I don't think VAC works

[Misguided]

Originally Posted by NabsterHax

I'd just like to say that this is a ridiculous statement. You have no evidence of your claim that most cheaters use privately coded cheats.

VAC does work as a deterrent to those who don't know how to code their own cheats. Everyone knows it doesn't catch private cheats, but that doesn't mean everyone can create their own private cheats.

Without VAC, servers would be full to the brim with "download-and-go" cheats.

private cheats are paid cheats. You don't need to code, just be willing to pay a small fee per-month.

Originally Posted by alexryden

There is also the fact that, as several people have mentioned, VAC is not supposed to be the only thing stopping cheaters. Server administrators are supposed to serve as a first line of defense, with VAC preventing them form coming back. MW3 does not use administrators, which means there is no one policing the games and looking for people who might be using hard to find hacks.

If server admins are supposed to be the front line and VAC can take upto 2-4 weeks to ban players, what is the point of having VAC. Even if VAC were to catch EVERY CHEATER, most likely they would already of been banned by servers.

VAC and server admins do not co-ordinate in anyway and one masks the other effectiveness.

[MartinKhan]

Originally Posted by Misguided

private cheats are paid cheats. You don't need to code, just be willing to pay a small fee per-month.



If server admins are supposed to be the front line and VAC can take upto 2-4 weeks to ban players, what is the point of having VAC. Even if VAC were to catch EVERY CHEATER, most likely they would already of been banned by servers.

VAC and server admins do not co-ordinate in anyway and one masks the other effectiveness.

Admin bans the cheater from their server. Later, VAC bans the cheater from every secure server. Even the ones without admins. That's how it works. If they only relied on admins to ban the cheaters, it wouldn't work as well. Admins can't be policing the servers 24/7, and even if some servers have at least an admin at all times, the huge number of cheaters there would be without VAC would be huge.

[TrippleD]

Originally Posted by MartinKhan

Admin bans the cheater from their server. Later, VAC bans the cheater from every secure server. Even the ones without admins. That's how it works. If they only relied on admins to ban the cheaters, it wouldn't work as well. Admins can't be policing the servers 24/7, and even if some servers have at least an admin at all times, the huge number of cheaters there would be without VAC would be huge.

Correct.

[Misguided]

Originally Posted by MartinKhan

Admin bans the cheater from their server. Later, VAC bans the cheater from every secure server. Even the ones without admins. That's how it works. If they only relied on admins to ban the cheaters, it wouldn't work as well. Admins can't be policing the servers 24/7, and even if some servers have at least an admin at all times, the huge number of cheaters there would be without VAC would be huge.

Wait, what.. so I guess MW3 should be clear of cheaters because VAC has banned them?

of course this isn't happening, because VAC doesn't catch private cheats and that is what the majority use. I wish people would stop attributing VAC greatness when MW3 shows exactly how useless it is.

Yes MW3 should have dedicated servers, but it doesn't and it only goes to show how impotent VAC really is.

[Tito Shivan]

Can you elaborate what kind of logic converts this premise:

Originally Posted by MartinKhan

Admin bans the cheater from their server. Later, VAC bans the cheater from every secure server. Even the ones without admins. That's how it works.

Into this conclussion:

Originally Posted by Misguided

Wait, what.. so I guess MW3 should be clear of cheaters because VAC has banned them?

I'm really baffled at that train of thought.

[IcePOP4wHO]

i think you just found your epiphany: switch to consoles or deal with cheaters.

i rather deal with cheaters because they still better than playing on the pathetic attempts at graphics on consoles. cheaters you have to deal with every few games or so, but terrible graphics you have to deal with ALL THE TIME.

[Dendari]

There is no perfect anti-cheat utility out there, the best "weapon" against the hackers are the active admins. If VAC didn't actually work then there shouldn't be any banned cheater.

[Satoru]

As a tool to keep banned users out of the ecosystem it is highly effective.

In it's role in detecting cheaters it's about as effective as most other tools are given the significant disadvantage all such detection tools have, given they must run on what is a 100% un trustworthy platform.

[bukkit]

it doesn't work. i woke up with a vac ban this morning. i haven't played tf2 more than 8 hours the past two weeks, and that was to idle. the only thing i used recently was msi afterburner with stealth mode on which i read doesnt cause vac bans. i used it with two accounts, one to test settings on and the other to make videos and both of them are now vac banned. steam support said it was a legitimate ban. if it wasn't msi afterburner than it was a mistake that they don't care about fixing.

[kakkerlak]

no need to focus on 8 hours in two weeks it is beside the point.
delayed banning.

[SavageWolfFrog]

Originally Posted by bukkit

it doesn't work. i woke up with a vac ban this morning. i haven't played tf2 more than 8 hours the past two weeks, and that was to idle. the only thing i used recently was msi afterburner with stealth mode on which i read doesnt cause vac bans. i used it with two accounts, one to test settings on and the other to make videos and both of them are now vac banned. steam support said it was a legitimate ban. if it wasn't msi afterburner than it was a mistake that they don't care about fixing.

1st clue to his being a cheater = badly worded post.

That is all.

(this does not mean all illiterates are cheaters just that most cheaters are illiterates.

[Tito Shivan]

Originally Posted by SavageWolfFrog

1st clue to his being a cheater = badly worded post.

That is all.

(this does not mean all illiterates are cheaters just that most cheaters are illiterates.

To be honest, that's a very weak clue.
It draws more my attention seeing on his profile both the Source SDK and Source Dedicated server, both always appearing in the tipical TF2 cheater arsenal...

Not that it implies anything, but it's curious to me.

[NabsterHax]

Originally Posted by Misguided

Wait, what.. so I guess MW3 should be clear of cheaters because VAC has banned them?

of course this isn't happening, because VAC doesn't catch private cheats and that is what the majority use. I wish people would stop attributing VAC greatness when MW3 shows exactly how useless it is.

Yes MW3 should have dedicated servers, but it doesn't and it only goes to show how impotent VAC really is.

I don't understand how you cannot comprehend the idea of VAC being a deterrent to MOST people and that it bans MOST cheaters.

The only thing MW3 shows for certain is that non-administrated servers with VAC will have a higher volume of visible cheaters than a game with dedicated servers and VAC.

The only way to test the true effectiveness of VAC is to compare a game that is identical in every way other than use of VAC.

Also, truly private cheats cannot be obtained by the PUBLIC through paying. The only way to keep a cheat completely safe from VAC is to not release it to anyone who might send it to Valve.

[Jordax142]

Originally Posted by bukkit

it doesn't work. i woke up with a vac ban this morning. i haven't played tf2 more than 8 hours the past two weeks, and that was to idle. the only thing i used recently was msi afterburner with stealth mode on which i read doesnt cause vac bans. i used it with two accounts, one to test settings on and the other to make videos and both of them are now vac banned. steam support said it was a legitimate ban. if it wasn't msi afterburner than it was a mistake that they don't care about fixing.

Ahem, let me repost evidience why you got VAC'd.
Link to the original post, with links to more evidience.

Originally Posted by Jordax142

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Originally Posted by bukkit
giving up tf2 forever because after having 8 hours of play time the last two weeks for tf2, idled one night, i woke up with a manual vac ban for no reason. i haven't played tf2 in weeks. i'm trying to see if steam support will fix this mistake, most likely won't but i don't care. bored with online gaming anyway.
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Oh, what , are you playing innocent now?
Well, I have some evidience that you are guilty as sin of, for the offenses where you were booked for.
Lemme show all the evidience<- Reading Music

First of all, my attention came upon you by reading this post from Facepunch, in the 'TF2 Annoyance thread'.

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Originally Posted by Samuka97 (Facepunch)
Well, here's my wall of text I guess. So a week or so back, I was playing on Jerma's server when suddenly screaming noises. Very loud, distorted and clipped screaming noises. Turns out there was a player named "GABEN" emmiting the noises. Not even through his mic, actual ingame sounds you can't mute. So I watch this guy for a while, only to see him zoom past everything and everyone in a blink, magically headshotting, backstabbing and minigunning everyone on the other team. So everyone just has the natural reaction of "oh no, it's a hacker!", but we can't do anything since the server didn't have voteban or kick.

He then goes on and on about how he's best friends with a super leet hacker, and how he's never going to get VAC banned because he has a private hack with modified bytes to fool VAC, because it's very easy. I then just say to him that it isn't, and he'll get banned in just a matter of time. He then goes on and on about how he understands about computer hacking and blah blah blah while he massacres everyone. I just drop off the server and send a message to Jerma reporting him, and go on my way to school.

So anyways, after some time I go play TF2 again only to get this guy stalk and spam the hell out of me being all "LOL UMAD? YNOVACBAN? I'M SO GOOD YOU CAN'T HANDLE MY SKILLS". And now, he's going around spamming how I'm a scammer and hacker on rep sites and whatnot. And the most annoying part is how obvious he makes that he's a hacker, but he gets nothing for it. Seriously, look at these: (Pictures from your bannned account).
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You then left comments on his Steam account, taunting over the fact that you were not VAC'd yet.
You also stalked other players who reported you, in their games, to ruin their time playing this game.

Now, onto the screenshots.
They can be followed here. You can see by the custom url that he is a very mature person.

And this here is the banned account in question.
The comments from himself really show the kid's a winner.
It is 13 pages about him taunting and offend everyone who is threatening to VAC him.

And oh, hey, you are trying now to hack on your other account.

I citate this from your banned profile:

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Originally Posted by GABEN
it was either a manual vac ban or msi afterburner kid, this hack isn't detected. if it was, this account would've been banned too. derp. use your head.
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Good to know, also a offense to send another ban your way.

You have been booked and banned for the following offenses:
- User Misconduct (Stalking other players and ruin their games by hacking)
- Offensive Text (Comments where you call other users pinkhearts. What else do I have to say, you are a horrible person. We weren't even testing for that)
- Cheating (Including Speedhacks, Crithacks and Aimbots)
- Ban Evading (You are going to do this again on your other account)

So, if you do not mind me, I am going to send another report on you. You can thank me later.

And to finish this off, I also reported your former account, with all the offenses listened.
You are not mature enough to be in this community, please leave.

[GDL]

Originally Posted by Jordax142

Ahem, let me repost evidience why you got VAC'd.

& that gets the rep.