and I must say its as fascinating as it is chilling. A lot of information to digest. I expect i'll watch it again in a day or two after i've had time for it all to sink in.

Urhan
02-18-2011, 05:20 PM
I thought you might like to add this new documentary I recently watched, it's EXCELLENT.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5384001427276447319&q=chernobyl&total=3279&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=2

Indeed, it is excellent.

A lesson of History everyone should watch.

g859
03-09-2011, 04:18 PM
Just finished a fairly large grammar/spelling/mechanics edit on the OP. Added a little bit of info and removed some info that didn't really make sense.

g859
03-09-2011, 04:53 PM
*Edit* Also compiled a complete list of working links to images, videos, and other sites into the OP.

Zorvan
03-13-2011, 11:30 PM
As if wallstreet doesn't also operate in the same manner, they'd sell their grandmother to get stocks to jump up.

Yes, but screwing my stock portfolio doesn't quite compare to getting me roasted by atomic fire.

neural_jam
03-31-2011, 04:06 PM
I'm slightly dubious about the number of deaths quoted here, you seem to be working with the claims of the governments at the time (I read in passing somewhere that they were exaggerating claims in order to extract money from western countries... though how that would work I don't know, so I could be remembering that bit incorrectly).

However, to quote part of the abstract of Background Paper 3 from the 'One Decade after Chernobyl - Summing up the Consequences of the Accident' conference held in Vienna in April 1996:
"Although some increases in the frequency of cancer in exposed populations have been reported, these results are difficult to interpret, mainly because of differences in the intensity and method of follow-up between exposed populations and the general population with which they are compared. If the experience of the survivors of the atomic bombing of Japan and of other exposed populations is applicable, the major radiological impact of the accident will be cases of cancer. The total lifetime numbers of excess cancers will be greatest among the 'liquidators' (emergency and recovery workers) and among the residents of 'contaminated' territories, of the order of 2000 to 4600 among each group (the size of the exposed populations is 200,000 liquidators and 6,800,000 residents of 'contaminated' areas). These increases would be difficult to detect epidemiologically against an expected background number of 41,500 and 800,000 cases of cancer respectively among the two groups."

Basically, the additional adverse health effects caused by Chernobyl were/are a very small increase on the incidence of concers, etc., that would normally be expected for populations of that size. The full paper is here along with more recent analysis: http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/chernobyl/health_impacts.html

(the abstract is about halfway down)

The evacuation itself was mostly for show as well, in some cases the residents were moved to an area that actually had higher radiation levels due to the natural geology... I don't have a link for that, but it's in the notes from my masters :-)

The main problem caused (or at least exacerbated) by Chernobyl was not the radiation, but rather the fear of radiation. In the entire history of the nuclear industry, there have only been 5 or 6 major incidents. Compare that to all the oil spills and fires of the oil industry, and you can see why I think nuclear regulation is over the top... or maybe other industry's regulations are woefully inadequte. Maybe both.
But anyway, my point is that the fear of radiation is far worse than radiation itself... and I don't see why we should be afraid of it when it gives us the excuse to quaff a bottle of vodka :-p
Here's to a good day's work!

I've just realised that there's several pages of replies to the original post, so I may be repeating what someone else has said... apologies if this is so! D'oh!

g859
06-08-2011, 11:53 AM
Added Seconds From Disaster - S01E07 - Meltdown In Chernobyl (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RDKkUwTHOg) to OP.

g859
06-08-2011, 02:30 PM
Double post- added below section to OP:
If you are really into Nuclear physics/engineering and why this happened, check out these links:
Neutron Kinetics of the Chernobyl Accident (http://www.euronuclear.org/e-news/e-news-13/neutron-kinetics.htm)
Xenon Poisoning (http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/nucene/xenon.html)
Void coefficient (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Void_coefficient)
Chernobyl - Appendices: Positive Void Coefficient (http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/chernobyl/voidcoef.htm)
RBMK Reactor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RBMK)

skyerxd
07-13-2011, 10:12 AM
thanks amazing work

gestures468
08-15-2011, 06:57 PM
The pictures in the OP are broken, can you fix them please

the_pie_dude
10-25-2011, 01:01 PM
Nice work, didnt know all about it untill i read this thread :D

Andreson
04-04-2012, 05:42 AM
The pictures in the OP are broken, can you fix them please

The pictures in the OP are truly broken.

chest_rockwell
04-24-2012, 09:14 PM
26th year

Andreson
04-25-2012, 11:05 AM
26th year

Indeed. Let them rest in peace.

chest_rockwell
04-26-2012, 04:42 AM
Indeed. Let them rest in peace.

Yes. This incident seems local but it isnt. It affected whole eastern europe and thousands dead.. I live in turkey, istanbul I mean very north-west of the country. As a kid I remember babies with no arms or one eye or you know..born with radioation poisoning at the north of country. I remember seeing these on news as a kid. Also at top of turkey, shored to blacksea have the biggest fields of tea growing. year after year they warned our government (environment activists etc) to not GROW tea in blacksea shores. lots of people dead or poisoned. rising cancer rates.. now our government trying to build a nuclear reactor near mediterannean.. such a sad incident really. I hope they rest in peace who gave their lives..

Steelyglint
06-13-2012, 01:28 AM
Why are so many contributors to this thread now 'Banned'?

Did they get irradiated simply by posting and had to be subject to some kind of Steam 'decontamination'?

Chernobyl has its Liquidators: the Steam forum has the Liquidated.

.

deathfromace
06-24-2012, 02:36 PM
Figured this would of been posted here but I believe it was some time last year they opened public tours of Chernobyl so for those that would want to go it's possible.
http://stayinkiev.com/en/Chernobyl-Tour

marie pavie
07-07-2012, 10:43 PM
A BBC thing on the risk of a radioactive forest fire (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-18721292).

To help establish or disprove such hypotheses, Sergiy has come to Chernobyl to gather data about a very large fire which spread unchecked and destroyed a huge area of Scots pine in 1992. A colleague is preparing a scientific paper on the fire's consequences, which are still largely unknown.

Together, they hope to attract funding to model the danger represented by Chernobyl's forest.

If they can pinpoint the most vulnerable pine stands, the next step will be to persuade the Ukrainian government and other partners to invest in training and equipment to safeguard Chernobyl's firefighters, and perhaps eventually to clear parts of the forest considered to be at the most risk.

GI_Biochip
08-19-2012, 04:36 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INAlUGn0RYg&feature=relmfu

marie pavie
11-29-2012, 10:02 PM
The New Safe Confinement (NSC) has had a bunch of news stories the last couple a days...
The milestone first stage of the new sarcophagus for Chernobyl’s nuclear power station has been completed. The unique construction to safely contain the radioactive emissions of Chernobyl for the next 100 years will be ready by October 2015.http://rt.com/news/chernobyl-new-safe-confinement-773/

kwag_myers
01-18-2013, 09:01 AM
Interesting article on the Zone's wolfs, although it doesn't say anything about them being blind. I wonder how they missed that? :D

In Chernobyl, Mammal Tread Lightly Through Radiation Zones (http://www.takepart.com/article/2012/12/10/chernobyl-mammals-tread-lightly-through-snow-covered-radiation-zones?cmpid=tp-ad-outbrain-general)

I did a little googling since this isn't from a known-to-me news source and it looks legit.

KultanSwabi
02-14-2013, 06:19 PM
Wwhat is this, this, epicness! It's amazinnnggg!!!

Tozzifan
09-11-2013, 11:42 AM
thank you all

marie pavie
06-21-2014, 10:25 PM
Pic's
Then (http://englishrussia.com/2014/04/26/chernobyl-right-after-the-explosion-photos-and-facts/).

Now (http://englishrussia.com/2014/04/24/an-illegal-trip-to-chernobyl/).