Digital Passport and NO DRM + Consumer PROTECTION !!!

[Better|Off|Dead]

If only you guys would fight as hard for free tacos for all.

How about a count to ten and put down the flame throwers.

It's the suggestions forum - not the technology holy war arena.

Cheers.

[FiatLux]

Originally Posted by KamiofLunacy

Insulting moderators isn't really that great an idea, all things considered. They hold the power here, they don't like getting insulted much, I think you get the picture I'm painting here.

In any case, I don't see how you can construct my questioning of your opinions as insulting and attacking you. Say, for example, that I am talking to someone about the existence of the tooth fairy. I postulate that the tooth fairy is nonexistent, and they counter that they believe in the tooth fairy. I then ask them why they believe in the tooth fairy.

Am I asking them a question? Yes. Am I insulting their belief in the tooth fairy? No. There's a difference between asking a question and insulting someone, and you seem to be having difficulties telling the two instances apart.

From what I've seen, the evidence seems to indicate here that you're convinced that everyone who can't see your glorious, shining idea is too slow and dim-witted to even be worth your time. As you say in your other thread:

This seems to be a fairly obvious example of the theory I stated above.



"Good" and "bad" are such opinionated and subjective terms that evaluating them is rather difficult, to say the last. Pasteurization and vaccinations are preformed for the greater good of the populace, are they not? Soldiers serve for the greater good of their country, do they not? It's hardly a "fact" that using the term "good" to justify "bad" things is common, for the reasons I've stated above. In reference to my particular previous comment, I would argue that a government having profiles of people allow the aforementioned government to more accurately predict threats to the populace as a whole, which certainly is an example of the action of a few having beneficial results for the many.

As all the way through you are simply unable to either understand or you misread what I write , anyway you simply just misrepresent what I write......

You refer to my writing in another tread as supposedly some kind of evidence of a supposedly general attitude from me while completely ignoring the fact that the guy were mocking me (or you don't have the ...... to get that ?)

Then you take something else I wrote and try to use that to misrepresent my writings too , your mathematical skills can't be to good if you do not understand basic concepts of logic and inclusions and exclusions.....
That I wrote that :
"As with respect to your statement : "kinda necessary for the greater good" , then if you had any ...... you would know that most often the excuse of "for good" is used when doing evil..... (and that's a fact!) "
is no excuse for your bable about good against evil in general as , if you would be so kind as to actually read what I wrote then you would see that I were addressing the doing evil under the guise/pretence of expressing wanting to do good and I were not generally duscussing good versus evil - I wouldn't waste my time trying to discuss that with you as that obbiously would be futile......

[shado028]

Lets stop the fighting and get back to the thread, please?

Originally Posted by FiatLux

I am frankly tired of having to buy the same thing X number of times

In referral to your CD, DVD, BluRay argument, there is a reason you have to buy things so many times. When you purchase a DVD, you are licensed to own one copy of that movie in that format. You're buying 1 DVD, not the entire movie. If you want to own the DVD, a future Blu-Ray, and the original roll of film then you're going to have to pay more, if you can find someone that will sell you that sort of thing. And besides, if everyone was entitled to free copies of Blu-Rays once they bought the DVD, why would anyone make Blu-Rays? Your idea stifles technological development and fails to take into account some major stakeholders of the industry.

It is different with software and computing, however. You buy Windows, you're licensed to install that on 1, or 3, or however many computers it says on the T&C. When you buy games, you're licensed to own a copy of that game and install it on a computer, as well as future updates.

On a final point,

Originally Posted by FiatLux

...having to pay full price for an say upscaled version of a movie from like DVD to BLURAY resolution becomes more and more meaningless...

If you believe that, then don't upgrade, problem solved. If there's no benefit to you then fine, but there is most definitely a greater value (to me) between a DVD quality movie and something @1080p. There is definitely more money invested in a Blu-Ray disc (in terms of production costs and value) than in a DVD, but if you find the "upscale" of 4.7GB to 25GB "meaningless", then howabout we just skip a few steps and go back to using Floppy disks, because USBs are pretty meaningless too.

[FiatLux]

Originally Posted by shado028

Lets stop the fighting and get back to the thread, please?



In referral to your CD, DVD, BluRay argument, there is a reason you have to buy things so many times. When you purchase a DVD, you are licensed to own one copy of that movie in that format. You're buying 1 DVD, not the entire movie. If you want to own the DVD, a future Blu-Ray, and the original roll of film then you're going to have to pay more, if you can find someone that will sell you that sort of thing. And besides, if everyone was entitled to free copies of Blu-Rays once they bought the DVD, why would anyone make Blu-Rays? Your idea stifles technological development and fails to take into account some major stakeholders of the industry.

It is different with software and computing, however. You buy Windows, you're licensed to install that on 1, or 3, or however many computers it says on the T&C. When you buy games, you're licensed to own a copy of that game and install it on a computer, as well as future updates.

On a final point,


If you believe that, then don't upgrade, problem solved. If there's no benefit to you then fine, but there is most definitely a greater value (to me) between a DVD quality movie and something @1080p. There is definitely more money invested in a Blu-Ray disc (in terms of production costs and value) than in a DVD, but if you find the "upscale" of 4.7GB to 25GB "meaningless", then howabout we just skip a few steps and go back to using Floppy disks, because USBs are pretty meaningless too.

What part of the expression "Full price" are you unable to grasp ?

[shado028]

Originally Posted by FiatLux

What part of the expression "Full price" are you unable to grasp ?

What part of "workers, technology and materials aren't free" are you unable to grasp? You bought a DVD, you get a DVD. You didn't buy a blu-ray. Thats like bringing your 2007 computer back to the store and saying "I paid for a top-of-the-line computer. I should be entitied to upgrades. Give me a free, new computer."

[chaplain_wu]

Corporations will protect consumers according to the limits of the law. They are after all going for your MONEY.

[FiatLux]

Originally Posted by shado028

What part of "workers, technology and materials aren't free" are you unable to grasp? You bought a DVD, you get a DVD. You didn't buy a blu-ray. Thats like bringing your 2007 computer back to the store and saying "I paid for a top-of-the-line computer. I should be entitied to upgrades. Give me a free, new computer."

And yet they offer upgrades to something digital like software - rather than you have to pay the full price - but I think that you are neither willing nor able to follow my thinking here.....

[Goteki-45]

Originally Posted by FiatLux

And yet they offer upgrades to something digital like software - rather than you have to pay the full price - but I think that you are neither willing nor able to follow my thinking here.....

Because your thinking is flawed. Software receives updates, which if they are given at all are only given during a certain expected lifecycle of the product and usually only if it is fiscally viable for the company that published/created the product to do so.

I have a full install license of Windows 98SE. They stopped all support for it in 2006. Does that mean I got a free upgrade to Windows 2000/XP/7? No, I had to purchase them.

[FiatLux]

Originally Posted by Goteki-45

Because your thinking is flawed. Software receives updates, which if they are given at all are only given during a certain expected lifecycle of the product and usually only if it is fiscally viable for the company that published/created the product to do so.

I have a full install license of Windows 98SE. They stopped all support for it in 2006. Does that mean I got a free upgrade to Windows 2000/XP/7? No, I had to purchase them.

As written to previous :

I think that you are neither willing nor able to follow my thinking here.....

[shado028]

Not that it matters anymore, but developers give out software updates because that's part of what you buy when you pay for the game. Even more because they realise this software isn't perfect and they can increase their customer satisfaction/future sales potential by fixing problems that are discovered post-release. Same with OSs, but not with DVDs. Not with physical objects.

Can a moderator lock/delete this please?

[ericL]

Originally Posted by Jagged Tooth

Most DRM is cracked within two days of release. After that point it can only harm legitimate customers. I'm completely for the abolishment of DRM. Steam is about all I can handle in terms of DRM.

i couldnt agree more.
I am also a anti-pirate, but the DRM isnt working, realize that ffs and move on.