Do Heavy bots ever use the shotgun?

aabicus · 12-10-2012, 10:03 PM

My internet has been out for a week, so I have been playing against bots for sometime exclusively. One thing I've noticed: regardless of the difficulty, opponent, or situation, heavy bots never, ever EVER use the shotgun. (Or the fists, but nobody uses their melee).

Has anyone ever seen a heavy bot use the shotgun? If not, this is further justification for giving heavy bots the sandvich by default.

Assbandit · 12-10-2012, 11:38 PM

Only on the rare occasion that they run out of ammo in their minigun, if that.

Gedeon · 12-11-2012, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Assbandit

Only on the rare occasion that they run out of ammo in their minigun, if that.

that and only if there's no enemy in sight

otherwise they just keep spinning a empty minigun

The Medic · 12-11-2012, 01:45 AM

Only if they run out of ammo and spin down. Otherwise they just spin on forever.

The Pyro King · 12-11-2012, 05:13 AM

Yes, they do in Normal difficulty and upwards, when they run out of Minigun ammo. They switch to the Shotgun. But, in Easy difficulty, they'll just keep trying to fire with their ammoless Minigun, and that happened when I was playing with bots. I covered him in rainbows to death with my Rainblower.

aabicus · 12-11-2012, 05:29 AM

If there aren't enemies around, why would the heavy run out of ammo?

If the heavy runs out of ammo with enemies around, what are the odds he'll live to refill?

Honestly, just give the heavy the sandvich. If the shotgun AI is really only working in this unlikely scenario, everyone's favorite lunchbox item would do a better job as bot secondary. I always feel bad for those bot medics, always at like 10% health running behind overhealed heavies.

Deadman0307 · 12-11-2012, 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by aabicus

If the heavy runs out of ammo with enemies around, what are the odds he'll live to refill?

Teammates.

@OP: What these people said, also if there are no enemies in sight he will search for dispensers and ammo boxes to refill.

exchef123 · 12-11-2012, 08:52 AM

I seen a shotgun heavy run past every ammo crate, every dropped weapon, every dispenser, to get a small ammopack on the other side of the map.

I was his medic. I got a lot of über from the journey.

SLDT · 12-18-2012, 09:52 AM

It's rare, but they do switch to the shotgun. Though annoyingly enough, they always seem pretty competent about getting more ammo when they're on the other team.

apdonato · 01-19-2013, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by The Pyro King

Yes, they do in Normal difficulty and upwards, when they run out of Minigun ammo. They switch to the Shotgun. But, in Easy difficulty, they'll just keep trying to fire with their ammoless Minigun, and that happened when I was playing with bots. I covered him in rainbows to death with my Rainblower.

i've witnessed heavy bots on normal and hard spinning forever as they crawl towards the nearest ammo pile

sitebender · 04-10-2013, 07:34 AM

Why should they? I rarely see human heavies use shotguns. I think shotguns are more of an on the go weapon, but then there's a risk / reward sort of thing with using the shotgun on the go. If there's 1 weak enemy using the shotgun dispatches them quickly. If you run into more than one weapon you need to switch and spin up, which takes time.

apdonato · 04-12-2013, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by sitebender

Why should they? I rarely see human heavies use shotguns. I think shotguns are more of an on the go weapon, but then there's a risk / reward sort of thing with using the shotgun on the go. If there's 1 weak enemy using the shotgun dispatches them quickly. If you run into more than one weapon you need to switch and spin up, which takes time.

why not? any variability in the AI code would certainly help with realism...

Provocateur · 04-19-2013, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Assbandit

Only on the rare occasion that they run out of ammo in their minigun, if that.

All I see if they run out of ammo is they still keep standing and trying to shoot with the empty gun.

exchef123 · 04-19-2013, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Provocateur

All I see if they run out of ammo is they still keep standing and trying to shoot with the empty gun.

When the enemy leaves the area, he will spin down, switching to the shotgun.

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Also, I have rarely seen a shotgun wielding heavybot actually use the weapon! I was a medic, hitting a shotgun heavy, while he was being healed by a medic, and he never returned fire. instead, he tried to get the ammopack that I was blocking from him.

apdonato · 04-19-2013, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by exchef123

When the enemy leaves the area, he will spin down, switching to the shotgun.

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Also, I have rarely seen a shotgun wielding heavybot actually use the weapon! I was a medic, hitting a shotgun heavy, while he was being healed by a medic, and he never returned fire. instead, he tried to get the ammopack that I was blocking from him.

they will not reload their shotgun until they expend their clip from what i've seen, as with engies and the other classes with shotguns

and if they are in a fire fight, they will only reload one round, then fire, reload one round, and fire again

12-10-2012, 10:03 PM	#1
aabicus Join Date: Aug 2011 Reputation: 1271 Posts: 5,408	Do Heavy bots ever use the shotgun? My internet has been out for a week, so I have been playing against bots for sometime exclusively. One thing I've noticed: regardless of the difficulty, opponent, or situation, heavy bots never, ever EVER use the shotgun. (Or the fists, but nobody uses their melee). Has anyone ever seen a heavy bot use the shotgun? If not, this is further justification for giving heavy bots the sandvich by default.

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12-10-2012, 11:38 PM	#2
Assbandit Join Date: Aug 2010 Reputation: 525 Posts: 2,609	Only on the rare occasion that they run out of ammo in their minigun, if that.

12-11-2012, 01:45 AM	#4
The Medic Join Date: Dec 2010 Reputation: 1156 Posts: 6,713	Only if they run out of ammo and spin down. Otherwise they just spin on forever.

12-11-2012, 05:13 AM	#5
The Pyro King Join Date: Jun 2012 Reputation: 20 Posts: 513	Yes, they do in Normal difficulty and upwards, when they run out of Minigun ammo. They switch to the Shotgun. But, in Easy difficulty, they'll just keep trying to fire with their ammoless Minigun, and that happened when I was playing with bots. I covered him in rainbows to death with my Rainblower.

12-11-2012, 05:29 AM	#6
aabicus Join Date: Aug 2011 Reputation: 1271 Posts: 5,408	If there aren't enemies around, why would the heavy run out of ammo? If the heavy runs out of ammo with enemies around, what are the odds he'll live to refill? Honestly, just give the heavy the sandvich. If the shotgun AI is really only working in this unlikely scenario, everyone's favorite lunchbox item would do a better job as bot secondary. I always feel bad for those bot medics, always at like 10% health running behind overhealed heavies.

12-11-2012, 08:52 AM	#8
exchef123 Join Date: May 2012 Reputation: 142 Posts: 2,055	I seen a shotgun heavy run past every ammo crate, every dropped weapon, every dispenser, to get a small ammopack on the other side of the map. I was his medic. I got a lot of über from the journey.

12-18-2012, 09:52 AM	#9
SLDT Join Date: Jun 2012 Reputation: 18 Posts: 102	It's rare, but they do switch to the shotgun. Though annoyingly enough, they always seem pretty competent about getting more ammo when they're on the other team.

04-10-2013, 07:34 AM	#11
sitebender Join Date: May 2011 Reputation: 108 Posts: 1,163	Why should they? I rarely see human heavies use shotguns. I think shotguns are more of an on the go weapon, but then there's a risk / reward sort of thing with using the shotgun on the go. If there's 1 weak enemy using the shotgun dispatches them quickly. If you run into more than one weapon you need to switch and spin up, which takes time.