VAC in my opinion is unfair and illogical

[TIHb]

Originally Posted by Heisterburg

Well, let's take a look around and see if the public wants VAC to be changed so that people using "Cheat-o-matic" won't get VAC banned.

You know, upon looking at all the other posts they appear to be fine with people getting VAC banned for using cheat-o-matic.

They are all comfortable until get banned for some stupid reason. I don't speak about real aimboters and others. They exists, they really do, but I am talking about really stupid bans. Besides nobody will use cheat'o'matic to cheat in online mode as nobody uses notepad for that purpose.

Originally Posted by Smile286

Very-very slight chance of that (if possible).
People usually create topics here, saying that they use nothing and got banned, but it's just a lie. Like one of the last one crying about his VAC-ban in TF2. Yeah, buddy, you did not use cheats. Well, except for Yunobot.

*WHOOPS!*

:-)

For that same reason I've posted link to my profile. Waiting for that mega "bluff reveal".

[Heisterburg]

Originally Posted by TIHb

They are all comfortable until get banned for some stupid reason. I don't speak about real aimboters and others. They exists, they really do, but I am talking about really stupid bans. Besides nobody will use cheat'o'matic to cheat in online mode as nobody uses notepad for that purpose.


For that same reason I've posted link to my profile. Waiting for that mega "bluff reveal".

Where are all these people who got unfairly banned? Where are the necessary hundreds or thousands of people to force Valve to change their policy? Do they really exist?

EDIT: That profile you linked is private. Why'd you even bother linking it?

[TIHb]

Originally Posted by Heisterburg

Where are all these people who got unfairly banned? Where are the necessary hundreds or thousands of people to force Valve to change their policy? Do they really exist?

They exist but they usually get scared by your "warm welcomes" guys... Can't get help from support, can't get help from community so what do you expect to see here? Tons of people "speaking to the wall"?

Originally Posted by Heisterburg

EDIT: That profile you linked is private. Why'd you even bother linking it?

Why must it be public? What will it change? It is not for you. It is for stuff that can look for my ban reason and reveal my bluff if I am lying. It must be obvious. Too much time spending here to explain obvious things to people that don't even want to understand.

[Satoru]

Originally Posted by TIHb

Ok I think you just can't understand it. You can use it for infinite life, bullets, money. You can use it for many things. But none of them are valid for online play. I've explained it in "I don't think VAC works" thread. Now please stop writing nonsense as you know something if you are lame. Sorry for being too harsh but you started to annoy me. Seriously...

Again you can do this in DUNGEON DEFENDERS

An ONLINE MULTIPLAYER GAME

Please explain how this is not relevant to what you are talking about.

Your illogical continuance to profess your innocense is astounding. Valve has already indicated CHeatOMatic is a VAC bannable offence. Obviously they believe it can be used to cheat.

Ifyou want to continue to discuss the process of VAC taht is fine. But do not pretend you are an 'innocent victim' in any way. That isn't debatable. You cheated and were properly VAC banned.

[TIHb]

Originally Posted by Satoru

Again you can do this in DUNGEON DEFENDERS

An ONLINE MULTIPLAYER GAME

Please explain how this is not relevant to what you are talking about.

Ok, sorry, I was wrong about that. I found next thing about that particular game.

This last part is where it starts going wrong. Instead of directly writing items from and into the database, it uses the clients (PC's) local memory to keep track of items and it only occasionally saves them to the database.

Still it does not explains how you can use it on games that are not saving info on your local machine.

Originally Posted by Satoru

Your illogical continuance to profess your innocense is astounding. Valve has already indicated CHeatOMatic is a VAC bannable offence. Obviously they believe it can be used to cheat.

Ifyou want to continue to discuss the process of VAC taht is fine. But do not pretend you are an 'innocent victim' in any way. That isn't debatable. You cheated and were properly VAC banned.

Pretending is saying "I've done nothing". I have nothing to hide, I said what I've done. Still don't think you can use memory editor to cheat with majority of games. Then as I've already said innocence is always debatable. If we call innocent to somebody that never cheated without any "ifs" then I never cheated. And one more time if you call guilty to somebody that was using bannable soft regardless of its practicality then yes I admit I am guilty. No pretending.

[Heisterburg]

Originally Posted by TIHb

They exist but they usually get scared by your "warm welcomes" guys... Can't get help from support, can't get help from community so what do you expect to see here? Tons of people "speaking to the wall"?


Why must it be public? What will it change? It is not for you. It is for stuff that can look for my ban reason and reveal my bluff if I am lying. It must be obvious. Too much time spending here to explain obvious things to people that don't even want to understand.

For the first point:
If they were the majority, wouldn't the "warm welcome guys" as you put it be the ones getting flamed? Heck, where are these people? Do you have any evidence of their existence?

For the second point:
Oh, that explains it. But you used a cheat engine in a multiplayer game, what do you expect to happen?

[zzcool]

as you can also see theres alot of things that can trigger a vac ban when you didn't cheat or did anything to ruin anyones gameplay if it only banned people that actually cheated that actually ruined someone elses gameplay while playing mp then it would be fine
if it can't be 100% precise and 100% perfect then there should be exceptions with bans it should not be permanent if it's not 110% precise and perfect where ONLY true cheaters got banned cheaters who actually CHEATED against someone in a multiplayer game


thats my honest opinion VALVe does alot for their customers they are nice to them but VAC in my opinion is wrong it is a brutal in my opinion

so in order for vac in my opinion to work perfectly is that once someone reports you for cheating you will be put on the tracker only then will you get banned

if noone reports you for cheating and a cheat still is found then it wouldn't make any sense to ban that person as then it is not just a computer involved judging you death of your steam account

my suggestions may be bad to some but i don't think vac is fair i to be honest hate it

[Anarchisteve]

The problem with what you say, zzcool, is that it would mean a huge amount more cheaters in games. Valve would be unable to ban in a lot of cases because the cheater says "I didn't mean to cheat" or "Someone else accessed my account and cheated on it" and this would result in MP games being unplayable for those of us who do not cheat.

[zzcool]

Originally Posted by Anarchisteve

The problem with what you say, zzcool, is that it would mean a huge amount more cheaters in games. Valve would be unable to ban in a lot of cases because the cheater says "I didn't mean to cheat" or "Someone else accessed my account and cheated on it" and this would result in MP games being unplayable for those of us who do not cheat.

i to be perfectly honest would want that instead cheaters are easy to get rid of you just change server

i'd rather have cheaters then this constant fear to be perfectly honest

vac is not as i said 100% precise and perfect thats why i don't like it as theres no exceptions on bans

[Anarchisteve]

Originally Posted by zzcool

i to be perfectly honest would want that instead cheaters are easy to get rid of you just change server

i'd rather have cheaters then this constant fear to be perfectly honest

But if few cheaters are being banned then pretty much all servers will be flooded with them.

There is nothing to fear unless you cheat. I realize there are always loads of threads saying "I've been VAC banned and I did nothing wrong" but they are always proven to be lies. Don't cheat and you'll be ok.

[zzcool]

Originally Posted by Anarchisteve

But if few cheaters are being banned then pretty much all servers will be flooded with them.

There is nothing to fear unless you cheat. I realize there are always loads of threads saying "I've been VAC banned and I did nothing wrong" but they are always proven to be lies. Don't cheat and you'll be ok.

theres mods that can trigger a ban even if i accidently leave on simple native trainer for iv (probably won't happen but still) while playing half life 2 death match it might trigger a ban i am not sure how precise vac is but i am very sure it is not 100% perfect permanent ban is too much power for it

[MartinKhan]

Originally Posted by zzcool

theres mods that can trigger a ban even if i accidently leave on simple native trainer for iv (probably won't happen but still) while playing half life 2 death match it might trigger a ban i am not sure how precise vac is but i am very sure it is not 100% perfect permanent ban is too much power for it

Well, you know you shouldn't use cheats if you don't want bans. TIHb said he used a program called 'cheat-o-matic' to cheat in a singleplayer game, and he forgot to turn it off when joining a secure server. He took the risk, he got a ban. Also, it's been proven tha cheat-o-matic can be used to cheat in MP games; so it doesn't matter if he only wanted to use it in SP, the cheat was still on when he joined a VAC secured server, and it got caught.

Bottom line: if you don't want a ban, don't cheat. Simple as that. If the game is too hard for you, try watching/reading guides. If you want to mess around, look for official 'cheats'; that is, console commands for GoldSrc and Source games (sv_cheats, god, noclip, etc.), or secret codes (like in old arcade games, UP UP DOWN DOWN in the main menu, something like that).

And about the mods that trigger a ban, do your research before installing them. There's already a thread which says which programs/mods can cause a ban (it's not complete, but it's still useful).

[zzcool]

Originally Posted by MartinKhan

Well, you know you shouldn't use cheats if you don't want bans. TIHb said he used a program called 'cheat-o-matic' to cheat in a singleplayer game, and he forgot to turn it off when joining a secure server. He took the risk, he got a ban. Also, it's been proven tha cheat-o-matic can be used to cheat in MP games; so it doesn't matter if he only wanted to use it in SP, the cheat was still on when he joined a VAC secured server, and it got caught.

Bottom line: if you don't want a ban, don't cheat. Simple as that. If the game is too hard for you, try watching/reading guides. If you want to mess around, look for official 'cheats'; that is, console commands for GoldSrc and Source games (sv_cheats, god, noclip, etc.), or secret codes (like in old arcade games, UP UP DOWN DOWN in the main menu, something like that).

And about the mods that trigger a ban, do your research before installing them. There's already a thread which says which programs/mods can cause a ban (it's not complete, but it's still useful).

well i guess i am the only one who don't find that fair

a vac ban should only happen when theres 100% proof that the person did cheat to ruin someones gameplay and no other time

if it's not like that then it shouldn't be permanent people make mistakes a mistake shouldn't trigger a permanent mark on your account

it is unfair

true cheaters who cheats because they want to ban them the rest don't

i hate vac i hate it so much i am a wild modder i mod my games with anything but i don't ruin anyone else gameplay by cheating does that mean i should get banned because i did a mistake without even anyone but vac knowing?

i am not as careless as to leave on trainers while going ingame but i still think it's wrong one of the reasons i stay away from mp in games that uses vac i don't want anything to do with vac

[MartinKhan]

Originally Posted by zzcool

well i guess i am the only one who don't find that fair

a vac ban should only happen when theres 100% proof that the person did cheat to ruin someones gameplay and no other time

if it's not like that then it shouldn't be permanent people make mistakes a mistake shouldn't trigger a permanent mark on your account

it is unfair

true cheaters who cheats because they want to ban them the rest don't

How do you determine that someone cheated to ruin someone else's gameplay?

If that was the case, we would start seeing threads like 'but I didn't want to annoy them, I just wanted to check if "X" and "Y"' and so on. Or 'I left it on by accident, I didn't realize I had the cheat on'.

[zzcool]

Originally Posted by MartinKhan

How do you determine that someone cheated to ruin someone else's gameplay?

If that was the case, we would start seeing threads like 'but I didn't want to annoy them, I just wanted to check if "X" and "Y"' and so on.

if people reports it then it would be very known someone did it just to ruin someones gameplay

if noone reports it then noone got harmed or even knew about it which means a vac ban is not needed

but ofcourse themn someone might make an example saying what if someone robbed a store without anyone being harmed or knowing does that mean he dosn't deserve anything

in that case i don't know i cannot answer an example like that i just think vac is too harch it is in my opinion as said brutal

i am in no way giving a demand i am just sharing my opinions about it as thats the only thing i truly hate about VALVe their extreme punnishments

thats why i try to stay away from mp games with vac as i don't want anything to do with it