I do not understand the Left4Dead player mentality

[OJ191]

Originally Posted by Lucifuge

Another disturbing thing is plp that kick you becouse you don't speak french/spanish/german, heck if you want to play the damn game go and learn the ♥♥♥♥ing language first, i mean how hard can it be? Well, i'm happy that Germany have plans to bann all violence games, that leaves only two more countries that don't have the brains to learn english left...

Umm yeah if their ping is below 150, and the majority of the team is speaking their language, I'm pretty sure they have all the right in the world to speak THEIR OWN LANGUAGE. F*CKING AMERICAN ELITISTS THINKING THAT ENGLISH IS THE ONLY F*CKING LANGUAGE IN THE WORLD.

EDIT - Disclaimer: I am aware that many Americans are all-right blokes, and am not biased against Americans in general, but be aware that a lot of your gaming populace at least SEEM to be asshats (at least the ones that post on these forums.)

[Eaglebird]

This is starting to get ridiculous. It's one thing to outline fair reasons to kick a player, and sometimes lack of skill or lack of general knowledge about the game is as good a reason to kick someone as ever.
Personally I believe if someone picks the game up and goes straight to multiplayer, versus even, then they're not someone I want to play with because I know they'll tend to slow my team down or make the game less amusing.

However, I don't see reason to start throwing insults around about who's pro and not and who the losers that need to be kicked are. In my honest opinion, your pink hearts are better used elsewhere.

[NoTomatos]

Originally Posted by OJ191

Umm yeah if their ping is below 150, and the majority of the team is speaking their language, I'm pretty sure they have all the right in the world to speak THEIR OWN LANGUAGE. F*CKING AMERICAN ELITISTS THINKING THAT ENGLISH IS THE ONLY F*CKING LANGUAGE IN THE WORLD.

EDIT - Disclaimer: I am aware that many Americans are all-right blokes, and am not biased against Americans in general, but be aware that a lot of your gaming populace at least SEEM to be asshats (at least the ones that post on these forums.)

Most are asshats in a way. They are aggressive. This is good as you can let them do their thing and you can do more interesting stuff and ensure victory. That's what all the good euro alliances in eve do.

[MajPay]

Originally Posted by jg2pto

It took me 12 games of Versus to figure out that it's just not worth it to play. I've been kicked so many times that I went looking in the achievements tab to see if there was one for vote kicking a certain number of newbs. Why there is even an ability to vote someone out of a "game" is beyond me.

Ive been votekicked only a few times, if the other team was waiting for friends to join. I dont like kicking someone because hes not good, but sometimes, if u played a good game and in chapter 4 someone left and the new one ♥♥♥♥s it up.... in such cases i often start a vote kick.

you should definitly have the chance to improve your skills, and the only way to do it is playing. but in my opinnion the best was to improve your skills is to hear at the advises of others and try to do the same.

you dont have to land 25ers or do death pulls, you also do not have to take all 4 down with your tank. just play as a part of the team and you will remain part of the team.

[surfrock22]

Originally Posted by NoTomatos

Most are asshats in a way. They are aggressive. This is good as you can let them do their thing and you can do more interesting stuff and ensure victory. That's what all the good euro alliances in eve do.

You've got an equal chance in finding asshats in any language..

[subsonika]

Originally Posted by GraboidStriker

I played game with elitist who were yelling at me when I got pounced by hunter.
But when he was running on pipe on No Mercy 5 and got smoked he started to yelling that we weren't there to cover him from smoker.
It's like he is king and we are servants who will protect him from HIS OWN mistakes.
I banned him afterwards.

this perfectly describes the kind of player i meet every so often who completely destroys the fun. i hate you so much mr mic general of the highest delusion of grandeur.

[5thSurvivor]

Originally Posted by alehm

So we shouldn't kick greifers anymore? Because that is what that says... even though I am 100% postive that is not what you meant.

Only two of the reasons I replaced with "Not playing your game how I want you to play it" had anything to do with griefing, but more to do with ego/elitism. Those two reasons weren't even game-ending grief tactics.

[Duskofdead]

Originally Posted by alehm

"Fairness in vote kicking" sounds like a more measured and level headed topic than "justice in vote kicking" to me.

I couldn't crusade for 'vote kick justice' without turning my head to the side and chuckling.

You're just being smart about the point I'm making. Use the word you want. I'm not sure how "justice" being funny for you negates the point.

[FirestormXL]

I dunno, I play ... if I get votekicked I join another game in progress and press onward, repeat until full of L4D goodness. Lol

Also, mic fiends gtfo. I own a mic and have yet to "need" to use it in L4D.

[mudflaps]

reason for being kicked.

people in ýour team dont like you, or the language you speak.

you mic spam

you tk excessivly

you, after 1 hour of playing decide that you pwn and constantly run off without telling anyone of your intentions.

ýou dont use a mic or ingame audio commands, which doesnt apply to infected, so u guys playin without a mic kudos on the whole telepathy thing ! Although I have yet to hear that strange whisper in my ear.

The game is a simple one, its just a pitý there are too many captains and not enough deckhands.

[Teraku]

Originally Posted by FourTwenny

Fair reasons people get kicked:

- They have no Mic

That's no reason to kick someone. Just because they don't have/use their mic is no reason to kick them. That's just elitism.

- They are in a spot that someones friend is coming to take

That's their own fault, they should've made a friends only lobby, then make it public and then start it.

- They are being rude to the other team ("lolumad", "nice boom" after fail, "LOL", ect)

This isn't "Hello Kitty: Adventure Island". The game is rated M for mature, and we aren't 9 anymore.

- They are using HLDJ/HLSS excessively

- They have a ping in the red

It's not their fault that they have a ping in the red, or that the **** matchmaking system matched them to some server at the other side of the world. I don't think people like having to search 15 times for a game before finally finding a good one without getting kicked instantly.

- They argue with someone who is giving them good advice.
Meh, it depends on how far they go. If they're not having fun playing a playstyle that's not theirs then you don't have the right to kick him.

Re-read the red text in the quote.

[Striker Vulsine]

A tip, if you play most or all of a game with some cool people add them to your friends list. Eventually you'll get a good group of people to play with.

Or you'll get lucky and meet some REALLY cool people and you'll only play with them, like the guys I met.

[Pulseczar]

Damn quote editors that make themselves a lot more difficult to respond to.

Originally Posted by Teraku

- They are being rude to the other team ("lolumad", "nice boom" after fail, "LOL", ect)

This isn't "Hello Kitty: Adventure Island". The game is rated M for mature, and we aren't 9 anymore.

"we aren't 9 anymore"

If that's the case, why act like it with all the ♥♥♥♥ talk?

[supamark23]

lol, OP discovered one of the main reasons I don't really play this game anymore (and never play versus).

[Fluffmaster2000]

I think that l4d’s versus mode is not friendly for new players. The basics are actually quite easy to learn. But it takes many, many hours to learn all the spawn spots, strategies, etc. Here are some tips that will hopefully help you.

-Choosing a game-

I’ve been kicked once ingame during the +-700 hrs playtime I have on l4d. I usually play public games, but I choose my games carefully. You will end up in “bad” games often if you chose to join an ongoing game instead of a lobby.

Pubstompers are not hard to recognize:
-clantags
-everyone in the lobby is either survivor/infected. Check their profiles to see if they’re friends.
Pubstomps usually end up in a rage-or kickfest. I usually avoid them (although reverse-stomps are pretty funny).
If the game has started and your team isn’t working together/willing to work together, rage. Its not your fault your teammate’s are selfish. Although raging is considered as a bad thing to do, it’s still better than ending a team that’s trying to kick itself because it isn’t working together properly. Unfortunately good and fun games are rare in public matches. Both teams have to be about the same skill level and the atmosphere should be right.

Id like to add that there’s a difference between a “bad” and a selfish playing style. Evryone was bad once, and I think the full versus learning curve takes atleast 200 hours of experience.
Selfish players on the other hand don’t want to take risks to save their teammates and are more likely to rely too much on the other teammates capabilities. Unreasonable votekicks begins with a selfish initiative.

If your team is social, then you’ll have a good game.

Communicate. People are less likely to kick if they know the player a bit. In my experience the l4d community is not too forgiving, but the majority is still willing to help you. If your team reacts on your communication in a negative way, leave.

-The survivors-

If you’re wielding a shotgun, keep pressing reload while firing.
Don’t grab the hunting rifle in versus
Most people will tell you to melee pounced survivors. I like a combination of both:
-If the survivor is pounced, keep shooting the hunter, then melee if you get close to him.
-if you have a shotgun; run up to the hunter, shoot and then melee directly after shooting.
Smoker tongues have 50 hp, shooting the tongue can be a better option than shooting the smoker. Especially if you have a shotgun.
-While being boomed, search for a corner/enclosed area, but don’t forget your teammates. Teammates with their nickname lower than usual are being hunted or smoked.
-Save Molotov’s for tanks, especially if you’re the only one with a Molotov.
-Follow your teammates and stay close to them. Even if they doing something supid, it’s still better to stay close.

-The special infected-

-Attacking puked or unpuked survivors as a hunter or smoker is highly situational. If 3 of the survivors are biled, and one is unpuked, its usually the best idea to attack him.
-melee/pull survivors helping an incapped teammate.
-while spawning, crouch to make it easier for you to spawn. Works well on roofs and behind low objects.
-Spawn together. An attack usually starts with a successful boomer, after the boom the other infected strike. This is not the rule; if you have a great opportunity as a smoker or hunter, attack.

Hunter:
Basics:
-High damage pouches are nice, but not necessary for success. Its better to stay with your team than to spawn far away at some obscure 25-dmg spot. Personally I like attacking from high buildings. It is, however, nice to combine high dmg pouches with ladders: the survivors “stay” at one spot while climbing, and its possible to deal additional fall dmg.
-melee survivors with low hp from behind to incap them, then run away and wait for other survivors to arrive.
-only crouch if you’re about to jump or if you want to distract the survivors.
-attacking from the front makes it easy for the survivors to block your attack. Same for smoker.

Witch
-hunters are very effective witch enrages. The moment the witch is aware of a survivors presence, run up to her and melee her to make her rage. I like it to spawn near the witch, hide and wait for someone to attempt a crown. This strategy doesn’t really work well if they just shoot her from a distance/ set her on fire though.

Boomer:
Personally I find the boomer the hardest to play as infected. Your timing has to be very precise. If the boomer fails, its hard for the other infected to pull out an successful attack, since they cannot rely on the chaos the boomer causes.

Before you spawn:
-Boomers have a small delay after they spawn before they can puke. Also there is a very small delay between the moment you puke and the “actual puke.” Survivors can melee and kill you during this delay.
- Spawning in front of survivors is risky, because they can see you and react before you can puke. Spawning behind them is risky too; they might be out walking out of your range while you spawn.
-Booming in open area’s is harder, but much more effective. Try to spawn behind trees, poles, cars etc.
-Wait with spawning until the survivors are close. A boomer is noisy, and most players will be more careful while approaching this noise. It’s better to surprise the survivors.
-Boomers can cause car alarms to go off.
-I don’t really know if jumping puking down a building is a good idea. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t. I usually fail while attempting to do this, but this might just be me failing at boomer. The higher the building, the more time you give the survivors to shoot you out of the air.
-puking a but upwards will increase your puke range.

If you survive after you’ve used your puke attack, you can do the following:
-Wait for your puke to “reload”. This is usually a bad idea, unless during a crec. event idea to “chase” the survivors as a boomer. Instead, walk backwards so you can despawn.
-Jump in and try to explode near other survivors. Works well in enclosed area’s and while other infected are attacking. After about 20 seconds (after using your puke attack) you can also summon a new horde using this method.
-Melee downed survivors.

Working together:
-An exploding boomer is a thread to hunters and tanks; it causes them to stumble and let go of their targets.
-After you’ve used your bile attack you can try to block survivors from saving a teammate.
-Puke on distracted survivors; survivors chasing a smoked/pounced victim, running away from tank etc.

Witch:
-puke on survivors trying to crown a witch. But once again, don’t spawn too early.
-puke on the survivors the moment the witch start chasing her victim.

Smoker:
Smokers are pretty situational. You want to focus on the “death pulls” and ledges, in other situations the smoker is a slow damage dealer. There used to be a thread on this forum that named all the good spots in l4. Its worth knowing these spots, because useless other infected, the smoker really depends on these pulls to deal larger amounts of damage.

Working together:
-Spawn after the boomer has done its job. However, a smoker(and hunter) can be a good distraction for the survivors, so the boomer can attack more efficiently.
-Pull survivors who are trying to save other survivors.

Witch
-pull from behind the witch, but wait with spawning.

Tank
-go for survivors with less than 40 health; they’re slower. Survivors with more than 40 health can easily outrun you in open area’s. Press tab to see the survivor’s health.
-if you spawn as a tank you don’t have to attack immediately, the longer you can harass the survivors, the more time you give the other infected to attack.
-Throw rocks only from a far distance, throwing from up close makes you an easy victims for Molotov’s. Not really a problem if the survivors don’t have flammable objects.
-crounch with the tank to make throwable objects (cars, logs etc.) go in a straight line, instead of just bouncing around the place.
-stay away from boomers if the survivors are assaulting you with gunfire.
-The tank is killed extremely fast with autoshotgun;. Be careful in small spaces where these weapons are very effective.
-Handing the tank over to another teammate is ok, if don’t want to risk wasting the tank.

This is just a very small list of all the possible usefull versus know-how crap, ill pots some more if I remember any more tips

tl;dr: Learn stuff & raging>getting kicked

PS. My English is poo, I know