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Old 10-03-2010, 05:50 AM   #16
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I know nothing about a Windows image discs as i have never done one so this may be nonsense.

Could you install Windows on the HD with drivers ect, create an image using software (dont know what to recommended but iv'e seen them) then put the image on the SSD and try to boot up?

Glad i went for a Corsair SSD almost bought an OCZ one, AHCI seems to work with them.
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Old 10-03-2010, 07:44 AM   #17
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Trying to install either Windows 7 or Ubuntu 10.4 (both x64) on an Acer Aspire 5100
Try to install Ubuntu with NCQ disabled. To disable NCQ, add "libata.force=noncq" to boot options.

This link explains it in more detail (2nd workaround): https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AspireTimeline/Fixes

If it works, then you'll have to figure out how to disable NCQ in Windows.
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Old 10-03-2010, 02:37 PM   #18
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Could you install Windows on the HD with drivers ect, create an image using software (dont know what to recommended but iv'e seen them) then put the image on the SSD and try to boot up?
I tried taking the ssd with windows installed from the desktop to the laptop- didn't even recognize it as a bootable drive

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Try to install Ubuntu with NCQ disabled. To disable NCQ, add "libata.force=noncq" to boot options.
I'm redownloading the x64 10.4 right now, but the issue I had was not being able to format the drive for ext4
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Old 10-03-2010, 04:33 PM   #19
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Got a new ScreenShot up.

Couldn't figure out how to disable NCQ without already having grub installed.
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Old 10-03-2010, 10:04 PM   #20
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I think it seems more like you have a faulty drive that an architectural problem with OCZ drives.

The paper referenced is a bit dated and I'm not sure it applies to current drives.

I use a Vertex 120 GB (Indilinx Barefoot) drive in my laptop (AHCI)with no issues and great performance.

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Old 10-04-2010, 12:22 AM   #21
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Not so sure it's a problem with OCZ as much as it is with the hardware inside the SSD. I'm sure you caught the link to that setup PDF in the other thread.




Taken from the OCZ SSD Setup PDF

Basically, don't use AHCI for SSD's.
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old 2 year old info is for old drives

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Official word on AHCI support in Vertex SSD ?

This looks old, and Im wondering if this is still the official stance by OCZ, on the Gen 2 type SSD's specifically the Vertex SSD's
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Tony "OCZ SSD" Tiger
....

Thats old Core and Apex info you have there
I seriously doubt that AHCI mode is your problem at all....maybe your drive just needs a firmware update http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/fo...-1.6-FW-Update
...or there could be something else that is causing Win7 not to install
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Old 10-04-2010, 11:06 AM   #22
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Drive has latest Firmware, 1.6, and I've already returned it for an identical drive at Micro Center. Chances of getting two bad drives that just don't install on my laptop?
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Old 10-04-2010, 02:51 PM   #23
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very high if the drives are from the same batch..
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Old 10-04-2010, 04:56 PM   #24
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Couldn't figure out how to disable NCQ without already having grub installed.
When booting from a CD you can press "F6 Other Options" on the boot screen, then ESC to close the menu that appears, then type "libata.force=noncq" at the end of "Boot Options" line.

You can also turn off NCQ later from the desktop. Start a terminal (Applications->Accessories->Terminal), type "sudo su" to get a root prompt, then type:

echo 1 > /sys/block/sda/device/queue_depth

assuming sda is your SSD drive. You can experiment with other queue depths too (it's between 1 and 31). If you get "Permission error", then NCQ is not supported.

If you still can't format the drive, output of "dmesg" and "smartctl -a /dev/sda" commands could be useful to determine the cause.
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Old 10-05-2010, 10:15 PM   #25
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Still couldn't format after adding "libata.force=noncq" and running the queue_depth acommand as root returned "Permission Denied"

I imagine you're looking for some sort of system information from dmesg. Gathered what I thought was prudent.

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sata_sil 0000:00:12.0: version 2.4
scsi0 : sata_sil
scsi1 : sata_sil
ata1: SATA max UDMA/100 mmio m512@0xf0507000 tf 0xf0507080 irq 22
ata2: SATA max UDMA/100 mmio m512@0xf0507000 tf 0xf05070c0 irq 22
scsi2 : pata_atiixp
scsi3 : pata_atiixp
acpi device:24: registered as cooling_device2
input: Video Bus as /devices/LNXSYSTM:00/LNXSYBUS:00/PNP0A03:00/device:22/LNXVIDEO:00/input/input6
ACPI: Video Device [VGA] (multi-head: yes rom: no post: no)
ata1: SATA link up 1.5 Gbps (SStatus 113 SControl 310)
ata1.00: ATA-8: OCZ-ONYX, 1.6, max UDMA/133
ata1.00: 62533296 sectors, multi 1: LBA48 NCQ (depth 0/32)
ata1.00: configured for UDMA/100
scsi 0:0:0:0: Direct-Access ATA OCZ-ONYX 1.6 PQ: 0 ANSI: 5
sd 0:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg0 type 0
sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] 62533296 512-byte logical blocks: (32.0 GB/29.8 GiB)
sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Write Protect is off
sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Mode Sense: 00 3a 00 00
sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Write cache: enabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA
sda: sda1 sda2 < sda5 >
sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Attached SCSI disk
ata3: PATA max UDMA/100 cmd 0x1f0 ctl 0x3f6 bmdma 0x8420 irq 14
ata4: PATA max UDMA/100 cmd 0x170 ctl 0x376 bmdma 0x8428 irq 15
ata2: SATA link down (SStatus 0 SControl 310)
ata3.00: ATAPI: MATADVD-RAM UJ-850S, 1.20, max UDMA/33
ata3.00: configured for UDMA/33
scsi 2:0:0:0: CD-ROM MATA DVD-RAM UJ-850S 1.20 PQ: 0 ANSI: 5
From smartctl:

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Device Model: OCZ-ONYX
Serial Number: NE3K707QUF463B168ZH9
Firmware Version: 1.6
User Capacity: 32,017,047,552 bytes
Device is: Not in smartctl database [for details use: -P showall]
ATA Version is: 8
ATA Standard is: Exact ATA specification draft version not indicated
Local Time is: Wed Oct 6 03:31:13 2010 UTC
SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
SMART support is: Enabled
Let me know if you need anything else.
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Old 10-06-2010, 06:17 AM   #26
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I imagine you're looking for some sort of system information from dmesg. Gathered what I thought was prudent.
Actually I was curious if there are any suspicious messages or errors, but still there is some important information here. The controller is handled by sata_sil module, not sata_sil24, so this is an older Sillicon Image chipset that does not support TCQ/NCQ and looks like an IDE. So I guess you have no AHCI in BIOS because it is simply not an AHCI controller

So the whole NCQ/AHCI thing is not the problem.

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From smartctl:
The command was "smartctl -a", the "-a" argument is important because it shows all SMART information, including attributes and error log.

If the drive itself is failing there should be some information about the failure in SMART attributes and log. If the controller or communication with the drive is failing, there should be errors in the system log (like DMA errors, SATA link problems, IRQ problems). If there are no errors anywhere, it probably means the drive is returning wrong or stale data.
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Old 10-06-2010, 11:03 PM   #27
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This is the rest of the output after what I already posted from the smartctl command.
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=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED
See vendor-specific Attribute list for marginal Attributes.

General SMART Values:

Offline data collection status: (0x00) Offline data collection activity was never started.

Auto Offline Data Collection: Disabled.

Self-test execution status: ( 0) The previous self-test routine completed without error or no self-test has ever been run.

Total time to complete Offline data collection: ( 0) seconds.

Offline data collection capabilities: (0x1d) SMART execute Offline immediate.

No Auto Offline data collection support.

Abort Offline collection upon new command.

Offline surface scan supported.

Self-test supported.

No Conveyance Self-test supported.

No Selective Self-test supported.

SMART capabilities: (0x0003) Saves SMART data before entering power-saving mode.

Supports SMART auto save timer.

Error logging capability: (0x00) Error logging NOT supported.

General Purpose Logging supported.

Short self-test routine recommended polling time: ( 0) minutes.

Extended self-test routine recommended polling time: ( 0) minutes.

SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 16
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x0000 007 000 000 Old_age Offline In_the_past 0
9 Power_On_Hours 0x0000 003 000 000 Old_age Offline In_the_past 0
12 Power_Cycle_Count 0x0000 046 000 000 Old_age Offline In_the_past 0
184 Unknown_Attribute 0x0000 027 000 000 Old_age Offline In_the_past 0
195 Hardware_ECC_Recovered 0x0000 000 000 000 Old_age Offline FAILING_NOW 0
196 Reallocated_Event_Count 0x0000 000 000 000 Old_age Offline FAILING_NOW 0
197 Current_Pending_Sector 0x0000 000 000 000 Old_age Offline FAILING_NOW 0
198 Offline_Uncorrectable 0x0000 147 046 000 Old_age Offline - 298
199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count 0x0000 108 097 000 Old_age Offline - 1020
200 Multi_Zone_Error_Rate 0x0000 092 050 000 Old_age Offline - 5
201 Soft_Read_Error_Rate 0x0000 250 213 000 Old_age Offline - 6
202 TA_Increase_Count 0x0000 208 035 000 Old_age Offline - 0
203 Run_Out_Cancel 0x0000 044 035 000 Old_age Offline - 0
204 Shock_Count_Write_Opern 0x0000 000 000 000 Old_age Offline FAILING_NOW 0
205 Shock_Rate_Write_Opern 0x0000 136 019 000 Old_age Offline - 0
206 Flying_Height 0x0000 001 000 000 Old_age Offline In_the_past 0
207 Spin_High_Current 0x0000 151 000 000 Old_age Offline In_the_past 0
208 Spin_Buzz 0x0000 004 000 000 Old_age Offline In_the_past 0
209 Offline_Seek_Performnce 0x0000 100 000 000 Old_age Offline In_the_past 0
211 Unknown_Attribute 0x0000 000 000 000 Old_age Offline FAILING_NOW 0
212 Unknown_Attribute 0x0000 000 000 000 Old_age Offline FAILING_NOW 0
213 Unknown_Attribute 0x0000 000 000 000 Old_age Offline FAILING_NOW 0

Warning: device does not support Error Logging
Warning! SMART ATA Error Log Structure error: invalid SMART checksum.
SMART Error Log Version: 1
No Errors Logged

Warning! SMART Self-Test Log Structure error: invalid SMART checksum.
SMART Self-test log structure revision number 1
No self-tests have been logged. [To run self-tests, use: smartctl -t]


Device does not support Selective Self Tests/Logging
I want to thank you for being so helpful, I honestly didn't expect this intimate of support from SPUF

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Old 10-09-2010, 11:06 AM   #28
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This is the rest of the output after what I already posted from the smartctl command.
It seems the version of smartmontools is too old to correctly interpret the data. Anyway, looking in the drive db here:

http://smartmontools.svn.sourceforge...76&view=markup

... and assuming your drive is based on Indilinx chipset, we can tell that the drive's life is probably 3 hours, it has 39 initial bad blocks (don't worry, this is normal), remaining life time is at 100%, there were many reads and writes but no read/write/erase failures, no SATA errors, in other words the drive thinks it is healthy and working fine.

Maybe it is reading and writing correctly, but using wrong sectors? Why would it do that on one computer but not on another? I don't know any software that can test for misdirected reads and writes.

Does the BIOS send some commands to the drive that seriously confuses it? It can be tested by connecting the drive after the computer booted. To trigger drive detection in Linux do:
for i in /sys/class/scsi_host/host*/scan; do echo '- - -' >$i; done

Does the noisy, hot environment and poor power supply, as is often the case with laptops, makes the drive misbehave is such a peculiar way? Why doesn't it affect other drive functions? It can be tested by connecting the drive outside of the laptop using a SATA cable and external power supply.

Anyway, hardware problems seem quite unlikely at this point.

Are there no errors in "dmesg" log? You still haven't said that "no, there are no errors".

Is the partition table sane, that is: no overlapping partitions, no partitions outside of available space? Can you post output of "fdisk -l -u /dev/sda" ?
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Old 04-30-2012, 03:27 AM   #29
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So, 6inger|3read, have you solved your problem? I have exactly same problem with installing win7 to SSD-HDD in my acer aspire 5110, and can't find out how to do this correctly.
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Old 04-30-2012, 06:08 AM   #30
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Necropost alert.

This topic is 18 months old dude, i think you'll get a better response if you create a new topic
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