Pricing is Hilarious

[xveganrox]

I bought the original PC release of Doom 3 and the its expansion when they came out in 2004 (and 2005?) and I can't help but find it hilarious that they are selling the "complete" edition eight years later for $34.99. Or you could buy RoE on Amazon for under ten dollars.

Nonsense like this is why people pirate games. If there was a quick, reasonably priced way to get this game (which is what Steam SHOULD be) I would buy it right away - but for an eight year old game, I'm not spending above $20.

In totally unrelated news I guess it's time for me to scrounge around in the attic among ancient PC games if I want to play this again...

[arisaka]

id is the one who sets the prices.

[xveganrox]

Originally Posted by arisaka

id is the one who sets the prices.

That's correct. id Software developed the games, owns the rights to them, and sets the prices. The absurd prices.

[Ghostbreed]

Originally Posted by xveganrox

In totally unrelated news I guess it's time for me to scrounge around in the attic among ancient PC games if I want to play this again...

Then please do so and stop bothering us.

[richard.eid]

Originally Posted by xveganrox

I bought the original PC release of Doom 3 and the its expansion when they came out in 2004 (and 2005?) and I can't help but find it hilarious that they are selling the "complete" edition eight years later for $34.99. Or you could buy RoE on Amazon for under ten dollars.

Nonsense like this is why people pirate games. If there was a quick, reasonably priced way to get this game (which is what Steam SHOULD be) I would buy it right away - but for an eight year old game, I'm not spending above $20.

In totally unrelated news I guess it's time for me to scrounge around in the attic among ancient PC games if I want to play this again...

Uh...the movie theater is showing Titanic 3D. It's a 15 year old movie but they're still gonna charge me full admission price to see it. Might as well sneak in? IT IS MY RIGHT TO PAY OR NOT PAY. <--Only it's not.

Your logic is severely flawed. If you don't want to pay the price for something you don't steal, you just move along without committing any sort of criminal acts. Like Ghostbreed said, go dig it out of your attic and stop blogging about how wrong id is for doing this. You also have no idea what you're talking about because the complete pack that is $35 includes Doom I, Doom II, all the expansions plus a bunch of extra level compilations, and Doom III including RoE. So it's not just two items that are included, it's more like an extra 50+ hours of gaming on top of those two items.

You wouldn't know this, of course, because you made something up out of thin air without reading anything besides a number.

[xveganrox]

Originally Posted by Ghostbreed

Then please do so and stop bothering us.

If my thread bothers you I'd appreciate you staying out of it.

Originally Posted by richard.eid

Uh...the movie theater is showing Titanic 3D. It's a 15 year old movie but they're still gonna charge me full admission price to see it. Might as well sneak in? IT IS MY RIGHT TO PAY OR NOT PAY. <--Only it's not.

Your logic is severely flawed. If you don't want to pay the price for something you don't steal, you just move along without committing any sort of criminal acts. Like Ghostbreed said, go dig it out of your attic and stop blogging about how wrong id is for doing this. You also have no idea what you're talking about because the complete pack that is $35 includes Doom I, Doom II, all the expansions plus a bunch of extra level compilations, and Doom III including RoE. So it's not just two items that are included, it's more like an extra 50+ hours of gaming on top of those two items.

You wouldn't know this, of course, because you made something up out of thin air without reading anything besides a number.

While I appreciate your humble, friendly, and rational tone I respectfully disagree.

I made Wikipedia and Amazon out of thin air, of course:

Originally Posted by Wikipedia

Doom 3: Resurrection of Evil is a first-person shooter video game developed by Nerve Software and id Software. It was released for the PC on April 3, 2005, as an expansion pack for Doom 3 and on October 5, 2005, for the Xbox video game console. The Xbox version does not require the original Doom 3 in order to play, and also includes the original Doom, Doom II: Hell on Earth, and Master Levels for Doom II.

Originally Posted by Amazon

9 used from $9.20

All that content you mentioned is available for $9.20. I've already purchased this content. I'm saying that I enjoyed it enough that I would purchase it AGAIN, for convenient access alone - but I'm barred from doing so by id's inane pricing. They're charging more for 7-17 year old content than many mainstream titles cost, and in my opinion it's ridiculous.

[MoonUNit]

Funny, I got the id Super Pack for $34.99 a while back.

Don't like the price? Either don't buy it or wait for a sale.

EDIT: I must be looking at the wrong thing. Doom Pack (Doom 1 and 2):
http://www.amazon.com/Doom-Collector...3571161&sr=1-1

Doom 3:
http://www.amazon.com/Doom-3-Pc/dp/B...d_sim_sbs_vg_6

Doom 3 RoE:
http://www.amazon.com/Doom-3-Resurre...ef=pd_sim_vg_3

All those combined is more than 35 bucks.

[richard.eid]

Sigh. You're comparing two different products and services.

Doom III RoE on 360 from a marketplace seller on Amazon isn't the same product as the Doom complete pack for PC here on Steam. You wouldn't know this, of course, because you made something up out of thin air without reading anything besides a number.

And what you're buying for $9.20 is a used optical disc whose quality you can't determine before purchase. I mean, you don't even really know if you'll be scammed or not. That seller offering the $9.20 price could just take your money and never send the product. That can't happen on Steam. The price of this used disc is also set by a random person out there and not the publisher or developer of the game. You also can't be sure that the disc will last forever. You can also damage the disc. Where does that leave you then?

With Steam, you get a better product with more content. The price of this product is set by the publisher of the product, in this case id Software. You can always be certain the files will be available for download. If you get a new computer with a new operating system, you can still play Doom whereas with the 360 version you're tied to the 360 hardware forever if you wish to enjoy that game in the future.

So, you see, you're complaining about the price of one product and its feature set because a used, completely different product with a different feature set is cheaper at a different place that isn't even a store. It's just one person selling a used DVD. But it's cheaper. So you complain.

MoonUNit: http://www.amazon.com/Doom-3-Resurre...3570945&sr=1-2

[xveganrox]

Originally Posted by richard.eid

Sigh. You're comparing two different products and services.

Doom III RoE on 360 from a marketplace seller on Amazon isn't the same product as the Doom complete pack for PC here on Steam. You wouldn't know this, of course, because you made something up out of thin air without reading anything besides a number.

And what you're buying for $9.20 is a used optical disc whose quality you can't determine before purchase. I mean, you don't even really know if you'll be scammed or not. That seller offering the $9.20 price could just take your money and never send the product. That can't happen on Steam. The price of this used disc is also set by a random person out there and not the publisher or developer of the game. You also can't be sure that the disc will last forever. You can also damage the disc. Where does that leave you then?

With Steam, you get a better product with more content. The price of this product is set by the publisher of the product, in this case id Software. You can always be certain the files will be available for download. If you get a new computer with a new operating system, you can still play Doom whereas with the 360 version you're tied to the 360 hardware forever if you wish to enjoy that game in the future.

So, you see, you're complaining about the price of one product and its feature set because a used, completely different product with a different feature set is cheaper at a different place that isn't even a store. It's just one person selling a used DVD. But it's cheaper. So you complain.

MoonUNit: http://www.amazon.com/Doom-3-Resurre...3570945&sr=1-2

Could you be any more condescending? If you'd have read the links I provided, you would see that I'm not "making things up out of thin air" (a phrase you seem terribly fond of), and that Doom III ROE on the XBOX includes all the things in the 35$ Steam pack. Thanks much.

[richard.eid]

1. You haven't provided any links at all. I think we did that for you. Furthermore, the links we've provided clearly detail the differences between the two. But alas, it seems you still haven't clicked on any of them, and if you have then you haven't been able to understand the details.

2. You are making this up out of thin air because "Doom III ROE on the XBOX includes all the things in the 35$ Steam pack" is terribly inaccurate. If you would spend just a few more minutes researching the differences, you'd see that you're getting a completely different product. Much of the content is similar, but the Steam distribution of this has a lot more content and extensibility. More than that, with the Steam distribution you have the ability to use source ports to enhance and further improve the Doom experience. And maybe I'm mistaken, but you can't download any custom content for the 360 distribution. You just get what's there and that's it.

And that only scratches the surface. So, you see, when you say these two products are the same, I don't what you're talking about. But like someone else said, if you don't like the price then wait for a sale. I think I picked up the Doom complete pack for ~$15 during a sale. I believe it's actually been cheaper than that since.

[xveganrox]

I'm not going to acknowledge the clearly and obviously false things you're saying, since you're selectively ignoring much of what I'm saying, but I do feel the need to ask about this -

Originally Posted by richard.eid

...the Steam distribution of this has a lot more content and extensibility. More than that, with the Steam distribution you have the ability to use source ports to enhance and further improve the Doom experience. And maybe I'm mistaken, but you can't download any custom content for the 360 distribution...

As far as I know, you're correct insofar as that it is difficult or impossible to use "mods" or custom WADs on console games. Are you suggesting that it is okay for id software to inflate prices based on independent, freely available content? If so, I rest my case on the absurdity of your argument.

As a side note, the next time I see it on sale for < $15 on Steam I'll certainly grab it. Until then, if I feel the desire to play it I will use other available means, for the reasons I've given above. I still find it ridiculous that a 7+ year old game is being sold above the price of many new games - not because I think the game itself lacks value (I don't; I've heartily enjoyed DIII, RoE, and D1/D2) but simply because it's accepted that as many things get older they should reduce their cost accordingly.

[mjc0961]

Originally Posted by xveganrox

I can't help but find it hilarious that they are selling the "complete" edition eight years later for $34.99.

but for an eight year old game, I'm not spending above $20.

See the contradiction here? You're not spending $35 for one game. You're spending $35 for 6 games. That's roughly $5.83 per game. And even more technically, it's 7 games (Final Doom is 2 full level packs bundled together), making it roughly $5 per game.

Originally Posted by MoonUNit

Funny, I got the id Super Pack for $34.99 a while back.

Don't like the price? Either don't buy it or wait for a sale.

EDIT: I must be looking at the wrong thing. Doom Pack (Doom 1 and 2):
http://www.amazon.com/Doom-Collector...3571161&sr=1-1

Doom 3:
http://www.amazon.com/Doom-3-Pc/dp/B...d_sim_sbs_vg_6

Doom 3 RoE:
http://www.amazon.com/Doom-3-Resurre...ef=pd_sim_vg_3

All those combined is more than 35 bucks.

You there, stop making sense. You'll shatter TC's sad little world and make him cry.

Originally Posted by xveganrox

If my thread bothers you I'd appreciate you staying out of it.

Okay then, but by that logic, if the price of games on Steam bothers you, we'd appreciate you staying off Steam. Or people can go wherever they want and post whatever they want (as long as they follow the rules) in a PUBLIC forum. You can't have both at your own leisure, so pick one: either stop telling people to leave your thread, or follow your own logic and leave this forum.

Originally Posted by xveganrox

Could you be any more condescending?

Of course. In fact, no one can be condescending enough for this thread. To be quite blunt, you have absolutely no sense of value ($35 for one game is too much, even though the bundle is actually 6 or 7 games depending on perspective?), have done absolutely no research (RoE for Xbox includes all the things in the Steam pack? Wrong, RoE on Xbox does does not include Final Doom or Doom 3), and have been blatantly lying (the links you provided? You haven't provided a single link). This thread and every post you have made it in are, to be quite frank, terrible.

[Deighvyd]

Originally Posted by mjc0961

See the contradiction here? You're not spending $35 for one game. You're spending $35 for 6 games. That's roughly $5.83 per game. And even more technically, it's 7 games (Final Doom is 2 full level packs bundled together), making it roughly $5 per game.

You there, stop making sense. You'll shatter TC's sad little world and make him cry.

Okay then, but by that logic, if the price of games on Steam bothers you, we'd appreciate you staying off Steam. Or people can go wherever they want and post whatever they want (as long as they follow the rules) in a PUBLIC forum. You can't have both at your own leisure, so pick one: either stop telling people to leave your thread, or follow your own logic and leave this forum.

Of course. In fact, no one can be condescending enough for this thread. To be quite blunt, you have absolutely no sense of value ($35 for one game is too much, even though the bundle is actually 6 or 7 games depending on perspective?), have done absolutely no research (RoE for Xbox includes all the things in the Steam pack? Wrong, RoE on Xbox does does not include Final Doom or Doom 3), and have been blatantly lying (the links you provided? You haven't provided a single link). This thread and every post you have made it in are, to be quite frank, terrible.

Makin' me all warm 'n fuzzy inside.

+rep

[sonsonate]

"And what you're buying for $9.20 is a used optical disc whose quality you can't determine before purchase. I mean, you don't even really know if you'll be scammed or not. That seller offering the $9.20 price could just take your money and never send the product. That can't happen on Steam. The price of this used disc is also set by a random person out there and not the publisher or developer of the game. You also can't be sure that the disc will last forever. You can also damage the disc. Where does that leave you then?"

Yeah, you know, for someone with that many posts, I would have avoided this argument like plague. Both sides sound silly.

For one, if you get scammed as a seller or buyer on Amazon, you can file a claim. I've done this and I've also contacted sellers when things went awry and I've had my money fully refunded, got to keep the product (eg: Fallout 3 with used key) and make do with what I got (use a Gears of War key to play) -- or just try again and buy from someone else (bought again).

Discs scratched? I've never had that happen to the point where it can't be read in all my years unless it was on purpose. Once when my daughter figured out how to open my disc drive and put in her own music CDs and another time when the game I got was such utter crap I scratched it with a knife.

In regards to the price sure the price is set by said random person, but you could decide whether or not to buy it. Usually, the prices aren't too far off the modal price. If it's especially low, the person's either used the key, damaged, or lost something important that devalues the item.

I like to buy from Steam. I like to buy from Amazon. There have been times where Steam (well, there are plenty of games that are way expensive on Steam compared to retail) was more pricey than retail and I went that route. No need to go off the deep end, just buy it retail or wait for a Steam sale. Also no need to jump all over the guy for saying something is cheaper at XYZ Store -- it happens.

Lol.

[richard.eid]

OK, so you get your money refunded. Now what is your next cheapest option? Is it still $9.20? What if the next one you buy ends up not being satisfactory and you require a refund for that, too? Then what is your next cheapest option? You may have never been burned like this, but I have. And so have plenty of other people. Also consider what your time may be worth. I'm sure there may be a little inflation in the price due to the convenience factor that Steam offers, but I'd say it's worth it. I'd never have to worry about a refund because the product didn't come exactly as described.

But I don't know who went off the deep end. The guy created this thread with a condescending tone and he was replied to in kind. He was so sure of himself that one product cost $9.20 while another product he thought was exactly the same cost a lot more. I tried to point out that he didn't read the listing properly and he came back with more of the same. So, you know...it gets frustrating trying to inform people that don't listen and you really have no choice but to repeat yourself.