LFD2 R18+ in Aus? - Page 2

symmetry77 · 01-04-2013, 01:44 PM

...here's a problem. Currently the edited game is available as an M15 game, which means that a bunch of 15, 16 & 17yo's are playing it legally, within the laws of classifications. So how do they release the unedited game? If the unedited version is resubmitted and given an R18, they cant just patch every existing copy because theyd be giving an R18 game to 16yo's. And they cant just withdraw the M15 version. They would have to essentially create another copy of the game and put it on steam.
Thoughts?

hat · 01-04-2013, 02:02 PM

Apparently it would cost Valve money to reclassify it, so it's in their court I suppose. On the other hand, it's actually incredibly easy for Valve to uncensor the game on an individual level. You know, it randomly happened to me one day a couple of years ago and I never sent a support ticket to Valve or anything. I've known people who have logged on to Steam while in New Zealand and asked Steam support to uncensor their game and they have. I wonder if Valve could just... I dunno... secretly uncensor the game for everyone. I doubt any Australian law enforcers (or whatever) will take action, and even if they did Valve could just say it was an accident or something *shrug*

chetf · 01-04-2013, 02:52 PM

No need to flood us with emails. We have been exploring the options here and what we can legally do. We will have more information on this when we understand the issues fully and how we are moving forward but don't worry any cost associated with it doesn't worry us, this is something we want to do.

symmetry77 · 01-04-2013, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by chetf

No need to flood us with emails. We have been exploring the options here and what we can legally do. We will have more information on this when we understand the issues fully and how we are moving forward but don't worry any cost associated with it doesn't worry us, this is something we want to do.

Hey wow, thanks for the response. Nice to get info from the source

Smear · 01-04-2013, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by chetf

any cost associated with it doesn't worry us, this is something we want to do.

Oh yeah? Then I spose you've heard of the $10,000 'Smear' tax that all games have to pay if they want to have boobies, blood, or clearly dead people that are really just 'sick' people?

Tsk, it's a shame, I know. I'm sorry, I really wish I could change it. I'll FPM you the bank account details for the... Um... Prime Minister... NO! The Treasurey Minister! Yes! That's the one.

On a serious note, thank you. I look forward to seeing the glow in a friends eye when he watches as the person he shot DOESN'T turn into fairy dust and vanish.

symmetry77 · 01-04-2013, 04:02 PM

Well that was a whole lot of nothing. Moving on...

Ze Medic · 01-04-2013, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by chetf

No need to flood us with emails. We have been exploring the options here and what we can legally do. We will have more information on this when we understand the issues fully and how we are moving forward but don't worry any cost associated with it doesn't worry us, this is something we want to do.

Now we must playthe waiting game....

symmetry77 · 01-04-2013, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Ze Medic

Now we must playthe waiting game....

What about now?

... or now??

tax cut · 01-06-2013, 10:09 AM

Can't you aussies fix the game by changing 9 to 1 in two files?

symmetry77 · 01-06-2013, 12:01 PM

Yeah, we've mentioned that a bit earlier. We can, but a) we shouldnt have to, b) it continuously changes back, and c) causes problems in VS mode.
Thanks for the suggestion tho.

symmetry77 · 01-07-2013, 11:27 PM

Just found this on http://au.gamespot.com/features/r18-...-next-6401809/

While the legislation for R18+ for games has been passed and enacted at a federal level, each state and territory is responsible for passing complementary legislation that will dictate how R18+ games are displayed and how the adult classification for games is enforced.

Queensland remains the only state in Australia to not have passed the complimentary R18+ legislation. Earlier this year, the Queensland government specifically stated that it will not sell R18+ games from January 1 but instead await the result of a Legal Affairs and Community Safety Committee report--due to be released on February 7, 2013--before debating the R18+ legislation in parliament and officially amending the state's law to include an R18+ classification for video games.

This means that R18+ games will still be illegal in Queensland from January 1, 2013, until that time when the R18+ legislation has officially passed through the state's parliament and the law amended accordingly to include an adult classification for video games.

The R18+ legislation will most likely pass through the Queensland parliament by the end of February. It is unlikely that the Classification Board of Australia will rate a video game as R18+ before that happens.

gl1koz3 · 01-07-2013, 11:58 PM

I wish they passed it in Germany... Good luck, anyways.

symmetry77 · 01-08-2013, 03:27 AM

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Originally Posted by gl1koz3

I wish they passed it in Germany... Good luck, anyways.

Yeah i read about that. Our thoughts are with you

Camm · 01-10-2013, 10:00 PM

Australia's first R18+ game was just classified, Ninja Gaiden 3 - now to hope that Left 4 Dead 2 joins those ranks soon

MunkeyCheez3k · 01-10-2013, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by gl1koz3

I wish they passed it in Germany... Good luck, anyways.

Aren't they robots in Germany?

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01-04-2013, 01:44 PM	#16
symmetry77 Join Date: Mar 2010 Reputation: 0 Posts: 43	...here's a problem. Currently the edited game is available as an M15 game, which means that a bunch of 15, 16 & 17yo's are playing it legally, within the laws of classifications. So how do they release the unedited game? If the unedited version is resubmitted and given an R18, they cant just patch every existing copy because theyd be giving an R18 game to 16yo's. And they cant just withdraw the M15 version. They would have to essentially create another copy of the game and put it on steam. Thoughts?

01-04-2013, 02:02 PM	#17
hat Join Date: Apr 2011 Reputation: 1400 Posts: 4,549	Apparently it would cost Valve money to reclassify it, so it's in their court I suppose. On the other hand, it's actually incredibly easy for Valve to uncensor the game on an individual level. You know, it randomly happened to me one day a couple of years ago and I never sent a support ticket to Valve or anything. I've known people who have logged on to Steam while in New Zealand and asked Steam support to uncensor their game and they have. I wonder if Valve could just... I dunno... secretly uncensor the game for everyone. I doubt any Australian law enforcers (or whatever) will take action, and even if they did Valve could just say it was an accident or something shrug

01-04-2013, 02:52 PM	#18
chetf Valve Join Date: Jan 2005 Reputation: 1307 Posts: 338	No need to flood us with emails. We have been exploring the options here and what we can legally do. We will have more information on this when we understand the issues fully and how we are moving forward but don't worry any cost associated with it doesn't worry us, this is something we want to do.

01-04-2013, 04:02 PM	#21
symmetry77 Join Date: Mar 2010 Reputation: 0 Posts: 43	Well that was a whole lot of nothing. Moving on...

01-06-2013, 10:09 AM	#24
tax cut Banned Join Date: Jan 2013 Reputation: 59 Posts: 411	Can't you aussies fix the game by changing 9 to 1 in two files?

01-06-2013, 12:01 PM	#25
symmetry77 Join Date: Mar 2010 Reputation: 0 Posts: 43	Yeah, we've mentioned that a bit earlier. We can, but a) we shouldnt have to, b) it continuously changes back, and c) causes problems in VS mode. Thanks for the suggestion tho.

01-07-2013, 11:27 PM	#26
symmetry77 Join Date: Mar 2010 Reputation: 0 Posts: 43	Just found this on http://au.gamespot.com/features/r18-...-next-6401809/ While the legislation for R18+ for games has been passed and enacted at a federal level, each state and territory is responsible for passing complementary legislation that will dictate how R18+ games are displayed and how the adult classification for games is enforced. Queensland remains the only state in Australia to not have passed the complimentary R18+ legislation. Earlier this year, the Queensland government specifically stated that it will not sell R18+ games from January 1 but instead await the result of a Legal Affairs and Community Safety Committee report--due to be released on February 7, 2013--before debating the R18+ legislation in parliament and officially amending the state's law to include an R18+ classification for video games. This means that R18+ games will still be illegal in Queensland from January 1, 2013, until that time when the R18+ legislation has officially passed through the state's parliament and the law amended accordingly to include an adult classification for video games. The R18+ legislation will most likely pass through the Queensland parliament by the end of February. It is unlikely that the Classification Board of Australia will rate a video game as R18+ before that happens.

01-07-2013, 11:58 PM	#27
gl1koz3 Join Date: Mar 2011 Reputation: 35 Posts: 498	I wish they passed it in Germany... Good luck, anyways.

01-10-2013, 10:00 PM	#29
Camm Join Date: Nov 2007 Reputation: 4 Posts: 83	Australia's first R18+ game was just classified, Ninja Gaiden 3 - now to hope that Left 4 Dead 2 joins those ranks soon