Fermi Graphic Card - nvidia

[Beer_N_Cookies]

Originally Posted by Earthful

http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1011453
Well... I started a cool thread here but it got closed :/ lets speculate here!

No, we can make up stuff and it will be just as accurate. Trust me on this one. I think I demonstrated this already a few pages back. ATI's actual problem is they need to make better drivers because by the time Nvidia releases their Fermi card all ATI has to do is released a "super-charged" driver that would give all video cards from 5XXX series on a 5-10% increase in performance. Its really not hard to improve your drivers. Nvidia did the same thing when ATI released their 48XX series.

[GrandpaQ]

Originally Posted by Earthful

http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1011453
Well... I started a cool thread here but it got closed :/ lets speculate here!

Lets see what we have about Fermi from a speculation point of view:

Cost: Could be very high due to chip size and complexity.

Launch: Well into Q1 2010 based on several sources with insider info.

Performance: Gaming wise who knows until it's out and all Nvidia is talking about is non gaming applications so far.

This leaves ATI tons of room to not only launch Hemlock (5870 x 2)but close to the next generation based on almost 1/2 a year since the 5870 launch.

In my opinion Fermi will have to be under $500.00 and have Hemlock beat at that price to be a success.

[90% Jihad]

Originally Posted by Beer_N_Cookies

N[...]all ATI has to do is released a "super-charged" driver that would give all video cards from 5XXX series on a 5-10% increase in performance.[...]

Maybe they already have a little bit of artificial headroom implemented. I wouldn't be surprised to see that, anyway, seeing how that particular market heats up around release dates.

That conspiracy theory would also explain the lackluster 5770 release. At it's current price point, it's not strong enough. The magic driver trick could suddenly change that.

[GrandpaQ]

Originally Posted by T_Flight

What lack are you referring to?

Doubling the number of shaders? Increasing the memory bandwidth? Performance to Cost is a fallacy. There is no ratio there other than the fact that you get what you pay for. That's always been the case with any product. It especially holds true for performance hardware, and it always will.

I would agree if Fermi was only designed for gaming but we know that's not the case. For most people cost is a factor so for any volume sales it needs to be considered.

[Earthful]

Originally Posted by T_Flight

.....Nothing has changed except that technology has further evolved into Fermi now. Yeah, it's gonna cost some money. They always do on release. People that buy tjhis kind of cutting edge technology don;t need to look at price. They already know what it costs, and it really doesn't matter. It cost what it costs and if you want the top of the line you pay a top of the line price.....

Very good point but not all of us are rich, no further comments.

[Beer_N_Cookies]

Originally Posted by Earthful

Very good point but not all of us are rich, no further comments.

Thats where that horrible three letter word comes into play.

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[Earthful]

Originally Posted by Beer_N_Cookies

Thats where that horrible three letter word comes into play.

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Hahahahahaha, good one!!! Laughed at that

[Beer_N_Cookies]

Originally Posted by T_Flight

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I can;t really say if this card is gonna cost 400, 500, 600 or even 800 but I can tell you that the people I know that are interested in it right now don't care. If they did, they wouldn;t be looking at it. This is a high performance high end, cutting edge release card. They're not gonna cut corners at the expense of cost on it. Well, they better not, I'll put it that way.

So we're looking at a repeat of a 7800GTX (back in 04/05) This actually wouldn't surprise me.

[GrandpaQ]

Let me see if I understand?

Price means nothing? Interesting but unrealistic for real world sales volumes and shareholders of NVDA.

[Beer_N_Cookies]

Originally Posted by GrandpaQ

Let me see if I understand?

Price means nothing? Interesting but unrealistic for real world sales volumes and shareholders of NVDA.

Nvidia has done it a few times before. Why make a product competitive? When you can make the best one out on the market and worry about price and manufacturing costs later. The 7800GTX was the definition of that. It came out way, way ahead of anything else on the market. This might be a repeat of that in more of the develop it first, set price later attitude Nvidia has. Why make it affordable when it can be the best on the market. Isn't this wonderful logic?

[Earthful]

Originally Posted by T_Flight

It's like in Drag Racing. Do you want a 6 second 1/8 mile car or do you want a 5 second car. The 5 second car's motor is gonna cost almost twice as much, but it's gonna get you there a heck of alot quicker, and it's a real kick in the backside too. hehe

+Rep for good imagination
but then again, there is environmentalists standing front of the 5 second machine because it spews so much pollution.'
-Rep for the pollution caused by the drag racer

Its like saying Drag Racer>Prius Hybrid. Sure, sure the racer is faster but it uses gas so fast (10MPG) it won't make it further than the Prius (35MPG). There is some people that just wants to go to point A to point B, but some people wants to be as speedy as possible. Advantages/Disadvantages, everything has them.

[Beer_N_Cookies]

Originally Posted by T_Flight

It's like in Drag Racing. Do you want a 6 second 1/8 mile car or do you want a 5 second car. The 5 second car's motor is gonna cost almost twice as much, but it's gonna get you there a heck of alot quicker, and it's a real kick in the backside too. hehe

Now Lets use another fun analogy of drivers in car racing. Lets say a turbo charger in drag racing is the same as improved software drivers. Theirs only so much HP/performance gain by installing one. Sure you can update it (I.E. Twin Turbo) but theirs not much else you can do.

Originally Posted by Earthful

Its like saying Drag Racer>Prius Hybrid. Sure, sure the racer is faster but it uses gas so fast (10MPG) it won't make it further than the Prius (35MPG). There is some people that just wants to go to point A to point B, but some people wants to be as speedy as possible. Advantages/Disadvantages, everything has them.

I actually work for a company with 30+ Priuses,they get an average of 53-55MPG. I've gone as fast as 85 (toll road), their quick little cars. But I'm sure they can't do over 100.

[GrandpaQ]

Fudzilla is reporting that Nvidia partners are feeling the $ pinch due to Fermi taking so long. Link

I bet these partners hope the rumors of late Q1 2010 are wrong and it comes out December.

[Beer_N_Cookies]

Originally Posted by GrandpaQ

Fudzilla is reporting that Nvidia partners are feeling the $ pinch due to Fermi taking so long. Link

I bet these partners hope the rumors of late Q1 2010 are wrong and it comes out December.

Time to hopefully expand your horizons once more (or I'd end up hurting your IQ if you read this)

Yeah, but then again I don't feel sorry for them (nvidia's partners). Their partners just sit back and punch their logo on the nvidia card they produce and sell it for a 5-35% mark up. They do very little work and get a nice profit out of it. Nvidia & AMD are a cash cow if you think about it. All you have to do is pay nvidia/AMD a licensing fee and continue to do business. Once you have sold enough products to cover the license from nvidia its just profit after that. Theirs a lot reason AMD's partners haven't left them because their just more profitable.

Lets say I have a billion dollars, I can outsource labor in china or another country (which all of them do).
I'll call it (my company) "Company D Eastside" And then import it to the USA calling it "Company D Westside" I would pay less taxes etc for importing because its within the same company. Then once the product is in the US. I setup my supply of retailers and sell my product. I'd probably use USPS because their a non-profit organization and in the end I would save money shipping with them. So once I have my supply chain established, the cargo would arrive on ships from china and then go to a warehouse in California. Then I would mail them off. Within 3-5 months I would have the fee paid off and I would make a profit.

Now I know theirs some BFG supporters (or products made in the us), But trust me those parts are made in china (or insert country here ____) and assembled in the US. Just have to have US branding as a promotional reason on why you should buy their cards.

So, once again I've either expanded your horizons or I've hurt your IQ because you read my giant unforgiving paragraphs.

[steveroger]

Originally Posted by GrandpaQ

Whats with the venom? I was sharing information about Fermi keep the personal comments to yourself.

Chill out dude. He said nothing against you. I doubt you even read what he wrote. Look again:

Originally Posted by Beer_N_Cookies

Time to hopefully expand your horizons once more (or I'd end up hurting your IQ if you read this)

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So, once again I've either expanded your horizons or I've hurt your IQ because you read my giant unforgiving paragraphs.