Why is 1v1 Versus frowned upon?

[CanadaRox]

Originally Posted by Mr. Nugget

Is there a way to play this from the official mutation selection?

No this isn't possible, it has to be done on a server with Sourcemod and a 1v1 Confogl config.

[irogue]

You say "theya re doing it for a reason"

Answer simply put, Their egos are deflated when they die and or meet a person or a team that challenges them or their team and they are still in denial.

Personally i see 1v1 can be usedas a training method for players to practice certain tactics etc, but to use 1v1 as an indicator of skill in this game is frankly way over the top as we know this is a team absed game with communication being the key. You cannot get comunication in 1v1 scenarios, as for saying "I deadstop better than you" or "I skeet elite" etc that again is just ego's and pretencious ppl talking smak.

If you thinkt his thread justifys to the community your opinions as to why 1v1 is a valid part of testing your skill against an individuals, that is obsurd and frankly you need to go find a different game if you want to benchmark yourself against other players.

[SariKK]

This discussion:

Marcus903: ”The purpose of 1v1 Versus is to see how far you can make it with bots, going against another player with bots.

You guys: 1V1 IS NOT AN INDICATOR OF SKILL! IT DOES NOT INVOLVE TEAMPLAY!!! DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND IT?? YOU CAN'T PRACTICE TEAMPLAY LIKE THAT!!

Marcus903: ”I understand that 1v1 isn't showing teamwork”.

You guys: 1V1 IS NOT AN INDICATOR OF SKILL! IT DOES NOT INVOLVE TEAMPLAY!!! DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND IT?? YOU CAN'T PRACTICE TEAMPLAY LIKE THAT!!

Marcus903: ”Sorry, I should've mentioned about it being skill-based practice, not team-based practice”.

You guys: 1V1 IS NOT AN INDICATOR OF SKILL! IT DOES NOT INVOLVE TEAMPLAY!!! DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND IT?? YOU CAN'T PRACTICE TEAMPLAY LIKE THAT!!

[doubletake]

I think a lot of people lost track of what this idiot OP was trying to say.

He's basically asking, "y pubs get mad wen i ask 1v1 in lobby"
In his mind, this 1v1 is 1 human vs 1 human on each team, while still using the AI teammates. In every other PC player's mind, it's a regular fogl based 1v1 hunter/jockey skeetfest. Because OP was an Xbox player for so long, he doesn't realize that NOBODY does that on the PC version, and ANYTIME PC players mention 1v1, it is STRICTLY a 1v1 hunters/hunter+jockey game, not an idiotic 2 player vs game with AI teammates.

OP, please stop already with your Xbox mentality on the PC version.

[henrikhe]

Originally Posted by doubletake

I think a lot of people lost track of what this idiot OP was trying to say.

He's basically asking, "y pubs get mad wen i ask 1v1 in lobby"
In his mind, this 1v1 is 1 human vs 1 human on each team, while still using the AI teammates. In every other PC player's mind, it's a regular fogl based 1v1 hunter/jockey skeetfest. Because OP was an Xbox player for so long, he doesn't realize that NOBODY does that on the PC version, and ANYTIME PC players mention 1v1, it is STRICTLY a 1v1 hunters/hunter+jockey game, not an idiotic 2 player vs game with AI teammates.

OP, please stop already with your Xbox mentality on the PC version.

not true. i've had 2-3 people asking me to do 1v1 with bots. not everyone in pc land are into confogl. the meta game changes to how well do you handle your bots.

Originally Posted by marcus903

But 1v1 is not singleplayer.

I understand that 1v1 isn't showing teamwork. Again, it can be useful for practice.

i never said it was single player, what i meant was that it resembles single player game more than the co-op part of the game, the part that mot people love about the game-

[hitboxx]

1v1 with bots? if was actually creating decent AI this would be a decent idea, but considering they shoot my feet while im being jockeyed 1v1 with bots is a bad idea.

playing real 1v1 is good practice, and winning is an indicator for being better than your opponent.

*kids incoming saying 1v1 has nothing to do with teamplay*

who cares? If you can skeet a hunter you are most likely not going to be a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ pub.

[doubletake]

I swear if I ever run into marcus in-game I will troll the ♥♥♥♥ out of him until I get community banned again. Then I'll ask for a tour of Valve HQ, use their toilets and forget to flush.

[marcus903]

Originally Posted by irogue

You say "theya re doing it for a reason"

Answer simply put, Their egos are deflated when they die and or meet a person or a team that challenges them or their team and they are still in denial.

Personally i see 1v1 can be usedas a training method for players to practice certain tactics etc, but to use 1v1 as an indicator of skill in this game is frankly way over the top as we know this is a team absed game with communication being the key. You cannot get comunication in 1v1 scenarios, as for saying "I deadstop better than you" or "I skeet elite" etc that again is just ego's and pretencious ppl talking smak.

If you thinkt his thread justifys to the community your opinions as to why 1v1 is a valid part of testing your skill against an individuals, that is obsurd and frankly you need to go find a different game if you want to benchmark yourself against other players.

How is this obscurd?

The reason why I'm saying this is because 1v1 Versus can be used to practice your skills (not team-based skills, just your infected skills) and this doesn't have a good reputation.

The reason why it is pointless is because you people seem to be against it, even in other games. It's pointless in Call of Duty, Halo, and all other games with a deathmatch mode because all you fight in deathmatch is one person.

In the Left 4 Dead franchise, you're actually fighting more than one character, making it more of a challenge. Not being able to communicate or use teamwork is part of the challenge and you'll have to figure out how to attack the Survivors on your own, which is a basically a challenge. But people seem to think it is a childish act because of the way most people use it.

The only childish part of it (as mentioned before) is that some people (as Genoa pointed out) use it when they get pwned or just want to taunt you.

I am not 'forcing' people to play it. I just want to know why it is frowned upon. Here is the number of reasons why I play it:
-to practice my skills as both Infected and Survivors
-as a challenge
-just for the lulz

I understand the game is not meant for 1v1, but if the fact was that we ALWAYS have to use teamwork and communication, then singleplayer wouldn't have been made nor available.

Why can't some people see this?

[marcus903]

Originally Posted by doubletake

I think a lot of people lost track of what this idiot OP was trying to say.

He's basically asking, "y pubs get mad wen i ask 1v1 in lobby"
In his mind, this 1v1 is 1 human vs 1 human on each team, while still using the AI teammates. In every other PC player's mind, it's a regular fogl based 1v1 hunter/jockey skeetfest. Because OP was an Xbox player for so long, he doesn't realize that NOBODY does that on the PC version, and ANYTIME PC players mention 1v1, it is STRICTLY a 1v1 hunters/hunter+jockey game, not an idiotic 2 player vs game with AI teammates.

OP, please stop already with your Xbox mentality on the PC version.

Originally Posted by doubletake

I swear if I ever run into marcus in-game I will troll the ♥♥♥♥ out of him until I get community banned again. Then I'll ask for a tour of Valve HQ, use their toilets and forget to flush.

These two exactly don't get what I'm coming from. One of them don't have the tendency to ignore this thread and move on.

Basically, the first person I quoted is saying that the PC version is always about 1v1 hunters, jockeys, crap that I don't care about, etc. Apparently, he thinks that there is some rule or federal law that restricts the PC version into confogl matches when playing 1v1. That confogl mod sounds too hard and too complex considering that you are the only Survivor trying to avoid getting pinned by the hunter who is the only Special Infected trying to pounce you. I prefer playing 1v1 with bots because that's more challenging than playing a Versus version of Last Man on Earth.

Why is it that everytime I have a concern with this game, people get snippy and bash me when they could just ignore all of the threads made by me? It's not that hard.

[igot4kd]

Originally Posted by marcus903

Why is it that everytime I have a concern with this game, people get snippy and bash me when they could just ignore all of the threads made by me? It's not that hard.

Probably because you've made about 10 1v1 threads already, and everyone has already told you why the vast majority of people don't care for it. You just keep arguing their responses until the bitter end.

What exactly are you looking to accomplish here?

[vamtheanomaly]

Originally Posted by Dr.Boo.j2

It's not really frowned upon, but a lot of 1v1 players are elitists who think they own at this game just because they're good at 1v1.
1v1 is a very poor indicator of skill in this game simply because the main skill one must have, is the ability to play as a team. Which 1v1 doesn't reflect at all. Yet a lot of the 1v1 crowd feels like they're superior because they're good at this. 1v1 doesn't promote teamplay and thus, does not make you any better. I'd rather have a mediocre 1v1 player that plays well in team, than vice versa.

Countless times I've seen people ingame say "lol I beat u 1v1 right now if u want noob"... this usually results in me telling them to go **** themselves.

What Dr Boo said PLUS 1 human and 3 sv bots vs 1 human and 3 si bots. The sv team has a heavy advantage. The SI bots will not try to coordinate a group hit and will usually attack whenever they spawn. The sv bots play "better" by comparison as they will at least shoot things and try to "save" their sv team mate.

[marcus903]

Originally Posted by igot4kd

Probably because you've made about 10 1v1 threads already, and everyone has already told you why the vast majority of people don't care for it. You just keep arguing their responses until the bitter end.

What exactly are you looking to accomplish here?

It's not just that. I also once posted a vent about early tanks, some of the people dissed me just because they disagree with me.

[iggy04]

I prefer playing 1v1 with bots because that's more challenging than playing a Versus version of Last Man on Earth.

How is that more challenging when the bots have autoaim?

[blaquicat]

Originally Posted by iggy04

How is that more challenging when the bots have autoaim?

Its very hard to "Control" whatever the bots will do, thats why in some new comers versus game, its very easy to kill then..

1v1 with bots provide a diferent experience, since you dont know if the bots will scrub, or help the team.

[Some_weirdGuy]

Originally Posted by marcus903

Whenever you start a lobby and ask the first person who joins if they want to play 1v1, they'll automatically assume that you're trying to prove your better than them. They also instantly feel that you are some little 'kid' begging for a competition, which is mostly false.

thats why you say 'hey wanna wait in-game?' rather than '1 v 1 come at me bro!'

Once you're in-game waiting, you can then say 'lets go 1 v 1, we'll restart when game fills' and fun is had by all with no misunderstandings.