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EDJE · 11-07-2009, 06:47 PM

http://half-life.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline

Voila.

This page has been completely finished, so it's pretty hard not to believe it.

Gordon is sent a letter telling him he was hired by the administrator (Edit: Actually, LM is just a member of the office of the Administrator, like a secretary or something.), LM. (Who is Marc Laidlaw backwards.) on May 5.

http://half-life.wikia.com/wiki/File...job_letter.jpg

Gordon then starts working on May 15.

On May 16, he starts the cascade.

Wow.

Now this leaves a whole lot more questions unanswered, like what Alyx meant when she said that Barney and Gordon would race to get Kleiners office open for him. (Or something along those lines.)

Edit: Oh wait, after reading more into that letter of initiation, it mentions that Kleiner was his old professor. Perhaps Barney was a security guard there, while Gordon studied.

Jinoru · 11-07-2009, 07:19 PM

or Barney's just cool like that.

Neveos · 11-07-2009, 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EDJE

http://half-life.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline

Voila.

This page has been completely finished, so it's pretty hard not to believe it.

Gordon is sent a letter telling him he was hired by the administrator (Edit: Actually, LM is just a member of the office of the Administrator, like a secretary or something.), LM. (Who is Marc Laidlaw backwards.) on May 5.

http://half-life.wikia.com/wiki/File...job_letter.jpg

Gordon then starts working on May 15.

On May 16, he starts the cascade.

No, there is no reference to what -year- it happened.

Jinoru · 11-07-2009, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Neveos

Actually, the letter is dated for "200-" meaning Gordon got hired some time between 2000-2010. It doesn't say anything about that letter being received "2 days prior to the event". The letter doesn't actually do anything to tell us when the event happened.

Gordon was likely there "a few years" (2 3 or 4). People knew him, he was already trained in an HEV suit, Barney and Gordon were friends long enough to "have vent races into Kleiner's locked office"... etc.

I really don't think a few years. "ah..Its good to see you." Thats just being polite, People don't really know him that well. It prolly doesn't take to long to figure out the HEV suit, maybe a week of training. and he's been late before and not been fired yet. That means he's either really good at his job or he hasn't been repremanded yet or it hasn't been processed yet.

Neveos · 11-07-2009, 07:46 PM

Hmm, I hate doing this, but it does seem I have found the first contradiction:

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/ha...ecay_notes.jpg

This is a letter to Colette Green from LM which suggests that the "sample" was discovered by an expedition, and -not- delivered by the G-Man. This is odd since Decay was the latest installment before HL2 was released.

But I think this is acceptable, because it is well known that Decay was never allowed for PC release by Valve. I don't think Decay is considered canon because Valve did not and does not allow it for purchase from them. It was an freebie add-on to the Play-station version of "half life".

Jinoru · 11-07-2009, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Neveos

Hmm, I hate doing this, but it does seem I have found the first contradiction:

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/ha...ecay_notes.jpg

This is a letter to Colette Green from LM which suggests that the "sample" was discovered by an expedition, and -not- delivered by the G-Man. This is odd since Decay was the latest installment before HL2 was released.

But I think this is acceptable, because it is well known that Decay was never allowed for PC release by Valve. I don't think Decay is considered canon because Valve did not and does not allow it for purchase from them. It was an freebie add-on to the Play-station version of "half life".

Then why bring up those docs? apparently they don't count for shi in this.

Besides it says "New Freeman guy."

kaden_sotek · 11-07-2009, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Neveos

No, there is no reference to what -year- it happened.

The year of the event has been pinned down to 2003 or 2008 (or 1997, although that one seems unlikely). As for the year of his being hired, there's just as much evidence for 2-4 months as 2-4 years, so that is completely up for interpretation. I just can't see the 2 day theory as being very likely.

mimaz98 · 11-07-2009, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by kaden_sotek

The year of the event has been pinned down to 2003 or 2008

No, it has not.

Solarmech · 11-08-2009, 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Zekiran

That was in O4 and not quite canon, but still.

Weren't the calendars all on December though? I can't remember even though I just played through hl1 again

Yep. All the calanders on the wall are on the month of December. (Two different calander textures BTW) The only time December falls into that set up is 2003 and 2008. I'm the one that dug up that info so I should know.

sm

maturin · 11-08-2009, 07:25 AM

It's a good bet that the letter meant May 5th of the same year. But Alyx's dialog, the personnel familiarity and Eli's friendship all point to a tenure of at least a few months. I don't understand the enthusiasm for the 'first day at work' thing.

In any event, the HL2 material has relevance for the characters as they exist now and thus should be considered first.

kaden_sotek · 11-08-2009, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Solarmech

Yep. All the calanders on the wall are on the month of December. (Two different calander textures BTW) The only time December falls into that set up is 2003 and 2008.

Considering the original concept had the event occurring in 2003 before going with 200-, I personally go with 2003.

CatzEyes93 · 11-08-2009, 09:33 AM

2003 would seem the most plausable so I agree. That would mean it was May 2003 that he accepted the position, and December 2003 that the event happened.

Right?

Solarmech · 11-08-2009, 11:22 AM

Actually, I would say 2008. Technology has advanced where a fair portion of the stuff at Black Mesa is being developed. Also the Osprey only went into full production in 2005. But then again in the HL universe it might have gotten into production a little faster. But in the end it really does not matter much what date the HL series occures at. sm

maturin · 11-08-2009, 12:45 PM

The U.S. government in Half-Life seems more oppressive and defense-spending-oriented than in real life. City 17 likewise seems to portray a Soviet rather than post-Soviet city, when the wall should have fallen ten years before BM.

Earth is a different place in the Half-Life saga, so such things as the manufacture dates of Ospreys are not useful indicators of the date and environment.

Neveos · 11-08-2009, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by maturin

The U.S. government in Half-Life seems more oppressive and defense-spending-oriented than in real life.

I think this is more or less based on popular superstitions within the U.S. about X-Files etc. The fact that they use the slogan "HECU" for the Marine unit, in Opposing Force, indicates that they went ahead and began partitioning themselves from a changing world. The HECU also seem to be similar in disposition to the Motley Crew type we see in Full Metal Jacket: vietnam vet types.

Their desire to, simply, shoot something to death (as some of them were led by this desire to kill civies), seems to have been experienced by a lot of us around the 90s when there was nearly world-wide stability and peace. The same phenomenon is seen in the earliest of FPS games. There was far less taboo, when the first half life came out, on whether or not Gordon was allowed to kill the innocent (but assoholic) NPCs in the game. In fact, it was seen as enjoyable. Something which is actively prohibited in the sequel during a post 9/11 world.

11-07-2009, 06:47 PM	#31
EDJE Join Date: Oct 2009 Reputation: 9 Posts: 198	http://half-life.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline Voila. This page has been completely finished, so it's pretty hard not to believe it. Gordon is sent a letter telling him he was hired by the administrator (Edit: Actually, LM is just a member of the office of the Administrator, like a secretary or something.), LM. (Who is Marc Laidlaw backwards.) on May 5. http://half-life.wikia.com/wiki/File...job_letter.jpg Gordon then starts working on May 15. On May 16, he starts the cascade. Wow. Now this leaves a whole lot more questions unanswered, like what Alyx meant when she said that Barney and Gordon would race to get Kleiners office open for him. (Or something along those lines.) Edit: Oh wait, after reading more into that letter of initiation, it mentions that Kleiner was his old professor. Perhaps Barney was a security guard there, while Gordon studied. Last edited by EDJE : 11-07-2009 at 06:53 PM.

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11-07-2009, 07:19 PM	#32
Jinoru Join Date: Aug 2009 Reputation: 53 Posts: 1,195	or Barney's just cool like that.

11-07-2009, 07:46 PM	#35
Neveos Join Date: Mar 2009 Reputation: 100 Posts: 833	Hmm, I hate doing this, but it does seem I have found the first contradiction: http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/ha...ecay_notes.jpg This is a letter to Colette Green from LM which suggests that the "sample" was discovered by an expedition, and -not- delivered by the G-Man. This is odd since Decay was the latest installment before HL2 was released. But I think this is acceptable, because it is well known that Decay was never allowed for PC release by Valve. I don't think Decay is considered canon because Valve did not and does not allow it for purchase from them. It was an freebie add-on to the Play-station version of "half life".

11-08-2009, 07:25 AM	#40
maturin Join Date: Apr 2009 Reputation: 62 Posts: 501	It's a good bet that the letter meant May 5th of the same year. But Alyx's dialog, the personnel familiarity and Eli's friendship all point to a tenure of at least a few months. I don't understand the enthusiasm for the 'first day at work' thing. In any event, the HL2 material has relevance for the characters as they exist now and thus should be considered first.

11-08-2009, 09:33 AM	#42
CatzEyes93 Join Date: Sep 2004 Reputation: 361 Posts: 3,070	2003 would seem the most plausable so I agree. That would mean it was May 2003 that he accepted the position, and December 2003 that the event happened. Right?

11-08-2009, 11:22 AM	#43
Solarmech Join Date: Jan 2007 Reputation: 164 Posts: 2,506	Actually, I would say 2008. Technology has advanced where a fair portion of the stuff at Black Mesa is being developed. Also the Osprey only went into full production in 2005. But then again in the HL universe it might have gotten into production a little faster. But in the end it really does not matter much what date the HL series occures at. sm

11-08-2009, 12:45 PM	#44
maturin Join Date: Apr 2009 Reputation: 62 Posts: 501	The U.S. government in Half-Life seems more oppressive and defense-spending-oriented than in real life. City 17 likewise seems to portray a Soviet rather than post-Soviet city, when the wall should have fallen ten years before BM. Earth is a different place in the Half-Life saga, so such things as the manufacture dates of Ospreys are not useful indicators of the date and environment.