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Old 12-25-2011, 01:57 PM   #16
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Enjoy not having fun and causing games to die out because pirates will get the games anyways, thus causing the company to go bankrupt.

They wouldn't need such harsh DRM if people actually bought the games :3c
"The pirates will get the games anyways", Exactly. DRM is useless, it only hurts the legal buyers. When did I say I don't buy games? I buy a lot of games, for example The Witcher 1 & 2 and Galactic Civilization, which are DRM FREE! Also, GOG (Good old Games) have been very successful with selling old games DRM free and are now looking to sell new games DRM free. These are the people I want to support.

Besides, if they removed SecuRom from Blood Bowl it would STILL have DRM (Steam). So there is NO reason to have it.
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Old 12-25-2011, 03:09 PM   #17
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"The pirates will get the games anyways", Exactly. DRM is useless, it only hurts the legal buyers. When did I say I don't buy games? I buy a lot of games, for example The Witcher 1 & 2 and Galactic Civilization, which are DRM FREE! Also, GOG (Good old Games) have been very successful with selling old games DRM free and are now looking to sell new games DRM free. These are the people I want to support.

Besides, if they removed SecuRom from Blood Bowl it would STILL have DRM (Steam). So there is NO reason to have it.
Too bad PC gaming is steadily becoming more irrelevant because of piracy, but enjoy making a stand by showing that gamers won't stand for anti-piracy measures!
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Old 12-25-2011, 08:48 PM   #18
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Too bad PC gaming is steadily becoming more irrelevant because of piracy, but enjoy making a stand by showing that gamers won't stand for anti-piracy measures!
Bull, piracy isn't some new phenomena, why would it affect the PC Gaming more now than it has already done in the past?

But that's off-topic, this is about DRM and DRM won't do **** against pirates. But I'm not against anti-piracy measures, there are other ways of fighting pirates than using DRM which doesn't even work in the first place.

I suggest you read this: http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/11/29/in...-not-worth-it/
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Old 12-26-2011, 06:27 PM   #19
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Enjoy not having fun and causing games to die out because pirates will get the games anyways, thus causing the company to go bankrupt.

They wouldn't need such harsh DRM if people actually bought the games :3c
Wow that is a terrible rationalization. So you're saying that Bethesda are going to go bankrupt because they didn't put extra DRM in Skyrim? After all, pirates are already stealing the game, right? Oh, wait a minute, that's completely ridiculous: http://www.afterdawn.com/news/articl...le_of_all-time. Also you should be sure and tell all the other publishers who don't use DRM that I guess they're all going to go bankrupt as well, like Activision, Runic, CDP, Re-Logic, Frictional, Square Enix, Trendy, and um... oh yeah, Valve. Too bad for them, I guess. I mean, they seem to think they're doing just fine with no DRM but little do they know they're all failing miserably, right?

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Old 03-03-2012, 04:26 PM   #20
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Enjoy not having fun and causing games to die out because pirates will get the games anyways, thus causing the company to go bankrupt.

They wouldn't need such harsh DRM if people actually bought the games :3c
Now, while I don't agree with his stance on SecuROM, this is just a rubbish reason to support DRM. It doesn't deter pirates at all. Best case scenario, they might have to wait a month before playing it. If they were pirating it anyway, that's not going to change their mind, they can pirate and play any of the hundreds of other games while they wait.

The mentality of needing harsh DRM to fight piracy has been proven wrong several times over, by the companies number3son listed.

On Topic - Would I prefer the game did not use SecuROM? Yes. Will it stop me? No, SecuROM has come a long way from the days of its release. It still has its annoyances, but it is no longer the horrible computer destroying monster it was believed to be.

Of course, everyone has a different tolerance for annoyance, and SecuROM can certainly be too much in that regard.
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Old 03-03-2012, 11:53 PM   #21
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Enjoy not having fun and causing games to die out because pirates will get the games anyways, thus causing the company to go bankrupt.
Yes, because the video game industry is in such financial decline that there's a real danger of this happening. Companies are using obnoxious DRM schemes out of efficiency not necessity. Until it becomes inefficient to do so, such as, when it alienates their userbase and decreases their sales, they will continue to do so.

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They wouldn't need such harsh DRM if people actually bought the games :3c
They don't need harsh DRM, they just put it in place because they can get away with it. There was a video game industry before DRM in spite of the potential for piracy. In the modern age of gaming it is fairly simple to get genuinely interested gamers to shell out for a game... you typically can't use multiplayer aspects with pirated copies, nor can you easily get DLC, which is why you see both becoming more popular (plus they can charge you for DLC). Pirated copies usually go to the apathetic people who don't care enough yet to buy it, so they download it and play the single-player content.

The ridiculous DRM serves only to try to force those more apathetic individuals to pay for the game in the hopes they can squeeze just a few extra dollars out of the gaming community. Certainly the pirating continues in spite of it, but is still primarily restricted to the single player content of games.
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Old 03-04-2012, 05:03 PM   #22
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As I recall, all my old dos games came with large manuals, and every once and a while it would ask me a question about a word in the manual. God help me if that page were damaged or you miscounted a word (talk about harsh). It seems to me that there were DRM almost as soon as there were games on PC. And that was before there was an internet to make the distribution of pirated games easy.

So, DRM's have been with us since the beginning, piracy is bad and there is no justification (it's not a necessity, just do something else with your life) and this game makes you do it once at the very beginning.
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