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dr.koljan
06-19-2009, 07:53 AM
Well, not exactly $1500 but rather 700 Latvian lats (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latvian_lats).

I was wondering if there was anyone willing to spare a few minutes to see what build can be assembled for this budget at this online store (http://datori.dateks.lv/).

My wishlist (in order of importance):
Quiet (maybe not as much as a laptop, but at least inaudible from outside the room)
Big monitor (like 24", to watch movies :D)
Sound card (for listening to lossless music)
Gaming mouse (Logitech MX Revolution is uncomfortable)
Fancy-looking keyboard
(only if it really doesn't affect the performance) Intel processor, GeForce card (for no real reason, I just kinda like these brands better)

Thanks in advance!

Buff
06-19-2009, 08:09 AM
$1500 will get you a really nice pc, even if you have to buy everything (monitor etc as well).

compywiz
06-19-2009, 08:14 AM
Check out the i7 builds going on in a few threads here and see how much you can get those parts for. Probably the best way to dump 1500 into a rig.

cbkilla1
06-19-2009, 11:46 AM
yea get a i7 core

SuperJawes2112
06-19-2009, 01:34 PM
But make sure you go 920...I recently got a new rig (with monitor) and it cost me about $1300 total.

Core i7 920
9800GT
6GB DDR3 RAM
22" Acer Monitor with 1680 x 1050 Resolution

Everything is nice, but with an extra $200, you probably can drop in a GTX 260 and a bigger/higher resolution monitor. Again, the 920 is the way to go. The 940 is faster, but the gains come at a high dollar value.

Also, I got mine through cyberpowerpc.com. Their prices were similar to the newegg raw costs, and it came built and with Vista installed.

Buff
06-19-2009, 01:55 PM
From 5 minutes on Newegg, just an indication:

i7 920 + BIOSTAR TpowerX58 LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.198368) - $494,98
GTX 260 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130434) - $194,99
Sony Optiarc Black 18X DVD-ROM 48X CD-ROM IDE DVD-ROM Drive Model DDU1678A - OEM (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827131061) - $18,49
RAIDMAX Scorpio ATX-868WSP Silver 0.8mm SECC ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 420watts PS2 ATX12V Power Supply (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811156139) - $49,99
Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 ST31000333AS 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148373) - $89,99
CORSAIR 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model TWIN2X4096-6400C5 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145184) - $46,99
LG W2353V-PF Black 23" 2ms(GTG) HDMI Full HD 1080P Widescreen LCD Monitor 300 cd/m2 50000:1 w/ Smart Package (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824005125) - $219,99
Antec EA750 750W ATX12V version 2.3 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply - Retail (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371026) - $109,99

$1210, so way within your budget.

dr.koljan
06-22-2009, 04:14 AM
Thanks a lot for all these advices, but I had forgotten to mention that I don't need a new monitor - I currently have an LCD panel 1280x1024 from Sony which is good enough for me. Instead, I'd like to have a good soundcard and headset. I don't need anything super-high-fidelity, just being able to tell lossless music from MP3 is enough (if that's even possible). Any suggestions?

Buff
06-22-2009, 04:48 AM
Thanks a lot for all these advices, but I had forgotten to mention that I don't need a new monitor - I currently have an LCD panel 1280x1024 from Sony which is good enough for me. Instead, I'd like to have a good soundcard and headset. I don't need anything super-high-fidelity, just being able to tell lossless music from MP3 is enough (if that's even possible). Any suggestions?

So just the Computer + Keyboard + Mouse + Speakers?

The build I posted still applies, just add a Soundcard, Mouse and Keyboard. For Speakers, might I recommend:

JBL Creature 3 (http://www.amazon.com/Creature-Computer-Speakers-3-Speaker-Silver/dp/B00006IRR4)

Awesome sound, and they look good (Darth Vader speakers ftw).

if you don't plan on upgrading to a bigger monitor, $1500 will get you a PC that will be overkill for every game. So unless you're also looking at other things, why not buy a shiny new bigger monitor as well? ;)

lhwj
06-22-2009, 05:43 AM
From 5 minutes on Newegg, just an indication:

i7 920 + BIOSTAR TpowerX58 LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.198368) - $494,98

RAIDMAX Scorpio ATX-868WSP Silver 0.8mm SECC ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 420watts PS2 ATX12V Power Supply (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811156139) - $49,99

CORSAIR 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model TWIN2X4096-6400C5 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145184) - $46,99


$1210, so way within your budget.

Uh, DDR2 RAM will not work with the x58 motherboard...

Luke

antigandhi
06-22-2009, 05:47 AM
thats just... a bad build. go look on other threads, and look for posts made by t-rush, lhwj, and rotndude.

dont buy the case and power supply listed, it's poor quality.

Buff
06-22-2009, 05:48 AM
Uh, DDR2 RAM will not work with the x58 motherboard...

Luke

Yeah, silly me. Thanks for pointing it out (I was telling myself to keep an eye on that when searching for these as well :o).

CORSAIR XMS3 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 Desktop Memory Model TW3X4G1333C9A G (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145251) - $94,99

thats just... a bad build. go look on other threads, and look for posts made by t-rush, lhwj, and rotndude.

dont buy the case and power supply listed, it's poor quality.

I know it is, hence why I said (right away) it's a price indication.

dr.koljan
06-22-2009, 05:58 AM
The build I posted still applies, just add a Soundcard, Mouse and Keyboard. For Speakers, might I recommend:

Thanks for the advice, but I'd really like to get a headset rather than speakers. Is there any good combination of soundcard/headset that would give me a quality worth the price?

Also, I don't mind spending less than 1500$ for the PC as long as it can run all/most games for next 3-4 years - if there is enough money left, I'd like to buy a new phone.

l4dr0cks123
06-22-2009, 07:42 AM
Thanks for the advice, but I'd really like to get a headset rather than speakers. Is there any good combination of soundcard/headset that would give me a quality worth the price?

Headset should be a Logitech and sound card a Soundblaster Xifi. Also buy DDR3 3x2 GB RAM. OCZ is good.

antigandhi
06-22-2009, 07:59 AM
I know it is, hence why I said (right away) it's a price indication.

erghh im confused.. why does anyone need a price indication when they already have a budget? maybe im missing something.

dr.koljan
06-22-2009, 08:35 AM
Headset should be a Logitech and sound card a Soundblaster Xifi. Also buy DDR3 3x2 GB RAM. OCZ is good.

I currently have Creative HS-600, will the sound quality get better with a decent soundcard or should I buy another headset?

Baron_Fel
06-22-2009, 09:37 AM
Do you know of any sites that ship to latvia? Or are you going retail?

dr.koljan
06-22-2009, 09:50 AM
We have our online stores. :)

T Rush
06-22-2009, 11:23 AM
We have our online stores. :)
if you can give us a link to where you would order from, we could use that(as prices and part availability will be way different than newegg) to post 'parts lists' of the individual components you could get, and then assemble(build (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?p=9266429#post9266429)) the computer yourself, or have someone locally help you...or will you be needing a 'pre-built' computer that is ready to run out of the box with all software(OS and some apps) installed?

would you buy Vista now, or wait until after Oct 22nd to get Windows 7
...you can run Win7 "RC" Ultimate now for free (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=854938)

dr.koljan
06-22-2009, 12:11 PM
This website (http://datori.dateks.lv/) lets you assemble a computer online and receive it ready to use. I could do that myself in any case, but getting it already assembled is preferable. And no, I don't need an operating system pre-installed, as I'm using Windows 7.

If you could help me out finding the optimal configuration for my budget, that would be really awesome :)

P.S. One lat is around 2 USD

T Rush
06-22-2009, 01:04 PM
Silverstone Temjin TJ04, Black
Ls 65,88 http://www.dateks.lv/cenas/28/29798_silverstone_temjin_tj04_black.php

LG Electronics DVDRW, SATA BLACK
Ls 17,70 http://www.dateks.lv/cenas/24/33474_lg_electronics_dvdrw_sata_black.php

Western Digital 640GB SATAII 7200RPM 32MB CAVIAR BLACK
Ls 44,33 http://www.dateks.lv/cenas/23/30340_western_digital_640gb_sataii_7200rpm_32mb_ca viar_black.php

Giga Byte 720W 12V PFC/ACTIVE SUPERB 720
Ls 64,72 http://www.dateks.lv/cenas/73/33580_gigabyte_720w_12v_pfc_active_superb_720.php

Giga Byte GA-EX58-UD3R
Ls 124,88 http://www.dateks.lv/cenas/64/33276_gigabyte_ga_ex58_ud3r.php

Kingston 6GB(3X 2GB) 1600MHZ DDR3-1600 CL 9
Ls 96,24 http://www.dateks.lv/cenas/22/35600_kingston_6gb_1600mhz_ddr_kit_of_3.php

Intel Core I7-920 2.66GHz LGA1366
Ls 183,64 http://www.dateks.lv/cenas/88/31823_intel_core_i7_920_2_66ghz_4_8gtsec_8mb_lga13 66.php

Giga Byte GeForce GTX285, 1GB
Ls 223,86 http://www.dateks.lv/cenas/25/32877_gigabyte_geforce_gtx285_1gb_512bit.php

Ls 821,24 total

dr.koljan
06-22-2009, 02:24 PM
Giga Byte GeForce GTX285, 1GB
Ls 223,86 http://www.dateks.lv/cenas/25/32877_gigabyte_geforce_gtx285_1gb_512bit.php

Ls 821,24 total

Wow, that's way beyond my budget. I'd like to keep this below 800 lats. Is that uber-videocard really worth it? Besides, how did you manage to get such configuration? It seems neither of the three Core i7 computers allow it.

compywiz
06-22-2009, 02:29 PM
I'm pretty sure he just found parts on the website and posted them for you, rather than doing the build thing that you were looking for.

Baron_Fel
06-22-2009, 07:09 PM
I currently have an LCD panel 1280x1024 from Sony which is good enough for me.

Its not good enough for a build like this dude. Id really recommend spending a couple hundred a a new monitor. It would fit in with the kind of PC youre getting alot better.

T Rush
06-22-2009, 09:45 PM
Acer X243H 24" 16:9 FullHD, Black 1920x1080, 2ms, 40000:1, 300cd/m2 D-Sub DVI (http://www.acer.cz/acer/wr-resource/3057436709/upload/E0Entity3/1/X243H%20Sales%20Launch.pdf)
Ls 129,51 http://www.dateks.lv/cenas/90/33422_acer_x243h_24_16_9_fullhd_black.php

Giga Byte TRITON 180 BLACK MIDITOWER
Ls 51,93 http://www.dateks.lv/cenas/28/24660_gigabyte_triton_180_black_miditower.php

Giga Byte GA-MA790X-UD4P
Ls 71,15 http://www.dateks.lv/cenas/63/34784_gigabyte_ga_ma790x_ud4p.php

AMD PHENOM X4 945
Ls 78,34 http://www.dateks.lv/cenas/21/35041_amd_phenom_x4_945_box.php

Kingston 4GB(2 X 2GB), DDRII1066, CL5
Ls 39,89 http://www.dateks.lv/cenas/22/31680_kingston_4gb_ddrii1066_cl5_kit_of_2.php

Arctic Cooling CPU Cooler Freezer 64 Pro
Ls 15,46 http://www.dateks.lv/cenas/96/25647_arctic_cooling_cpu_cooler_freezer_64_pro_soc _am2_754_939_940_fan_9_6_4_35_9_6cm_900_2200rpm_al l_athlon_opteron_.php

LG Electronics DVDRW, SATA BLACK
Ls 17,70 http://www.dateks.lv/cenas/24/33474_lg_electronics_dvdrw_sata_black.php

Western Digital 640GB SATAII 7200RPM 32MB CAVIAR BLACK
Ls 44,33 http://www.dateks.lv/cenas/23/30340_western_digital_640gb_sataii_7200rpm_32mb_ca viar_black.php

Giga Byte 550W 12V PFC/PASSIVE SUPERB 550P
Ls 39,23 http://www.dateks.lv/cenas/73/33577_gigabyte_550w_12v_pfc_passive_superb_550p.ph p

XFX Radeon HD4890, 1GB,
Ls 134,29 http://www.dateks.lv/cenas/25/34622_xfx_radeon_hd4890_1gb_256_bit.php

Ls 645,11 total

lhwj
06-22-2009, 11:25 PM
Uh T Rush, I think OP could save a bit of money and get the 940 instead since you chose an AM2+ board and DDR2 RAM, although the AM3 955 will work with the AM2+ board. Of course another alternative would be to use an AM3 board with DDR3, and I expect that you would be able to give us an analysis of DDR2 vs DDR3 :p

Luke

smash
06-22-2009, 11:40 PM
http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?Source=MSWD&WishListNumber=10246745

My build.

You could upgrade to a better mobo or video card. With that heatsink I can get up to 3.8Ghz which is fine by me until the next 1366 chipsets come out.

masta121
06-22-2009, 11:46 PM
Yeah, silly me. Thanks for pointing it out (I was telling myself to keep an eye on that when searching for these as well :o).

CORSAIR XMS3 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 Desktop Memory Model TW3X4G1333C9A G (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145251) - $94,99



I know it is, hence why I said (right away) it's a price indication.

For i7 builds it's very important to pick a 3 stick kit of memory, this way you can take advantage of one of the i7 platform's biggest strengths, TTM, or Triple-Channel Memory.

masta121
06-22-2009, 11:48 PM
http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?Source=MSWD&WishListNumber=10246745

My build.

You could upgrade to a better mobo or video card. With that heatsink I can get up to 3.8Ghz which is fine by me until the next 1366 chipsets come out.

Good build, but don't you think he could get a slightly better/larger HDD?

Baron_Fel
06-22-2009, 11:59 PM
For i7 builds it's very important to pick a 3 stick kit of memory, this way you can take advantage of one of the i7 platform's biggest strengths, TTM, or Triple-Channel Memory.

That biggest strenght doenst help i7 all that much IIRC. But yeah still worth getting.

masta121
06-23-2009, 12:03 AM
That biggest strenght doenst help i7 all that much IIRC. But yeah still worth getting.

It shoots memory read speeds to the moon...Although I know what you mean; memory is only part of the reason as to why those chips are so good.

Karasu
06-23-2009, 02:08 AM
From 5 minutes on Newegg, just an indication:
Sony Optiarc Black 18X DVD-ROM 48X CD-ROM IDE DVD-ROM Drive Model DDU1678A - OEM (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827131061) - $18,49


At least go with a SATA drive...

T Rush
06-23-2009, 03:47 AM
From 5 minutes on Newegg, just an indication:
...
http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?Source=MSWD&WishListNumber=10246745

My build. yeah, ah, newegg links aren't going to do anything for the OP Also keep in mind that I live in a faraway country called Latvia so the pricetags might be a bit different here.where he lives, the part selection and prices(the thread titles might be misleading) are way way different
..for example in the Latvijas Republika(Latvia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latvia)) the Core I7-920 costs "Ls 183,64" or about $367(according to him), and his budget is actually "sub Ls 800(or Ls 750 if he is thinking that " $ x 2 = Ls ..so the first build I did(without a monitor) was alittle on the budget side for a Core i7 system and it was too expensive...of course it was pointed out that he doesn't need a video card that good for just his old 1280x1024 5:4 office type monitor, so i figured he didn't need a CPU+mobo+RAM that expensive either if it wasn't all needed to run a good video card...because the final(and biggest) limitation is/was the old monitor, and Ls 750 is a good chunk to be spending on a system, it really is necessary to start at the top and replace the monitor with this budget, otherwise the rest of the money gets kinda wasted if you can't display what a $1500/Ls750 computer is capable of

anyway, smash did you really buy that Kingwin Inc. PSU ? it does show that its "rated" at 624watts(52amps) for the +12v, but its also 'safety per rail' limited at only 216watts(18amps) max among three divided +12v rails...seems that we could have found something better, but if it works for that build, it works, so eh...how long ago did you do that system, as I see you also bought Vista...hopefully soon they will offer eligibility to upgrade to Windows 7 with a purchase of Vista this late(but I don't think that starts until after July) so that its OK to buy again


Uh T Rush, I think OP could save a bit of money and get the 940 instead since you chose an AM2+ board and DDR2 RAM, although the AM3 955 will work with the AM2+ board. Of course another alternative would be to use an AM3 board with DDR3, and I expect that you would be able to give us an analysis of DDR2 vs DDR3 :p

Luke...yeah, i thought of attempting an AM3/DDR3 system(alittle closer along the lines of the Core i7 system) but then I thought there needs to be some of that budget leftover I'd like to have a good soundcard and headset. I don't need anything super-high-fidelity, just being able to tell lossless music from MP3 is enough (if that's even possible). Any suggestions?(didn't he want a new phone too?..or was that someone else)...and actually I started that last list to be almost exactly the same parts I just bought to do a build with the Phenom II 6MB L3 cache 710 2.6GHz tr-core AM3 and that same motherboard with 4GB DDR2-1066 CAS 5..but the total came to around Ls 570...so I edited in a CPU change to the 3.0GHz 955 quad(figured maybe a 3.0GHz Phenom II might sound as appealing as a 2.66GHz Core i7...but save a bunch of money over an Intel system)

yeah, I'm pretty sure someone could do a better build from that site than either of the list i made...and actually I like that site, its navigation (the check boxes to narrow down the selection) work pretty good, and tho I don't read the language, you can still tell what the categories are for components

but I think we are supposed to be using the pre-built configurations anyway, but i hate those...it seems that there are options to have them assemble anything you want out of any of their parts, so I bet you could just make-up your own system if you wanted

sorry Luke, not going into DDR2 vs DDR3 today, on my last builds I opted to just stay DDR2 myself...and oddly the only system I have that I wish was using DDR3(that I feel would get the most benefit from much higher speed RAM) is my 'old' Intel FSB Q6600 system and doing some higher 'bus':RAM speed overclocking...not sure why suddenly we feel that CPUs with "Direct Connect Quick Path' memory interfaces actually now need RAM to run 'fast' :confused:

dr.koljan
06-24-2009, 04:44 AM
How much would a PC that fits my monitor cost? If it's less than Ls 650 ($1300) then I'd rather upgrade the monitor, too. Otherwise I'd like to save money for a new phone (yes T Rush, it was me :D ).

Regarding my budget, it can be stretched to about Ls 800 ($1600) if it's really worth it, but otherwise I'd rather keep this below Ls 750 ($1500).

SuperJawes2112
06-24-2009, 07:44 AM
How much would a PC that fits my monitor cost? If it's less than Ls 650 ($1300) then I'd rather upgrade the monitor, too. Otherwise I'd like to save money for a new phone (yes T Rush, it was me :D ).

Regarding my budget, it can be stretched to about Ls 800 ($1600) if it's really worth it, but otherwise I'd rather keep this below Ls 750 ($1500).You can get a 1900x1080 23" monitor for about $180 (USD) right now. If you don't need any other accessories, and you have your OS lined up, I would spend the money to get a new monitor with your new rig.

dr.koljan
06-24-2009, 10:20 AM
I just did some research and, if I understand correctly, a Core i7 system would be too good for my monitor, while buying it together with a suitable monitor is beyond my budget...is that correct? If not, any suggestions on what configuration I should go with would be much appreciated, as Core i7 sounds really good to me.

T Rush
06-24-2009, 10:48 AM
think the $1000 computer(just the 'box') is right where the 'smart money' is spent...as its over the point of where a rig of that caliber isn't going to struggle to play any games(within reason) but you aren't 'over spending' and only getting diminishing returns(slighter fps improvements per dollar) or paying extra for hardware that 'might' be needed in the future(by the time you could see the advantage of 'future proof' parts, they would have depreciated in price to the mainstream budgets, where you bought them at their highest 'new on the market' price but couldn't make good use of them while at that higher price)

so when you have a $1500 budget you have the freedom to do a $1000 computer without the worry of cutting any corners on some things that will make a big impact on your long term computing experience...oddly things like CPUs, RAM, motherboards, and even video cards cards do not stand the test of time...as those things are fantastic one day, and then the next are no longer cutting edge(in only 18 months you can buy something twice as good or that costs half as much with regarding those 'core' electronics)
...however, every single CASE, CD/DVD/BR/Hard drive, and Monitor that I've ever bought has lasted 4~5+ years or even longer, being reused with build after build...new motherboards, CPUs, sets of RAM, video cards(the core components) have replaced the old quickly dated parts in systems over and over again, while nice cases have still been nice, decent monitors have still displayed beautiful images, drives have all still done their same jobs just fine....so I feel that these things benefit the most from any extra moneys, and would be the first things that should be focused on/upgraded with any budget over $1000...as these are the parts that last the longest, can be reused, and that you will have to live with over time...tho they don't add to the performance of a system, but the other parts that do, their performance is so 'fleeting' so that in a relatively short time you are no longer impressed by it(the new 'next wave' of CPUs and video cards come out that totally overshadow any impressiveness of any old king benchmarker all to quickly) I tend to think the "wise money" for a computer would be budgeted about like this:

$300 Video Card
I've bought cards for more and it didn't take long for that card to drop below this price point or a better one to come out that was under that price within a year~18months...so I decided above this level you are getting ripped off, as while a more expensive card might/will last longer, by the time you really need any better performance level, they sell cards that do it at this price point...however for a gaming computer the video card should be the most expensive thing as it will provide far more performance than anything else(once those other things are merely above adequate)

$200 CPU
I've never seen a CPU for more than $200 that I didn't think was overkill, or that you couldn't buy a cheaper one that would overclock to the performance level/speed of those higher priced ones..this, like the video card altho not as dramatically, is one of those things that moves in price and development quickly as new better models show up on the market

$100 Motherboard
seems like its possible, at least for a desired target price ... altho many Intel boards, or if you think you need multi PCI-E slots gets this up to near $150 or higher...I've seen some very expensive motherboards out there that I've thought would be cool to have, but I'm sure they really aren't in any way necessary at all...I match the motherboard to the CPU I buy with it, and try to never separate them, so a motherboard is never a 'future investment' as a new CPU always seems to deserve a new motherboard, and i would hate to leave an old CPU homeless

$50~$100 RAM
this used to be $200 for years and years, but now DDR2 is so cheap, DDR3 might push this price back up...I love performance/tweakable/flexible RAM, so I'm more likely to spend top dollar to get it, this happens to be a great time to spend the most you can on DDR2 as it still will be cheap...the price for DDR3 is still within reach of that old $200 budget I used originally for 512mb SDRAM, 1GB DDR400, and 2GB DDR2-800(all those I bought for $200 in their day), even a 6GB(3x2GB) set of highest performance DDR3 can be had for $200 or under, so that could still be the real top budget for this item(where the low price on DDR2 has just confused us to thinking $200 is a lot)

$50~$80 Hard Drive
seems like today you can get a pretty massive drive for this price...altho I really don't see too much wrong with spending $200 for a pair($100 each) of 1TB dives to do a huge RAID 0 array or something spectacular...and hard drives tend to hang around and are reused forever

$24~$35 CD/DVD Drive
that seems to cover all the CD, DVD and even Lightscribe burning needs, and you have to be able to read a DVD disk today for sure, all for cheap...but I might move this up to $100 for a Blu-Ray ROM, but depends on the computer use(HTPC?) and where these BR drives will eventually settle to in price

$70~$100 PSU
this one gets tossed around a lot with people thinking they need 700watts or something...but I actually just bought two 450watt PSUs for only $30 each that work fantastic for basic mid-range builds...however looking for a new PSU for myself it seems like I'll need to spend in this 'just shy of $100 budget' range to get something more worthwhile..but then PSUs are a part of the computer that doesn't have to change with every new rebuild, so this is another item that you can justify spending alittle more on if you plan on using it longer

$50~$100 CASE
..like the PSU and Hard Drive(s), a case you might have to live with for years and years(I think I'm only on my second one, ever) I still stay pretty budget on them, but if you really want a 'keeper' spend alittle more(just don't get one that looks like a robot head or something toy-ish)

amazingly enough, putting that all together only hits $1000 so i don't see much point in spending any more than that
..I would rather have 3 new $1000 computers every year~18months than a $3000 computer that I would try and expect to last 3 to 4 and a half years



now the Keyboard, Mouse, and speakers/headphones are things that I've built up over the years...my earlier mice and keyboards were dirt cheap and I could go thru those often without consequences, but now I made the jump to expensive stuff, almost $200 in my KB&Mouse now....but with speakers/headphones I kinda went the other way, starting out spending a lot on those(the good speakers were too loud for PC use, and didn't sound as good as a real HiFi/Theater surround system for 'real sounds'/music...and the headphones just get trashed) so now I just use ok but cheap headphones, as basically all I need to do is hear something
..so that totally depends on the user, total of $75~$400 for those parts

Monitors, I probably shouldn't even start on this one, as this is where most everything your computer does is going to be presented to you, so this needs to the the best/better than everything else or you have a huge 'bottleneck'...personally I came out of this one at a reasonable budget, around a total of maybe $500~$600 http://i28.tinypic.com/102l2co.jpg
today you can get a nice looking WS(16:10) or 1080p(16:9) LCD for $150~$300

GB-DK
06-24-2009, 02:21 PM
T Rush is right.

In the summer of 2007 i bought a Dell ultrasharp 2407WFP 24" LCD screen.
and i still have it 2 years later. It still beats the crap out of most other screens :)

i don't think i will be replacing it anytime soon :)

dr.koljan
06-25-2009, 10:52 AM
Well, now I'm confused. Does this basically mean that it's a bad idea to spend much more for a new computer than $1000? (Which I'd have to do if I were to go Core i7, right?) In this case, I'll probably go with that Phenom configuration, then...

T Rush
06-25-2009, 12:51 PM
while a Core i7 920 now might seem a step above the current Phenom and older Core 2 CPUs, they really all still perform in the same class...as time goes on, the power of the Core i7 CPUs might remain vigorous the longest out of the options we have today ... but by then its greater expense might not be as justifiable, as we already know that us 'users' will get a much more affordable Nehalem (http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3570&p=2) soon, and that higher speed Phenom II and Core 2 Quads still do a fair job at hanging in there nearby performance wise

I guess you are just right at that breaking point with your budget, where it is possible to go all out and get the best(Core i7, tho you can't quite fully 'max' everything a system like that, needed to show the most benefit from doing it) or pull back slightly and be slightly more conservative, but still not miss out on much and get a more reasonably priced platform(Phenom II, which 1. will not have as far to fall depreciation wise, and 2. allow more of the moneys to be used elsewhere, that might give you a higher quality system 'overall')

...if you had more money to spend and the maximum monitor requirements along with needing to run the most 'mission critical' demanding apps, it would be a clear choice to go with Core i7
...or if you had a tighter budget, needed to improve other areas as well(like the monitor) and only needed acceptable great performance, then a the lower priced Phenom II platform would the recommended direction

I suppose another thing to consider would be if over time you would continue to invest in this system, like start with a great CASE, the best platform(CPU/MOBO/RAM), and a PSU with lotsa headroom, but only weaker 'good for now' video card and monitor...then later when more moneys are available, go much higher end than you could now with those remaining things(the graphics and display) to finally achieve a balanced system
...or if you just wanted to have a computer that could remain a balanced system 'as is' for its entire life

dr.koljan
10-12-2009, 11:10 AM
Sorry about bumping an ages-old thread, but I've finally received my money and the configuration I was going to use (Phenom II by T Rush) is no longer possible at the website I wanted to order from.

If anyone is willing to assemble an awesome rig at this site (http://datori.dateks.lv/) for an approximate budget of Ls 700 (~1500USD), I would be extremely grateful.

My wishlist (in order of importance):
Quiet (maybe not as much as a laptop, but at least inaudible from outside the room)
Big monitor (like 24", to watch movies :D)
Sound card (for listening to lossless music)
Gaming mouse (Logitech MX Revolution is uncomfortable)
Fancy-looking keyboard
(only if it really doesn't affect the performance) Intel processor, GeForce card (for no real reason, I just kinda like these brands better)

Cold_Turkey_14
10-12-2009, 07:27 PM
Okay, so I went and gave it a spin to see if I could push for an i5 750 + P55 build and here's what I came up with, it was cutting it pretty close though:

Ls 148,87 - Acer X243HBD 24" (http://www.dateks.lv/cenas/90/37025_acer_x243hbd_24_.php)
Ls 69,94 - Gigabyte GA-P55M-UD2 (http://www.dateks.lv/cenas/64/36826_gigabyte_ga_p55m_ud2.php)
Ls 122,43 - Intel Core i5 750 (http://www.dateks.lv/cenas/88/36933_intel_core_i5_750_2_66ghz_8mb.php)
Ls 69,14 - OCZ Obsidian, 4GB 1600MHz (http://www.dateks.lv/cenas/22/37633_ocz_obsidian_4gb_1600mhz_kit_of_2.php)
Ls 123,17 - Sapphire Radeon HD4890 1GB (http://www.dateks.lv/cenas/25/36861_sapphire_radeon_hd4890_1gb_256bit.php)
Ls 30,99 - WD 500GB 7200RPM 32MB Green (http://www.dateks.lv/cenas/23/35386_western_digital_sata_500gb_7200rpm_32mb_gree n.php)
Ls 35,99 - Gigabyte 550 Watt PSU (http://www.dateks.lv/cenas/73/33577_gigabyte_550w_12v_pfc_passive_superb_550p.ph p)
Ls 17,46 - LG DVD-RW SATA (http://www.dateks.lv/cenas/24/37539_lg_electronics_dvd_rw_sata_black.php)
Ls 45,25 - Antec Three Hundred (http://www.dateks.lv/cenas/28/28496_antec_three_hundred.php)
Ls 29,84 - Logitech MX518 (http://www.dateks.lv/cenas/16/27400_logitech_mx518_gaming_grade_optical_mouse_us b_ps2.php)
Ls 19,11 - Logitech ULTRAX Premium Keyboard (http://www.dateks.lv/cenas/15/37148_logitech_ultrax_premium_keyboard.php)

Total = Ls 712,19 :eek:

Sassycat3172
10-12-2009, 07:38 PM
Of course you may as well wait for the i9's. But if you decide that you cannot wait then get i7 920.

the 920 can be overclocked to achieve the exact same performance as any of the other i7's. for example. OC the 920 to the 975EE stock specs and you have the exact same performance as the 975EE.

the 960 and 975's are just a higher binned chipped. the only difference in the i7's is the clock speed they are shipped at and the 960 and 975 have an unlocked multiplier which makes it a little easier to OC.

if yo buy a 975EE for $1000+ you are just paying Intel to OC the chip for you. Overclocking the i7's/i5's are the easiest CPU in history to overclock.

I have a friend that gave his 13 year old son an i7 setup and the kid is able to overclock it.

here's an ideal system.

i7 920
x58 mobo
6gigs of ram.
any SSD
wait for the gtx300's or get a gtx 295. (I'm betting the GTX300's will blow the ATI 5800's out of the water)
any suitable PSU. if you go SLI make sure the 12v rail is suitable.
24" or bigger monitor.

you can get all this for about $1500

Cold_Turkey_14
10-12-2009, 08:06 PM
you can get all this for about $1500

Too bad that's all in American dollars and not in Lats, lol. :D

l4dr0cks123
10-12-2009, 08:16 PM
People this CPU (i7 920) can run a 5870 without bottleneck. Just get a good board and heatsink, OC to 3.5+ and get a nice 5870 in. Perhaps throw in a SSD and a 1080p monitor and you're set for a good 2-3 years (you can always OC to 4+ stable, get another 6 GB and add another 5870 down the road).

dr.koljan
10-13-2009, 07:40 AM
Sorry about all the misunderstandings, I probably should have created a new thread rather than bumping an old one o_0 I'll update the first post to prevent any further confusion.

The thread title is probably misleading, I'm not looking for an approximate configuration for $1500, I'm looking for a possible good build which can be made at a specific website where you can choose each part from a short list. I'm asking for help because I'm completely lost among all these parts with different brands and pricetags. I could have made some research myself but I thought that maybe someone here already knows stuff and can spare a few minutes to take a look at the online store I linked to.

As for the build provided by Cold_Turkey_14, it looks nice but is, unfortunately, beyond my budget. Of course I could replace some of the parts with cheaper ones, but then again I have no idea which of them I can save on without sacrificing much performance.

lhwj
10-13-2009, 09:54 AM
Intel i5 system: http://datori.dateks.lv/datori+core+i5%2B/dators+core+i5

Make the following upgrades:

1. Change graphics card to GTX275.

2. Change hard drive to 1 TB.

3. Change power supply to Antec 650w NeoPower Blue

Then order this monitor: http://www.dateks.lv/cenas/90/33389_acer_h223hq_21_5_full_hd.php

Total should be Ls 699.49.

dr.koljan
10-17-2009, 05:02 AM
Thank you very much for this recommendation but unfortunately I'm not looking for a monster gaming PC (I'd love to play L4D2 at high settings, though :D) but more of a media rig that's good for listening to music and watching movies. In any case, a keyboard is essential since I'm going to give away my old computer (I already have an old mouse), and I can't buy it with such a tight budget. Maybe I could use a cheaper graphics card?

lhwj
10-17-2009, 05:36 AM
Okay then.

Keep the stock 4850 and the power supply. It's still good for Source games at 1920p. You can buy a new card and power supply in future.

A good keyboard need not be expensive. This is mine (http://www.gimene.lv/products/lv/1050/92401/sort/1/filter/0_0_0_0/MICROSOFT-MS-WIRED-KEYBOARD-600-USB-WHITE-EN/-INTER-Klaviatūra.html) and I'm very happy with it.

dr.koljan
10-31-2009, 07:39 AM
I'm about to order this build (http://www.dateks.lv/grozs?content=RZLNTsMwEITfxeccbO%2BP7bwKQgiJCkWlak Vzgajvzs6kEbfPs%2BPdWSdb%2Bvy%2B%2Ft7TvKUyfAzA%2Ff y%2BrCGVx2NK5%2Bvl9vX2NL1saVlPF9qHWppNvU2BA9hroGlg yFA71QwVXitAoaoKQwM2oBXgKFCJRnSO6DDgmokFOgxmmKZCA% 2Fpq5TVmGPQyQ6YKgyOZFxg8M6QgDqMrtjB6O0YYmllmdCFqvM X6cztxd6wd76PxBlPC4mkW7zUGYnUchggr0bJGYaBS4iBNS0dF I83oQ8EtuHrTjMOI7QrADvCOeyZsIrarhoiikncL5lT3yov1aR E%2FWuUdYnu0atWYVJ5lfAdCP5pnRs27Lyv%2BhSktH2nWKP%2 F%2FH6%2BPPw%3D%3D).

Could you tell me whether it has any serious flaws?

Also, how noisy is it going to be?

lhwj
10-31-2009, 01:15 PM
It's a nice, solid build; the only thing is that the graphics could be a bit better but it's fine for Source games.

How noisy? That is very subjective. You can always swap fans if they are loud.

Baron_Fel
10-31-2009, 01:17 PM
It shouldnt be noisy, case fans are usually slow and quiet and the GPU fan will only work as hard as it needs to. You can turn it down if its too loud.