IL-2 is an OK game? well it's garbage software

[Omnirizon]

I'd recommend not buying IL-2 Sturmovik 1946.

The game seems alright, but the software implementation is complete garbage. The game went through a rather quick process of degradation on system, as the OpenGL stopped working correctly, then input drivers under DirectX, the DX itself. In a last ditch effort to attempt to correct the problem, I deleted the config files (doing this is a generally used method of nuking a botched setup to reinstate the default, as any software worth its salt should generate new setup files when it can't find them), but all this did was completely kill the game. I didn't even modify anything in setup except for that which was recommended in the make_il2_pretty_guide (http://www.gog.com/en/forum/il_2_sturmovik_1946/make_il2_pretty_guide). So I don't know what I expected to fix by doing that anyway, but like I said: 'last ditch'. Lastly, this problem is compounded by this being a steam game, since any repair requires a new download. Not that a game should ever have to be repaired like that, but if you were going to then you'll just have to wait for about 3 hours for it to be downloaded and reinstalled via steam.

The fact that the 'make pretty' guide needs to exist anyway is testament to the poor implementation of this game. Users buy games to relax, not be forced to edit .ini files and deal with an array of bugs related to hardware and driver incompatibility. These kinds of problems are reminiscent of PC games from the 1990's, and a modern game should never deal with anything like this and most do not.

Additionally, the fact that I can google "il-2 sturmovik input device not working" or "il-2 sturmovik OpenGL not working" and find a series of mysterious bugs (and I'm not talking about issues with OpenGL and ATI's Catalyst AI, which is just stupid too) that are just like mine, that seem to crop up on a variety of different hardware and software setups, and that no one really seems to have an answer to, is just idiocy.

Again, this is a good game.
However, the software implementation has all the symptoms of being complete and utter garbage. STAY AWAY!!!!

[palker4]

That game came out in 2001 you moron it went through the process of constant improvements and if you really want you can make it work maybe not in perfect mode but you still should be able to run it and ranting on steam forums is not going to help you

[NoAkai]

I've never had these problems with the game, and I've owned it since release, installing and re-installing it on several computers... Strange.

Anyhow, I'd still recommend it, it's a VERY good flight sim, one of the best on the market,

[pigsooie]

I'd recommend not buying IL-2 Sturmovik 1946.

The game seems alright, but the software implementation is complete garbage. The game went through a rather quick process of degradation on system, as the OpenGL stopped working correctly, then input drivers under DirectX, the DX itself. In a last ditch effort to attempt to correct the problem, I deleted the config files (doing this is a generally used method of nuking a botched setup to reinstate the default, as any software worth its salt should generate new setup files when it can't find them), but all this did was completely kill the game. I didn't even modify anything in setup except for that which was recommended in the make_il2_pretty_guide (http://www.gog.com/en/forum/il_2_sturmovik_1946/make_il2_pretty_guide). So I don't know what I expected to fix by doing that anyway, but like I said: 'last ditch'. Lastly, this problem is compounded by this being a steam game, since any repair requires a new download. Not that a game should ever have to be repaired like that, but if you were going to then you'll just have to wait for about 3 hours for it to be downloaded and reinstalled via steam.

The fact that the 'make pretty' guide needs to exist anyway is testament to the poor implementation of this game. Users buy games to relax, not be forced to edit .ini files and deal with an array of bugs related to hardware and driver incompatibility. These kinds of problems are reminiscent of PC games from the 1990's, and a modern game should never deal with anything like this and most do not.

Additionally, the fact that I can google "il-2 sturmovik input device not working" or "il-2 sturmovik OpenGL not working" and find a series of mysterious bugs (and I'm not talking about issues with OpenGL and ATI's Catalyst AI, which is just stupid too) that are just like mine, that seem to crop up on a variety of different hardware and software setups, and that no one really seems to have an answer to, is just idiocy.

Again, this is a good game.
However, the software implementation has all the symptoms of being complete and utter garbage. STAY AWAY!!!!

Well that's Strange because I have never even had not One Crash while Playing this game on Multiple PC's because as the Guy said the Game was released in 2001.Maybe You might want to look at Your ♥♥♥♥TY PC?

[Joseph Merrick]

That game came out in 2001 you moron it went through the process of constant improvements and if you really want you can make it work maybe not in perfect mode but you still should be able to run it and ranting on steam forums is not going to help you

Not only was it released in 2001, but it still is the best looking WWII combat flight sim to date, easily beating even later games. And that's before you tweak conf.ini.

[Jeffsworld]

This makes me mad, especially since this is by far the most followed ww2 Simulation out there today, and Imo it still runs and looks great, and if you add mods its even better.

[Deathless2288]

i disagree with the OP, il-2 is actually a really good game. i dont play it every day, but when i do play it i have a lot of fun even though the graphics are not the best

[Major Isoor]

I agree with the two people above me; the IL2 Sturmovik games were fantastically made - YEARS ago - and looks very stunning for it's age. I hardly think you can whinge on here about a non-Ubisoft guide for making it look nicer. It's not the company's fault it won't work for you, and it's not the game's fault, either. I say man up and quit complaining, IL2 is a perfectly fine game, and if you aren't going to play it because you're not satisfied with it's quality, good - it'll just mean that we won't have to put up with you ingame as well as here.

[Crosstalker]

I'd recommend not buying IL-2 Sturmovik 1946.



Let me sum up why you are totally wrong.

This game came out almost ten years ago. Various developer and community patches and mods have kept this game up-to-date, and its engine is so damned good that this game STILL looks and plays better than ANY other flight simulator ever made.

You suggest that the game code is awful, etc., but in truth this game is more modifiable and replayable than any game that Steam has ever been willing to sell.

I can run this game in full 1080p on a 52" screen with my game settings adjusted for what's called "Perfect Mode." This game looks better and plays smoother than any other flight sim released in the last decade. Its graphics are even vastly superior to games like "Rise of Flight" that came out mere weeks ago.

[mouse_art]

I agree with anything else but not with that one.

Its graphics are even vastly superior to games like "Rise of Flight" that came out mere weeks ago.

[Joseph Merrick]

Let me sum up why you are totally wrong.

This game came out almost ten years ago. Various developer and community patches and mods have kept this game up-to-date, and its engine is so damned good that this game STILL looks and plays better than ANY other flight simulator ever made.

You suggest that the game code is awful, etc., but in truth this game is more modifiable and replayable than any game that Steam has ever been willing to sell.

I can run this game in full 1080p on a 52" screen with my game settings adjusted for what's called "Perfect Mode." This game looks better and plays smoother than any other flight sim released in the last decade. Its graphics are even vastly superior to games like "Rise of Flight" that came out mere weeks ago.

I too did this when my monitor died last year, I had a brand new 48" TV and pulled it up closer to the couch a little and played IL2 on it. Good lord, a game could not feel more realistic. Nothing like flying upside-down and looking out over the land on a 48" screen to give you air sickness!

Well that's Strange because I have never even had not One Crash while Playing this game on Multiple PC's because as the Guy said the Game was released in 2001.Maybe You might want to look at Your ♥♥♥♥TY PC?

Totally agree. I have had one crash in this game, and the reason for it was because I accidentally had typed something in wrong on the .ini file. Go figure.

[Major Isoor]

Oh, also, is there any way to fix or go around the issue where the mouse pointer won't respond in IL2 if you minimize it, then restore it? Since that gets annoying, and sometimes an InstallShield wizard, etc. pops up and minimizes the game, so I need to kill IL2's process :mad:

[leobasil]

I purchased it, installed it and it ran out of the box...

[Joseph Merrick]

I purchased it, installed it and it ran out of the box...

Well that's 'cause it was never in a box :)

[Fozzy the bear]

Well that's 'cause it was never in a box :)

I think he is metaphorically speaking.

[Major Isoor]

Well that's 'cause it was never in a box :)

I dunno, I'm pretty sure a friend of mine has an IL2 Sturmovik box from way back when it originally came out here in Australia, so it's plausible, I'd say! :p

[Joseph Merrick]

I dunno, I'm pretty sure a friend of mine has an IL2 Sturmovik box from way back when it originally came out here in Australia, so it's plausible, I'd say! :p

I remember those actually. I can remember seeing a copy in 7-11, of all places.

[Skies2010]

Stop whining! This is an old game, made by developers not in the US or Japan, but in Russia, with different priorities and a different philosophy. people complain about not enough variety in games but then proceed to tank anything made in europe for the slightest reasons.

Or do you want every game that runs under windows to install/setup the exact same way. look you were given a brain, use it, figure out the solution instead of whining like a spoiled brat.

This game will run on ANYTHING.<<<<<<<<<<<<<< :eek:
If you have Opel GL problems it just needs a little tweaking, and it's not the game's fault. Or was it supposed to foresee changes 9 years into the future??

Many people have solved their graphics problems just by changing landscape from 'perfect' to the 2nd highest setting (very good i believe) in-game (not in stab). There aren't that many options, and the conclusions some of you l33t h@x0rs make are mind numbing.

Let me get this straight, it worked for nearly 9 nears straight, but just before the holidays nvidia & ati release driver packs, (which you have to download even though you had no problems before) and when the game doesn't work its the drivers fault, but the game isn't so important that you're willing to revert back to the old ones.

PEOPLE. :confused:????
#1 the world doesn't revolve around you. the chances that it worked for thousands of days but suddenly became incompatible RIGHT BEFORE you bought it, is a slim chance to say it lightly

#2 what are drivers for other than performance.. you know, for GAMES. If you aren't playing games, what are you doing with those drivers, humping them?

:o !

[Redboy]

I'm not hardcore flight but I like IL-2 Sturmovik for relax and joy ride. Absolute beautiful plane 3D Models. My favourite was landing on the carrier etc It always challenge for me...It make me happy because it gave me experince what those WWII planes like etc

Never problem with this game...9/10 for me

[Starfire13]

Absolute beautiful plane 3D Models.

Totally agree. IL2 looks really good considering its age, and looks even better if you decide to mod it (I recommend Ultr@pack 2.0. Google it).

Was browsing through my screenshots earlier today and decided to play around with one of em in Photoshop and made this:
http://starfire-013.deviantart.com/art/Par-Avion-150706396

I really don't think that looks any worse than the 3D models in, say, Wings of Prey.

[Fozzy the bear]

Totally agree. IL2 looks really good considering its age, and looks even better if you decide to mod it (I recommend Ultr@pack 2.0. Google it).

Was browsing through my screenshots earlier today and decided to play around with one of em in Photoshop and made this:
http://starfire-013.deviantart.com/art/Par-Avion-150706396

I really don't think that looks any worse than the 3D models in, say, Wings of Prey.

Oh, damn. This is with 4.09m?

[Starfire13]

Oh, damn. This is with 4.09m?

Yes. 4.09m and the Ultr@pack 2.0 mod.

[T-1001]

Totally agree. IL2 looks really good considering its age, and looks even better if you decide to mod it (I recommend Ultr@pack 2.0. Google it).

Was browsing through my screenshots earlier today and decided to play around with one of em in Photoshop and made this:
http://starfire-013.deviantart.com/art/Par-Avion-150706396

I really don't think that looks any worse than the 3D models in, say, Wings of Prey.
Can't seem to find a download link for ultra pack 2.0 any more.

[Starfire13]

Can't seem to find a download link for ultra pack 2.0 any more.

http://ultrapack.il2war.com/index.php?board=7.0

It is the 2nd link in google if you type in "ultr@pack 2.0". ;)

[sweatie6920]

Going on a furoms ranting about a game, will only give you bad feedback, mainly because theres alot of fans on the furoms of the game.
(feel free to test it on hinterland furoms, and that games sucks.)

Also I use xp, the best system of all..

[Fozzy the bear]

Going on a furoms ranting about a game, will only give you bad feedback, mainly because theres alot of fans on the furoms of the game.
(feel free to test it on hinterland furoms, and that games sucks.)

Also I use xp, the best system of all..

Wait, what?

[Starfire13]

Going on a furoms ranting about a game, will only give you bad feedback, mainly because theres alot of fans on the furoms of the game.
(feel free to test it on hinterland furoms, and that games sucks.)

Also I use xp, the best system of all..

Obvious troll is obvious.

[bigsilverhotdog]

I find this thread amusing.

[Wolvie007]

Not only was it released in 2001, but it still is the best looking WWII combat flight sim to date, easily beating even later games. And that's before you tweak conf.ini.

Hes talking about 1946... which was actually released in 2007..

[USMC Vet]

wants i red this i no buying game

[Matrix1O1]

wants i red this i no buying game

which gives translated in legible English??? :confused:

[Major Isoor]

Heh yeah, since for a supposed USMC veteran, he seems kind of illiterate..

Regardless, what exactly put you off IL2 so much, Vet?

[Fozzy the bear]

Funny how OP never responded.

[Yurgon]

I will not read this thread. I already know what's gonna be written. And even if I was stupid enough to take a glance, I'm so not gonna post a reply. Complete waste of time. I will not. I will... argh, dammit!

I'd recommend not buying IL-2 Sturmovik 1946.

I would recommend buying Il-2 Sturmovik 1946 without hesitation.

The game seems alright, but the software implementation is complete garbage. The game went through a rather quick process of degradation on system, as the OpenGL stopped working correctly, then input drivers under DirectX, the DX itself.

Hold on, let me get this right. You mean it went through a process of degradation on *your* system? Like, it used to run fine and then it didn't?

Now, if I get that right, then what makes you think it's the game's fault? Software does indeed do all kinds of weird stuff all the time. But in very rare cases does it self-destruct like you describe. Could it be you changed something like, say, OpenGL and DirectX? Maybe a little update here and some tampering there?

In a last ditch effort to attempt to correct the problem, I deleted the config files (doing this is a generally used method of nuking a botched setup to reinstate the default, as any software worth its salt should generate new setup files when it can't find them), but all this did was completely kill the game.

You did *what*? Delete the config file in order to make the application work? While I agree that some applications will gladly recreate a default config when they can't find the file, I would not expect any application to do so. Failure to meet (your) expectation is not necessarily a software fault.

I didn't even modify anything in setup except for that which was recommended in the make_il2_pretty_guide (http://www.gog.com/en/forum/il_2_sturmovik_1946/make_il2_pretty_guide). So I don't know what I expected to fix by doing that anyway, but like I said: 'last ditch'.

You took off with a configuration that differed from the default provided by the programmer and blame the programmer for problems with the application. Last I checked, pretty much every single support hint for problems like the ones described goes like "Disable any tweaks, plugins, addons, third party extensions and the like and check if the problem persists with a naked default installation".

This does not necessarily solve the problem, but it's sound advice to check whether the problem lies within the software itself.

Lastly, this problem is compounded by this being a steam game, since any repair requires a new download. Not that a game should ever have to be repaired like that, but if you were going to then you'll just have to wait for about 3 hours for it to be downloaded and reinstalled via steam.

You don't seriously complain about the idea that re-installation of a game acquired through a download platform requires a... download? You don't, do you? Please tell me you don't.

The fact that the 'make pretty' guide needs to exist anyway is testament to the poor implementation of this game. Users buy games to relax, not be forced to edit .ini files and deal with an array of bugs related to hardware and driver incompatibility. These kinds of problems are reminiscent of PC games from the 1990's, and a modern game should never deal with anything like this and most do not.

I totally agree that problems like the ones described should not occur. Never. Not ever.

But hey, welcome to reality!

Now, given the complexity of modern operating systems, PC hardware and application software, it is pretty much impossible to avoid problems, this being extremely amplified by the myriad of possible hard- and software combinations in the world of Windows and PCs. In my opinion and experience, this has in no way changed since the nineties.

You state that the mere existence of a tweaking-guide proves the low software quality. I couldn't disagree more. The ability to tweak and modify a program's look, feel and behavior enables me to suit it to my personal needs and to the limitations (and possibilities!) of the hardware I have available.

I think with flight simulations in general and especially with combat flight simulations it is important to be able to tweak the software because the already existing myriad of hard- and software combinations is amplified by all the different kinds of controllers, ranging from simple mouse+keyboard over console-type controllers to full HOTAS with 6+ axes and dozens of buttons. While it might be possible to access all the configuration options in a GUI, I don't really see a problem in editing .ini files, because if you learn it for one sim (or application), it already helps you for the next one, whereas the ability to navigate one program's GUI may or may not help navigate another program's GUI.

Additionally, the fact that I can google "il-2 sturmovik input device not working" or "il-2 sturmovik OpenGL not working" and find a series of mysterious bugs (and I'm not talking about issues with OpenGL and ATI's Catalyst AI, which is just stupid too) that are just like mine, that seem to crop up on a variety of different hardware and software setups, and that no one really seems to have an answer to, is just idiocy.

Just for the fun of it, let's perform the search and also replace "il-2 sturmovik" with some more or less random term and google it on google.com (no quotation marks included in searches).

"il-2 sturmovik input device not working" ~ 2.380 results
"il-2 sturmovik OpenGL not working" ~ 4.030 results

"hawx input device not working" ~ 8.410 results
"hawx OpenGL not working" ~ 253.000 results

"bad company 2 input device not working" ~ 247.000 results
"bad company 2 OpenGL not working" ~ 90.600

"foobar input device not working" ~ 21.300 results
"foobar OpenGL not working" ~ 264.000 results

Again, this is a good game.
However, the software implementation has all the symptoms of being complete and utter garbage. STAY AWAY!!!!

Again, I couldn't disagree more. Il-2 Sturmovik 1946 has been running very smoothly on my machine except for a problem (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?p=16927481) I encountered a short while ago. I did not suffer from any of the problems described by the OP. In my opinion, Il-2 is a masterpiece in simulation software and I would recommend it to anyone interested in flight sims, both from the sim-pilot's point of view and from the application-user's point of view.

Go get it!

[galagamo]

Patience, not only a virtue, but also a prerequisite for any study SIM.
You, {OP} obviously have none, give up, go play HAWX or something. Hey! I know, how about a nice game of Purple place. I think that's more your cup of tea.:rolleyes:

[Polykleitos]

IL2 is pretty much the greatest flight sim ever.

I remember years ago when I was deciding if I wanted to buy this I read an interview with a real live spitfire vet they had come in and play the game. He said something to the effect that the game was so realistic that it was like being back in the cockpit again.

Since buying I've never had a single issue with it, besides being shot down a lot and chronic engine overheating during dogfights.

[DPW]

Guys, I'm going to stick my neck out here and say OP has a point. I absolutely love Rise of Flight and had heard that IL-2 was a WW2 version of same.

Maybe I'm just computer illiterate, but this was my user experience. I had a link to a manual that didn't explain a darned thing and seemed focused on the Pacific Theatre (I thought I was getting an Eastern front game). The graphics were horrible, I couldn't figure out how to integrate my TrackIR, and I had to sit through long expostitory sections before I could get to the flying. There seemed to be no provision for Multiplayer, although I know there is an active community.

Overall impression? Obviously, based on YouTube videos, OTHER people are having a great time with this game. But I'm not one of them. I suspect that this is essentially freeware with an active community that has a kajillion mods/patches to turn it into a fun sim game. To be honest, though, I'd rather spend $50 for a complete game than have to spend weeks trying to figure out how to mod a game I have into something I'd want to play.

Flame on, but that was my experience after buying IL-2 on Steam.

[galagamo]

See my post above it applies to you aswell.
IL2 is more of a sim than a game so don't expect instant gratification.
And ROF sucks HARD

[DPW]

Gosh, Gal, I was hoping for a "here's a link to where you can find out where community patches are". Just so you know, I've got about 8000 odd hours in various real planes, military and civilian, prop and jet. So, guess what, I can fly a sim (shoot straight? That's another issue). Flown some that cost a few million, in fact. So take your "instant gratification" slam and shove it up your keister.

And if you think ROF sucks, I suspect you don't have a clue about what airplanes fly like. It's pretty much the only PC simulator I've found that comes close to feeling like the real thing. I'm looking for a WW2 version of same. I understand that with enough community mods, IL-2 approaches that. But again, while that's all well and good, it would be better if the actual game were like that.

[galagamo]

So take your "instant gratification" slam and shove it up your keister.
I tried it won't fit:p

And if you think ROF sucks, I suspect you don't have a clue about what airplanes fly like. It's pretty much the only PC simulator I've found that comes close to feeling like the real thing.
Well you must not have played many flight sim's then. When it comes to actual flight modeling nothing beats Xplane, using the blade element theory.
And ROF sucks, due to there business practices, the game is way overpriced, and you need a constant internet connection just to play. It BLOWS hard:eek: Try "Over Flanders Field" it's a better WW1 sim in all respects.
I'm looking for a WW2 version of same. I understand that with enough community mods, IL-2 approaches that. But again, while that's all well and good, it would be better if the actual game were like that.
Well the actual game is old, Battle of Britain IL2's successor is under development wait for that mm'K?
Ohh yea here's your link http://allaircraftsimulations.com/forum/ Choke on it.:o JK:)

[DPW]

Ohh yea here's your link http://allaircraftsimulations.com/forum/ Choke on it.:o

Could have just posted that in the first place. Yeah, internet forums are typically argumentitive, but no reason to be a wanker.

Can't remember if I've played your Xplane or not. Googling it, it looks like I could pretend to fly a Citation. Jeez, be still, my heart.

[galagamo]

Could have just posted that in the first place.
Yea, and I could, and should have just told you to F/O.
You can google Xplane, but you can't google IL2 MODS?
C'mon man Show some gratitude or STFU.

[DPW]

Taking a look at the All Aircraft Simulations link, it reaffirms my impressions. Thread after thread about various-- and unrelated -- mods various people have made. Hey, power to them, but I'm not a modder. I just want a "download these plugins from a non virus infested source and the game will become a decent PC sim." I know this isn't intuitively obvious to a computer hobbyist, but I no more want to spend hours tracking down mods and figuring out which are the "must have" patches then grandma back in row 12 wants to hear about fuel conservation profiles.

Like I said, just looking for a game I can, you know, buy and run. Rise of Flight has that, hell Wings of Prey has that (although it ain't very realistic). IL-2? Not so much.

[galagamo]

IL2 is perfectly playable without mods, though I wouldn't touch it. I know it seems a bit complicated, but its not
Read this it can't be put in any simpler terms
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1358851If this is too complicated for you then maybe You should just stick with ROF neoq will spoon feed you the ROF mods for the right price that is:rolleyes:
Most hardcore IL2 players have been playing it since it came out, it has a huge following, and is now, and forever a classic.
If you want to see why so many people love it, you'll have to take off the bib and put the time in.
By the way AllAircraftSimulations is very well organized, and virus free.
Do you work for neoq, or just another fanboi?
At any rate it's obvious to anyone who might read your post that you are no longer seeking advice, you are 'a' Trollin.
I don't think anyone's moderating these forums so keep it up I guess, doing a good job.

[leroybrown]

Galagamo you apparently haven't been keeping up with ROF. They did away with the constant internet connection months ago. The single player campaign is being completely redone and will come out next month. On release the game was definitely missing a lot but with the latest patch it's one of the best sims ever released. Well, imo.

People seem to forget how long it took IL2 to be a really good game. RoF keeps getting better and better. Well worth the price.

It is possible to like and play both RoF and IL2, I do.

[galagamo]

Galagamo you apparently haven't been keeping up with ROF. They did away with the constant internet connection months ago.

No I haven't been keeping up I got it last year tried it out and was absolutely horrified that I needed a constant internet connection for SP so I removed it in disgust. Hmm.. guess I should start reading those neoq Emails I've been getting.
I'll give it another go

[leroybrown]

There's a really great quick mission builder now too.

[ftldave]

Can't remember if I've played your Xplane or not. Googling it, it looks like I could pretend to fly a Citation. Jeez, be still, my heart.

Why the sarcasm? There are hundreds and hundreds of free X-Plane aircraft and lots of quality payware models, too. There's no real combat, but time and time again real pilots have made positive comments about its realism. Don't knock it for showing a Citation on whatever you saw. There's much more to X-Plane if you really are interested in good flight simulators.

[DPW]

Ah, you're right, each to their own tastes. Me, I like flying aerobatics, gliders, experimentals, antiques and other "stick and rudder" planes. But I occasionally fly with dewy eyed first officers who seem to get actually excited about programming the FMS. Still, I have difficulty imagining flying an IFR flight plan to take the boss golfing as being as exciting as (for example) mixing it up with a couple of 109s over London. Oddly enough, I'd prefer to do the former in real life :D

Yeah, RoF is pretty much the schnizzit for guys like me who care about the actual product rather than some internet chest beating about not having it "spoonfed" to you. Yeah, if I want to buy something that works, that makes me a lesser, and no doubt unintelligent consumer.

That said, RoF is still the only flight sim I've played that has that sort of je ne sais quoi feeling of actually flying a plane. There's a few things that aren't right (adverse yaw should be more in birds like that without differential/frise ailerons, for example), but its misses are made apparent by the fact that it hits so often.

Maybe there will be a RoF equivalent for WW2 someday (Storm of War looks promising). But in the meantime, there isn't. Whether putting up with all the installation issues, lack of manual, and touchy fanbois is worth it to you or not will have to be your own call. For me, I've spent about five hours now trying to get the damned game to actually work decently, and frankly, I'm over it. But I freely admit to having a fairly low level of "geek-fu".

[palker4]

I never ever had any kind of problem with il2 instalation or mods istalation or tweaking or whatever and i nstalled that game several times used plenty of mods and if something goes wrong it is usually your falt that you screwed up something

[galagamo]

some internet chest beating about not having it "spoonfed" to you.


Internet chest beating? Hardly, no it's just a fact, I realize some individuals prefer it this way, and that's OK.
One more thing though, Why come to a stale IL2 Sturmovik forum to tout ROF? BOB is well under way then it will be "Rise of what?"
And I still prefer IL2 over ROF:p wait does ROF have any community mods? Can it even be modded by anyone other than neoq?
They prolly got it locked, don't want some industrious individuals undercutting the bottom line with something they could charge for.:eek:

[CDN_Merlin]

I've had every verison of IL2 Sturmovik and played them all. I bought my copy of 1946 at Walmart of all places and it works flawlessly on my P4 3ghz. So there is abviously an issue with your PC.

[DPW]

Heh, poked in here to see if there was any supplemental information about patching Il-2 for the Steam version. Call me stubborn, but I haven't given up hope.

No, I'm not running a laptop with a Chipset or some such. I do 3D design on the side, and the computer was primarily designed for that. Anyway, it runs the off the shelf Il-2 just fine. The main trouble was in finding/getting the downloads for patches to work-- when the ones I found were even still valid links. Like I said, I spent a few hours tracking over teh internets, then pretty much gave up. There's a point where my time means more to me than the irritation of losing $9.95

Amazing how I can get accused of "trolling" by simply agreeing with the OP. He made a valid point-- Il-2 may be the "go-to" game for WW2 fight sims right now, but don't expect to just be able to buy it and play it, not in the sense of having access to the multiplayer games, multitudes of scenarios and modern graphics (I stand corrected on TrackIR-- I was able to get that to run on Il-2 without patching)

On the other hand, as purchased, Il-2 is a perfectly okay late 90s flight sim. Call it on par with Aces of the Pacific. So, for someone looking for something along those line, it's a good buy.

I know, I know, that's a nuanced kind of recommendation, but I think it's important for people to know what they're purchasing. The hurdles you have to jump with Il-2 have nothing to do with learning to fly planes and everything to do with the wacky world of game modding. If that's your thing, okay.

And yeah, RoF has community mods. But I wasn't plugging RoF, just whining about the fact that there is no WW2 sim out there on par with it. The one thing I'll agree with our gracious friend Gally about is the fact that Storm of War is VERY promising, and looks to be the next generation of WW2 flight sims. Who knows, perhaps within a year we'll get a chance to spray virtual cannon fire at each other. I promise to leave my bib off ;)

[galagamo]

just whining about the fact that there is no WW2 sim out there on par with it.
Google "Over Flanders field between heaven and hell". It's a complete revamp mod of CFS3, and as far as WWI air sims go, it's as fine as they come, and could easily rival ROF.
Of course there are a few more hoops. But hey, if being able to follow concise instructions isn't your thing, stick with the plug 'n' play, I'm sure you can afford it.
Youtube linkhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Z07a3rQqCE&feature=related
Check it out

[kllr101]

The engine / software is from 2001, So bugs with things like OpenGL are bound to exist 9 years later. Storm of War : Battle of Britian is being developed by 1C ♥♥♥♥♥♥, now, with updated engines and up to date software.

Looking forward to that.

p.s. Buy a NVIDIA card, seriously, I'm running on a Pentium4 and NVIDIA GeForce GTS250, not the best setup. But next to no problems running games past low FPS in newer games.

[Stollen]

IL2 is perfectly playable without mods, though I wouldn't touch it. I know it seems a bit complicated, but its not
Read this it can't be put in any simpler terms
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1358851If this is too complicated for you then maybe You should just stick with ROF neoq will spoon feed you the ROF mods for the right price that is:rolleyes:
Most hardcore IL2 players have been playing it since it came out, it has a huge following, and is now, and forever a classic.
If you want to see why so many people love it, you'll have to take off the bib and put the time in.
By the way AllAircraftSimulations is very well organized, and virus free.
Do you work for neoq, or just another fanboi?
At any rate it's obvious to anyone who might read your post that you are no longer seeking advice, you are 'a' Trollin.
I don't think anyone's moderating these forums so keep it up I guess, doing a good job.

I suppose one could look at this post that you linked, that is made for playing WITH KEYBOARD.
But the game is actually a sim, right? In what flightsim do you use a friggin keyboard as a main controller input?

Me, I did like this.

1) Bought & installed it

2) Launched the game, changed the graphics, started a flight, my joystick (Logitech 2.4 Freedom) worked perfectly immediatly.

3) Closed the game, opened the config file, changed resolution to 1920 x 1080 and disabled the SaveAspect to keep the game from reverting my resolution (the game still looks pretty good in any other resolution).

4) Launched the game.

DONE

Then you can MOD the hell out of it if u wish. But there is really no need.
For those who seek yet better looks without using MODS and have Nvidia drivers, try this:

Right-click on desktop.
Choose Nvidia control panel
At the 3D Settings (top left, 2nd from top), click "Manage 3D settings"
Go into the "Program Settings" and press "Add"
Locate your IL2fb.exe (Steam/steamapps/common/IL-2 Sturmovik 1946/) and click "open"

Now set
"Anisotropic filtering" = at the value you prefer (I use 16x)
"Antialiasing - Mode" = override any application setting
"Antialiasing - Setting" = The value you prefer (I use 8x)
"Texture filtering - Anisotropic sample optimization" = ON

You can probaly tinker even more in here. But these few changes made the sim look incredibly clean and flawless.

*Sidenote
A big plus for me who likes painting and stuff is also that you can use Photoshop (or even Paint if u have the patience) and modify your own skins.
Been making my gf a bit angry with me a couple of nights now since I go to bed in the morning when she wakes up, because I've been making skins..:cool:
*

Seriously tho, the only thing that I can say has annoyed me a tad is the lack of a proper tutorial. The ones provided ingame are not that good.
But google fixes that in the blink of an eye. So it's really no biggie.

And Yurgon, that reply of your's... fantastic! Made my day. I only wish more ppl would have the same constructive way of using a forum.

If anyone ever thinks about getting this game and reads this post, DO get it. It's well worth your £9.99. Just remember that this is a sim. Not an arcade game. This sim need you to understand that, or you won't understand the sim :P

[ProudTiger]

I dunno, I'm pretty sure a friend of mine has an IL2 Sturmovik box from way back when it originally came out here in Australia, so it's plausible, I'd say! :p

I bought the original in a box here in Australia.

LOL,I've bought this game 3 times.

The original,the complete version and il2 1946.

Wings Of Prey is the most superior looking of all flight sim games even knocking off FSX.

Unless you add pricey third party addons.

[galagamo]

Super bump:p
I suppose one could look at this post that you linked, that is made for playing WITH KEYBOARD.






Where does it say that? I looked, and nowhere does it say
"made for playing WITH KEYBOARD". Only if your sadistic and hate yourself would you want to do that.
But still WTF are you talking about? Seriously bro, I want to know.
Misquote perhaps?

[Harry Voyager]

Anyways, the answers DWP's questions:

The main issues is that Il-2 is a 10 year old engine that has gone through four major expansions, three semi-compatible revisions of the Dx engine, and the depreciation of the version it was originally written for, the implosion of the OpenGL standard that it was written for, and the weird failure of Ubi's side of the multiplayer hosting.

The developer's forums are here:
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/forumdisplay.php?f=98

From there you can get the 4.10 and 4.101 patches, if you want them. They're mostly adding planes an in flight functionality. The user interface is mostly unchanged.

For Multiplayer, you want Hyperlobby: http://hyperfighter.sk/

Hyperlobby is more or less an Flight sim online game matching service. Over the years they've collected up a number of flight sims that they host lobbies for, and when Ubisoft's lobby hosting sort of imploded, Hyperlobby more or less took over. Their page has instructions on how to set up their client system. Flight sims are a small enough market that it never developed strong in game multiplayer matching. Hyperlobby is about it. Also be aware that there is a nut-job who has made it his life's goal to kill Hyperlobby, so you'll probably find a number of his sites when you start Googling it. One of those "fun" things about a small community.

In what way were the graphics horrible? Was it merely they aren't very attractive, or are we talking about specific weird things? For graphical weird things, check the 1C forums. For general not hotness, I will agree that the engine and the models are showing their age. Many of the aircraft models date from 2001. That said, when I started playing, I was running it on a Radeon DDR. As in one of these guys: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon_R100 Radeon DDR.

With the "long expositions" you're talking about the training missions right? Those weren't very good. If you know what an airplane is, and have a basic concept of how it works, you're better off hosting an empty dogfight server, and using the Esc menu to check and remap the controls while you free fly. The only note is that I believe you have to hit the bail out command three times in a row to bail out. It was deliberate to cut down on the accidental bail outs. That may be Lock On, though.

Overall impression? Obviously, based on YouTube videos, OTHER people are having a great time with this game. But I'm not one of them. I suspect that this is essentially freeware with an active community that has a kajillion mods/patches to turn it into a fun sim game. To be honest, though, I'd rather spend $50 for a complete game than have to spend weeks trying to figure out how to mod a game I have into something I'd want to play.


You would probably have had to see the entire life cycle to understand. It was fun from the get-go, and managed to revive the genre for several years when it was released, but the get go was 11 flyable planes, and 20 or so NPC aircraft, of which only 1, the P-39, was not a Russian or German plane. Now we've got something like 300 planes from nearly every major airforce.

If you really want to see how much things have changed, Fileplant still has the v2.0 demo up here:
http://www.fileplanet.com/63881/60000/fileinfo/IL-2-Sturmovik-Demo-v2.0

Considering how it's the from the pre-expansion game, it may even be easier to get into. Less of the wall of toothpaste effect.

[Speedingbullets]

Yeah, Il-2`s a great game. After a seven year break I bought a computer again and a copy of Il-2 1946 on the same day, remembering the fun I`d had back in 2001. Was pretty easy to get up and running and I was into multiplayer on hyperlobby that night.
I also bought ROF in the early days and since the mp was crap back then I continued playing Il-2 (patched only). I`ve spent the last 6 months getting back into ROF and they`ve made some real improvements.
It is a bit pricey (many of the planes are sold seperately, though they also took time and effort to make), even so Neoqb apparently almost went bust, and 777 studios stepped in. They really listern to what players want and they deliver.
With Il-2 CoD only a week away, I`d consider waiting and investing in that for ww2. After the time and effort that`s gone into this, I hope it goes well for all. More videos!!!
Edit: If the epilepsy inhibitor for CoD is true and really does inhibit then I`d reconsider the consider investing until resolved.
Edit: The epilepsy filter is now an option to be enabled/disabled.