The "Rate My Computer" Thread

[kdawgmaster]

8/10 IMO Ram spc's to vague, mobo?



9/10 killer rig



7.5/10 What rez 21.5" monitorovers 1980x1200/1080? Mobo? RAM speed/Timing's?

Monitors are 1920x1080 mobo is a gigabyte p45 ram speed were 800 but are just a little 1000 but I don't know the timings

[HL2-4-Life]

I don't believe the RAM speed/timing matters much, just as long as there's at least 4GB present in a 64bit OS. Having tighter timing RAM does help with synthetic benchmarks but in real world gaming, one might see a handful of fps increase (emphasis is on 'might) when compared between same CPU/mobo but different RAM used. What is more important is the amount of RAM used (I don't see any use for >6GB - 8GB, unless one does a lot of pro level video/photo editing and such).

As for kdawgmaster's rig, I'd rate it a solid 9 or higher (quad @3.2ghz + HD5870 deserve a '9' at the very least), need to know OS and PSU used though. Good to see another EyeFinity user in these here forums....;)

[borg_7_of_9]

Monitors are 1920x1080 mobo is a gigabyte p45 ram speed were 800 but are just a little 1000 but I don't know the timings

ok ill give 8.8 out of 10

I don't believe the RAM speed/timing matters much, just as long as there's at least 4GB present in a 64bit OS. Having tighter timing RAM does help with synthetic benchmarks but in real world gaming, one might see a handful of fps increase (emphasis is on 'might) when compared between same CPU/mobo but different RAM used. What is more important is the amount of RAM used (I don't see any use for >6GB - 8GB, unless one does a lot of pro level video/photo editing and such).

As for kdawgmaster's rig, I'd rate it a solid 9 or higher (quad @3.2ghz + HD5870 deserve a '9' at the very least), need to know OS and PSU used though. Good to see another EyeFinity user in these here forums....;)

I don't think it's worth a 9, I would not give mine a 9, I believe yours is worth a 9.5 but you have 2 HD5870's in CFX and a X9650 for the time X9770 was the top of the line S775 cpu

[kdawgmaster]

I don't believe the RAM speed/timing matters much, just as long as there's at least 4GB present in a 64bit OS. Having tighter timing RAM does help with synthetic benchmarks but in real world gaming, one might see a handful of fps increase (emphasis is on 'might) when compared between same CPU/mobo but different RAM used. What is more important is the amount of RAM used (I don't see any use for >6GB - 8GB, unless one does a lot of pro level video/photo editing and such).

As for kdawgmaster's rig, I'd rate it a solid 9 or higher (quad @3.2ghz + HD5870 deserve a '9' at the very least), need to know OS and PSU used though. Good to see another EyeFinity user in these here forums....;)

the psu is a coolermaster 850 silent pro modular. Also the os its windows 7. Sorry about not knowing the psu I wasn't at home and was on my samsung galaxy posting the message.

[HL2-4-Life]

the psu is a coolermaster 850 silent pro modular. Also the os its windows 7. Sorry about not knowing the psu I wasn't at home and was on my samsung galaxy posting the message.How's that phone? Do you like it? I'm thinking of going from my already beat up N97 to the Galaxy...sorry, this is soooo OT. :o

[kdawgmaster]

How's that phone? Do you like it? I'm thinking of going from my already beat up N97 to the Galaxy...sorry, this is soooo OT. :o

The phone is amazing. Texting is so much faster on it with swype. And the screen is the best iv seen and I have both the iphone 4 in my house along with this phone and this takes the cake by far. Lol sorry for jacking the thread XD

[DEATHx2]

Hey eveyone I just custom built my first desktop pc (previous laptop gamer) and I was just wondering what your thoughts your opinions on my new build were, thanks alot.

Keyboard: Logitech G110 Gaming Keyboard
Monitor: Asus 24inch Wide LCD Monitor VK246H
CPU Heatsink: Coolermaster V6GT CPU Heatsink Cooler
PSU: XFX 850W Black Edition S
CPU: Intel Core i7 950 Quad Core Processor
RAM: Corsair XMS3 DOMINATOR-GT 3X2GB DDR3-2000 CL8-9-8-24
GPU: ASUS GeForce GTX 470
SSD:Corsair Force Series 60GB 2.5IN SATA2 Solid State Disk
HDD: Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB SATA3 6GB/S 7200RPM
Motherboard: ASUS P6X58D-E
Case: Coolermaster Haf X
Speakers: Logitech z5500
OS: windows 7 hp 64


edit: lol thanks for moving this, didnt see the thread.

[rotNdude]

Hey eveyone I just custom built my first desktop pc (previous laptop gamer) and I was just wondering what your thoughts your opinions on my new build were, thanks alot.

Keyboard: Logitech G110 Gaming Keyboard
Monitor: Asus 24inch Wide LCD Monitor VK246H
CPU Heatsink: Coolermaster V6GT CPU Heatsink Cooler
PSU: XFX 850W Black Edition S
CPU: Intel Core i7 950 Quad Core Processor
RAM: Corsair XMS3 DOMINATOR-GT 3X2GB DDR3-2000 CL8-9-8-24
GPU: ASUS GeForce GTX 470
SSD:Corsair Force Series 60GB 2.5IN SATA2 Solid State Disk
HDD: Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB SATA3 6GB/S 7200RPM
Motherboard: ASUS P6X58D-E
Case: Coolermaster Haf X
Speakers: Logitech z5500
OS: windows 7 hp 64


edit: lol thanks for moving this, didnt see the thread.

I'll give it a 9.2/10. Pretty solid build with a good PSU, decent CPU, and nice video card.

[BionicAir]

Keyboard: Logitech G15
Monitor: Vizio 37" LCD HDTV
CPU Heatsink: Phenom II Fan/Heatsink
PSU: BFG 550W GX
CPU: AMD Phenom II 965 3.4Ghz Black Edition
RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600
GPU: XFX Radeon HD 5750
HDD: Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB 7200RPM
Motherboard: ASRock 870 Extreme 3
Case: Rosewill CHALLENGER (5 Fans)
Speakers: Logitech X-540 Surround Sound
OS: windows 7 64-bit

Could use an upgrade on the PSU,but its been solid so far. But plan on scrapping it in the near future anyways

[AsylumSatellite]

Keyboard: Microsoft Natural Multimedia Keyboard V1.0a
Monitor: Iiyama ProLite E1908WSV
CPU Heatsink: OCZ Vendetta 2
PSU: Corsair TX750W
CPU: AMD Phenom II 925 OC'd from 2.8 to 3.61GHz
RAM: 4GB OCZ Gold DDR3 1333MHz
GPU: ATI Radeon HD 5850 OC'd to 850/1200
HDD: Samsung 320GB (I forget the model)
Motherboard: ASUS M4A89TD Pro
Case: Antec 900
Speakers: Teac MC-DX20/Logitech X-230/Sennheiser HD555
OS: Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit

[DEATHx2]

I'll give it a 9.2/10. Pretty solid build with a good PSU, decent CPU, and nice video card.

awsome thanks

[masta121]

Keyboard: Microsoft Natural Multimedia Keyboard V1.0a
Monitor: Iiyama ProLite E1908WSV
CPU Heatsink: OCZ Vendetta 2
PSU: Corsair TX750W
CPU: AMD Phenom II 925 OC'd from 2.8 to 3.61GHz
RAM: 4GB OCZ Gold DDR3 1333MHz
GPU: ATI Radeon HD 5850 OC'd to 850/1200
HDD: Samsung 320GB (I forget the model)
Motherboard: ASUS M4A89TD Pro
Case: Antec 900
Speakers: Teac MC-DX20/Logitech X-230/Sennheiser HD555
OS: Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit

8.8

Doesn't really get much better unless you start doubling your budget.

[ThoughtForm]

Keyboard: Logitech G15
Monitor: Vizio 37" LCD HDTV
CPU Heatsink: Phenom II Fan/Heatsink
PSU: BFG 550W GX
CPU: AMD Phenom II 965 3.4Ghz Black Edition
RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600
GPU: XFX Radeon HD 5750
HDD: Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB 7200RPM
Motherboard: ASRock 870 Extreme 3
Case: Rosewill CHALLENGER (5 Fans)
Speakers: Logitech X-540 Surround Sound
OS: windows 7 64-bit

Could use an upgrade on the PSU,but its been solid so far. But plan on scrapping it in the near future anyways

I give this a 8/10 - Nice overall specs but i'm a bit puzzled by the choice of motherboard. Asus' ASRock line isn't geared towards gaming orientated builds (which yours seems to be) so the overclocking options could be limited? What speed have you got your CPU running at?


* Intel 6-core 980x Extreme Edition 3.33GHz @ 4GHz w/HT

* Asus Rampage III Extreme motherboard

* Asus EAH5970 2Gb Graphics card

* 12gb (6x2gb) DDR3 Corsair Dominator GT 1800mhz @ 1866mhz

* 1x Crucial C300 256gb SATA III RealSSD, 1xCorsair P128 128gb SSD, 1x 4Gb Gigabyte SATA i-ram (ramdrive), 1 x 16Gb SATA ACard ANS-9010 (ramdrive), 1 x 1Tb SATA2 HDD, 1x 320gb SATA2 HDD, 1x Blu ray drive, 1x DVD write

* Windows 7 Ultimate x64

* Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium Fatal1ty Champion edition

* NorthQ Siberian Tiger II sealed CPU watercooler (needs new bracket :( )

* CoolerMaster M1000 1KW Modular PSU

* Hauppauge WinTV-HVR 4000 quad mode HD digital and analogue satellite tuner

* Killer Xeno Pro gaming network card

* Viewsonic 28" LCD

* Zalman MFC2 fan controller

* CoolerMaster RC-1100 V2 Cosmos S case

* Logitech G19 LCD keyboard

* Logitech G5 Laser gaming mouse

Steam games played:
L4D1&2 (Rent a server from multiplay)
BFBC2 (played the Beta, thought 'meh', played the full single player and OMG the graphics are awesome!!! :D )
BF2 & BF2SF
CODMW2

[shuarma]

^ lol wow...i'd rate it a 9.5

heres mine:
Antec P-182 case
Intel E7500 - Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 CPU cooler
Asus P5Q Pro Turbo
XFX 9800GT 512mb
Corsair XMS2 2x2gb
OCZ stealthxstream (hate it) 600w
Dell 22inch ultrasharp

a bit dated i know, but it gets the job done

[borg_7_of_9]

@ shuarma 6/10 GPU,CPU are will behind now

@ ThoughtForm 9/10 (Closed loop cooling on a killer rig IMO)

[lasalasa]

CPU: Intel Core i7 950 @ 3.5Ghz
Mobo: Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R
HDD: Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB
Memory: G.Skill 6GB(3x2GB) 1600Mhz CL8 Ripjaws
Video Card: Sapphire HD5870 Vapor-X 1GB
DVD-RW: Samsung SH-S223 X22
Case: Cooler Master HAF 932
PSU: Seasonic X-750 750W
CPU Cooling: Thermalright Ultra-120 eXtreme w/ 2 120mm Fan

[MikeBlaszczak]

CPU: Intel Core i7 950 @ 3.5Ghz
Mobo: Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R
HDD: Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB
Memory: G.Skill 6GB(3x2GB) 1600Mhz CL8 Ripjaws
Video Card: Sapphire HD5870 Vapor-X 1GB
DVD-RW: Samsung SH-S223 X22
Case: Cooler Master HAF 932
PSU: Seasonic X-750 750W
CPU Cooling: Thermalright Ultra-120 eXtreme w/ 2 120mm Fan

-2 for overclocking, otherwise a decent build. 8/10

[lasalasa]

-2 for overclocking, otherwise a decent build. 8/10
Why is that?

And thank you.

[kdawgmaster]

new build

AMD phenomII X4 965 @ 3.4GH/Z (overclocking later)
G.Skill 1600 DDR3 ram
1TB western digital caviar black
1TB samsung (not spin point)
XFX 5870
Coolermaster 850watt silent pro modular
zalman 9900
GIGABYTE GA-890GPA-UD3H AM3 AMD 890GX mobo
Antec 902 gamer case
Razer imperator
Razer Lycosa
and three 21.5 inch benq monitors 1920X1080 running eyefinity at 5760X1080
OS win 7 64bit home premium
1 standard cd/dvd drive
1 blu ray/cd/dvd drive

[pnoozi]

Here's my craptastic craptop that crumbles when I try to turn on AA or shaders in any game.

Intel Core 2 Duo T9400 @ 2.53 GHz
4GB RAM
GeForce 9600M GS
Windows 7 Professional x64

Funny thing is, ultra high-res textures and playing at 1440x900 don't seem to faze my GPU. But as soon as I turn on the eye candy... EEEEEK.

[hanskb1]

1st post :D

Build:
PSU : Corsair HX750 Watt
Mobo : Asus P5Q Pro
CPU : Core 2 Quad 3ghz oc'd @ 3.6ghz
Ram : 8gb Corsair 1066mhz DDR2
GPU : ZOTAC GTX 470 AMP!
1x Corsair Vertex 2, 60gb SSD for windows
1x 500gb Seagate Momentus XT Hybrid HDD/SSD for games

Any idea how long till i have to upgrade? :D

[Kingpin{APS}]

Here's mine:

Amd Phenom II 1090T @3.2Ghz
Gigabyte 890FXA-UD5
Corsair H50 Cooler
4 Gb G.Skill Ripjaws DDR3
Sapphire Radeon HD 5850
Antec 900-2 Case
1 terabyte WD Caviar HDD
Corsair tx750w PSU

[BionicAir]

I give this a 8/10 - Nice overall specs but i'm a bit puzzled by the choice of motherboard. Asus' ASRock line isn't geared towards gaming orientated builds (which yours seems to be) so the overclocking options could be limited? What speed have you got your CPU running at?

I dont have the PC up and running yet..im on a tight budget,so i had to stick with not going over the top,or else i'd have to wait longer...i wouldnt overclock to extreme heights,i'd prob stay at stock speed for awhile,till the hardware starts to be engulfed in much higher processor speeds,and more cores..it'll most certainly serve its purpose for awhile

[SoutLift]

Looks like mine wins from what ive seen.

i7 920 @3.7ghz 40c idle
6gb muchkin @1300mhz
5870 800/1200 OC runs 55c max
Gigabyte EX58-UD3R
Dark Knight CPU cooler
Corsair HX 750watt PSU
Antec 900 with cold cathodes
Samsung Spinpoint F3

[borg_7_of_9]

Looks like mine wins from what ive seen.

i7 920 @3.7ghz 40c idle
6gb muchkin @1300mhz
5870 800/1200 OC runs 55c max
Gigabyte EX58-UD3R
Dark Knight CPU cooler
Corsair HX 750watt PSU
Antec 900 with cold cathodes
Samsung Spinpoint F3

hell no it don't lol

9/10 IMO

[borg_7_of_9]

1st post :D

Build:
PSU : Corsair HX750 Watt
Mobo : Asus P5Q Pro
CPU : Core 2 Quad 3ghz oc'd @ 3.6ghz
Ram : 8gb Corsair 1066mhz DDR2
GPU : ZOTAC GTX 470 AMP!
1x Corsair Vertex 2, 60gb SSD for windows
1x 500gb Seagate Momentus XT Hybrid HDD/SSD for games

Any idea how long till i have to upgrade? :D

8.5/10 IMO

[SoutLift]

hell no it don't lol

9/10 IMO

For games today? Yes it does... It plays everything on max no problem. That makes it the perfect PC.

[SoutLift]

1st post :D

Build:
PSU : Corsair HX750 Watt
Mobo : Asus P5Q Pro
CPU : Core 2 Quad 3ghz oc'd @ 3.6ghz
Ram : 8gb Corsair 1066mhz DDR2
GPU : ZOTAC GTX 470 AMP!
1x Corsair Vertex 2, 60gb SSD for windows
1x 500gb Seagate Momentus XT Hybrid HDD/SSD for games

Any idea how long till i have to upgrade? :D

I would upgrade CPU, Mobo, and Ram in the next 3 years.

[kdawgmaster]

ouch no one got mine :(

[borg_7_of_9]

new build

AMD phenomII X4 965 @ 3.4GH/Z (overclocking later)
G.Skill 1600 DDR3 ram
1TB western digital caviar black
1TB samsung (not spin point)
XFX 5870
Coolermaster 850watt silent pro modular
zalman 9900
GIGABYTE GA-890GPA-UD3H AM3 AMD 890GX mobo
Antec 902 gamer case
Razer imperator
Razer Lycosa
and three 21.5 inch benq monitors 1920X1080 running eyefinity at 5760X1080
OS win 7 64bit home premium
1 standard cd/dvd drive
1 blu ray/cd/dvd drive

9.5/10 nice build IMO (I don't give or Take point's for Over clocking)

[DEATHx2]

For games today? Yes it does... It plays everything on max no problem. That makes it the perfect PC.

Too you mabye, although it doesnt make it better than other peoples pc's wich are actually better.

[borg_7_of_9]

For games today? Yes it does... It plays everything on max no problem. That makes it the perfect PC.

look at post #5516 And say you win.

[DaDillsta]

i5-760 @ 2.8GHz
4GB G.SKILL Ripjaws DDR3-1333 MHz RAM
GTX480
eVGA P55 SLi
1TB Samsung Spinpoint F3
Tuniq Tower 120 Extreme
Coolermaster HAF 932
Logitech G5(Mouse)/G15(Keyboard)/G35(Headset) combo

[neurokirurgi]

Gaming rig:

AMD Phenom II X6 1075T @ 4.2GHZ, Noctua NH-D14
Asus M4N98TD EVO
2x Intel X25-M G2 80GB RAID0 + 1TB Samsung SpinPoint F3
2x2GB Corsair 1600MHZ CL8 DDR3-RAM
2x EVGA GTX 470 @ 825/3800mhz
Creative X-Fi XtremeGamer
Antec P182 w/ 5x Noctua 1200rpm fans
Corsair 750HX

Logitech UltraX Flat, Steelseries Ikari Laser, Sennheiser HD555 (foam mod), Logitech Desktop Mic

2x Samsung SyncMaster 2494HM 1920x1080

Running Windows 7 64-bit Ultimate

you have no idea how tough it was to find a decent SLI-capable AM3-mobo..

Laptop:

Lenovo ThinkPad Edge

15.6" HD LED (1366x768)
Intel Core i5-450M 2.40 GHz
4 GB (2x2GB) DDR3-1066
500GB SATA II 7200rpm
ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5145 512MB

Running Arch Linux

File server:

Running old hardware (Intel E6400, 2GB RAM etc) with the OpenSolaris-based Nexenta OS, 5x1.5TB EcoGreen drives in RAID-5 with the magical ZFS filesystem.

Spare gaming rig and LAN machine:

Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 @ stock w/ Noctua NH-U12P
Abit IP35-E
4GB DDR2
Nvidia GeForce 8800GT
500GB Samsung
Antec 300
Corsair VX450W

20" CRT @ 1600x1200 100hz

Running Windows XP Professional SP3 and Arch Linux

[emiih]

Intel Pentium D E2180 2.0Ghz OC @ 2.5Ghz
Asus P5GC-MX/1333
1Gb DDR2-667
Nvidia Geforce 8600GT DDR3 XXX Edition
160Gb Samsung
Generic Case
400w generic power supply

Yes, it sucks but at least i can play something :D

[neurokirurgi]

Intel Pentium D E2180 2.0Ghz OC @ 2.5Ghz
Asus P5GC-MX/1333
1Gb DDR2-667
Nvidia Geforce 8600GT DDR3 XXX Edition
160Gb Samsung
Generic Case
400w generic power supply

Yes, it sucks but at least i can play something :D
Get more RAM and you have a decent system for Source-based games

[Menaus]

I have a:

Compaq presario 061
3.2 ghz celeron D
nvidia geforce 7200 SE/7300 GS
1 GB RAM
Windows XP Pro sp3

my PC fails

[tHe wOrM!]

I have a:

Compaq presario 061
3.2 ghz celeron D
nvidia geforce 7200 SE/7300 GS
1 GB RAM
Windows XP Pro sp3

my PC fails


:D Bahaha. your PC fails really really bad. I give it a .7. But, look at my fail ---->
Athlon XP 2800+ o.c @ 2.2ghz
2gb 800mhz DDR
Geforce4 MX 420 AGP 8x
(2)PATA HD 80GB
Win XP Pro sp3

I took parts from dumpster pc's to make it that good.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~
Here's my next build:

~Intel Xeon 3440 $227
PNY XLR8 RVCGGTX465XXB GeForce GTX 465 (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit
ASUS Sabertooth
4gb Mushkin blackline DDR3 1600mhz; cas 7! $89.99 (79.99 MIR)
CORSAIR CMPSU-650TX 650W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC
Lian Li Pc-7FN
Noctua NH-U12P SE2 120mm SSO CPU Cooler
Any Recertified SATA HD
:rolleyes:

Any Ratings??

[borg_7_of_9]

:D Bahaha. your PC fails really really bad. I give it a .7. But, look at my fail ---->
Athlon XP 2800+ o.c @ 2.2ghz
2gb 800mhz DDR
Geforce4 MX 420 AGP 8x
(2)PATA HD 80GB
Win XP Pro sp3

I took parts from dumpster pc's to make it that good.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~
Here's my next build:

~Intel Xeon 3440 $227
PNY XLR8 RVCGGTX465XXB GeForce GTX 465 (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit
ASUS Sabertooth
4gb Mushkin blackline DDR3 1600mhz; cas 7! $89.99 (79.99 MIR)
CORSAIR CMPSU-650TX 650W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC
Lian Li Pc-7FN
Noctua NH-U12P SE2 120mm SSO CPU Cooler
Any Recertified SATA HD
:rolleyes:

Any Ratings??

first rig 4/10 seriously old

second rig 8/10 IMO


I have a:

Compaq presario 061
3.2 ghz celeron D
nvidia geforce 7200 SE/7300 GS
1 GB RAM
Windows XP Pro sp3

my PC fails

4/10 Celeron D and 7200se Graphic's

[Alkpaz2]

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/4170/pcspecs.jpg

Manufacturer: Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd.
Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU 975 @ 3.33GHz (8 CPUs), ~3.3GHz
Memory: 24576MB RAM
Hard Drive: 10 TB Total
Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 295
Monitor: SyncMaster 226BW, ASUS VG236 3D w/ 3D Vision
Sound Card: SoundBlaster X-Fi XtremeGamer Fatal1ty Pro
Speakers/Headphones: Logitech Z5300 5.1
Keyboard: Saitek Cyborg Keyboard (HID)
Mouse: Razer Naga
Mouse Surface: Illuminated Lazer mousepad.
Operating System: Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit (6.1, Build 7600) (7600.win7_gdr.100618-1621)
Motherboard: GA-EX58-UD5
Computer Case: Silverstone Raven RV01

"~Intel Xeon 3440 $227
PNY XLR8 RVCGGTX465XXB GeForce GTX 465 (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit
ASUS Sabertooth
4gb Mushkin blackline DDR3 1600mhz; cas 7! $89.99 (79.99 MIR)
CORSAIR CMPSU-650TX 650W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC
Lian Li Pc-7FN
Noctua NH-U12P SE2 120mm SSO CPU Cooler
Any Recertified SATA HD "

You have CAS 7 RAM which is good. An older Xeon processor, decent, Fermi but not the top of the line Fermi, which is about the same or less than my current card. 650W PSU; Noctua COOLER?! NICE.

5/10 Some older stuff in there, but you can keep a few things from that build and construct yourself a dream machine ;) I really want that brand of CPU cooler though.. I personally have a Coolmaster V8, but I read reviews of the Noctua cooler: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835608018

Also, about CAS 7: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231307
I have 1066 freq. and have those Ripjaws in my build. :)

[borg_7_of_9]

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/4170/pcspecs.jpg

Manufacturer: Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd.
Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU 975 @ 3.33GHz (8 CPUs), ~3.3GHz
Memory: 24576MB RAM
Hard Drive: 10 TB Total
Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 295
Monitor: SyncMaster 226BW, ASUS VG236 3D w/ 3D Vision
Sound Card: SoundBlaster X-Fi XtremeGamer Fatal1ty Pro
Speakers/Headphones: Logitech Z5300 5.1
Keyboard: Saitek Cyborg Keyboard (HID)
Mouse: Razer Naga
Mouse Surface: Illuminated Lazer mousepad.
Operating System: Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit (6.1, Build 7600) (7600.win7_gdr.100618-1621)
Motherboard: GA-EX58-UD5
Computer Case: Silverstone Raven RV01

9/10 what's with the GTX295 and all that ram? less ram for a better GPU would have been good.. I feel like taking more point's off.. (STRANGE IMO)

[borg_7_of_9]

The GTX 295 is because I don't like the temps on FERMI based cards. and with only a slight increase in FPS (~10 FPS) I didn't feel the need to spend ~$500 on another card, I might as well wait to see IF a GTX 495 will come out. I debated about ATI but then I don't know if I will loose my 3D Vision if I make the switch..



I think the GTX460 would have been a better choice for higher rez with newer game's but it's only an opinion, + the DX11 support

[GoDMiN]

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/4170/pcspecs.jpg

Manufacturer: Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd.
Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU 975 @ 3.33GHz (8 CPUs), ~3.3GHz
Memory: 24576MB RAM
Hard Drive: 10 TB Total
Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 295
Monitor: SyncMaster 226BW, ASUS VG236 3D w/ 3D Vision
Sound Card: SoundBlaster X-Fi XtremeGamer Fatal1ty Pro
Speakers/Headphones: Logitech Z5300 5.1
Keyboard: Saitek Cyborg Keyboard (HID)
Mouse: Razer Naga
Mouse Surface: Illuminated Lazer mousepad.
Operating System: Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit (6.1, Build 7600) (7600.win7_gdr.100618-1621)
Motherboard: GA-EX58-UD5
Computer Case: Silverstone Raven RV01

Keep in mind I rate PCs here as if they are gaming PCs, and having "the best out there" wont help ratings for me, and often hurt ratings the way I view things.

CPU -10 for getting something super over priced with no real performance increase compared to a common quad

Ram -10 for having more than 4-6gb. Anything more than that won't increase performance and is just a waste of money

Mobo 0 for being a x58 board. 1156 and AM3 boards are better for gaming imo.

GPU +5 good, but its a dual GPU card, these setups have lots of un-needed problems

Sound card +20, few computers actually have a decent sound card

Speakers -9001, (yes over 9000) total waste of your sound card.... Get a decent pair of headphones. With speakers you may as well use onboard sound

Monitor +9009 (yes over 9000, again) 120hz monitors ftw, nuff said

Mouse, +10 good MMO mouse imo

OS -10, again overpriced for no reason

HDDs, +10, lot of space but no SSD? In THIS overpriced money hungry rig?

Case +10 good case

Lack of a PSU -9000, hows it going to run?


Total: 9013, not that good IMHO. Sure it'll top the FPS of most PCs out there, but not by much, totally not worth the extra cost. That money could of been used for more games, a 3 monitor setup, or better yet feeding a hungry kid in a 3rd world country.

Suggestions: next time you upgrade your PC I'd go with a mid ranged CPU due to how much they actually effect anything now a days in PC games, and a uber single GPU card, rather than a dual GPU card. The ram is also way more than is needed. You're not getting any performance over someone with just 4gb.


Gaming rig:

AMD Phenom II X6 1075T @ 4.2GHZ, Noctua NH-D14
Asus M4N98TD EVO
2x Intel X25-M G2 80GB RAID0 + 1TB Samsung SpinPoint F3
2x2GB Corsair 1600MHZ CL8 DDR3-RAM
2x EVGA GTX 470 @ 825/3800mhz
Creative X-Fi XtremeGamer
Antec P182 w/ 5x Noctua 1200rpm fans
Corsair 750HX

Logitech UltraX Flat, Steelseries Ikari Laser, Sennheiser HD555 (foam mod), Logitech Desktop Mic

2x Samsung SyncMaster 2494HM 1920x1080

Running Windows 7 64-bit Ultimate

you have no idea how tough it was to find a decent SLI-capable AM3-mobo..

CPU +10, I'm not sold on any CPUs over 4 cores as of now, due to how many games actually use 4 cores, let alone 6 or more. But the AMDx6 is only $300ish, which is how much a i5 cost, so theres no reason to NOT get it imo :3

Mobo, -10, Nvida chipset, hate them.

SSD, +10, and they're in RAID0? thats fast >.<

HDD +5, good about of space

GPU, -10, dual GPU setup, hate em, lots of un-needed problems, and often not worth the money for the increase. The 470s I cant say for sure because I haven't seen BMs on them, but assuming they scale as good as the 460s add 5 points

Sound card +20

Headphones +20, I use the same sound card/headphone setup actually

Mic +5 and I use the same mic >.<

PSU +10, good PSU.

OS -10, over priced, HP is fine, so is Pro.

Monitors +10

Total: 60, good setup, don't like the dual GPU setups for many reasons.

Suggestions: Imo you'd be better off getting a single GTX 480 or ATi 5870. May not run as fast, but fewer problems and you'll still get uber FPS, and if needed later on if you actually need more GPU power you can always buy a 2nd card when they are cheaper and half way worth the increase

[doggie015]

My main computer (Laptop):

OS: Windows 7 Home premium x64 edition

Processor: Intel core i7 @ 1.6 GHz, 4 cores (8 with hyper-threading), turbo to 2.8 GHz
Memory: 4GB RAM
GPU: 1GB nVidia GeForce GT330M
Display: Integrated 1366x768 LED
Stand: Logitech Alto
External keyboard: Apple extended USB keyboard ('Borrowed' from an eMac gathering dust in a cupboard somewhere...)
External mouse: Laser branded optical wireless (2.4 GHz band) mouse
Built-in sound: Dolby home theater stereo speakers
Laptop brand: Acer
Laptop model: Aspire 5745G

Able to run ANY source game at native resolution with high detail settings and anti-aliasing at 80+ FPS (as in NEVER below 80 except during loading!)

[GoDMiN]

@GoDMiN: I still haven't updated all my equipment, since I cannibalized my older machine. The SSD is something I'm looking into though, (see edited post)
Well the reason I bring up SSDs is because your system cost so much, and didn't even have a SSD, which was odd to me. I don't take points away for not having one.

My GPU has been serving me well, and have fixed many issues with games using these boards.
And you may not have even had those problems if you had a single GPU card. SLi and CFX just isn't good enough IMO. It seems dual GPU setups and card always have problems you don't have with single card setups. Not to mention in Dual GPU setups your paying for half or less of the performance of one of the cards 90% of the time. The only setup I've liked for dual GPU setups are the 460s and 4770s.


The RAM was cheap.. (see edited posts) Don't care if it was cheap or not, anymore than 4gb (or 6 in your case) is a total waste of money for gaming.

The Speakers were from my old P4 3.6, the work well, and disturb the neighbors, but I do intend on getting some digital 5.1s soon. Get HD555 headphones, really any headphones is SOOOO much better than ANY speaker setup out there.

As for the mobo, I went cheap on it, yes. But I am eyeing one of the SATA 6 USB 3.0 boards Gigabyte has, but the ratings on the UD9 really let me down.. seems like the UD9 is a problem choaked board. I will not move from Gigabyte though, even though I do like some of the EVGA boards. EVGA is the best IMHO, love their stuff. However the reason I don't like your board is because its a X58 and uses tri-chan RAM. Sure, its better for a editing PC, but for gaming, no difference at all than common dual chan ram when it comes to performance. Which is why I like 1156 and AM3 board better. This whole Tri-chan ram thing is just another intel fail like RDRAM was.

[GoDMiN]

My main computer (Laptop):

OS: Windows 7 Home premium x64 edition

Processor: Intel core i7 @ 1.6 GHz, 4 cores (8 with hyper-threading), turbo to 2.8 GHz
Memory: 4GB RAM
GPU: 1GB nVidia GeForce GT330M
Display: Integrated 1366x768 LED
Stand: Logitech Alto
External keyboard: Apple extended USB keyboard ('Borrowed' from an eMac gathering dust in a cupboard somewhere...)
External mouse: Laser branded optical wireless (2.4 GHz band) mouse
Built-in sound: Dolby home theater stereo speakers
Laptop brand: Acer
Laptop model: Aspire 5745G

Able to run ANY source game at native resolution with high detail settings and anti-aliasing at 80+ FPS (as in NEVER below 80 except during loading!)

CPU -10, i7 in laptops are fail imho. eats bat life like crazy even at lower clocks.

Ram +10

GPU +10

Rez +5

Mouse -50 for being wireless

Total: -35, I've never been a fan of i7s in laptops. They're destop CPUs, you're better off with a i3. Wireless mice are a joke to gaming, nuff said.

[GoDMiN]

lol, funny you mention RDRAM, I did have that type of RAM on a P4 2.0 And it was hell trying to find memory for it. Thanks for the advice GoDMiN, I'll take some of that into consideration. Can't promise you that I will ditch the speakers though! My PC is also my stereo, and most times my TV/work PC as well.

Like I said, keep in mind I rate it as a gaming PC, your setup might be uber for different types of editing because of the CPU and ram (the to biggest dislikes of mine) but for gaming, not much better than a common i5 or AMD P2 setup in performance.

Anyway as far as sound goes, I use to run my PC as my stereo as well. I used a Audio-switch so I could have both.

[DEATHx2]

changed mine up a little bit what do you guys think

MB: asus p6x58d-e
GPU: asus gtx 470
CPU: i7 950
HDD: wd caviar black 1tb
SDD: corsair force 60gb
RAM: Corsair XMS3 DOMINATOR-GT 3X2GB DDR3-2000 CL8-9-8-24
PSU: xfx 850w

[doggie015]

Hmm... The CPU is a nice choice if you want to get the most out of your graphics, that card means business! Hopefully you've got more than a few fans in your system; start playing graphically intensive games like Mafia II and it's gonna get real hot real quick

[DEATHx2]

yea it has 1 120mm, 3 200mm's, 1 230mm and a v6gt heatsink for the cpu in a haf x case

[borg_7_of_9]

changed mine up a little bit what do you guys think

MB: asus p6x58d-e
GPU: asus gtx 470
CPU: i7 950
HDD: wd caviar black 1tb
SDD: corsair force 60gb
RAM: Corsair XMS3 DOMINATOR-GT 3X2GB DDR3-2000 CL8-9-8-24
PSU: xfx 850w

9/10 IMO nice build..

[steelbom]

changed mine up a little bit what do you guys think

MB: asus p6x58d-e
GPU: asus gtx 470
CPU: i7 950
HDD: wd caviar black 1tb
SDD: corsair force 60gb
RAM: Corsair XMS3 DOMINATOR-GT 3X2GB DDR3-2000 CL8-9-8-24
PSU: xfx 850w
8/10 pretty nice rig!!

Mine:

i7 860 @ 2.8GHz
ATI Radeon HD 4850M 512MB
12GB 1066MHz RAM
2 TB Hitatchi HD
Snow Leopard, Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit

[doggie015]

Mine:

i7 860 @ 2.8GHz
ATI Radeon HD 4850M 512MB
12GB 1066MHz RAM
2 TB Hitatchi HD
Snow Leopard, Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit

6/10 IMO. 512 MB graphics card is a major bottleneck and why are you running a hackintosh anyway? :P

[steelbom]

6/10 IMO. 512 MB graphics card is a major bottleneck and why are you running a hackintosh anyway? :P
It's a mobility card too :/ it does pretty well though at native res. And, I'm not running a hackintosh :)

[FoxNLD16]

Doesnt it depend on what he does with it?

My system:

i7 920 still at stock speeds
P6T Deluxe V2
12gb OCZ 1066 ddr3
2x 1TB Samsung Spinpoint F1
2x Gtx460
Coolermaster Silent Pro M500

the PSU is a bit 'low' but got it back from an RMA when my old PSU died. was the only one available at the time.

[borg_7_of_9]

Doesnt it depend on what he does with it?

My system:

i7 920 still at stock speeds
P6T Deluxe V2
12gb OCZ 1066 ddr3
2x 1TB Samsung Spinpoint F1
2x Gtx460
Coolermaster Silent Pro M500

the PSU is a bit 'low' but got it back from an RMA when my old PSU died. was the only one available at the time.

8.5/10 IMO whats with all the ram? I'm surprised the PSU is still going with 2xGTX460's

[GoDMiN]

Doesnt it depend on what he does with it?

My system:

i7 920 still at stock speeds
P6T Deluxe V2
12gb OCZ 1066 ddr3
2x 1TB Samsung Spinpoint F1
2x Gtx460
Coolermaster Silent Pro M500

the PSU is a bit 'low' but got it back from an RMA when my old PSU died. was the only one available at the time.

CPU -5, would be -10 but you didn't OC (which is a good thing)

Mobo, -5 really don't like 1366 sockets :(

Ram -5, may as well just use 6gb as said before, having any more than that isn't getting you anything

HDD, +10 good amount of space

GPU, +20, This is one of two SLi/CFX setups I think are worth it.

PSU, +5 good enough imo, though I'd move to a 700w corsair PSU because you're using SLi, but meh if it runs :D

Case -9000, no case? :eek:

Total: -8980, Good system even though I don't like the CPU and mobo for gaming setups, also don't need that much ram.

Ratings
Raw power: 10/10, theres nothing you cant run
Balance: 7/10, for that CPU I'd rather see dual 5970s but meh still very nice
Bottle necks: 9/10, again, could use better GPUs for that CPU, but w/e
Cost: 6/10, could of gotten a AMD 940, 955 or intel i5 around the time when that CPU came out
Overall: 8/10


Suggestions: I'd move to a bigger PSU ASAP. Don't know if you're having crashes, but its a little too close to being underpowered for me

[FoxNLD16]

Still no crashes and forgot to put my case in my original post.
Using a Antec 900 II.
I got the overkill ram because it was really cheap at the moment i bought it.

And dual 5970's are really really expensive. Not that the SLI 460's were 'cheap' but those were a good price/performance combo imo.

Im thinking about putting an SSD in it too soon. Should i?
The PSU might be a bigger problem as i know already. Couldnt be arsed to get one sooner but thanks for the tip ;)

[doggie015]

GoDMiN, what is your problem with i7's? Have you even USED one for gaming?

[Shen]

lol at -9000 for not having a case.

[madpistol]

GoDMiN, what is your problem with i7's? Have you even USED one for gaming?

Yea. That's what I was thinking...

I mean, I have a system based on a Phenom II X4, and I'm really proud of the fact that it plays games extremely well without breaking the bank. However, if someone chooses to build a system based around an i7, I never put them down for such a thing. I don't think it's really worth the money if you're only gaming, but the system will still be extremely fast and efficient. Nothing wrong with that. :)

[neurokirurgi]

How can overclocking be considered negative? More performance overweighs the power comsumption and the shortened life doesn't matter, it's a relic after a couple of years anyways.

Godmin doesn't seem to know much about hardware. He would like to see a pair of HD5970 along side a i7 920 at stock speeds. Wow.

[MikeBlaszczak]

How can overclocking be considered negative?It's easy; we've discussed the negatives many times in this thread.

[The Don]

Last time I checked this thread you just rated all the components out of ten!

[neurokirurgi]

It's easy; we've discussed the negatives many times in this thread.
Please quote some of the negatives then.

[GoDMiN]

GoDMiN, what is your problem with i7's? Have you even USED one for gaming?

My problem with i7s is because in real world gaming they don't offer ANYTHING in terms of performance over a i5/1156 or AM3/AM2+ setup, plus they use tri-channel ram, which also doesn't give you ANY performance advantage as well. A i7 will do better in editing ect, but for gaming, which is what I rate PCs on in this thread they're pointless and overpriced.


I love referring to this review on a i7 920 and a AMD 955. Clearly shows why I'm not impressed by the 1366 i7s

http://www.pureoverclock.com/review.php?id=794&page=1

One of my favorite quotes from it is where they talk about what you're actually paying for each FPS, it reads...

http://www.pureoverclock.com/review.php?id=794&page=12

What you see above is how much it would cost you per framerate (increase) with a Core i7 system over a Phenom II system. The higher the number above, the worse it is because the more you will be paying for performance increase. What is being shown, for example in Left 4 Dead, is that it will cost you $26.88 extra per frame to buy a Core i7 system for gaming.

So if you get 5 fps higher in Left 4 Dead, that just cost you almost $135. Would you pay $135 for 5 fps? Can you see the difference between 114 and 119 fps? And where the two systems are even more closely matched, the case becomes worse for the Intel setup. Since the results for Crysis: Warhead are tied in single GPU configuration, this means you are paying $215 for absolutely no gaming performance increase whatsoever. That is probably very sobering for the Intel Hammer Legion Members in the house right about now.

Now consider this: for a current difference of $215, you can purchase a second Radeon 4890 to go with a Crossfire setup in a Phenom II system. From a gaming perspective, the Core i7 system simply cannot compete with this.

Ofc this review is a bit older, but still valid in its points, and we see the same thing with the AMD 1090T vs the Intel i7-970, or with the intel 1156 CPUs and the AMD 955/965 vs the i7 950. Hell a AMD 1090T is CHEAPER than a i7 950 even.

Really when it comes down to it the i7s aren't gaming CPUs they're made for editors, and I get a good laugh when people put them in gaming PCs because they're not getting better performance than a i5 or AMD Pii setup and might even be getting worse performance because they wasted their budget on the CPU instead of the GPU

Please quote some of the negatives then.

I'll help Mike out here

Bob Colwell was one of the engineers who designed the Pentium processor. He wrote a paper for the IEEE called "The Zen of Overclocking (http://www.computer.org/portal/web/csdl/doi/10.1109/MC.2004.1273994)", where he describes overclocking as "an exercise in better than worst-case operation". If you're an engineer, you understand what a stern statement this is; "worst-case" is the most difficult situation you expect your product to face.

People around here seem to love car analogies, no matter how poorly they apply. If I designed a car, I might try to engineer it so that it could withstand -20 degrees celcius. If you lived in a place where it was regularly colder than this, you shouldn't buy my car; perhaps you should buy a nice truck, instead. It's a reasonalbe design trade-off, right?

People who overclock insist on buying the car because they don't want to buy a truck. They force the car to run at -30 or -40 degrees, and insist that they know what they're doing. Maybe they do, and maybe they don't.

Largely, in fact, they don't. If you look at threads here, people are reluctant to mention that they overclock. If someone asks them and they do admit it, they insist that it's got nothing to do with the problem they're experiencing. It's possible that it doesn't, but they've done nothing to determine that they've eliminated either the direct or residual effects of overclocking as an issue.

Most people here can't imagine writing complicated software. Some can--they know that their programs execute millions of instructions per second and are completely dependent on the accurate execution of program steps, and the invariant retreival and storage of data from and to memory. Overclocked computers may or may not perform some or any of these operations--some of millions per second--incorrectly, without warning.

Let's take that software and ship it to 50 million users. If only 0.1% of people have machines that aren't working correclty, 50,000 users will have problems. Do you think that 0.1% of stock machines have failures? Do you think that 0.1% of overclocked machines have failures?

It's already happened in this thread that overclockers have claimed that they "don't notice" any problems. Have they really validated even a few hundred of the millions of operations that their machines complete in just one second?

When I worked at Microsoft, I had access to the database which collects crash dumps. I investigated crashes which affected software that I shipped directly, as well as some of the crashes which were attributed to libraries which I wrote that were used by other programs. Certainly, I had bugs to fix, as other developers around me did. But the majority of crash reports were from computers that were failing and still active. Checks were added to the reporting code to find overclocked machines, and it was easy to see that the vast majority of unexplained failures were attributable to those machines. Programs were crashing not because of bugs, but because properly written code was getting incorrect results from the machine; 3+3 was found to be 7, or 11, or -4. Sometimes, it was six. But not always; and a machine that returns the wrong answer even once of a hundred million operations is unstable and useless.

I'm sure your individual overclock is completely stable. (Well, LOL, I'm actually not. That's the problem; nobody knows if it is working or not!) But the observation of hundreds of millions of machines in a population running known software tells us that your completely reliable, over-exerted out-of-tolerance machine is entirely the exception to the norm.

My co-workers and I are stuck diagnosing and explaining these problems to customers, when they're actually the direct fault of the customers themselves!

Anyway, that's why I take points off for overclocked rigs.

Last time I checked this thread you just rated all the components out of ten! I like to rate them differently. With the way I rate, I can show the parts I don't like and parts I do like easier.

For example if someone had this rig, I would rate like this

CPU: i5 760 stock clocked (+20)
GPU: ATi 5540 (-50)
RAM: 2gb (-10)
HDD: 80gb 5400RPM PATA (-20)
PSU: 1000w Corsair (-20)
Case: HAF 932 (+10)

I can show easily why I think the CPU and case are good, and the rest makes no since, and how much of a problem I think they are. Ofc I also take cost in to effect, good example is Alkpaz2s rig on page 370

[neurokirurgi]

So basically Mike here is saying that he has a grudge against overclocking because it causes crashing and other anomalies (and more work for him)?

That's why there is n+1 different apps to test the stability of systems. People overclock because they want to have more performance for a lower cost, simple as that.

I actually frown upon custom built systems that aren't overclocked. All that performance is there within a few changes, enabling you to get that bottleneck out of your system and speed up your games and apps.

Oh yeah, Microsoft software tends to crash and plain out just suck with or without overclocking.

[borg_7_of_9]

So basically Mike here is saying that he has a grudge against overclocking because it causes crashing and other anomalies (and more work for him)?

That's why there is n+1 different apps to test the stability of systems. People overclock because they want to have more performance for a lower cost, simple as that.

I actually frown upon custom built systems that aren't overclocked. All that performance is there within a few changes, enabling you to get that bottleneck out of your system and speed up your games and apps.

Oh yeah, Microsoft software tends to crash and plain out just suck with or without overclocking.

The problem with app's that stress the cpu is they don't stress every single part of the cpu only a had full of cpu command's are tested witch still leaves a lot of untested command's that may cause an instability..

My rig is over clocked and I'm not afraid to say it, but with all the different software I run and the fact it never has random crashes I believe it's very stable.. If just one program crashed for no reason I would first look at changing my over clock.

I have seen it in the forum's before where some one was having video driver crashes after updating video driver's but nothing he tried fixed the issue. Turned out his over clock was corrupting the driver download's but they still installed.

So I say this to anyone that has an over clocked rig if something is not working try at stock clock's and reinstall the program/drivers that are causing the issue if that don't fix the issue it's possible your whole windows instillation is corrupt..

[rotNdude]

So basically Mike here is saying that he has a grudge against overclocking because it causes crashing and other anomalies (and more work for him)?

That's why there is n+1 different apps to test the stability of systems. People overclock because they want to have more performance for a lower cost, simple as that.

I actually frown upon custom built systems that aren't overclocked. All that performance is there within a few changes, enabling you to get that bottleneck out of your system and speed up your games and apps.

Oh yeah, Microsoft software tends to crash and plain out just suck with or without overclocking.

Then you rate the systems that have been posted the way you want to. Mike has his rating criteria and all of us have our own rating criteria.

[MikeBlaszczak]

So basically Mike here is saying that he has a grudge against overclocking because it causes crashing and other anomalies (and more work for him)?It's more work and expense for everyone, really -- particularly the owner of the overclocked machine.

That's why there is n+1 different apps to test the stability of systems. People overclock because they want to have more performance for a lower cost, simple as that.It's a bit more complicated than that, isn't it? Have they adequately valued their time when computing cost? Accounted for the risk to their hardware and data?

I actually frown upon custom built systems that aren't overclocked. All that performance is there within a few changes, enabling you to get that bottleneck out of your system and speed up your games and apps.Then, when you rate systems in this thread, remember to take that into account.

Oh yeah, Microsoft software tends to crash and plain out just suck with or without overclocking.How does such an petty attack further your argument? Are you really so threatened by my opinion about a practice that you have to make silly, unsustainable generalizations to belittle the work of tens of thousands of people at a particular company? Couldn't you cook up a more reasoned defense of the practice?

[neurokirurgi]

The problem with app's that stress the cpu is they don't stress every single part of the cpu only a had full of cpu command's are tested witch still leaves a lot of untested command's that may cause an instability..

My rig runs prime95 for 16 hours without a crash. I haven't had a single issue with my current build (had some problem with an ATI card while back but that's an another story).

I consider that a stable system.

It's more work and expense for everyone, really -- particularly the owner of the overclocked machine.
You cannot have everything in life, you have to make choices. You make your choice, spend 2-3 hours (rough estimate) experimenting with voltages and clockspeeds to get more performance.

Or you leave it at stock speeds.

You trade in stabilty and reliability for more performance. In the best case, you can have both, as in a stable overclock.


It's a bit more complicated than that, isn't it? Have they adequately valued their time when computing cost? Accounted for the risk to their hardware and data?
Every one who overclocks is aware of (or should be) the risks. The risk of damaging your hardware is minimal unless you apply too much voltage or overheat your components.


How does such an petty attack further your argument? Are you really so threatened by my opinion about a practice that you have to make silly, unsustainable generalizations to belittle the work of tens of thousands of people at a particular company? Couldn't you cook up a more reasoned defense of the practice?
Microsoft is the biggest devil in the computer software business. They place artificial restrictions into their operating systems. They do their outmost to block free standardization of document formats, like ODF, because that would limit their control of office apps with the Word format. They limit their OS's in order to get people spending more to get basic functionality. Take Windows 7 Starter for example. It would have been much easier for Microsoft just to leave it enabled, like it is in every other Windows 7 version. But no. They spend time and money removing features from the users.

Why would I trust such a company?

Windows has a long history of security vulnerabilities, enabling the spread of viruses and allowing remote users to take over people's computers for use in spam-sending botnets. Because the software is secret, all users are dependent on Microsoft to fix these problems -- but Microsoft has its own security interests at heart, not those of its users. Now, in a open source system, every single user can see the code and point out security flaws.
“With enough eyeballs, all bugs are shallow.”

The future is open source software, without restrictions.

[GoDMiN]

So Neurokirurgi I take it you use Linux?

[MikeBlaszczak]

You trade in stabilty and reliability for more performance. In the best case, you can have both, as in a stable overclock.The best case is actually an experiment in a worst-case scenario -- nothing more than that.

Every one who overclocks is aware of (or should be) the risks. Unfortunately, I'm afraid they aren't. Several people in this thread weren't, for example. Nobody I talk to are like you; they insist the "risks are minimal" and that their "machines are stable" without knowing the real story. They don't know how much stability and reliability they've traded for their small gain in performance.

Why would I trust such a company?I don't care if you do or don't. What I wonder is what your rant has to do with overclocking, or rating computer builds.

[borg_7_of_9]

My rig runs prime95 for 16 hours without a crash. I haven't had a single issue with my current build (had some problem with an ATI card while back but that's an another story).

I consider that a stable system.


I have seen prime95 pass 10 hours of testing and then Intel burn test has failed within 4 passes on the same rig with the same setting/overclock, And temp's where well within limit's. Explain that..

I'm not saying you rig is unstable just that app's to test over clocking may not stimulate every possible instruction a cpu can execute, leaving the unknown..

[Bugs Bunny]

just my random thoughts:

People who overclock insist on buying the car because they don't want to buy a truck.
what if you already have a truck, but it's the fastest model and you want it to go faster?
(but you are completely right - in general people like to get more than their money's worth)

but also, isn't it human nature to always want to go beyond limits? examples - going to the moon, cloning, and who knows maybe one day traveling out of our galaxy if people keep pursuing higher limits.


people are reluctant to mention that they overclock. If someone asks them and they do admit it, they insist that it's got nothing to do with the problem they're experiencing.
I do overclock. I guess some people don't like to think they are wrong/make mistakes. I certainly do make mistakes.

Do you think that 0.1% of stock machines have failures? Do you think that 0.1% of overclocked machines have failures?
i'm guessing the large majority of failures are the overclocked machines, but I also think stock machines can have failures.
I admit I can't say if my overclocks are stable with 100% certainty, but I make sure to check to the best of my knowledge to get as close to certainty as possible. (which unfortunately some people don't do.)


and a machine that returns the wrong answer even once of a hundred million operations is unstable and useless.
for certain companies I could understand. Here's where I do not think the same - for personal use I don't mind if it makes a minor mistake very very rarely if it is normally performing operations faster.

I think an overclock can save you time depending on what you use your computer for or even make the processor more energy efficient in some cases (as in it uses more energy, but the performance increase to extra energy usage tradeoff is much better than compared to stock)

I have never reported a crash/failure to Microsoft so don't worry you'll/they'll never have to deal with me :)

correct me if i'm wrong but I think you are more against the people who overclock, and think they know what they are doing and also think there are no problems caused by overclocking rather then overclocking as a whole.
(Then when they have a problem, get defensive because they think someone is attacking their knowledge as well as causing other people problems in the process - extra work etc.)


I mean if say the same processor could run 200MHz faster and it could be proven that it never makes mistakes or has failures wouldn't you rather have the faster choice which could save you precious time if unavoidable downsides didn't matter to you? (extra heat [well could be nice in winter...], extra energy usage etc.)


on topic, FoxNLD16 your RAM and Power Supply could be from a more reliable brand but as long as they're running fine, great 9/10 if you actually make use of that 12GB of RAM

[FoxNLD16]

Im not using that RAM at full load.
I used to be on school and for my studies i had to run several virtual machines for testing purposes. (Serv2008, xp/vista/7 machines) etc to build networks.

I know its overkill, but i dont think theres any reason to throw it away now.

Bigger problem is the PSU, Which brand do you people recommend?

- and i thought OCZ was a pretty good brand on memory level? - :x

[dunny774]

- Amd Phenom II 1055T overclocked to 4.25GHZ, running a CPU NB of 3.15GHZ, it's passed 8 hours of Prime stable. It's running a HTL of 2205MHZ
- 4GB DDR3 G.Skill 7-7-7-21-27-1T 1680MHZ
- 2 X Intel V 40GB X25's in RAID 0 running Windows 7 Premium
- XFX 5970 @ Stock clocks
- 1 x 1TB F1 HDD and 1 x 250GB Seagate HDD
- 1000W OCZ ProXStream PSU
- Coolermaster HAF 932 with around 12 fans
- Custom watercooling loop consisting of a 120.2 Rad with a 750lp/h pump and a dual bay res with an EK Supreme CPU block
- Dell P2210H 1920x1080
- Asus Crosshair IV Formula

[neurokirurgi]

So Neurokirurgi I take it you use Linux?
On everything else apart from my gaming rig, yes. I also use the OpenSolaris-based Nexenta OS on my home file server.



and a machine that returns the wrong answer even once of a hundred million operations is unstable and useless.
for certain companies I could understand. Here's where I do not think the same - for personal use I don't mind if it makes a minor mistake very very rarely if it is normally performing operations faster.[/COLOR]
A machine that returns the wrong answer is, as Mike said, useless. That wrong answer is the cause to crashes. This is the reason you run apps like Prime95, IBT, OCCT and FurMark.

I have seen prime95 pass 10 hours of testing and then Intel burn test has failed within 4 passes on the same rig with the same setting/overclock, And temp's where well within limit's. Explain that..
I do recall having run IBT for 4-5 hours before I wanted to play, so I stopped it.

- Amd Phenom II 1055T overclocked to 4.25GHZ, running a CPU NB of 3.15GHZ, it's passed 8 hours of Prime stable. It's running a HTL of 2205MHZ
- 4GB DDR3 G.Skill 7-7-7-21-27-1T 1680MHZ
- 2 X Intel V 40GB X25's in RAID 0 running Windows 7 Premium
- XFX 5970 @ Stock clocks
- 1 x 1TB F1 HDD and 1 x 250GB Seagate HDD
- 1000W OCZ ProXStream PSU
- Coolermaster HAF 932 with around 12 fans
- Custom watercooling loop consisting of a 120.2 Rad with a 750lp/h pump and a dual bay res with an EK Supreme CPU block
- Dell P2210H 1920x1080
- Asus Crosshair IV Formula
Remarkably similar to my system, except that I can't get past 280x15 on my Phenom II X6 1075T, and I'm running 2x GTX 470's.

I don't like the case (personally) and the display is too small for my preferences, but I'll give you 9/10.

Just one thing, why 12 fans on the case?

[dunny774]

I run a bus of 315 with a multiplier of 13.5
And 12 case fans because I could, and it's silent, except for the PSU, very good air flow.
And also I used to run eyefinity of 5760x1080.. But I sold that a while ago.

Although, I'm interested what 10/10 is for you, given that you can't physically buy a rig like mine, you'd need to overclock at least to get the same performance.

[neurokirurgi]

I run a bus of 315 with a multiplier of 13.5
And 12 case fans because I could, and it's silent, except for the PSU, very good air flow.
And also I used to run eyefinity of 5760x1080.. But I sold that a while ago.

Although, I'm interested what 10/10 is for you, given that you can't physically buy a rig like mine, you'd need to overclock at least to get the same performance.
10/10 would include better case, Intel 6-core, larger screen(s), a minimum of 8GB RAM, 3x GTX 480's, and a few PCI-E SSD's, but then again, the price/performance ratio wouldn't be as good.

[dunny774]

10/10 would include better case, Intel 6-core, larger screen(s), a minimum of 8GB RAM, 3x GTX 480's, and a few PCI-E SSD's, but then again, the price/performance ratio wouldn't be as good.

For an A in a subject, you don't need 100%
That's my opinion, to me, your PC would be 10/10. There's nothing a GTX470 SLI can't handle.

[steelbom]

- Amd Phenom II 1055T overclocked to 4.25GHZ, running a CPU NB of 3.15GHZ, it's passed 8 hours of Prime stable. It's running a HTL of 2205MHZ
- 4GB DDR3 G.Skill 7-7-7-21-27-1T 1680MHZ
- 2 X Intel V 40GB X25's in RAID 0 running Windows 7 Premium
- XFX 5970 @ Stock clocks
- 1 x 1TB F1 HDD and 1 x 250GB Seagate HDD
- 1000W OCZ ProXStream PSU
- Coolermaster HAF 932 with around 12 fans
- Custom watercooling loop consisting of a 120.2 Rad with a 750lp/h pump and a dual bay res with an EK Supreme CPU block
- Dell P2210H 1920x1080
- Asus Crosshair IV Formula
The CPU (stock speed) is 8/10, the RAM 8/10, SSD 10/10, GPU 9/10 and then you've got a nice watercooled system, so overall I think a 9/10. I think a 10/10 would be an i7 980x (or equivalent AMD CPU), 12GB 2000MHz RAM, dual 5970 / tri GTX 480, good SSD setup (like yours) etc, and that's what I'm comparing it against (in a way).

Your GPU makes my 4850M cry haha lol :D

For an A in a subject, you don't need 100%
That's my opinion, to me, your PC would be 10/10. There's nothing a GTX470 SLI can't handle.
You might need something like >97% for an A+ though. A GTX 470 SLI might be fine at 1080p or 1200p but maybe not so on a 1440p or 1600p display (27", 30").

[MikeBlaszczak]

what if you already have a truck, but it's the fastest model and you want it to go faster?
(but you are completely right - in general people like to get more than their money's worth)Then you have to revisit why you bought a truck. Trucks are about carrying things, or getting over difficult terrain, or both. If you wanted to go fast, you should've bought a sports car.

i'm guessing the large majority of failures are the overclocked machines, but I also think stock machines can have failures.Of course they do, but the occurrence is substantially less frequent than in machines that are overclocked.


I have never reported a crash/failure to Microsoft so don't worry you'll/they'll never have to deal with me :) I don't work at Microsoft anymore. Your crash reports come to me at Valve.

correct me if i'm wrong but I think you are more against the people who overclock, and think they know what they are doing and also think there are no problems caused by overclocking rather then overclocking as a whole.
(Then when they have a problem, get defensive because they think someone is attacking their knowledge as well as causing other people problems in the process - extra work etc.) Well, you're kind of splitting hairs. I'm certainly against the practice; it seems like nonsense to me. I can't imagine spending hours of my time tinkering just to get a 10% improvement, when, depending on equipment, I can get a better than 10% improvement by investing a few hundred dollars in better parts. If a person overclocks, I don't really care, in general. If a person overclocks then demands my support or help, I know I'm wasting my time.


I mean if say the same processor could run 200MHz faster and it could be proven that it never makes mistakes or has failures wouldn't you rather have the faster choice which could save you precious time if unavoidable downsides didn't matter to you? (extra heat [well could be nice in winter...], extra energy usage etc.)200 MHz faster on a "typical" 2.4 GHz processor is only 8.3% faster, by clock rate. The machine is still just as slow as it was before the overclock for I/O and for GPU work. Depending on the memory timings, the memory might not be 8% faster -- or it might be 8% faster and have more latency.

In this scenario, we've increased our risk, only very slightly increased our performance, and spent some time setting up and testing the changes. Really? That's a win, somehow?

Here's a great example:

- Amd Phenom II 1055T overclocked to 4.25GHZ, running a CPU NB of 3.15GHZ, it's passed 8 hours of Prime stable. It's running a HTL of 2205MHZ
- 4GB DDR3 G.Skill 7-7-7-21-27-1T 1680MHZ
- 2 X Intel V 40GB X25's in RAID 0 running Windows 7 Premium
- XFX 5970 @ Stock clocks
- 1 x 1TB F1 HDD and 1 x 250GB Seagate HDD
- 1000W OCZ ProXStream PSU
- Coolermaster HAF 932 with around 12 fans
- Custom watercooling loop consisting of a 120.2 Rad with a 750lp/h pump and a dual bay res with an EK Supreme CPU block
- Dell P2210H 1920x1080
- Asus Crosshair IV Formula

What's the water cooling loop cost? $300? Plus the time to set it up -- four hours or so?

The 1055T is 2.8 GHz stock, if I have it right. So it's a decent overclock, but it required extra hardware and fancy memory to get the job done. The guy bought an over-sized power supply as vigorish on the overclocking bet.

12 fans? Seriously? Why 12 fans and the water cooling setup?

How much would he have saved buying a 1090T ($289 - $199 = $90) compared to all that silly hardware? Enough to buy a better drive, at least; or larger SSDs.

[neurokirurgi]

The 1055T is 2.8 GHz stock, if I have it right. So it's a decent overclock, but it required extra hardware and fancy memory to get the job done.
Fancy memory? 1600mHz is not fancy in any way.


The guy bought an over-sized power supply as vigorish on the overclocking bet.
Since when have you been a psychic? Maybe he got it for cheap? Maybe he wants to future proof his system?


How much would he have saved buying a 1090T ($289 - $199 = $90) compared to all that silly hardware? Enough to buy a better drive, at least; or larger SSDs.
Why should he buy the 1090T and pay 90 dollars extra when he can overclock his 1055T to 4.25gHz, which is plenty for anything. 1090T has an unlocked multiplier and a tad higher clock speed, and that's not worth 90 dollars, unless you are pushing for extreme clocks.

[Bugs Bunny]

In this scenario, we've increased our risk, only very slightly increased our performance, and spent some time setting up and testing the changes. Really? That's a win, somehow?




I can see that would absolutely not be a win for the majority of people.
I guess it would help if those who care about that performance, knew how much they've increased their risks by* - is there a better way to measure that over just say throwing every test you can find at your processor?

*and to also realize they chose to take those risks and should not be passing on their problems to others

I don't work at Microsoft anymore. Your crash reports come to me at Valve.
I did not know this, does steam automatically submit crash reports? is there a way to turn this off?

[dunny774]

Luls.
Required extra hardware? How exactly.
I've always went for the latest and greatest from AMD, to an extent. Getting a 1090T would have cost MORE money, not saved..

The 1000W PSU is back from when the 4870x2 was the top dog, I got it on offer as it was the last of its kind sold.

The watercooling? I like my components to run cool, it's got nothing to do with the overclock, I'd have ran watercooling even if I wasn't overclocked.

Fancy RAM? No, it's 2000MHZ CL9 2T Ripjaws, I've just altered the timings and frequency, I've had them around a year too.

I've NEVER seen an AMD CPU clocked higher than my 1055T overclocked and succesfully handling 8 hours of Prime 95. My 1055T is pretty much "cherry picked."

12 fans? Again, I like my components to run cool, I've got a HAF 932.

1 is for the HDD's at the front as cold air's drawn in.
4 are intakes on the side, this gets fed into the 120.2 RAD as I've 4 fans on there, 2 are intake from the intake, 2 exhaust.

I've then got 1 rear fan, I've also got a botton intake, my case is risen a few centimetres off the ground in order to intake air.

I've also got a 12cm fan ontop of the DVD drive which draws in cool air for the 120.2

Also, your overclocking talk is nonesense. My CPU's well over 50% faster than a stock 1055T. How on Earth is that pointless?

Plus in the point, when I overclock my Graphics card I'd need the extra CPU power to feed the two GPU's.

[MikeBlaszczak]

Fancy memory? 1600mHz is not fancy in any way.Price it out.

Since when have you been a psychic?Since 1998. I do renaissance faires and SCA events and stuff. It's lots of fun, but I feel a little guilty about it sometimes. I figure it's a more honest living than other people, like, say, Oprah, so it never really gets me down.

I guess it would help if those who care about that performance, knew how much they've increased their risks by* - is there a better way to measure that over just say throwing every test you can find at your processor?

That's the rub. The risk is unknown. To mitigate the risk, you first need to measure it. The time you spend measuring goes into the "costs" column, along with all the other stuff. It's really no time at all before the costs outweigh the advantages.

Required extra hardware? How exactly.12 fans, water cooling, jumbo power supply.

[dunny774]

12 fans, water cooling, jumbo power supply.

They weren't needed I opted for it, I prefer the lower temperatures. The fans are 44CFM at 1200-1300 RPM, they're essentially silent.
You've got a biased view point.
If I'd bought the 1090T, it'd still be around 40% slower than my overclocked 1055T.

Your arguement is therefore flawed.

Back when I bought my RAM, RAM was overpriced massively, I paid 90 quid for my 4GB 2000MHZ CL9 Ripjaws.

[MikeBlaszczak]

You've got a biased view point.We all do. They're called "opinions".

Your arguement is therefore flawed.I have no argument. I rate your machine 3/10 because you've overclocked it. I've explained why. If you don't like it, you're the one that's got the argument. As the owner of the machine, your opinion is biased, too. Don't let that stop you from overclocking, though!

[dunny774]

We all do. They're called "opinions".

I have no argument. I rate your machine 3/10 because you've overclocked it. I've explained why. If you don't like it, you're the one that's got the argument. As the owner of the machine, your opinion is biased, too. Don't let that stop you from overclocking, though!

If my machine wasn't overclocked it'd be slower.
If I wasted money on a 1090T it'd still be slower...

[GoDMiN]

The fans are 44CFM at 1200-1300 RPM, they're essentially silent.



Damn, I'd have gotten Silenx fans, they're much better imo.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835226009&cm_re=slinx_fans-_-35-226-009-_-Product

I use to use these with one of my older builds



Anyway I like how this thread turned into a bunch of flailing nonsense because Mike and I don't like OCing, and I don't like 1366 i7s that cost $1000 that get 5ish FPS better performance in games. Really people, Mike use to work for Microsoft, and now he works for Valve as a person whos fixing your problems. I'd be willing to put money down that the guy who has worked around these problems for a number of years knows a lot more about the subject than "Chip".

[PersonalJihad]

Then you have to revisit why you bought a truck. Trucks are about carrying things, or getting over difficult terrain, or both. If you wanted to go fast, you should've bought a sports car.

Of course they do, but the occurrence is substantially less frequent than in machines that are overclocked.


I don't work at Microsoft anymore. Your crash reports come to me at Valve.

Well, you're kind of splitting hairs. I'm certainly against the practice; it seems like nonsense to me. I can't imagine spending hours of my time tinkering just to get a 10% improvement, when, depending on equipment, I can get a better than 10% improvement by investing a few hundred dollars in better parts. If a person overclocks, I don't really care, in general. If a person overclocks then demands my support or help, I know I'm wasting my time.

200 MHz faster on a "typical" 2.4 GHz processor is only 8.3% faster, by clock rate. The machine is still just as slow as it was before the overclock for I/O and for GPU work. Depending on the memory timings, the memory might not be 8% faster -- or it might be 8% faster and have more latency.

In this scenario, we've increased our risk, only very slightly increased our performance, and spent some time setting up and testing the changes. Really? That's a win, somehow?

Here's a great example:



What's the water cooling loop cost? $300? Plus the time to set it up -- four hours or so?

The 1055T is 2.8 GHz stock, if I have it right. So it's a decent overclock, but it required extra hardware and fancy memory to get the job done. The guy bought an over-sized power supply as vigorish on the overclocking bet.

12 fans? Seriously? Why 12 fans and the water cooling setup?

How much would he have saved buying a 1090T ($289 - $199 = $90) compared to all that silly hardware? Enough to buy a better drive, at least; or larger SSDs.

Mike, as you've pointed out overclocking does reach diminishing returns when you start shelling out serious money on aftermarket cooling solutions. But in my case purchasing a $28 Coolermaster Hyper 212 plus to OC an i5 750 from 2.66ghz to 3.41ghz (162 x 21 multiplier) seems to be a great value. However there are now some affordable watercooling solutions available such as the Coolermaster H50 which sells for around $80.

You do need RAM rated for higher speeds but the cost difference is generally minimal.
Here is a very affordable 2 x 2gb pack at newegg for RAM rated for 2000MHZ
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227569
It is only $93 after a mail in rebate.

[rotNdude]

I would sure hate to lock this old thread because it has now gone from rating computers to a general back and forth regarding how and why ratings are being given. :(

Each of us have our own opinions and the thread should live for the sake of making others feel good about what they have for a computer. This is just a warning for all of us to get this back on topic, please.

[Unclejunebug]

I would sure hate to lock this old thread because it has now gone from rating computers to a general back and forth regarding how and why ratings are being given. :(

Each of us have our own opinions and the thread should live for the sake of making others feel good about what they have for a computer. This is just a warning for all of us to get this back on topic, please.

An excellent idea! Why not start with this one...

Intel Q6600 2.4GHz (OC'd to 3 GHz. Getting a little long in the tooth)
Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3L mobo
4GB DDR2 800 Corsair XMS2
PNY GTX465
WD Caviar Blue 320 GB (OS and Programs)
Seagate Barracuda 500GB (File storage)
OCZ 600w ModXtreme PSU
Antec 900
Zalman 9500 HSF
Lite-on DVD burner
Windows 7 Pro 64bit
ASUS VH242H Black 23.6" LCD monitor

[rotNdude]

An excellent idea! Why not start with this one...

Intel Q6600 2.4GHz (OC'd to 3 GHz. Getting a little long in the tooth)
Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3L mobo
4GB DDR2 800 Corsair XMS2
PNY GTX465
WD Caviar Blue 320 GB (OS and Programs)
Seagate Barracuda 500GB (File storage)
OCZ 600w ModXtreme PSU
Antec 900
Zalman 9500 HSF
Lite-on DVD burner
Windows 7 Pro 64bit
ASUS VH242H Black 23.6" LCD monitor

I'll give it an 8.6/10. Still a solid CPU, nice amount of RAM, good PSU, adequate storage, nice GPU and pretty good monitor.

[neurokirurgi]

An excellent idea! Why not start with this one...

Intel Q6600 2.4GHz (OC'd to 3 GHz. Getting a little long in the tooth)
Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3L mobo
4GB DDR2 800 Corsair XMS2
PNY GTX465
WD Caviar Blue 320 GB (OS and Programs)
Seagate Barracuda 500GB (File storage)
OCZ 600w ModXtreme PSU
Antec 900
Zalman 9500 HSF
Lite-on DVD burner
Windows 7 Pro 64bit
ASUS VH242H Black 23.6" LCD monitor
7.5/10, good build, the monitor looks awesome when i checked some pics. But the GTX 465 is a failed card unless you manage to unlock it to a GTX 470.

[noggsy]

Mines core 2 quad 9300@3.45ghz
asus p5q pro mobo
4gb ocz reaper 1066 at 1100mhz
ati 4870x2 2gb ddr5
xfi extreame gamer
WD black edition sata 2 hdd 640gb
WD blue 320gb
antec 900
moniter LG flatron w2261vp full hd
pc power and cooling 910wat
win 7 ultimate x64
pioneer dvdrw

[borg_7_of_9]

Mines core 2 quad 9300@3.45ghz
asus p5q pro mobo
4gb ocz reaper 1066 at 1100mhz
ati 4870x2 2gb ddr5
xfi extreame gamer
WD black edition sata 2 hdd 640gb
WD blue 320gb
antec 900
moniter LG flatron w2261vp full hd
pc power and cooling 910wat
win 7 ultimate x64
pioneer dvdrw

8.5/10 nice rig IMO

[AwayToHit]

Well there is my new rig that i got 2 weeks ago:

Intel Core i7 950 3.06 GHZ OC to 4.2 GHZ
Noctua NH-D14 heatsink
ASUS Rampage III Extreme Motherboard (great for OC)
6GB (3x2GB) Corsair DDR3 1600 MHZ
2 MSI GeForce GTX 460 Fermi Hawk OC out of the box at 780MHZ in SLI (will OC them further with MSI afterburner)
Coolermaster Haf X EATX Full Tower Case (best case i ever had)
Coolermaster Silent Pro 1000W Modular Power Supply
OCZ Vertex 2 Extended Sandforce 120GB SSD (120GB is enough for all my OS/apps/games stuff and i have 3 external HDD for music, movies, pictures,etc.)
LG Super Multi Lightscribe SATA DVD Writer
Samsung SyncMaster B2430 24" 1080p LCD monitor

I didnt run any benchmark like 3DMark06 yet but i get 7.9 in everything except ram where i get 7,7 with the windows 7 x64 benchmark tool (not the most accurate but oh well)

[MikeBlaszczak]

Mike, as you've pointed out overclocking does reach diminishing returns when you start shelling out serious money on aftermarket cooling solutions.[...]
It is only $93 after a mail in rebate.You've pointed out how much some of the parts cost, but you haven't disclosed how much the installation, tuning, maintenance, and prolonged diagnosis of those same parts might cost.

I would sure hate to lock this old thread because it has now gone from rating computers to a general back and forth regarding how and why ratings are being given. :(I don't think it's realistic to expect people to receive ratings and not question them. We've had discussions of the rationale of ratings before. Is your point that we should start new threads for questioned ratings?

Each of us have our own opinions and the thread should live for the sake of making others feel good about what they have for a computer. This is just a warning for all of us to get this back on topic, please.Is "on-topic" only positive feel-good ratings? You've deleted posts for their being off-topic, and you've warned about being off topic before. But I can't find a post which says what is acceptably on-topic.

[dunny774]

Mike, elaborate, what would be the point in me spending more money on a 1090T which would be 1GHZ slower per core than my overclocked 1055T?

[MikeBlaszczak]

Mike, elaborate, what would be the point in me spending more money on a 1090T which would be 1GHZ slower per core than my overclocked 1055T?According to AMD the 1090 would be fasterthan the 1055. Either way, clock speed isn't measured per core.

[dunny774]

According to AMD the 1090 would be fasterthan the 1055. Either way, clock speed isn't measured per core.

The only difference from a 1055T to a 1090T at stock is there multiplier and that the 1090T has an unlocked multiplier, they've both a base clock (HT reference clock) of 200.


You've still missed the point.
How on Earth is a 1090T with a core clock of 3.2GHZ and a CPU NB of 2GHZ anywhere near as fast as my 1055T running a core clock of 4.25GHZ and a CPU NB of 3.15GHZ.

It's not.

[MikeBlaszczak]

You've still missed the point.
How on Earth is a 1090T with a core clock of 3.2GHZ and a CPU NB of 2GHZ anywhere near as fast as my 1055T running a core clock of 4.25GHZ and a CPU NB of 3.15GHZ.

It's not.If and only if your machine is running reliably. You don't know that it will run reliably at that speed before you buy it; it's not easy to know if it is running reliably after you've set it up. Are you asking me to increase my rating of your machine? I don't see any reason to.

[dunny774]

If and only if your machine is running reliably. You don't know that it will run reliably at that speed before you buy it; it's not easy to know if it is running reliably after you've set it up. Are you asking me to increase my rating of your machine? I don't see any reason to.

Stable overclocking is simple.. Doesn't take a genius to work it out.
And I never asked you to increase my score, as whatever you give my PC doesn't stop it smashing every game out.

[hellboy_1991]

Here's mine guys:


CPU: AMD Phenom II x6 1055T @ 4Ghz 1.42v
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 /w P12 | P14 | P12
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-MA790FXT-UD5P
RAM: 4GB-Kit G-Skill RipJaws 1600Mhz CL9 @ 6-6-6-15-1T
HDD: SSD Intel X25-M G2 Postville 80gb + WD Caviar Black 750gb
GPU: Sapphire HD5970 OC 2gb GDDR5 + Accelero Xtreme 5970
PSU: XFX 750w Black Edition
Sound Card: Auzentech Auzen X-Fi Bravura 7.1
Case: Cooler Master HAF 932



You can see the whole Build Log I did @ Overclock.net:

http://www.overclock.net/amd-build-logs/845484-amd-build-megan-fox-improvements-during.html

Do you like it?

[dunny774]

Can it pass 8 hours of Blend?
I doubt the RAM is stable.

[hellboy_1991]

Can it pass 8 hours of Blend?
I doubt the RAM is stable.

Well you're wrong.

Yes, it passed 12 hours of prime 95 on BLEND ;) The RAM is stable, so is the CPU :)

[dunny774]

Well you're wrong.

Yes, it passed 12 hours of prime 95 on BLEND ;) The RAM is stable, so is the CPU :)

Very impressive.
I was more interested in the RAM than the CPU. 4GHZ on a 1055T is easy.

But 9/10. No SSD's lol.

[hellboy_1991]

Here's mine guys:


CPU: AMD Phenom II x6 1055T @ 4Ghz 1.42v
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 /w P12 | P14 | P12
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-MA790FXT-UD5P
RAM: 4GB-Kit G-Skill RipJaws 1600Mhz CL9 @ 6-6-6-15-1T
HDD: SSD Intel X25-M G2 Postville 80gb + WD Caviar Black 750gb
GPU: Sapphire HD5970 OC 2gb GDDR5 + Accelero Xtreme 5970
PSU: XFX 750w Black Edition
Sound Card: Auzentech Auzen X-Fi Bravura 7.1
Case: Cooler Master HAF 932



You can see the whole Build Log I did @ Overclock.net:

http://www.overclock.net/amd-build-logs/845484-amd-build-megan-fox-improvements-during.html

Do you like it?

Very impressive.
I was more interested in the RAM than the CPU. 4GHZ on a 1055T is easy.

But 9/10. No SSD's lol.

What you mean no SSD? Check above, I have an Intel X25-M G2 Postville 80gb ;)

[dunny774]

What you mean no SSD? Check above, I have an Intel X25-M G2 Postville 80gb ;)

Fail on my behalf, 10/10 ;)

[hellboy_1991]

Fail on my behalf, 10/10 ;)

WoW 10, nice, thanks :D

I'm hoping I won't need to upgrade anything in at least 1 year to play anything on highest setting :)

[rotNdude]

I don't think it's realistic to expect people to receive ratings and not question them. We've had discussions of the rationale of ratings before. Is your point that we should start new threads for questioned ratings?

Questioning a rating in this thread is one thing and is acceptable. Going into long dissertations about the pros/cons of aspects of why a rater feels strongly about a certain aspect of things may be better. For example, you evidently feel that overclocking isn't a good thing. With your experience and knowledge on the subject, it may be better to have a thread that you create dedicated to debating the topic of overclocking. When the topic comes up again as to why you rate things the way you do, we can reference that thread regarding your thoughts. Besides, we can always use more stickies.

For example, I have this link bookmarked:

http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1035670

Is "on-topic" only positive feel-good ratings? You've deleted posts for their being off-topic, and you've warned about being off topic before. But I can't find a post which says what is acceptably on-topic.

Well, I should have stated good or bad ratings. Sorry. It is opinion-based. I just try to moderate this forum section and this thread is one of many that I try to keep on track. I'll edit the first post to make it more apparent if you feel that would help. Thanks for participating in this thread.

[pnoozi]

Intel Core i5 760 (Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus)
G.Skill Ripjaws 4GB (2x2GB) 7-7-7-21
EVGA GTX 460 1GB 2xSLI
Samsung Spinpoint F3 500GB

[hellboy_1991]

Intel Core i5 760 (Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus)
G.Skill Ripjaws 4GB (2x2GB) 7-7-7-21
EVGA GTX 460 1GB 2xSLI
Samsung Spinpoint F3 500GB

8.5/10

An SSD would be great for your Pc :)

[GoDMiN]

Intel Core i5 760 (Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus)
G.Skill Ripjaws 4GB (2x2GB) 7-7-7-21
EVGA GTX 460 1GB 2xSLI
Samsung Spinpoint F3 500GB

whats your case and PSU?

[pnoozi]

whats your case and PSU?

Antec Three Hundred
Corsair HX 750W

[hellboy_1991]

Antec Three Hundred
Corsair HX 750W

Such a nice rig, with a great Power Supply too, but a mediocre case :(

I give you a 8.5/10 for that :p

You should get a nice case like a Antec Twelve Hundred or HAF 932 :)

[lo3.explicit]

I had this rig posted months ago. Would like to see how it still ranks. I am still a ways away from getting an SSD. maybe in a year from now when i build a new rig.

CPU: Core i7-920 @ 3.8Ghz (19*200)
HSF: Swiftech H20-220 - Apogee GTZ Waterblock
MB: Asus P6T x58
RAM: 6GB (2GBx3) OCZ DDR3 1600 (6-8-8-24 @ 1600mhz 1.5v)
VID: ATI Sapphire HD5850 (stock)
HD: 500GB Western Digital Black(OS and games)
HD2: 250GB Western Digital Black(storage)
OS: Windows 7 Professional 64bit
PSU: Corsair HX650 modular

Weird thing is I tried just for fun to up the multi to 20x. I am not changing anything other than the cpu speed. fsb, ram, ect are the same. 3.8ghz runs 1.22v all day but it will not do 4.0 at even 1.35v. Ill play with it some more. I have had it prime95 stable at 4.0 before. Just gotta find the magic #.

[AwayToHit]

Well there is my new rig that i got 2 weeks ago:

Intel Core i7 950 3.06 GHZ OC to 4.2 GHZ
Noctua NH-D14 heatsink
ASUS Rampage III Extreme Motherboard (great for OC)
6GB (3x2GB) Corsair DDR3 1600 MHZ
2 MSI GeForce GTX 460 Fermi Hawk OC out of the box at 780MHZ in SLI (will OC them further with MSI afterburner)
Coolermaster Haf X EATX Full Tower Case (best case i ever had)
Coolermaster Silent Pro 1000W Modular Power Supply
OCZ Vertex 2 Extended Sandforce 120GB SSD (120GB is enough for all my OS/apps/games stuff and i have 3 external HDD for music, movies, pictures,etc.)
LG Super Multi Lightscribe SATA DVD Writer
Samsung SyncMaster B2430 24" 1080p LCD monitor

I didnt run any benchmark like 3DMark06 yet but i get 7.9 in everything except ram where i get 7,7 with the windows 7 x64 benchmark tool (not the most accurate but oh well)

lol people didnt see my post i guest...nobody rated it :(

[rotNdude]

I had this rig posted months ago. Would like to see how it still ranks. I am still a ways away from getting an SSD. maybe in a year from now when i build a new rig.

CPU: Core i7-920 @ 3.8Ghz (19*200)
HSF: Swiftech H20-220 - Apogee GTZ Waterblock
MB: Asus P6T x58
RAM: 6GB (2GBx3) OCZ DDR3 1600 (6-8-8-24 @ 1600mhz 1.5v)
VID: ATI Sapphire HD5850 (stock)
HD: 500GB Western Digital Black(OS and games)
HD2: 250GB Western Digital Black(storage)
OS: Windows 7 Professional 64bit
PSU: Corsair HX650 modular

Weird thing is I tried just for fun to up the multi to 20x. I am not changing anything other than the cpu speed. fsb, ram, ect are the same. 3.8ghz runs 1.22v all day but it will not do 4.0 at even 1.35v. Ill play with it some more. I have had it prime95 stable at 4.0 before. Just gotta find the magic #.

9.1/10

Overclocking doesn't add or subtract when I rate them. The video card is kinda meh.

lol people didnt see my post i guest...nobody rated it :(

9.3/10. The video cards are nice.

[LATTEH]

i wonder what you guys will rate it lol

CPU: athlon x2 5000+ over clocked to 3.1GHs
HSF: stock
MB: asus M3A78-cm
RAM: 3GB
VID: ATI radeon 3850 512MB
HD: western digital 320 (os)
HD2: western digital 500 (games)
HD3: an old IDE 120 (linux)
OS: Windows 7 Professional 64bit
PSU: BFG 550 Watt


not much but it gets the job done.

[lo3.explicit]

i wonder what you guys will rate it lol

CPU: athlon x2 5000+ over clocked to 3.1GHs
HSF: stock
MB: asus M3A78-cm
RAM: 3GB
VID: ATI radeon 3850 512MB
HD: western digital 320 (os)
HD2: western digital 500 (games)
HD3: an old IDE 120 (linux)
OS: Windows 7 Professional 64bit
PSU: BFG 550 Watt


not much but it gets the job done.

6/10

could be a lot better, but could also be worse.

[AwayToHit]

9.3/10. The video cards are nice.

Thanks dude :) Yeah i love them. They perform better than a single gtx 480 for the same price!

[ricardo.marques]

CPU - Core i7 860 (@2.8 Ghz)
MB - Asus P7P55D-E PRO
RAM - 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 1600mhz OCZ Reaper
GPU - ECS Black GTX 460 1GB
HD - WD 500GB (OS and apps)
HD 2 - WD 750GB (Data and video editions)
PSU - Corsair 650w TX
CASE - Cooler Master CM-690

Am I missing something?

Anyway, just to be clear... I bought this system here in Brazil and spent like R$3000. I bet that more than half of this price, was taxes.

[lo3.explicit]

CPU - Core i7 860 (@2.8 Ghz)
MB - Asus P7P55D-E PRO
RAM - 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 1600mhz OCZ Reaper
GPU - ECS Black GTX 460 1GB
HD - WD 500GB (OS and apps)
HD 2 - WD 750GB (Data and video editions)
PSU - Corsair 650w TX
CASE - Cooler Master CM-690

Am I missing something?

Anyway, just to be clear... I bought this system here in Brazil and spent like R$3000. I bet that more than half of this price, was taxes.

8.8/10
nice computer. need 1 more gtx460 and sli that thing.

[GeneSIS^]

cpu: intel i7 860
ram: 8gb
gpu: 5870 1gb
hd: 1.5tb
os: win7 64mb
case: FractalDesing Define R3

[lo3.explicit]

cpu: intel i7 860
ram: 8gb
gpu: 5870 1gb
hd: 1.5tb
os: win7 64mb
case: FractalDesing Define R3

9.1/10
little more ram, little better gpu than above.

[EyeRoNiK]

My first computer ive had that wasnt a prebuilt :P

PSU: OCZ 700w
CPU: i5 760 @ 3.40ghz
RAM: OCZ 4.0GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 668MHz (9-9-9-24)
GPU: ATI Radeon HD 5830
HDD: 625GB Western Digital Caviar Black
Motherboard: ASUS P7P55D-E LX (LGA1156)
Case: Coolermaster HAF 922
OS: windows 7 64-bit

[The3rdPoliceman]

Recently got my new PC:

CPU: I7 950 + Zalman CNPS 9900A LED
MB: Asus Rampage III Formula
GPU: GTX 470 SLI
RAM: OCZ DDR3 6GB Triple Channel 1600MHZ CL7
HDD1: Seagate Momentus XT 500GB
HDD2: Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB
Case: Coolermaster HAF-X
PSU: Corsair HX850

[GoDMiN]

Intel Core i5 760 (Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus)
G.Skill Ripjaws 4GB (2x2GB) 7-7-7-21
EVGA GTX 460 1GB 2xSLI
Samsung Spinpoint F3 500GB
Antec Three Hundred
Corsair HX 750W



CPU +20, very good gaming CPU imo
Ram +10, perfect amount of ram
GPU +20, very good GPU setup, this is one of the two SLi/CFX setups I think is worth the money
HDD +5, could be better but good enough. I'm only using like 300gb of my total 2TB myself :3
Case +5, good case could be better
PSU +20, Good PSU

Total 80: I think this is the only PC I've not had to take points away from, good balance, no bottle necks and you didn't waste money on things like $1000 CPUs and extra ram

Suggestions: I think a SSD would be a welcome addition to this setup, would really "set it off" if you know what I mean. Personally I think a new case would also be a welcome addition. Maybe a StormScout or a Antect 900 II. Other than that I think this system is perfect

[dunny774]

9.1/10

Overclocking doesn't add or subtract when I rate them. The video card is kinda meh.
.


How is a 5850 meh exactly lol?

[GoDMiN]

How is a 5850 meh exactly lol?

Have to ask that myself seeing how you could count the number of cards that are better than the 5850 on one hand. The 5970, 5870, 4870x2, GTX295 and the GTX480 (though I wouldn't count three of these seeing how they're dual GPU cards) not to mention it will play anything out atm maxed with little problem.

[5UB]

Nice systems going on here guys. :)

[dunny774]

Have to ask that myself seeing how you could count the number of cards that are better than the 5850 on one hand. The 5970, 5870, 4870x2, GTX295 and the GTX480 (though I wouldn't count three of these seeing how they're dual GPU cards) not to mention it will play anything out atm maxed with little problem.

The 5850 also has good overclocking headroom.

[PersonalJihad]

You've pointed out how much some of the parts cost, but you haven't disclosed how much the installation, tuning, maintenance, and prolonged diagnosis of those same parts might cost.
I'd consider this a hobby, I spent about an hour yesterday installing the Coolermaster Hyper 212 Plus. I am not sure how you could put a price on knowledge that I have already accumulated from spending time on enthusiast websites for years. It's similar to an auto enthusiast but generally much cheaper. If we were to assign a price value to knowledge I have accumulated over decades then it would make a pre-made PC from a vendor such as Dell appear to be a better value simply because it does not require any technical know how. We could assign a value of $90/hr for the technical knowledge required but as this is a hobby I would set the opportunity cost at $0/hr.

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/1689/750oc.png

[rotNdude]

How is a 5850 meh exactly lol?

Have to ask that myself seeing how you could count the number of cards that are better than the 5850 on one hand. The 5970, 5870, 4870x2, GTX295 and the GTX480 (though I wouldn't count three of these seeing how they're dual GPU cards) not to mention it will play anything out atm maxed with little problem.

Well, I look at the present generation of GPUs and here's what's out there:

AMD - HD 5970, 5870x2, 5870, 5850, 5830, 5770, 5750, 5670, 5570, 5550, and 5450
nVidia - GTX 480, GTX 470, GTX 460, GTX 465 and GTS 450.

Where does the 5850 fit into these couple of handfuls? It was introduced and meant to compete in the price/performance category with a GTX 285.

[dunny774]

Well, I look at the present generation of GPUs and here's what's out there:

AMD - HD 5970, 5870x2, 5870, 5850, 5830, 5770, 5750, 5670, 5570, 5550, and 5450
nVidia - GTX 480, GTX 470, GTX 460, GTX 465 and GTS 450.

Where does the 5850 fit into these couple of handfuls? It was introduced and meant to compete in the price/performance category with a GTX 285.

There's no such thing as a 5870x2, that is the 5970.

It goes : 5970/GTX480/5870/470/5850.

[GoDMiN]

There's no such thing as a 5870x2, that is the 5970.

It goes : 5970/GTX480/5870/470/5850.

actually I believe the 5970 is just dual 5850s

[rotNdude]

There's no such thing as a 5870x2, that is the 5970.

Haha!

ASUS ARES/2DIS/4GD5 Radeon HD 5870 X2 4GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121388)

It goes : 5970/GTX480/5870/470/5850.

I think it goes, 5970/GTX480/5870/GTX470/GTX460/GTX465/5850.

[neurokirurgi]

I think it goes, 5970/GTX480/5870/GTX470/GTX460/GTX465/5850.
Nope, the 5850 is a bit faster than the GTX 460 and 465.

[gig1973]

Gateway fx 6840
O.S. windows 7 64 bit home edition
Processor intel core i7 860
Graphics ATI Radeon HD 5770 1024 mb
1.5 tb hard drive
RAM 12gb ddr3

[dunny774]

Rot, don't be a tool.
The Ares is a 5970, it's a marketing name Limited Edition.
You wouldn't classify the Asus Mars GTX295 as a separate series.

HA, back at you.


actually I believe the 5970 is just dual 5850s


Wrong.
Two 5870 GPU cores running 5850 clocks.



Haha!
I think it goes, 5970/GTX480/5870/GTX470/GTX460/GTX465/5850.


Nope. You've MASSIVELY underated the 5850. It trades blows with the GTX470.

Overclocking it'll beat out a GTX480.

I've owned a 5850, I've owned 3 5870's, I've owned 3 5770's, I've currently got a 5970, and I wrote a review on 5870 Crossfire ;)

[lucid enigma]

With the HD6xxxx looming I thought I'd get mine in now while I might get a better rating! :)

CPU - AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition
MB - GigaByte GA-MA790XT-UD4P
RAM - 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 1333mhz Corsair XMS3
GPU - ATI HD5970
HD - 2x500GB Samsung SpinPoint F3
PSU - NorthQ 850w
CASE - Cooler Master Elite 330
For me, sound matters so:
SND - Creative X-Fi Titanium Fatal1ty Championship Edition Through Creative Gigagworks S750 speakers

Oh, and yes, the 5970 is essentially 2x5870s CrossFire'd

[neurokirurgi]

With the HD6xxxx looming I thought I'd get mine in now while I might get a better rating! :)

CPU - AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition
MB - GigaByte GA-MA790XT-UD4P
RAM - 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 1333mhz Corsair XMS3
GPU - ATI HD5970
HD - 2x500GB Samsung SpinPoint F3
PSU - NorthQ 850w
CASE - Cooler Master Elite 330
For me, sound matters so:
SND - Creative X-Fi Titanium Fatal1ty Championship Edition Through Creative Gigagworks S750 speakers

Oh, and yes, the 5970 is essentially 2x5870s CrossFire'd
30 dollar case?

[dunny774]

The CM330 is a respectable case, it can fit a 5870 etc.
And the 5970 is two 5870 GPU's running 5850 clocks, no essentially about it.
3200 shaders, the 5870 has 1600. 5850 has 1440.

[lucid enigma]

30 dollar case?

Cutting back when it got to case and PSU! ;)
Will update both prior to oc'ing!

[neurokirurgi]

The CM330 is a respectable case, it can fit a 5870 etc.
And the 5970 is two 5870 GPU's running 5850 clocks, no essentially about it.
3200 shaders, the 5870 has 1600. 5850 has 1440.
I built a budget gaming rig to a friend and chose the CM Elite 310, not a bad case at all.

Just a little strange when someone puts hardware worth 1½ grand in a 30 dollar case.

[lucid enigma]

Just a little strange when someone puts hardware worth 1½ grand in a 30 dollar case.

True. Couldn't afford to buy any I really liked and promised myself I'd recase when I start oc'ing! I wasn't about to start cutting back on more important stuff for now so dropped to 1333 RAM, cheaper PSU and a basic case that did the job!

[GoDMiN]

With the HD6xxxx looming I thought I'd get mine in now while I might get a better rating! :)

CPU - AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition
MB - GigaByte GA-MA790XT-UD4P
RAM - 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 1333mhz Corsair XMS3
GPU - ATI HD5970
HD - 2x500GB Samsung SpinPoint F3
PSU - NorthQ 850w
CASE - Cooler Master Elite 330
For me, sound matters so:
SND - Creative X-Fi Titanium Fatal1ty Championship Edition Through Creative Gigagworks S750 speakers

Oh, and yes, the 5970 is essentially 2x5870s CrossFire'd

Cpu +40
Mobo +30
Ram +30
GPU +5
HDD +10
PSU ....... wtf? -50
Case ......wtf again? -50
sound card +20
Speakers annddd the sound card is wasted -100

Total -65: Like it, but come on a cheap case? And even worse speakers with a sound card? And EVEN worse a cheap PSU. I may as well gave it a -9001 because as soon as that PSU blows a capacitor you're going to have a expensive, ugly desk-space-waster that has wasted sound capabilities

Suggestions: Most importantly get a new PSU, theres no reason NOT to get a corsair PSU anymore, they're cheap and good quality, PSU is not something you want to "save money" on, it'll end up biting you in the ♥♥♥ later.

Cases are something I actually think are work spending at least $100 on, good airflow is important, especially with parts like yours.

Last thing don't waste money on a sound card if you're going to use speakers, get a pair of decent headphones, you'll thank me when people accuse you of wall hacking.

Personally I would of just got a 5870 instead of the 5970 and that would make the budget open for the better case, PSU and maybe even headphones.

[lucid enigma]

Cpu +40
Mobo +30
Ram +30
GPU +5
HDD +10
PSU ....... wtf? -50
Case ......wtf again? -50
sound card +20
Speakers annddd the sound card is wasted -100

Total -65

Sorry, I only work with unsigned integers so I assume that rating to be 4294967231 (or even 18446744073709551551 if 64-bit)! ;)
ok to neg on the psu and case but what's the deal with headphones?!? These speakers are mighty meaty and give great spatial awareness through audio only in well programmed games.
Plus, this is my music rig too so headphones won't do for across the house somewhere!

[GoDMiN]

Sorry, I only work with unsigned integers so I assume that rating to be 4294967231 (or even 18446744073709551551 if 64-bit)! ;)
ok to neg on the psu and case but what's the deal with headphones?!? These speakers are mighty meaty and give great spatial awareness through audio only in well programmed games.
Plus, this is my music rig too so headphones won't do for across the house somewhere!

Decent headphones are simply better, the sound and detection is better than any speakers, no matter how much they cost. Also you can have both speakers and headphones by using a audio switch.

[pnoozi]

Such a nice rig, with a great Power Supply too, but a mediocre case :(

I give you a 8.5/10 for that :p

You should get a nice case like a Antec Twelve Hundred or HAF 932 :)

I know, the case is nothing special. I just can't justify spending that much money on a chunk of aluminum...

[MikeBlaszczak]

Just a little strange when someone puts hardware worth 1½ grand in a 30 dollar case.It's not strange. It's frugal. The case is a passive component, and only contributes to the aesthetic of the build. Lots of people spend a ton of money on cases and it does nothing for the machine.

[imeem]

It's not strange. It's frugal. The case is a passive component, and only contributes to the aesthetic of the build. Lots of people spend a ton of money on cases and it does nothing for the machine.

well cheaper case may have less optional fans compared to a more expensive case.

[dunny774]

It's not strange. It's frugal. The case is a passive component, and only contributes to the aesthetic of the build. Lots of people spend a ton of money on cases and it does nothing for the machine.

Yeah, because I'm going to stuff a 5970 in a cramped case with no air flow.

Of course higher end cases serve a purpose, air flow, ease of cable management (Which can affect air flow)
Some cases such as mine can house two PSU's etc.
Watercooling etc.

[neurokirurgi]

It's not strange. It's frugal. The case is a passive component, and only contributes to the aesthetic of the build. Lots of people spend a ton of money on cases and it does nothing for the machine.
Okay, I can finally stop taking you seriously.

[Alkpaz2]

It's not strange. It's frugal. The case is a passive component, and only contributes to the aesthetic of the build. Lots of people spend a ton of money on cases and it does nothing for the machine.

I bet the designers of the X-Box 360 said the same exact thing before releasing it to market.

[lucid enigma]

CPU temp generally tops just over 50 under full load and GPU about 80-85.
I do monitor temps and am happy. As said, I'll include an upgraded case and psu b4 I start oc'ing so if we can ignore the case in particular, do I get a rating on the rest?!? ;)

[GoDMiN]

It's not strange. It's frugal. The case is a passive component, and only contributes to the aesthetic of the build. Lots of people spend a ton of money on cases and it does nothing for the machine.

Now this I'ma have to disagree with you on. That said you don't have to have a $300-$1000 case to have a good one, but my HAF 932 runs much cooler than my Smilodon ever did, or could. Personally I think the Storm Scout is all anyone would ever need, and it only cost $100


I bet the designers of the X-Box 360 said the same exact thing before releasing it to market.
to be fair the reason the Xbox has such a high failure rate is because they didn't put a on the CPU or GPU, its all passive with what looks to be two 80mm fans at the back. The disc drive also sits on top of the GPU, which I'm sure helps.

http://www.xbox360-hacks.com/images/xbox360_inside1.jpg

http://www.xbox360-hacks.com/images/xbox360_inside2.jpg

The PS3 however has a HUGE fan that cools the case and a smaller fan on the CPU

[amit_89]

Alright, here's my first gaming build I finished last month:

ASUS M4A89GTD-Pro/USB3
AMD Phenom II x4 965 BE 3.4GHz
Sapphire Vapor-X 5850
4GB DDR3 1600MHz Mushkin @ 7-8-7-20
Cooler Master GX-650w
1x1TB WD Black, 1x320GB WD Blue
Lancool Dragonlord PC-K62 case
Logitech G500 mouse
ViewSonic 19" widescreen
Generic Microsoft keyboard
Windows 7 64-bit Home Premium

[hellboy_1991]

Alright, here's my first gaming build I finished last month:

ASUS M4A89GTD-Pro/USB3
AMD Phenom II x4 965 BE 3.4GHz
Sapphire Vapor-X 5850
4GB DDR3 1600MHz Mushkin @ 7-8-7-20
Cooler Master GX-650w
1x1TB WD Black, 1x320GB WD Blue
Lancool Dragonlord PC-K62 case
Logitech G500 mouse
ViewSonic 19" widescreen
Generic Microsoft keyboard

For gaming I give it a 8/10.

Good:

- CPU, very nice price/performance quad for gaming, and OC's great to 4Ghz with a nice cooler
- Motherboard, good for OC and great price
- Graphics Card, I had it before, it's a great card and very cool/silent
- G500, great mouse for the price, I also have it.


Bad (Things I would improve):

- LCD, get a 1920x1080 screen to properly use that HD5850 and enjoy games on true 1080 quality :)
- Keyboard, get something better, even with an lcd screen to monitor stuff :)

[amit_89]

Thanks for the feedback, man. I'd love to upgrade my monitor but I'll be leaving for university in the US in a year. I figured I'd save the money now and go full out on a gaming rig once I get there.

[hellboy_1991]

Thanks for the feedback, man. I'd love to upgrade my monitor but I'll be leaving for university in the US in a year. I figured I'd save the money now and go full out on a gaming rig once I get there.

That's a nice choice too, I'm also going to Uni next year.

The only reason I upgraded from my old 19" to 23" 1920x1080 is because it was a gift from my parents :)

[neurokirurgi]

- Keyboard, get something better, even with an lcd screen to monitor stuff :)
You can't be serious.

[hellboy_1991]

You can't be serious.

Well, everyone has different likings :)

I NEED the G15's LCD all the time, I always use it to monitor stuff.

[MikeBlaszczak]

Now this I'ma have to disagree with you on. That said you don't have to have a $300-$1000 case to have a good one, but my HAF 932 runs much cooler than my Smilodon ever did, or could. Personally I think the Storm Scout is all anyone would ever need, and it only cost $100Which components were how much cooler, exactly?

[Krapper]

* AMD Phenom II X4 970
* Gigabyte GA-870A-UD3
* ATI 5850 or AMD 6870 (will be choosing one of these soon)
* 8GB DDR3 PC3-10600 (Crucial Brand)
* 2x 1TB Samsung HD103SJ Spinpoint F3
* Corsair TX 650 W Power Supply
* Xclio / Meridian Technology A380PLUS-36 Black Tower
* Windows 7 Ultimate 64 Bit

Thanks for looking, this is what I plan to build in the next few months. Thoughts most welcome. :)

[hellboy_1991]

* AMD Phenom II X4 970
* Gigabyte GA-870A-UD3
* ATI 5850 or AMD 6870 (will be choosing one of these soon)
* 8GB DDR3 PC3-10600 (Crucial Brand)
* 2x 1TB Samsung HD103SJ Spinpoint F3
* Corsair TX 650 W Power Supply
* Xclio / Meridian Technology A380PLUS-36 Black Tower
* Windows 7 Ultimate 64 Bit

Thanks for looking, this is what I plan to build in the next few months. Thoughts most welcome. :)

Everything looks great, I don't know about the case coz I never heard of it, but the hardware part looks great :) Although you don't really need 8gb RAM unless you're video editing or rendering, u could easily go for 4gb for gaming like I did.

Rest looks great :) And 6870 sounds promising for a nice price

[Krapper]

Everything looks great, I don't know about the case coz I never heard of it, but the hardware part looks great :) Although you don't really need 8gb RAM unless you're video editing or rendering, u could easily go for 4gb for gaming like I did.

Rest looks great :) And 6870 sounds promising for a nice price

Thanks for looking.

The case is an odd design that I like personally, but I realise not many people will. I am getting it mainly because it has excellent fans based on the reviews I have read. I do think I might cut down on the RAM too.

[hellboy_1991]

Thanks for looking.

The case is an odd design that I like personally, but I realise not many people will. I am getting it mainly because it has excellent fans based on the reviews I have read. I do think I might cut down on the RAM too.

As long as it has at least 1 fan intake and few as exhaust, you'll be fine for air flow :)

And yeah, cut the RAM imo, you can upgrade another 4gb kit in future if you need, but right now 4Gb is more than enough for gaming :p

[Crew]

* Intel Core i5 750 2.66 Ghz
* Asus P7P55D LE
* 4 GB DDR3 1600 Mhz Geil 2x2 GB
* Ati Sapphire Radeon 5870 Vapor-X
* 750 GB HDD SATA2 WD
* Corsair 650 W
* Win 7 Home Premium 64bit
* CoolerMaster RC-690 Black
* LG FLATRON W2261VP

[GoDMiN]

Which components were how much cooler, exactly?

The over all case was cooler I cant remember the exact numbers but it was noticeable, GPU ran cooler because it wasn't sitting in heat all the time, the PSU was a lot cooler because it wasn't sucking in all the heat, CPU was also a bit cooler, not by a ton, but like 5c give or take. I didn't have mobo, ram, or HDD temps but I'm sure they're running cooler now as well.

Parts were

AMD 720 2.8ghz
XIGMATEK HDT-S1283 cooler
ATi 4770
4gb ram
3 HDDs
creative labs sound card
Corsair 750w PSU

I also used stock cooling for the most part on both cases. I wouldn't be able to fit in the 5850 I'm using now either if I didn't get the 932

[EyeRoNiK]

My first computer ive had that wasnt a prebuilt :P

PSU: OCZ 700w
CPU: i5 760 @ 3.40ghz
RAM: OCZ 4.0GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 668MHz (9-9-9-24)
GPU: ATI Radeon HD 5830
HDD: 625GB Western Digital Caviar Black
Motherboard: ASUS P7P55D-E LX (LGA1156)
Case: Coolermaster HAF 922
OS: windows 7 64-bit

skipped

[DHRammstein]

* AMD Phenom II X4 970
* Gigabyte GA-870A-UD3
* ATI 5850 or AMD 6870 (will be choosing one of these soon)
* 8GB DDR3 PC3-10600 (Crucial Brand)
* 2x 1TB Samsung HD103SJ Spinpoint F3
* Corsair TX 650 W Power Supply
* Xclio / Meridian Technology A380PLUS-36 Black Tower
* Windows 7 Ultimate 64 Bit

Thanks for looking, this is what I plan to build in the next few months. Thoughts most welcome. :)

That's a dope case, I've recommended it to several people. It has great cooling. Great for overclocking, really good case temps, even with multiple Gpus. I'm running a very similar rig, and it's just perfect. 9.1/10

[DHRammstein]

My first computer ive had that wasnt a prebuilt :P

PSU: OCZ 700w
CPU: i5 760 @ 3.40ghz
RAM: OCZ 4.0GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 668MHz (9-9-9-24)
GPU: ATI Radeon HD 5830
HDD: 625GB Western Digital Caviar Black
Motherboard: ASUS P7P55D-E LX (LGA1156)
Case: Coolermaster HAF 922
OS: windows 7 64-bit

Perfect gaming rig, other than possibly a 5850 over the 5830, anything more would be overkill, it's about equal to what I'm running, very close. 9.0/10 for a perfectly balanced rig.

[DHRammstein]

* Intel Core i5 750 2.66 Ghz
* Asus P7P55D LE
* 4 GB DDR3 1600 Mhz Geil 2x2 GB
* Ati Sapphire Radeon 5870 Vapor-X
* 750 GB HDD SATA2 WD
* Corsair 650 W
* Win 7 Home Premium 64bit
* CoolerMaster RC-690 Black
* LG FLATRON W2261VP

OC the Cpu just a tad, nice rig. Other than PhII's the i5 750/760 I recommend the most. HT is overrated, and generally useless for gaming.

9.0/10 9.1 if OC'd a bit.

(Meant to edit to one post, trouble editing but fixed now, my bad for multi-post)

[neurokirurgi]

My first computer ive had that wasnt a prebuilt :P

PSU: OCZ 700w
CPU: i5 760 @ 3.40ghz
RAM: OCZ 4.0GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 668MHz (9-9-9-24)
GPU: ATI Radeon HD 5830
HDD: 625GB Western Digital Caviar Black
Motherboard: ASUS P7P55D-E LX (LGA1156)
Case: Coolermaster HAF 922
OS: windows 7 64-bit
8/10, nicely balanced parts and a good overclock. I would've gotten a GTX 460 instead of the HD5830 but it's still a decent card. I don't like the looks of the case, too flashy for my taste. I prefer the likes of Antec P182 and Lian Li.

[EyeRoNiK]

Yea it was my first rig i built and later kicked myself in the head for not noticing i could of got a 5850 for like 30$ more. Oh well.

[DHRammstein]

It's still a powerhouse, and more than enough for any source game. It's basically a stronger, cooler newer 4890, but DX11. Not sure if it's as overclockable as a 4890 tho.

[HL2-4-Life]

Yea it was my first rig i built and later kicked myself in the head for not noticing i could of got a 5850 for like 30$ more. Oh well.That system will handle just about all games (other than Metro 2033, Crysis, Warhead) at max setting + AA @1080P. Hell you can prolly do BC2 and MOH Tier 1 at max as well.

[EyeRoNiK]

That system will handle just about all games (other than Metro 2033, Crysis, Warhead) at max setting + AA @1080P. Hell you can prolly do BC2 and MOH Tier 1 at max as well.

Yea i actually just got done playing MOH at max settings (AA all the way up). I havent played a game yet where i had to scale down the graphics, although i havent played those games u mentioned.

[MikeBlaszczak]

well cheaper case may have less optional fans compared to a more expensive case.So what? A large number of fans isn't necessary for a successful build.

The over all case was cooler I cant remember the exact numbers but it was noticeable, GPU ran cooler because it wasn't sitting in heat all the time, the PSU was a lot cooler because it wasn't sucking in all the heat, CPU was also a bit cooler, not by a ton, but like 5c give or take. I didn't have mobo, ram, or HDD temps but I'm sure they're running cooler now as well.And what benefit does that give you? If you're screwing around with overclocking, then sure -- you want to remove as much heat as you can. If you're worried about temperature, you might want to have fewer larger fans turning more slowly than a higher number of smaller fans. If you're running at stock frequencies and voltages, the stock heat sink and fans are adequate.

I'm a bit puzzled because you've measured nothing quantitatively, but insist that the difference is "better" and "noticeable".

[dunny774]

I get it now.
You dislike enthusiasts.

[GoDMiN]

And what benefit does that give you? If you're screwing around with overclocking, then sure -- you want to remove as much heat as you can. If you're worried about temperature, you might want to have fewer larger fans turning more slowly than a higher number of smaller fans. If you're running at stock frequencies and voltages, the stock heat sink and fans are adequate.

I'm a bit puzzled because you've measured nothing quantitatively, but insist that the difference is "better" and "noticeable".

Considering my old case cost around $70-80, and the storm scout which is what I generally suggest people to get cost $100, bad better wire management, cools everything better and can fit the bigger cards if needed, I don't see why not to get a better case. Also when I got my 932 It was on sale for $150ish as well on new egg, totally worth the money to be being able to actually fit my new GPU.

Back to the original point about the $30 case, hes running a quad core with a 5970, thats got to put out some heat even if hes not OCing. IMHO he'd be better off with a mid ranged case with decent cooling.

[MikeBlaszczak]

I get it now.No, you don't.
You dislike enthusiasts.I'm an enthusiast, myself. I just build machines with priorities that are a little bit different than many (or perhaps most) other enthusiasts. I don't waste money on features I don't need, I don't waste time on tweaks I don't need, and I prefer stability over overclocking.

[notavirus.exe]

No, you don't.
I'm an enthusiast, myself. I just build machines with priorities that are a little bit different than many (or perhaps most) other enthusiasts. I don't waste money on features I don't need, I don't waste time on tweaks I don't need, and I prefer stability over overclocking.

This.

I have a Soprano RS case that I got refurbished. It can take a good amount of fan's but I opted to mod the clear side panel for 1x 240mm fan spinning at a lower rpm to keep the noise down. I used to run 3x 120 Thermaltake fans (plus the 120 in the front as intake and the 120 in the back as exhaust) and it made my pc sound like a low altitude attack chopper under my desk.

What was the difference in temperature? With the 240mm fan I now am a whole 2 degrees hotter, but I would say the noise level was cut down to a third of what it used to be.

I don't know...my pc may not be as powerful as some others machines, but it definitely is stable.

[The3rdPoliceman]

No, you don't.
I'm an enthusiast, myself. I just build machines with priorities that are a little bit different than many (or perhaps most) other enthusiasts. I don't waste money on features I don't need, I don't waste time on tweaks I don't need, and I prefer stability over overclocking.

I was never big on overclocking but mainly due to not knowing much about it. Last time I overclocked a gpu, was years ago with the Radeon 9800 Pro, it had little improvement. Many people though manage to keep stability while overclocking and see improvement. Would you prefer an I7 930 or 950 instead of an I7 920 overclocked?

[dunny774]

My machine's perfectly stable.
You can't buy a stock AMD CPU anywhere near as fast as my chip.

[notavirus.exe]

My machine's perfectly stable.
You can't buy a stock AMD CPU anywhere near as fast as my chip.

My quad at 3.0 ghz is plenty of muscle for any game out there.

Any computations for math that may require hardcore number crunching I can quickly write a program to use my ATI GPU to do the number crunching faster than my CPU, either way it gets the job done without spending workstation money.

Just because your chip is faster, doesn't necessarily mean everyone else's chip is slow.

[MikeBlaszczak]

Would you prefer an I7 930 or 950 instead of an I7 920 overclocked?Yes.

What was the difference in temperature? With the 240mm fan I now am a whole 2 degrees hotter, but I would say the noise level was cut down to a third of what it used to be.There are lots of different priorities to consider when building a rig. Noise is one; speed is another. Ease of build, ease of maintenance, disk performance, disk size, network structure, ... The ratings in this thread reflect personal preference more than anything else, and it seems a bit absurd that people get so hurt over the feedback that they themselves have asked for. Someone else has a different set of priorities than you, and therefore values the build differently. So what?

My machine's perfectly stable.So are mine. Difference is that I spent less time than you did, and less money, too. If you're happy with the time you've invested and the results, then that's great. You don't need to convince me of anything.

[DHRammstein]

Back to the original point about the $30 case, hes running a quad core with a 5970, thats got to put out some heat even if hes not OCing. IMHO he'd be better off with a mid ranged case with decent cooling.

I couldn't agree more, cooling should be a top priority, and not addressing it as such leads to instability and shortened lifespan.

Every system I build, and with every recommendation, system cooling (Case, case/system fans, HSF, etc etc) are all top priority for future upgradibility and overclocking.

A cool system is a happy system, period.

[HL2-4-Life]

Yep, cases aren't simply for aesthetics purposes only, they serve to not only house a system, they can help keep a system stable by providing good airflow which benefits cooling tremendously. My first truly mid/high end case was a SilverStone TJ03, then I'd moved to a Tt Mozart TX with its maxed out 10x 120mm case fans for max cooling (a tad loud though as I tend to use high CFM fans). I still have this case, it houses my HTPC setup. After the Mozart, I decided to go very high end and got a Japanese made Soldam XR-1 (2x 140mm intake fans + 2x 120mm fans after HDD cage). BTW, I have not sold any of these cases, the TJ03's with my nephew on loan.

I find it weird that someone can build a nicely spec'ed system (sometimes with high to very high end parts), yet skimp on PSU and case......especially the case. I mean, if you want to splurge on the rig, might as well pony up for a very good or high end case.

[notavirus.exe]

Yep, cases aren't simply for aesthetics purposes only, they serve to not only house a system, they can help keep a system stable by providing good airflow which benefits cooling tremendously. My first truly mid/high end case was a SilverStone TJ03, then I'd moved to a Tt Mozart TX with its maxed out 10x 120mm case fans for max cooling (a tad loud though as I tend to use high CFM fans). I still have this case, it houses my HTPC setup. After the Mozart, I decided to go very high end and got a Japanese made Soldam XR-1 (2x 140mm intake fans + 2x 120mm fans after HDD cage). BTW, I have not sold any of these cases, the TJ03's with my nephew on loan.

I find it weird that someone can build a nicely spec'ed system (sometimes with high to very high end parts), yet skimp on PSU and case......especially the case. I mean, if you want to splurge on the rig, might as well pony up for a very good or high end case.

One can just as easy buy a $30 case and use household tools to improve the airflow. In the past I've used old P4 dell cases (like dimension 4500's) and put my own fans in them. It works if your willing to spend a little time on working out the airflow, and its custom fit to what you need/want.

Its a give or take thing, really dependent on who's building and who the build is for.

[DHRammstein]

Very high end components, and lots of them, in s small space, requires surface to surface high end cooling.. air cooling that is, naturally water is different.

I agree as far as case modding, OEM cases can be modified to move tons more air than most do, especially HP's and Dell's newest cases.

Although if someone is building, it's always worth saving up that little bit extra. Sure a case can be modded, but what about a 'good' case, that's also modded.

I don't generally recommend a bunch of fans, etc etc, for a simple build, but if a person intends to use multiple Gpu's, high end Cpu/Ram config,plus overclocking, a very good push/pull air setup is necessary.

As far as case modding however, I took my HP case I have and removed like a pound of plastic, internal metal sleaving, etc etc, and dropped ambient temps about 10*c, so I totally agree, except only in OEM case builds on a tight budget. Otherwise I think smart choices along with modding, together, is best.

[PhocasDeath]

To HDRammstein; I do agree that many fans can be unnecessary, but as with my mid-tower case, some suffer with air flow problems, and more fans CAN, but not necessarily will, increase air flow through outward force.

No, you don't.
I'm an enthusiast, myself. I just build machines with priorities that are a little bit different than many (or perhaps most) other enthusiasts. I don't waste money on features I don't need, I don't waste time on tweaks I don't need, and I prefer stability over overclocking.

I completely agree. I would much rather have a stable CPU/GPU that I can trust in than an overclocked system.

[PhocasDeath]

HARDWARE:
Rosewill Smart One ATX Mid Tower Case
ASRock 880GXH/USB3 AMD Motherboard
AMD Phenom II X4 945 Quad-Core, 3.0GHz, 2MB L2, 6MB L3
Arctic Cooling Freezer 92mm Ceramic HS/Fan
G.SKILL Ripjaws 8GB(2x 4GB) DDR3 1333, Dual-Channel
XFX HD-567X-ZNF3, Radeon HD 5670, 1GB GDDR5
2x Samsung Spinpoint F4, 320GB, 7200RPM SATA Drive, RAID 0
Sunbeam 680W Modular Power Supply
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-Bit (for System Builders)
Extra Goodies: 5x 120mm Case Fans, 3.5" SATA Plug'N'Play Rack, Floppy/Multi-Card Combo, 4+1 USB Card

PassMark PerformanceTest STATISTICS:
Avg Max Temp: 37°C
CPU: 2786 FLOPs
Disk 0: 300MB/s read, 245MB/s write

(Sorry to double post, deleted my old list because I didn't post first)

[GoDMiN]

One can just as easy buy a $30 case and use household tools to improve the airflow. In the past I've used old P4 dell cases (like dimension 4500's) and put my own fans in them. It works if your willing to spend a little time on working out the airflow, and its custom fit to what you need/want.

Its a give or take thing, really dependent on who's building and who the build is for.

Yea but who wants to do all that? Sure modders may like that stuff but I'd rather spend a little more and get gaming faster. Its as bad as OCing to me. Too much time needed for little return. Ofc that said I have been thinking about either making my own case or modding one myself for the hell of it so my bulldozer will have a uber home whenever they come out.


My machine's perfectly stable.
You can't buy a stock AMD CPU anywhere near as fast as my chip.
And how much return did you get out of your time spent actually OCing the CPU? Like 3%? The X6s are bad in lightly threaded apps as is, even with that OC you're most likely being out FPSed by a stock 965 or even a 555 that cost less in games like TF2. So much for enthusiasts I guess

[dunny774]

I enjoy overclocking, it gives me something to do.
Time wasted? None.
My CPU at 4.25GHZ with a CPU NB of 3.15 getting out "FPS'ed" by a stock 965? Get real. A 965 at stock would bottleneck my 5970.

[neurokirurgi]

The 1055T is about 200 dollars, the 965 is about 180.

So you get a two cores extra and if you don't overclock, you'll enjoy the Turbo mode that's featured. For a 20 dollar premium? To me, that's a no-brainer. I got my 1075T for 230€ (regular price around here is over 250€), so I paid 40€ more compared to the 965BE (here in Finland) and I can tell you, it was worth it.

It overclocks like a dream too.

I also enjoy tweaking around with my hardware so I don't consider overclocking a loss of time.

[Comrade Python]

ATI Radeon HD 4870 512 MB DDR5
AMD Phenom II X4 3.2 GHz Deneb Black Edition
3 Gigabytes RAM (unsure what type but its pretty standard fare)
onboard sound for now, my sound blaster audigy broke...getting a new one BUT its a VIA HD onboard sound card
250 Gigabytes of HDD space (also standard fare, nothin special)
550w Corsair PSU

[rotNdude]

HARDWARE:
Rosewill Smart One ATX Mid Tower Case
ASRock 880GXH/USB3 AMD Motherboard
AMD Phenom II X4 945 Quad-Core, 3.0GHz, 2MB L2, 6MB L3
Arctic Cooling Freezer 92mm Ceramic HS/Fan
G.SKILL Ripjaws 8GB(2x 4GB) DDR3 1333, Dual-Channel
XFX HD-567X-ZNF3, Radeon HD 5670, 1GB GDDR5
2x Samsung Spinpoint F4, 320GB, 7200RPM SATA Drive, RAID 0
Sunbeam 680W Modular Power Supply
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-Bit (for System Builders)
Extra Goodies: 5x 120mm Case Fans, 3.5" SATA Plug'N'Play Rack, Floppy/Multi-Card Combo, 4+1 USB Card

PassMark PerformanceTest STATISTICS:
Avg Max Temp: 37°C
CPU: 2786 FLOPs
Disk 0: 300MB/s read, 245MB/s write

(Sorry to double post, deleted my old list because I didn't post first)

8.4/10

ATI Radeon HD 4870 512 MB DDR5
AMD Phenom II X4 3.2 GHz Deneb Black Edition
3 Gigabytes RAM (unsure what type but its pretty standard fare)
onboard sound for now, my sound blaster audigy broke...getting a new one BUT its a VIA HD onboard sound card
250 Gigabytes of HDD space (also standard fare, nothin special)
550w Corsair PSU

8.7/10

[UberMudkipz]

ASUS M4A785-M Motherboard
Radeon HD 5850 (HIS iCooler)
6Gb Corsair XMS Series DDR2
AMD Phenom II 955 @3.2 GHz
500W Corsair PSU
500Gb Kingston 7200 RPM HDD
NZXT Lexa-S Case
ASUS VH226H 21.5" Monitor
Logitech G110 Keyboard
CM Storm Sentinel Mouse

[madpistol]

ASUS M4A785-M Motherboard
Radeon HD 5850 (HIS iCooler)
6Gb Corsair XMS Series DDR2
AMD Phenom II 955 @3.2 GHz
500W Corsair PSU
500Gb Kingston 7200 RPM HDD
NZXT Lexa-S Case
ASUS VH226H 21.5" Monitor
Logitech G110 Keyboard
CM Storm Sentinel Mouse

Great little system. As far as raw power goes, it's balanced, but not uber powerful. It's also fairly inexpensive for the level of performance you should get.



8.8/10

[wuliheron]

Cooler Master Storm Sniper case
Corsair Tx750 psu
Gigabyte GA-MA790X-UD4P am2+ am3 mobo
Phenom II 940be cpu
Cooler Master V8 cpu cooler
8gb OCZ Platinum ddr2 1066 ram
(2) Radeon 5850s crossfire

She'll max out Crysis at 50 fps average but, of course, Metro will bring her to her knees.

[neurokirurgi]

ASUS M4A785-M Motherboard
Radeon HD 5850 (HIS iCooler)
6Gb Corsair XMS Series DDR2
AMD Phenom II 955 @3.2 GHz
500W Corsair PSU
500Gb Kingston 7200 RPM HDD
NZXT Lexa-S Case
ASUS VH226H 21.5" Monitor
Logitech G110 Keyboard
CM Storm Sentinel Mouse
Good build aside from that mATX mobo. 7.5/10.

[Roland1999]

ASUS M4A78T-E Motherboard
ATI Radeon 4870 1 GB (XFX Cooler)
8 GB G.SKILL DDR3 1333 ram
AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black 3.4GHz
Corsair CMPSU 650W
WD Caviar Blue 640GB HD

She hasn't broken a sweat with any game I've thrown at her. RE5, Battlefield BC2, Crysis, Fallout 3...

[fbspazzy]

Motherboard: EVGA 132-BL-E758-RX
GPU's: 2x EVGA GTX 480(stock speed), 1x XFX Alpha Dog Edition 8800GT(physx)
RAM: 6GB DDR3 @ 1333mhz 7-7-7-20 (past this point didn't improve performance enough to be bothered)
Processor: Intel 980x @ 4.2ghzish
PSU: Antec TPQ-1200 (1200w)
HDD's: 2x 1TB in raid 0, 1x 750 gig for storage

http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=1442344

It started to lag once when I set off 5,000 nukes at the same time on supreme commander 2. Before the engine crashed, anyway.

[neurokirurgi]

Motherboard: EVGA 132-BL-E758-RX
GPU's: 2x EVGA GTX 480(stock speed), 1x XFX Alpha Dog Edition 8800GT(physx)
RAM: 6GB DDR3 @ 1333mhz 7-7-7-20 (past this point didn't improve performance enough to be bothered)
Processor: Intel 980x @ 4.2ghzish
PSU: Antec TPQ-1200 (1200w)
HDD's: 2x 1TB in raid 0, 1x 750 gig for storage

http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=1442344

It started to lag once when I set off 5,000 nukes at the same time on supreme commander 2. Before the engine crashed, anyway.
9.6/10, my highest to date. Price/performance is not taken into consideration.

The lacking 0.4 points comes from the lack of an SSD.

[fbspazzy]

9.6/10, my highest to date. Price/performance is not taken into consideration.

The lacking 0.4 points comes from the lack of an SSD.

I'd considered going with SSD's instead, but it just wasn't worth the loss of storage and extra money to me (says the guy with a 980x). My current setup is getting ~250MB/s reads and ~220MB/s writes so it's not all bad.

[neurokirurgi]

Nice speeds but it's the access time that really counts.

[fbspazzy]

Nice speeds but it's the access time that really counts.

what's a good program for testing those?

[neurokirurgi]

HDTune should work I guess.

[fbspazzy]

HDTune should work I guess.

Access Time: 11.8ms according to that. I dunno if that's good; hard drives aren't really what does it for me.
edit: i googled it. hah. I suppose I'll grab an ssd or two eventually.

[capncrunch53]

Hey guys, bought my buddy's P2 x4 rig off him when he upgraded to a 1055T/AM3. Also have made some upgrades to my old one as well, so i'd be interested in seeing how it rates according to you guys.

Pegasus (New main rig, watercooled):
AMD Phenom II X4 920 @ 3.5GHz stable
MSI K9A2 Platinum (790FX)
2x2GB OCZ Platinum 1066MHz DDR2
Sapphire Radeon HD4870 512MB @ 750/900
500GB Seagate Barracuda 7200.10
LiteOn 20x SATA DVD Burner
Corsair TX650
Lian Li PC-65B
Scythe Kazemaster Fan Controller
Swiftech MCP655-B Pump
Black Ice GT Stealth 360 X-Flow Radiator
XSPC Rasa CPU Block
Swiftech MCRES Micro R2 Resevoir
Windows 7 x64 Ultimate
Acer H233H 1920x1080
Saitek Eclipse II
Logitech G500
Klipsch Promedia 4.1 Surround


Prometheus (Now my secondary rig):
Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 @ 3.6GHz stable
ZALMAN 9500A CPU Cooler
MSI P7N SLI Platinum (nForce 750i)
2x2GB OCZ Platinum 1066MHz DDR2
2xEVGA GeForce 8800GT 512MB in SLI @ 650/1620/950
OCZ Agility 2 60GB
2x250GB Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 in RAID 0
Asus SATA DVD Burner
Corsair HX850
CoolerMaster 692 Advanced
Zalman 6-Channel Fan Controller
Windows 7 x64 Ultimate
Acer X203W 1680x1050
Dynex Keyboard
Logitech MX518


I know the 4870 in the main rig is kinda old, though in all honesty it is just fine for what I play. Thinking about getting a 6870 or 6970 for it and throwing the 4870 in my old Windsor AM2 rig. Also, got 2x36GB Raptors coming for the main rig for RAID0 to hold me over until I decide to get him an SSD, so if you wanna factor that in or not is up to you.

EDIT: Raptors turned out to be junk, but I only paid $36 for the pair so oh well. I ordered a 60GB OCZ Vertex 2 SSD and a HIS 6870 1GB for Pegasus just now, which in my mind will eliminate his 2 biggest weaknesses at the moment.

[Gedaning]

This is my new labtop:

i7 740QM Quad Core Processor, 1.73GHz(2.93GHz Turbo Mode, 6M Cache)
4GB Dual Channel Memory (2x 2GB DDR3)
1GB GDDR5 ATI Radeon Mobility HD 5850
500GB SATAII 7,200RPM
Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium, 64bit

[imeem]

This is my new labtop:

i7 740QM Quad Core Processor, 1.73GHz(2.93GHz Turbo Mode, 6M Cache)
4GB Dual Channel Memory (2x 2GB DDR3)
1GB GDDR5 ATI Radeon Mobility HD 5850
500GB SATAII 7,200RPM
Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium, 64bit

8.5~8.9/10. faster than my desktop LOL (i think)

[Phistachio]

Rate mine, NAO!

ASUS N61Jq - JX040V

i7 720QM 1.6GHz quad core with TB to 2.8 GHz
ATi Mobility Radeon HD 5730
6GB RAM
500GB HDD

Runs anything I throw at her... She is soooooooo ♥♥♥♥ hawt :D

[Gedaning]

8.5~8.9/10. faster than my desktop LOL (i think)

well it cost almost $1500 so it better be a good laptop:D

[Traliz]

This Is My First ever Custom Computer or really good computer i am getting.


Specs

Processor: Intel Core i-7 Quad 2.93Ghz
Memory: 12GB DDR3 RAM
Storage: 3TB HDD
Optical Drive: DVD Burner
Video: 2GB Dedicated nVidia GeForce GTX460 (3D Compatible)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional OEM

Steel Chassis, 23 cm Cooling Fan, Heavy Duty 700Watt Power Supply,

Front Panel Ports : e-SATA connector x 1, USB2.0 x 4, IEEE 1394 Firewire x 1, HD Audio

[richei]

Just a question, but why do you need 12gig of ram. there's nothing out there that will ever use it. drop down to 4gig and use that extra cash to get another 460 to run in sli mode.

[Traliz]

in the computer i got at the moment and 4gg is slow

and i have updated the usb ports to usb 3.0 for them to work faster.

[Fatimmortal]

Having just 4 gigs isn't slow, it just leaves you with lesser space to work with. Unless the 4 gigs you currently have is DDR-333.

But hell, don't we already have a thread for showing our specs?

[Traliz]

i am not a computer smart a friend helped me out picking parts and stuff

i do not know what a DDR-333 is

richei i was thinking of getting another 2GB Dedicated nVidia GeForce GTX460 (3D Compatible)

later on in a few mouths or so

[richei]

Adding another 8gig won't give you any noticeable increase in performance and even if you have cas 9 ram, its not slow. If that's what your friend told you, then i suggest getting a friend that actually knows what he's talking about, because that one doesn't.

DDR3 1333 is a type of ram. if you're gaming, get rid of that additional 8gig of ram and go with something in the cas 6 or 7 range.

You really need to do your own research because i feel you're getting ripped off.

There is one, but i guess he's to special to post in there.

[Fatimmortal]

Adding another 8gig won't give you any noticeable increase in performance and even if you have cas 9 ram, its not slow. If that's what your friend told you, then i suggest getting a friend that actually knows what he's talking about, because that one doesn't.

DDR3 1333 is a type of ram. if you're gaming, get rid of that additional 8gig of ram and go with something in the cas 6 or 7 range.

You really need to do your own research because i feel you're getting ripped off.

There is one, but i guess he's to special to post in there.

Ahem, when I said DDR-333, I meant the OLD ram that P4 processors and the like were using, YEARS ago.

[Traliz]

i got the extra ram so the computer does not slow up when i am hosting more then 4 game servers.

i got the same story from my friend about you do not need same much ram

[richei]

oh well, since your not going to listen to us and just make excuses, then i'm done.

trailz - i know what you were talking about. i was answering the guy's question. lol, but yea, 12gig of the old 168pin sdram would be an improvement over 4 or 8 :) I still have that stuff laying around, along with the stuff that came before that ;)

[Traliz]

i am listing to you but my computer stays on most of the day and when my friend builds it for me he is only putting 8 gig in at the start and later on i am most probs going to add another 2GB Dedicated nVidia GeForce GTX460 (3D Compatible) for sli mode

[chrs3]

I've also just build my first pc.

-i7-920 Bloomfield
-Gigabyte X58A-UD3R
-2x Gigabyte GTX460OC-1GB (SLI)
-Western Digital 640GB Sata600 for OS
-Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB for storage
-Samsung DVD SH-S223C
-Cooler Master Hyper 212 + processor cooler
-6GB Kingston Valueram DDR3-1333
in a CM690II Advanced housing.

Running on Win 7 Home 64 bit.

Is this any good? It runs good anyways ;))

[neurokirurgi]

I've also just build my first pc.

-i7-920 Bloomfield
-Gigabyte X58A-UD3R
-2x Gigabyte GTX460OC-1GB (SLI)
-Western Digital 640GB Sata600 for OS
-Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB for storage
-Samsung DVD SH-S223C
-Cooler Master Hyper 212 + processor cooler
-6GB Kingston Valueram DDR3-1333
in a CM690II Advanced housing.

Running on Win 7 Home 64 bit.

Is this any good? It runs good anyways ;))

It's great, nice picks.

[XfactorAU]

My old pc was a P4 2.4ghz, 1gb ram, 60gb hdd (later replaced the default drive with an 80 gb), added a second hdd that was 120gb (replaced it a few months back with a 500gb hdd).

My new pc:

Intel i7-950
6GB ram
1tb hdd
GTX460 OC 1GB
Cooler Master Elite 330 case

The specs don't mean too much if they are a poor performing brand, i had noted that the hdd supplied with the system was a dud (known for constant failures), so i had it replaced with a better one.

[rotNdude]

My old pc was a P4 2.4ghz, 1gb ram, 60gb hdd (later replaced the default drive with an 80 gb), added a second hdd that was 120gb (replaced it a few months back with a 500gb hdd).

My new pc:

Intel i7-950
6GB ram
1tb hdd
GTX460 OC 1GB
Cooler Master Elite 330 case

The specs don't mean too much if they are a poor performing brand, i had noted that the hdd supplied with the system was a dud (known for constant failures), so i had it replaced with a better one.

Not bad. I give it a 9.1/10.

[capncrunch53]

Made a few updates to my main rig:

-AMD Phenom II x4 920 @ 3.5GHz, stable
-MSI K9A2 Platinum
-2x2GB OCZ Platinum 1066MHz DDR2
-HIS Radeon HD6870 1GB
-OCZ Vertex 2 60GB SSD
-Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 500GB
-Corsair TX650
-Lian Li PC-65B
-Custom CPU watercooling loop, ~25C idle (depending on room temp), 46C load

[borg_7_of_9]

Made a few updates to my main rig:

-AMD Phenom II x4 920 @ 3.5GHz, stable
-MSI K9A2 Platinum
-2x2GB OCZ Platinum 1066MHz DDR2
-HIS Radeon HD6870 1GB
-OCZ Vertex 2 60GB SSD
-Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 500GB
-Corsair TX650
-Lian Li PC-65B
-Custom CPU watercooling loop, ~25C idle (depending on room temp), 46C load

8.8/10 nice build good temp's on The CPU.

[OwenJ]

My rig at the moment, keeping in mind I Have just ordered an X6 and another 5850.

AMD 955 @ 3.4GHz
ASUS ATi 5850 x 2
DFI LP 790FXB-SB750
3 x 2GB G.Skill DDR3 - 1666MHz
2xWD 1TB - 1xOCZ Stealth 80GB SSD (Operating System)
Corair TX750
NZXT Apollo ( Temp case, attempted to mod the other one and ♥♥♥♥ed up baaaaaad )

[borg_7_of_9]

My rig at the moment, keeping in mind I Have just ordered an X6 and another 5850.

AMD 955 @ 3.4GHz
ASUS ATi 5850 x 2
DFI LP 790FXB-SB750
3 x 2GB G.Skill DDR3 - 1666MHz
2xWD 1TB - 1xOCZ Stealth 80GB SSD (Operating System)
Corair TX750
NZXT Apollo ( Temp case, attempted to mod the other one and ♥♥♥♥ed up baaaaaad )

8.9/10 and the CPU upgrade is a waste really if it for gaming..
3x2G ram on an AMD board :confused:

[kdawgmaster]

my new rig :D

I5 760 overclocked to 4.1GH/z idle 29C load 64C
4GB Corsairs MXS 3 DDR3 1600 ram
XFX5870
mobo gigabyte P55A-UD4P
Coolermaster silentPro M 850watt
Zalman 9700
case Antec 902
2X1TB western digital caviar black 7200RPM
and 1 500GB western digital caviar blue (OS hard drive.)

My rig at the moment, keeping in mind I Have just ordered an X6 and another 5850.

AMD 955 @ 3.4GHz
ASUS ATi 5850 x 2
DFI LP 790FXB-SB750
3 x 2GB G.Skill DDR3 - 1666MHz
2xWD 1TB - 1xOCZ Stealth 80GB SSD (Operating System)
Corair TX750
NZXT Apollo ( Temp case, attempted to mod the other one and ♥♥♥♥ed up baaaaaad )

why would u have 3 sticks of ram with a AMD CPU ur now running flex memory which is slower then running dual channel, also the CPU upgrade wont boast any FPS increase and a third 5850 u might as well waited and went with 3 6950's if u want power.

[Jord-Teh-PwneR]

Core 2 Duo E8400 OC 3.6
Thermalright Ultra 120 eXtreme
Antec 902
Corsair HX750W
GB GTX470 OC edition
4GB RAM
GB EP45-UD3P
BenQ G2412HD
GSkill Falcon II 64GB + WD Caviar Black 500GB
Win 7 Ultimate x64

That's my PC.. needs upgrading a bit like CPU, but probably going to get like a Q8400 or something, should be plenty for a while.

[kdawgmaster]

Core 2 Duo E8400 OC 3.6
Thermalright Ultra 120 eXtreme
Antec 902
Corsair HX750W
GB GTX470 OC edition
4GB RAM
GB EP45-UD3P
BenQ G2412HD
GSkill Falcon II 64GB + WD Caviar Black 500GB
Win 7 Ultimate x64

That's my PC.. needs upgrading a bit like CPU, but probably going to get like a Q8400 or something, should be plenty for a while.

y are u planing to upgrade to a CPU thats on par or not even as good as ur current one. Dont waste ur money on the Q8400 they arent as good of an overclocking CPU and with a P45 mobo u could probabnly get that E8400 to be 4GH/z.

[borg_7_of_9]

my new rig :D

I5 760 overclocked to 4.1GH/z idle 29C load 64C
4GB Corsairs MXS 3 DDR3 1600 ram
XFX5870
mobo gigabyte P55A-UD4P
Coolermaster silentPro M 850watt
Zalman 9700
case Antec 902
2X1TB western digital caviar black 7200RPM
and 1 500GB western digital caviar blue (OS hard drive.)



9.2/10 not a fan of that Zalman cooler, SSD for os, Over clocking a cpu that does not need it.


Core 2 Duo E8400 OC 3.6
Thermalright Ultra 120 eXtreme
Antec 902
Corsair HX750W
GB GTX470 OC edition
4GB RAM
GB EP45-UD3P
BenQ G2412HD
GSkill Falcon II 64GB + WD Caviar Black 500GB
Win 7 Ultimate x64

That's my PC.. needs upgrading a bit like CPU, but probably going to get like a Q8400 or something, should be plenty for a while.

Don't bother with the Q8400, there's not a lot of game that need more than a 3G CPU, If you are going to upgrade look at Sandy bridge CPUs when they come out.

8/10 nice lil rig IMO

[kdawgmaster]

9.2/10 not a fan of that Zalman cooler, SSD for os, Over clocking a cpu that does not need it.




Don't bother with the Q8400, there's not a lot of game that need more than a 3G CPU, If you are going to upgrade look at Sandy bridge CPUs when they come out.

8/10 nice lil rig IMO

Not a fan of ssd hard dives. Their price are a little high for me

[The3rdPoliceman]

Been working with the following build for a few weeks and quite happy with it:

I7 950 +Zalman CNPS 9900A LED Cooler
Asus Rampage III Formula
OCZ Platinum 1600MHZ Triple Channel 6GB CL7
Seagate Momentus XT 500GB
Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB
Zotac GTX 470 SLI
Corsair HX850
Cooler Master HAF-X

[le2key]

my new rig :D

I5 760 overclocked to 4.1GH/z idle 29C load 64C
4GB Corsairs MXS 3 DDR3 1600 ram
XFX5870
mobo gigabyte P55A-UD4P
Coolermaster silentPro M 850watt
Zalman 9700
case Antec 902
2X1TB western digital caviar black 7200RPM
and 1 500GB western digital caviar blue (OS hard drive.)

9/10 great set up nothing too crazy but more than enough for 99% of games out there.

No offense, but I have the same motherboard and cpu as you and I'm sort of skeptical about those temps, I have mine at 4ghz on a H70 and it idles at 34C(I blame it on case airflow) and loads at 61C. I've researched the 9900NT (higher model) and it doesn't perform nearly as well as what you have. I don't know, either I'm jealous or you got a cpu from one heck of a batch.

[kdawgmaster]

9/10 great set up nothing too crazy but more than enough for 99% of games out there.

No offense, but I have the same motherboard and cpu as you and I'm sort of skeptical about those temps, I have mine at 4ghz on a H70 and it idles at 34C(I blame it on case airflow) and loads at 61C. I've researched the 9900NT (higher model) and it doesn't perform nearly as well as what you have. I don't know, either I'm jealous or you got a cpu from one heck of a batch.

Those were the temps after the most extensive game I played.

[Losse]

AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz
ASUS M4A79XTD EVO
XION PowerReal AXP-850R14N 850W ATX 12V v2.2 / EPS 12V v2.91
XFX HD-567X-ZNF3 Radeon HD 5670 1GB 128-bit DDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16
CORSAIR XMS3 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800)
Western Digital Caviar Blue WD5000AAKS 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s
NZXT Apollo Black SECC Steel Chassis ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit

I have a DVD drive at home for it.

[whisperity]

Asus M4A78L-M LE
AMD Athlon2 250 CPU, cased (3.1 GHZ, 2 cores) (AM3 socket)
DDR2 4 GB PC800 Kingston Dual RAM KIT, CL5 (2x2GB)
500 GB WD Caviar Black SATA2 HDD 32MB cache
Samsung DVD-writer SH-S223 OEM SATA, black
Sapphire Radeon HD4650 512MB DDR2 HDMI VGA
AeroCool Vx-E case (black) (Bovito, 3 év)
Chieftec DTG550 550W
Labtec Media Wireless DesktopPro 800 Keyboard-mouse set
17" Acer V173AB TFT

Bought recently in July, cost 620€ / 870.75$.

Also have a gifted Leadtek WinFast TV Expert 2000 Analog TV-card.

[Monster_user]

Core 2 Duo E7500 2.9Ghz
Geforce GT 240 512mb
4GB DDR2-800
250GB HDD
Vista Ultimate
19" LCD 1440x900

[neilg543]

windows xp home edition SP3 ,AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4600+ 2.41 GHz, 1.87GB of RAM, Nvidia Geforce 6150 LE Driver version 260.99. 293GB hard drive

Thats all I know Im a noob

[imeem]

windows xp home edition SP3 ,AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4600+ 2.41 GHz, 1.87GB of RAM, Nvidia Geforce 6150 LE Driver version 260.99. 293GB hard drive

Thats all I know Im a noob

6/10. need better graphic card and more ram maybe.