[Feedback] What weapons need change? - Page 94

flashn00b · 12-11-2012, 07:38 PM

Heal Shovel
Hurt Pistol (A reasonable sidearm for the engie and Scout)

Utilt · 12-11-2012, 08:09 PM

Can someone explain the Gas Jockey description is trying to say.

It insinuates it's overpowered, yet it says that Pyro being able to get free Melee kills in pubs... balances it?

If anything that would be an arguing point for it being balanced in pubs, underpowered outside of it. Large health penalties isn't the solution either since the whole point of the powerjack is that rather than having direct kill power you kill with it to stay healthy, low HP counteracts half of the set if anything.

Just needs to be re-thought as a whole.

Heal Volcano Fragment
Hurt Buff Banner

Backdraft. · 12-11-2012, 09:07 PM

Heal SVF

Hurt Gas Jockey

Bat_Tom · 12-11-2012, 09:24 PM

Heal Flame Thrower (just fix the particles so that they can actually hit things when you have more than a hundred ping >.>)

Hurt Pistol

And Utilt, I'm not entirely certain, but I think it might be pertaining to Gas Jockey's speed vs. its bullet vulnerability. In pubs the Pyro can get away with meleeing people more easily, and though he can't do so in a comp setting, the bullet vulnerability gives little reason to not want a 10% speed boost. It's basically free speed, I'm guessing.

Though I could be completely off-base. I'm not sure how the mention of the Powerjack plays into the OP's explanation?

Markisthetitan · 12-11-2012, 11:49 PM

Heal Liberty Launcher (Pointless weapon)
Hurt Dead Ringer

Assbandit · 12-12-2012, 12:41 PM

Heal Dead Ringer
Hurt Shovel

Sh O cK · 12-12-2012, 12:53 PM

Heal bushwacka
Hurt gas jockey

flashn00b · 12-12-2012, 09:05 PM

Heal Shovel (Tying up assbandit)
Hurt Saharan Spy (Set should make the spy teabaggable, but otherwise balanced)

Backdraft. · 12-12-2012, 10:04 PM

Heal SVF

Hurt gas jockey

worms · 12-13-2012, 06:07 AM

heal gas jockey
hurt shovel

FoxDemon333 · 12-13-2012, 08:21 AM

Heal Liberty Launcher(soldier should not have a weapon that hard counters pyro like this)
Hurt Powerjack

worms · 12-13-2012, 08:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FoxDemon333

Heal Liberty Launcher(soldier should not have a weapon that hard counters pyro like this)

not disagreeing it needs changing but it's far from a hard counter to pyro

just saying

Bat_Tom · 12-13-2012, 11:03 AM

Heal Manmelter (just turn it into the flare gun version of the Righteous Bison)

Hurt Hitman's Heatmaker

Sh O cK · 12-13-2012, 11:34 AM

Heal bushwacka
Hurt gas jockey

Assbandit · 12-13-2012, 12:56 PM

Heal Bushwacka
Hurt Shovel (Don't fix what isn't broken)

12-11-2012, 09:24 PM	#1399
Bat_Tom Join Date: Jul 2010 Reputation: 70 Posts: 362	Heal Flame Thrower (just fix the particles so that they can actually hit things when you have more than a hundred ping >.>) Hurt Pistol And Utilt, I'm not entirely certain, but I think it might be pertaining to Gas Jockey's speed vs. its bullet vulnerability. In pubs the Pyro can get away with meleeing people more easily, and though he can't do so in a comp setting, the bullet vulnerability gives little reason to not want a 10% speed boost. It's basically free speed, I'm guessing. Though I could be completely off-base. I'm not sure how the mention of the Powerjack plays into the OP's explanation? Last edited by Bat_Tom: 12-11-2012 at 09:48 PM.

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12-11-2012, 07:38 PM	#1396
flashn00b Join Date: Apr 2005 Reputation: 269 Posts: 4,234	Heal Shovel Hurt Pistol (A reasonable sidearm for the engie and Scout)

12-11-2012, 08:09 PM	#1397
Utilt Join Date: Oct 2011 Reputation: 168 Posts: 1,002	Can someone explain the Gas Jockey description is trying to say. It insinuates it's overpowered, yet it says that Pyro being able to get free Melee kills in pubs... balances it? If anything that would be an arguing point for it being balanced in pubs, underpowered outside of it. Large health penalties isn't the solution either since the whole point of the powerjack is that rather than having direct kill power you kill with it to stay healthy, low HP counteracts half of the set if anything. Just needs to be re-thought as a whole. Heal Volcano Fragment Hurt Buff Banner

12-11-2012, 09:07 PM	#1398
Backdraft. Join Date: Oct 2012 Reputation: 41 Posts: 277	Heal SVF Hurt Gas Jockey

12-11-2012, 11:49 PM	#1400
Markisthetitan Join Date: Oct 2010 Reputation: 17 Posts: 341	Heal Liberty Launcher (Pointless weapon) Hurt Dead Ringer

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flashn00b Join Date: Apr 2005 Reputation: 269 Posts: 4,234	Heal Shovel (Tying up assbandit) Hurt Saharan Spy (Set should make the spy teabaggable, but otherwise balanced)

12-12-2012, 10:04 PM	#1404
Backdraft. Join Date: Oct 2012 Reputation: 41 Posts: 277	Heal SVF Hurt gas jockey

12-13-2012, 06:07 AM	#1405
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12-13-2012, 08:21 AM	#1406
FoxDemon333 Join Date: Jul 2011 Reputation: 13 Posts: 125	Heal Liberty Launcher(soldier should not have a weapon that hard counters pyro like this) Hurt Powerjack

12-13-2012, 11:03 AM	#1408
Bat_Tom Join Date: Jul 2010 Reputation: 70 Posts: 362	Heal Manmelter (just turn it into the flare gun version of the Righteous Bison) Hurt Hitman's Heatmaker

12-13-2012, 11:34 AM	#1409
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12-13-2012, 12:56 PM	#1410
Assbandit Join Date: Aug 2010 Reputation: 525 Posts: 2,609	Heal Bushwacka Hurt Shovel (Don't fix what isn't broken)