[Feedback] What weapons need change?

[flashn00b]

Heal Bat (Upgrades =! OP (usually). Consider balancing the Bat around the Fan o War, just to give it a push in the right direction.)
Hurt Saharan Spy (A skill indexed alternative to the pre-nerf Dr. Enforcicle)

[isildur4]

Originally Posted by Bat_Tom

Have

Have you literally not read a single post of the thread? Particularly the OP?

Heal Phlogistinator (while an interesting idea, it doesn't have the means to be effective at what it's meant for)
Hurt Equalizer (underpowered compared to the Escape Plan only)

i personally consider the eq underpowered compared to the shovel.
lower damage on high hp, medic blocking, AND it still has the nerfed damage scale, so lights will still take 2 hits, even if you have 1 hp.

[Assbandit]

A weapon that's an upgrade to the base line that is stock... is not overpowered. Funny.

Heal Huo Long Heater
Hurt Shovel

[Bat_Tom]

Originally Posted by Assbandit

A weapon that's an upgrade to the base line that is stock... is not overpowered. Funny.

Heal Huo Long Heater
Hurt Shovel

So the Ubersaw is overpowered in the grand scheme of TF2? More versatile than the Sticky Launcher, more destructive than Stock Minigun, more game-stoppingly annoying than the Wrangler?

And don't even get me started on the Third Degree. Last time I got caught using THAT broken p.o.s. I got kicked from the server.

[kmajtag]

Heal Bushwacka
Hurt Huo-Long Heater
I fail to see the problem with this weapon.

[windwolf777]

Originally Posted by windwolf777

Heal Natasha (same reason as stated
Hurt jarate

2/26.

[isildur4]

Originally Posted by Bat_Tom

So the Ubersaw is overpowered in the grand scheme of TF2? More versatile than the Sticky Launcher, more destructive than Stock Minigun, more game-stoppingly annoying than the Wrangler?

And don't even get me started on the Third Degree. Last time I got caught using THAT broken p.o.s. I got kicked from the server.

what idiot would kick you over using the 3rd degree?

Originally Posted by kmajtag

Heal Bushwacka
Hurt Huo-Long Heater
I fail to see the problem with this weapon.

heater is a broken weapon overall.
it's upside is crutchy, unreliable, and allows the heavy to hit things he wasnt even aiming at.
its downside is pretty crippling in normal play, and completely non existant in payload offense, a mode in which heavy is already extremely effective.

[flashn00b]

Heal Bat (Less useful than the Fan-O-War, which in turn is also useless.)
Hurt Wrap Assassin

[Bat_Tom]

Originally Posted by isildur4

what idiot would kick you over using the 3rd degree?

Using Assbandit's claim that an upgrade to even a subpar weapon is considered overpowered, I intended to paint the illusion of what such a claim would entail. Since upgrades are automatically overpowered, that would make the Third Degree overpowered as well. The absurdity of his claim was meant to be shown via the absurdity of that scenario, which would follow the rules put forth by Assbandit's assuption.

Now that I think about it, you have a point about the Equalizer being a tad underwhelming now, particularly due to the reduced damage scale.

Heal Machina
Hurt Gunboats

[Assbandit]

Heal Huo Long Heater
Hurt Shovel

[Argeon]

Heal Bushwacka
Hurt Bazaar Bargain

[kmajtag]

Heal Bushwacka
Hurt Gunboats

[Phangry]

Heal Enforcer (Still an upgrade to the stock Revolver)
Hurt Dead Ringer

[FoxDemon333]

Heal soda popper (free mini-crits are annoying)
hurt bat

[JacquesLEBS]

Heal Sandman
Hurt Shortstop