option to give away games you have never installed

dachshundfan · 05-07-2012, 02:05 PM

i think there should be an option to give away games you have never installed. i have a few games ive never touched because i got them in a pack, and buying the pack was cheaper than buying just the games i wanted. for example, i bought the gothic game pack on sale one day and i dont want that POS gothic 4, but i want to keep gothic 1 and 2. ive never even installed gothic 4, so i think i should be able to give it to a friend.

occono · 05-07-2012, 02:42 PM

You might get it removed from your Library, but not be able to make it giftable.

I've learned to live with the fact that garbage will inevitably fill a chunk of my Steam Library.

paratech2008 · 05-07-2012, 02:45 PM

That's not how packs work, people would buy packs to sell them individually after the sale is over.

azzonie · 05-07-2012, 02:49 PM

First off...both my daughter and I have dachshunds. Second off almost all publishers these days do not want you to be able to sell or transfer any of your games. That is why new console games come with an on-line pass that activates your XBOX for on-line play. Put the disc in your brothers XBOX and you can not go on-line with it. Unlike anything else you buy software vendors want special treatment. It would be like buying a car but without the ability to resale it. It should be illegal but as of now it is a trend that is catching on because our courts are filled with 75 year old judges that have never used email. They have no understanding of the industry.

You can sell a used CD, DVD or book but the software industry is trying to make resale of used software impossible and they are gaining momentum.

Stressthesky · 05-08-2012, 09:25 AM

Gamersgate gives you the option to gift away games that you haven't installed, so technically it's a possibility. But I don't think it will happen.

GirlPower23 · 05-08-2012, 09:51 AM

@Op, The idea would be heavily abused.

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Originally Posted by azzonie

You can sell a used CD, DVD or book but the software industry is trying to make resale of used software impossible and they are gaining momentum.

Digital Music, Movies and Books follow the same thing as Digital Games. Thus you won't be selling anything when physical media all but disappears.

NuclearKangaroo · 05-08-2012, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by azzonie

First off...both my daughter and I have dachshunds. Second off almost all publishers these days do not want you to be able to sell or transfer any of your games. That is why new console games come with an on-line pass that activates your XBOX for on-line play. Put the disc in your brothers XBOX and you can not go on-line with it. Unlike anything else you buy software vendors want special treatment. It would be like buying a car but without the ability to resale it. It should be illegal but as of now it is a trend that is catching on because our courts are filled with 75 year old judges that have never used email. They have no understanding of the industry.

You can sell a used CD, DVD or book but the software industry is trying to make resale of used software impossible and they are gaining momentum.

software LISCENSES are a different thing from hard copies, and as such i dont mind these restrictions, online activation for CD copies of games is bull♥♥♥♥ though

ChrisW · 05-08-2012, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by azzonie

Unlike anything else you buy software vendors want special treatment. It would be like buying a car but without the ability to resale it. It should be illegal but as of now it is a trend that is catching on because our courts are filled with 75 year old judges that have never used email. They have no understanding of the industry.

Digital software is not the same thing as a car. A car deteriorates over time. If you purchase a used car, you are taking a risk and are not purchasing the same thing the original buyer purchased. Digital games never deteriorate over time and there would be no risk in purchasing a used game. If they allowed you to purchase used digital games, they would only sell like one hundred copies and those would just get passed around to everybody, thus these game developers would go broke and these games would never be made in the first place.

stinkytaco · 05-08-2012, 12:24 PM

Take a quick look at the capitalist operation manual.

You will notice there is no :
Give
Share
Help
Humanity
Fairness
Charity

Only things to make money/

Anarchisteve · 05-08-2012, 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stinkytaco

Take a quick look at the capitalist operation manual.

You will notice there is no :
Give
Share
Help
Humanity
Fairness
Charity

Only things to make money/

I really want to rep you but I've given too much recently. IOU +rep.

crunchyfrog555 · 05-08-2012, 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anarchisteve

I really want to rep you but I've given too much recently. IOU +rep.

I will though

azzonie · 05-08-2012, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisW

Digital software is not the same thing as a car. A car deteriorates over time. If you purchase a used car, you are taking a risk and are not purchasing the same thing the original buyer purchased. Digital games never deteriorate over time and there would be no risk in purchasing a used game. If they allowed you to purchase used digital games, they would only sell like one hundred copies and those would just get passed around to everybody, thus these game developers would go broke and these games would never be made in the first place.

Car was a bad anology. How about books, DVD's and CD's? You can resale them. Digital games get old and no one wants to play them at some point so your point is lacking a little. As it stands now hundreds of business make money of resale of used games. The software industry is trying to stop that by making their games play on just one console even if you own more then one console. It is crap and I am surprised any consumer would think it is ok. WHat about a haqmmer, they don't normally wear out either.

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Originally Posted by NuclearKangaroo

software LISCENSES are a different thing from hard copies, and as such i dont mind these restrictions, online activation for CD copies of games is bull♥♥♥♥ though

A CD or DVD is the same as a hard copy. They are making it so the hard copy self destructs after you use it. The fact that you decided to digitaly download instead of going to the store for a hard copy should make no differance. You are simply choosing a deleivery method. If you could download a pizza you might choose that for a delivery method also. Digital works can be delivered over an internet connection but that should not single them out for special treatment.

ChrisW · 05-08-2012, 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by azzonie

Car was a bad anology. How about books, DVD's and CD's? You can resale them.

Those are still risks. Disks get scratched over time. You are taking a risk purchasing those as they may not be readable and you don't know how much longer they will last. Books can also wear out over time. Digital goods are good forever and there would never be any risk in purchasing that used.

The only way I could see them allowing you to resale digital goods is if they did something to decrease it's value over time. Perhaps make game items wear out over time and break. Maybe the next person would have to continue where the previous person left off.

azzonie · 05-08-2012, 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisW

Those are still risks. Disks get scratched over time. You are taking a risk purchasing those as they may not be readable and you don't know how much longer they will last. Books can also wear out over time. Digital goods are good forever and there would never be any risk in purchasing that used.

The only way I could see them allowing you to resale digital goods is if they did something to decrease it's value over time. Perhaps make game items wear out over time and break. Maybe the next person would have to continue where the previous person left off.

Its value does decrease over time. Is a new game going for the same price as an old game? Not even close. Most games drop by 50% or more after the first year.

I don't understand why people accept this. It has to be brainwashing. Seriously go to http://cyberlawcases.com/ and do some reading. A lot of lawyers are confused by our courts decisions to this point and are working hard to reverse some of these decisions. Most only happen because of all the money they lobby congress with. Basicly they are paying off our legal system to get rights that none others have. Money set OJ free and it is now eleminating what should be a basic right, selling your property. I am not going to disect there code, ie manufacturing process.

A hammer does not really wear out and does it's job for many many years. Should they make it so it breaks after a few years or create laws so you can be sude if you try to sell it?

Also CD and DVD are subject to damage. IDK why you assume everything is digitaly downloaded. Also you can make copies of CD's and DVD's, you can rip them to your devices if you want.

majoraustin5 · 05-08-2012, 03:17 PM

i would be happy to do this under a few specific rules
1. if its a store baught game, you get 50% of the price that you bought it to be used on different games (on steam store).
2. if it were activated from a key but not used it is worth only %25 for use in steam games (leads to problems w/ bundles
3. mabey if you return an unused game it can only be used for games by the same dev and/or the same publishes

just my idea.

05-07-2012, 02:05 PM	#1
dachshundfan Join Date: Mar 2010 Reputation: 476 Posts: 459	option to give away games you have never installed i think there should be an option to give away games you have never installed. i have a few games ive never touched because i got them in a pack, and buying the pack was cheaper than buying just the games i wanted. for example, i bought the gothic game pack on sale one day and i dont want that POS gothic 4, but i want to keep gothic 1 and 2. ive never even installed gothic 4, so i think i should be able to give it to a friend.

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05-07-2012, 02:42 PM	#2
occono Join Date: Dec 2010 Reputation: 37 Posts: 515	You might get it removed from your Library, but not be able to make it giftable. I've learned to live with the fact that garbage will inevitably fill a chunk of my Steam Library.

05-07-2012, 02:45 PM	#3
paratech2008 Join Date: May 2009 Reputation: 1021 Posts: 6,137	That's not how packs work, people would buy packs to sell them individually after the sale is over.

05-07-2012, 02:49 PM	#4
azzonie Join Date: Dec 2003 Reputation: 387 Posts: 3,549	First off...both my daughter and I have dachshunds. Second off almost all publishers these days do not want you to be able to sell or transfer any of your games. That is why new console games come with an on-line pass that activates your XBOX for on-line play. Put the disc in your brothers XBOX and you can not go on-line with it. Unlike anything else you buy software vendors want special treatment. It would be like buying a car but without the ability to resale it. It should be illegal but as of now it is a trend that is catching on because our courts are filled with 75 year old judges that have never used email. They have no understanding of the industry. You can sell a used CD, DVD or book but the software industry is trying to make resale of used software impossible and they are gaining momentum.

05-08-2012, 09:25 AM	#5
Stressthesky Join Date: Jan 2011 Reputation: 290 Posts: 676	Gamersgate gives you the option to gift away games that you haven't installed, so technically it's a possibility. But I don't think it will happen.

05-08-2012, 12:24 PM	#9
stinkytaco Banned Join Date: Dec 2009 Reputation: 690 Posts: 1,387	Take a quick look at the capitalist operation manual. You will notice there is no : Give Share Help Humanity Fairness Charity Only things to make money/

05-08-2012, 03:17 PM	#15
majoraustin5 Join Date: Dec 2011 Reputation: 30 Posts: 133	i would be happy to do this under a few specific rules 1. if its a store baught game, you get 50% of the price that you bought it to be used on different games (on steam store). 2. if it were activated from a key but not used it is worth only %25 for use in steam games (leads to problems w/ bundles 3. mabey if you return an unused game it can only be used for games by the same dev and/or the same publishes just my idea.