OHHHH...MUH...GAWD... This cpu is a BEAST!!

[crazycanuck]

Intel Gulftown i9 processor. Socket 1366

6 cores, 12 threads 12 mb L3 cache

look at second link..5-6ghz overclocked.

Photos don't show much but WOW,,this is like Pron for techies and performance freaks
http://www.guru3d.com/news/intel-sixcore-core-i9-photos/

heres a post on some tests a person has been running on this processor.this guys been running the proc between 5.6 and 6.2 ghz. sorry Folks but this processor will only be compatible with apparently the x58 boards and not possible with any of the I5 boards. This kind of potential upgrade path is the reason for me at least a few bucks extra spent on the I7 platform was a good investment. Theres more info to come as more tests are done.

Could be out first half 2010.


http://kingpincooling.com/forum/showthread.php?t=131&page=2

[LATTEH]

thats really good only if it had hyperthreading! ;)

[DorkSterr]

Omg thank God I passed out on the current i7&i5's.

[crazycanuck]

thats really good only if it had hyperthreading! ;)


Ummm...look again...it does have hyperthreading..(look at the image of the spec below chart.)

http://www.pcgameshardware.com/aid,695432/Core-i9-Intels-6-core-desktop-CPU-pictured/News/

the I5's don't have hyperthreading.

Omg thank God I passed out on the current i7&i5's.

actually if you went with the I7920 lets say...this processor is an upgrade for that socket and x58 chipset. If you went with the i5..your out of luck for using this new processor or any other ones in this family for upgrade paths. Thats why i have been saying the I7 processors and the x58 boards although a bit more expensive now have better long term capacity for upgrades and a more ability to be a viable platform for longer then the i5.

[mjke]

Humph. I already built a new rig and no more money is left. gosh darn

Wait, is this an i7 or i9? The pictures in the link says i7

[crazycanuck]

Humph. I already built a new rig and no more money is left. gosh darn

Wait, is this an i7 or i9? The pictures in the link says i7

Its the I9 processor...I7 family of processors if i got that correct.

But it could also be a glitch in that utility since this processor is still in test stages. It wouldnt be the first time i saw a utility report something wrong before an update. The GTs 250 for a long time was being reported as a 9800 when they first came out.

[Hiroshima]

How much guys you think it will sell for, $999-$1200 ia my guess.

[crazycanuck]

How much guys you think it will sell for, $999-$1200 ia my guess.

I'd say your close in a price range, maybe a little high on the lower end...i'd guess a starting price of 700 and up. . Its definitely being aimed at the Enthusiast gamer and Builder.

But a proc like this in the right rig will more then provide the power needed for the newer gen GPU's coming out..the 5XXX series from ati and the G300 series from Nvidia(when ever they make an appearance)

But i am very interested in seeing how this processor stacks up against the I7920,940. For the games out now i think it might be overkill, but you would certainly be well set for the next 2+ years of games and GPU's.

[bes]

I could use that beast for some 3D scene rendering... it would probably be done in a flash with some 4X RAID SSD's...

I already spent $700 on this new system so guess ill have to wait a few years...

[Mudkipz]

How much guys you think it will sell for, $999-$1200 ia my guess.

Last I heard (I have been following this set for a while now) is that the price points on release will be similar to the i7 however they won't have the cheapest option. Thus there will be one sold at ~%500 and one at ~$1000.

PS This is kinda old and I don't seem to see much more new info except the overclocking potential. I have been waiting for these CPUs to come out since April or so.

[crazycanuck]

PS This is kinda old and I don't seem to see much more new info except the overclocking potential. I have been waiting for these CPUs to come out since April or so.

old?? all the links are dated in the last few days if not today..

word about the development of these processors has been around for a few months, but this is the first concrete info that i have seen posted anywhere.

[weedo]

Omg thank God I passed out on the current i7&i5's.

I'm thinking the same thing :D

[Mudkipz]

old?? all the links are dated in the last few days if not today..

word about the development of these processors has been around for a few months, but this is the first concrete info that i have seen posted anywhere.

http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=3513&p=5&cp=4
I think that article has a fair amount of info on them. I agree it doesn't have any actual benchmarks or overclocking of them or any cpuid screenshots but afterall even the ones you linked are probably still very early prototypes with a fair number of changes to come before the final release.

[Baron_Fel]

If it still has a 130W TDP the clock speeds could be disappointing, agressive turbo would probably make up for it though.

[crazycanuck]

If it still has a 130W TDP the clock speeds could be disappointing, agressive turbo would probably make up for it though.

They have been tested so far to reach above 6.0 ghz. 6.22 in one test and the another @ 5.8 ghz. Its in one of the links in my opening post. Its a 32nm processor so should be able to hit some fairly high clocks. The one report in the link shows 188(?) mhz @ 33 multiplier.

http://kingpincooling.com/forum/showthread.php?t=131&page=2

[Pickanewnameplzkthx]

Shamino has already exceeded the 6.0 GHz mark with it. They are monsters, and have already taken the Vantage Score by 30,000 points. This is the knockout blow that is gonna keep Intel on top for a long time to come. Just wait until the next generation where Octocore will be released and they ramp up the clock speeds. It pays to be a winner. This is why I chose to go with a 1366 based system, becasue I knew the kind of power that was coming, and the 965 Extreme I have now was just a taste. Now I can do some horse trading and get one of these, and that goal of being able to run these flow simulations in real time is getting closer and closer every day.

[crazycanuck]

agreed T_Flight. This is also the very reason i went with 1366 socket system as well. The new I5 although priced right will IMO have a limited life span and as i said a few times. I think those who choose not to spend a few more bucks on an x58 chipset mobo socket 1366 are going to regret it later on. This processor is one of the very reasons for that argument.

[MikeyM]

Intel Gulftown i9 processor. Socket 1366

6 cores, 12 threads 12 mb L3 cache

look at second link..5-6ghz overclocked.

Photos don't show much but WOW,,this is like Pron for techies and performance freaks
http://www.guru3d.com/news/intel-sixcore-core-i9-photos/

heres a post on some tests a person has been running on this processor.this guys been running the proc between 5.6 and 6.2 ghz. sorry Folks but this processor will only be compatible with apparently the x58 boards and not possible with any of the I5 boards. This kind of potential upgrade path is the reason for me at least a few bucks extra spent on the I7 platform was a good investment. Theres more info to come as more tests are done.

Could be out first half 2010.


http://kingpincooling.com/forum/showthread.php?t=131&page=2
wait wait wait, did I just see a 7 core processer?
my phenom II x4 got beasted there :(

[crazycanuck]

wait wait wait, did I just see a 7 core processer?
my phenom II x4 got beasted there :(

Nope 6 cores...but ya still got beasted...

[Pickanewnameplzkthx]

agreed T_Flight. This is also the very reason i went with 1366 socket system as well. The new I5 although priced right will IMO have a limited life span and as i said a few times. I think those who choose not to spend a few more bucks on an x58 chipset mobo socket 1366 are going to regret it later on. This processor is one of the very reasons for that argument.

One word... Enthusiast. Anytime you see that word, that is the highend stuff that is gonna last. That is where they focus the top tier of technology. It is a perfect example of "You get what you pay for." and not just at that moment, but in the long run as well.

[DorkSterr]

Uh oh. Intel's enemy wants to fight!

http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/15554/66/

[crazycanuck]

Uh oh. Intel's enemy wants to fight!

http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/15554/66/

Bah...it will be a two hit fight..Intel hitting AMD and AMD hitting the floor, lol.

This line in that article will be the reason ,performance wise, Intels proc will come out ahead or at least should.

AMD’s chip is also in 45nm, which doesn’t help at all, as Intel’s Gulftown is 32nm, which will probably give Intel huge clock and performance advantage. The logic behind is really simple. Both CPUs can aim for 130W TDP and Intel with 32nm and six cores can clock much higher in that power envelope

Intel could still have a fight on their hands if AMD decides to low ball the pricing of there processor. but anyone savvy enough will take a look at the specs and decide pretty quick.

But considering This is still all pre release info...it could still maybe be an interesting fight.

Realistically speaking 6 cores even for the next 12 months would be good for bragging rights only IMO. But if you wanted to build a system with massive flexibility and more then enough horsepower to handle the next gen video cards..this I9 looks like it might be the ticket and with the fleibility of the x58 chipset....its a techies wetdream.

[l4dr0cks123]

I won't buy a 1336 setup because I'll be able to upgrade to this CPU later because I'm pretty sure when the price of this CPU drops enough to be affordable Intel will pull a 8-core chip out of their ♥♥♥ that I can buy (but if it's released before I get my new comp I might consider it). But I agree LGA1156 was a big mistake, if the Lynnfields used P55 and dual-channel but had LGA1366 I'd be really happy.

[bes]

Uh oh. Intel's enemy wants to fight!

http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/15554/66/

Was starting to lose hope in AMD... they released that 6-core a while ago but I didnt want to buy a server motherboard to use it..

Hope we can cram that bad boy in a socket AM3, lets hope it has a triple channel memory controller or better too..

[Pickanewnameplzkthx]

Fud is not a fight. It's not even a wimper. I wouldn't even click a link to that site if I was paid. Clicking links to that site only antagonizes them to post more trash. To put it bluntly, Fud makes the Internet look really dumb. I refuse to polute my mind with that trash.

[DorkSterr]

Bah...it will be a two hit fight..Intel hitting AMD and AMD hitting the floor, lol.

This line in that article will be the reason ,performance wise, Intels proc will come out ahead or at least should.



Intel could still have a fight on their hands if AMD decides to low ball the pricing of there processor. but anyone savvy enough will take a look at the specs and decide pretty quick.

But considering This is still all pre release info...it could still maybe be an interesting fight.

Realistically speaking 6 cores even for the next 12 months would be good for bragging rights only IMO. But if you wanted to build a system with massive flexibility and more then enough horsepower to handle the next gen video cards..this I9 looks like it might be the ticket and with the fleibility of the x58 chipset....its a techies wetdream.

HAHAH! Ya. But I really want AMD to come out with something that will be enough to lower the price on the i9 because if the i9 is in the $1800+USD I don't see me buying it, I cant justify spending that much on a processor.

[Combat Medic]

"Apart from the fact you will be cool if you tell your 18 year old friends that you're a proud owner of a six core CPU, we would not expect too much performance out of them."

In other words useless overpriced garbage.

[<--DGK-->]

This Owned me damn!

But still +1 to that COmbat Medic,my reason is it never ends..soon thers gonna be a better one than this. Like foe Ex. the i7 920 CO/C1 and D0 steppings etc.

This i9 is the beast within.5-6ghz?! PAWNSOME!

but IMO not worth my money,i bet this is gonna be hella expensive.

[Baron_Fel]

Shamino has already exceeded the 6.0 GHz mark with it. They are monsters, and have already taken the Vantage Score by 30,000 points. This is the knockout blow that is gonna keep Intel on top for a long time to come. Just wait until the next generation where Octocore will be released and they ramp up the clock speeds. It pays to be a winner. This is why I chose to go with a 1366 based system, becasue I knew the kind of power that was coming, and the 965 Extreme I have now was just a taste. Now I can do some horse trading and get one of these, and that goal of being able to run these flow simulations in real time is getting closer and closer every day.

Didnt notice it was 32nm. In that case, it really will be quite the beast.

Still, there is no way in hell this thing will be affordable anytime soon.

[crazycanuck]

"Apart from the fact you will be cool if you tell your 18 year old friends that you're a proud owner of a six core CPU, we would not expect too much performance out of them."

In other words useless overpriced garbage.

I'm glad to see you dont make a habit of jumping to conclusions before you get a chance to read evidence first.:rolleyes:

[Fozi]

Turbo Boost technologyThey stole that from Knight Rider... :p

[Combat Medic]

I'm glad to see you dont make a habit of jumping to conclusions before you get a chance to read evidence first.:rolleyes:

Evidence shows that it will not show any benefits over the i7 for gaming and evidence shows its going to be hellah expensive.

[Mangr0v3]

I read that i9/Gulftown (32nm/Westmere) were going to be server-class chips? :confused:

[Green Machine.]

What's really the point of 6 Core CPU's?

The majority of games and applications still haven't fully utilized dual core yet.

[Pickanewnameplzkthx]

There are plenty. It's a reoocuring debate that there are not applications that use that mnay cores. I disagree. I have numerous applications that use the fullest potential (100% CPU load...well, actually 99.9%) 24/7. The only time they are not doing work is when I am gaming. In fact I have simualtions running now niow this very minute as I type this. I have not seen a case yet where a CPU is capable of video encoding in real time, or is able to run these engineering programs or modelling programs in real time. Computers are not designed for gaming. They are designed to do work. Gaming is factored in, but is really trivial in the grand scheme of things. It about getting work done as quickly and efficienintly as possible.

Even somethign as simple as zipping a ultility utilizes multithreading now. In fact WinRar is an application where multhreading really shines. Photo Editing, rendering, encoding, engineering programs, engineering simulations, flow modeling and flow dynamics, cadd programs, Distributed Computing, and yes gaming. Mnay games ultilize Multithreading. Even games that are nopw 2 years old ultilize it. Many more are coming and have already been announced.

I actually look for programs that utilize Multithreading, becasue it saves me time. Those seconds and minutes, and hours add up. I've literally already saved years of time of my life by utilizing it. Work that would've taken me 80% more time without utilizing multithreading not only would've took time from my life, it would've took money out of my pocket, and could've very well cost me contracts in the past.

I will be upgrading possibly to this CPU, or I might wait, but until they get enough power to do these runs in real time we have not untapped the full power of them. Yes they are needed. They are desperately needed.

[crazycanuck]

Evidence shows that it will not show any benefits over the i7 for gaming and evidence shows its going to be hellah expensive.


what evidence...there hasn't been any evidence yet. there are no I7 vs I9 comparison tests even done yet. Theres been a few overclocks on tests done on the chips.

Please link me to the tests showing the evidence. I'm not trying to be an A## here but i haven't found any tests beyond what i linked to. If you have other websites that have done more tests using current games and various processors to use and comparisons i am sure we would all be glad to see them to.

as for expensive...definitely. Its as was stated previously an enthusiast targeted chip. Its going to be pricey, but there are reasons for it. They are tossing the whole kitchen sink at this processor and its going to be well worth every dollar. While people are upgrading again down the road, processor,mobo and ram, this processor , the x58 chipset and triple channel ram will still have more then enough headroom to be viable for quite some time with its untapped power. The newest Gpu's (g300) from nvidia are going to require a lot of cpu ability to feed them and processors like the I7 series 920,940 and now the I9 will be more then capable of doing this for 2+ years.

As for something better coming along in the future..naturally. Its just the way of things. But if you spend a little extra now you don't have to upgrade so soon as you have a lot of untapped potential waiting for the right technology to unlock it.

Trust me, I was one of those builders that for a long time built with $$ in mind first and scalability in mind last. I have more motherboards at home then i should because i bought the "cheaper" processors and motherboards and found they had inadequate power and ability when i was looking to upgrade to a faster gpu and was getting lackluster in game benefit. I sat back and watched other friends and gamers that spent more upfront continuing to utilize theyre builds when i am well into my second. Because they made the choice of spending a little more then and save later. I can say after some comparisons that the money i spent on upgrades because of bad choices previously was far more then they spent originally. To coin a Phrase, they were the last man laughing.

I criticized them for spending 700 dollars on a processor when i spent 200 dollars, the same goes for them spending 350 bucks on a motherboard and i spent 160. But 2 more processors and motherboards and ram later i was well beyond their first investment and they were still able to utilize the power of their first Cpu because it had untapped abilities they were now tapping into.

[Light Yagami]

I saw this last week
ITS GONNA BE SO AWESOME O_O

To bad it's gonna cost a 1000$
Waiting to see what AMD's next move will be

[Katrina Looter]

This kind of potential upgrade path is the reason for me at least a few bucks extra spent on the I7 platform was a good investment.

exactly, exactly, exactly.

[Combat Medic]

what evidence...there hasn't been any evidence yet. there are no I7 vs I9 comparison tests even done yet. Theres been a few overclocks on tests done on the chips.

Simple Intel flagship CPUs are ALWAYS freakishly expensive.There is almost no difference between i7 and phenom2 on most games because games are mostly GPU bond not CPU.The only way you would really see a benefit is in 4 way crossfire and sli systems and how many of us can afford those?Yes it will be great for other task like encoding ect. BUT if you are not doing it professionally i see no reason to upgrade from i7 except too increase the size or your e-peen.

[crazycanuck]

Simple Intel flagship CPUs are ALWAYS freakishly expensive.There is almost no difference between i7 and phenom2 on most games because games are mostly GPU bond not CPU.The only way you would really see a benefit is in 4 way crossfire and sli systems and how many of us can afford those?Yes it will be great for other task like encoding ect. BUT if you are not doing it professionally i see no reason to upgrade from i7 except too increase the size or your e-peen.

hey,!! THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH WANTING A BIG EPEEN!!:p

I and most others are probably not planning on Jumping on this I9 bandwagon as soon as it hits the store shelves. I want to see some good comparisons and tests done with it, Give the processor time to mature. get at least a second generation under its belt.As the Nvidia G300 cards start to make their appearance then i will look much closer at those test results and tests and see how this new generation of GPU's behave and what exactly they need in cpu Pony power to operate effectively. The I7920 i currently have @ 3.7 ghz has more then enough Juice to do what i need it to for a while yet.

[Baron_Fel]

exactly, exactly, exactly.

Unless you plan on spending $1000 on a new CPU, the answer would be no, no, no.

[crazycanuck]

Well the pricing is still up in the air...Its all speculation until the processors hit the stores. They are not gonna be cheap...but i don't want to go sticking 1000 price tags on something until we know for sure.

Unless someone has solid pricing on a website we can see.

[Grüven]

Any decent OS will make use this hardware for a much greater advantage in multitasking, even if many of those tasks are not written to execute on more than 1 processor. With AMD releasing 6 core desktop processors next year, Intel will respond with lower-priced Gulftowns (relative to the Extreme Editions), unless the performance difference really is vastly in favor of Intel's offering(s)...

[DorkSterr]

Well the pricing is still up in the air...Its all speculation until the processors hit the stores. They are not gonna be cheap...but i don't want to go sticking 1000 price tags on something until we know for sure.

Unless someone has solid pricing on a website we can see.

We can be sure that the price will be over the $1000USD mark, look at the Intel Core 2 Extreme QX9770 its still almost $2000CAD where I live.

[crazycanuck]

Any decent OS will make use this hardware for a much greater advantage in multitasking, even if many of those tasks are not written to execute on more than 1 processor. With AMD releasing 6 core desktop processors next year, Intel will respond with lower-priced Gulftowns (relative to the Extreme Editions), unless the performance difference really is vastly in favor of Intel's offering(s)...

Amd's 6 core processors are based on 45nm process and Intel's are 32nm. The Performance crown will definitely go to Intel unless AMD comes up with a 32nm Processor as well. AMD might try to bypass this inequity by dropping their pants on the price of their processor and put a dent in Intels sales that way. But based on purely the design of the chip the 32nm chip will have far superior abilities over the 45nm one.

[rotNdude]

Well the pricing is still up in the air...Its all speculation until the processors hit the stores. They are not gonna be cheap...but i don't want to go sticking 1000 price tags on something until we know for sure.

Unless someone has solid pricing on a website we can see.

Take it for what it's worth:

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20090812PD225.html

Pricing of the six-core Gulftown CPUs is expected to reach as high as US$1,499 in thousand-unit tray quantities.

[Grüven]

Amd's 6 core processors are based on 45nm process and Intel's are 32nm. The Performance crown will definitely go to Intel unless AMD comes up with a 32nm Processor as well. AMD might try to bypass this inequity by dropping their pants on the price of their processor and put a dent in Intels sales that way. But based on purely the design of the chip the 32nm chip will have far superior abilities over the 45nm one.
A smaller process doesn't exclusively equate to a performance gain (unless you are thinking about overclockability, but then most of either company's customers don't. Then again, there should be power savings!), although I do agree with you in the end, Intel's performance will top AMD's easily when you consider that most of the "architecture" from both parties will be the same.

[crazycanuck]

Take it for what it's worth:

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20090812PD225.html

ahh cool,,,its worth something considering i didn't see anything before.. Thank-you for the link....still up in the air for the final $$ but definitely more information then we had..they are definitely not going to be in the "budget" category.

A smaller process doesn't exclusively equate to a performance gain (unless you are thinking about overclockability, but then most of either company's customers don't. Then again, there should be power savings!), although I do agree with you in the end, Intel's performance will top AMD's easily when you consider that most of the "architecture" from both parties will be the same.

The enthusiast market they are aiming for will be looking at this chip for its ability to overclock. I know guys at other websites who are already drooling over the overclock numbers of the links in my first post on page 1. Those numbers were on air cooling if i am not incorrect. But yes for me overclock ability means longer viability of the processor. My i7920 is currently @ 3.7 ghz and can reach 4.0+ ghz but for the time being there is no need to call for that extra power. My gtx275's are scaling nicely in sli mode and i could even lose .1>.2 ghz and be ok.

[Grüven]

The enthusiast market they are aiming for will be looking at this chip for its ability to overclock. I know guys at other websites who are already drooling over the overclock numbers of the links in my first post on page 1. Those numbers were on air cooling if i am not incorrect. But yes for me overclock ability means longer viability of the processor. My i7920 is currently @ 3.7 ghz and can reach 4.0+ ghz but for the time being there is no need to call for that extra power. My gtx275's are scaling nicely in sli mode and i could even lose .1>.2 ghz and be ok.
Right, but it isn't exclusively a product for them though, as there are plenty of researchers willing to put this hardware to use (BOINC, for example, will likely be able to keep CPU usage at %100), and I'd take the guess that they far outnumber enthusiasts interested in high overclocks.

[Baron_Fel]

A smaller process doesn't exclusively equate to a performance gain (unless you are thinking about overclockability, but then most of either company's customers don't. Then again, there should be power savings!), although I do agree with you in the end, Intel's performance will top AMD's easily when you consider that most of the "architecture" from both parties will be the same.

higher overclockability translates into higher stock speeds, its not just relevant to enthusiasts.

[Grüven]

higher overclockability translates into higher stock speeds, its not just relevant to enthusiasts.
But at what cost in terms of power consumption and heat production?.

[Baron_Fel]

But at what cost in terms of power consumption and heat production?.

I was saying that going to 32nm isnt going to just benefit overclockers, itll also allow for higher stock speeds because the chip will likely have a higher ceiling.

[Grüven]

I was saying that going to 32nm isnt going to just benefit overclockers, itll also allow for higher stock speeds because the chip will likely have a higher ceiling.
Yeah I agree, but will Intel ramp up clocks and risk lower yields?

[crazycanuck]

But at what cost in terms of power consumption and heat production?

You will most certainly see an increase in power consumption and the need for a better cpu cooler capable of dissipating heat at higher rates. but the 32nm process allows higher clock speeds creating less heat then 45nm and less power required then 45nm as well. For some applications the ability to get a higher stock speed through overclocking gives the cpu a real boost in performance and can cut time down significantly.

My i7 is able to reach 3.7 ghz at far lower voltages then my last q9400. I need almost 1.5v on the core to get stable at 3.4 ghz...this i7920 is stable @ 3.7 @ 1.3v. Thats a huge decrease in power requirements which translates to a lot less heat that needs to be gotten rid of.

[evanjackman]

Things like this make me feel bad about my Core 2 Duo.

[wannabeapilot]

There are plenty. It's a reoocuring debate that there are not applications that use that mnay cores. I disagree. I have numerous applications that use the fullest potential (100% CPU load...well, actually 99.9%) 24/7. The only time they are not doing work is when I am gaming. In fact I have simualtions running now niow this very minute as I type this. I have not seen a case yet where a CPU is capable of video encoding in real time, or is able to run these engineering programs or modelling programs in real time. Computers are not designed for gaming. They are designed to do work. Gaming is factored in, but is really trivial in the grand scheme of things. It about getting work done as quickly and efficienintly as possible.

Even somethign as simple as zipping a ultility utilizes multithreading now. In fact WinRar is an application where multhreading really shines. Photo Editing, rendering, encoding, engineering programs, engineering simulations, flow modeling and flow dynamics, cadd programs, Distributed Computing, and yes gaming. Mnay games ultilize Multithreading. Even games that are nopw 2 years old ultilize it. Many more are coming and have already been announced.

I actually look for programs that utilize Multithreading, becasue it saves me time. Those seconds and minutes, and hours add up. I've literally already saved years of time of my life by utilizing it. Work that would've taken me 80% more time without utilizing multithreading not only would've took time from my life, it would've took money out of my pocket, and could've very well cost me contracts in the past.

I will be upgrading possibly to this CPU, or I might wait, but until they get enough power to do these runs in real time we have not untapped the full power of them. Yes they are needed. They are desperately needed.

agreed ,i lose so much time when editing videos because i have to render them to see whats actually happening ,itd be amazing to have a processor capable of real time previews etc...