My originalish friendly fire suggestion:

wuped · 11-14-2009, 12:50 AM

If a player shoots someone more then once and then is kicked all damage done by that player in the last lets say 20 seconds should be negated. This would solve 95% of griefer issues. Similarly if someone suicides(There is a clear distinction between getting/boomed/smoker/punched/hunted off a ledge in engine currently you can tell because it gives you points when you instakill someone) and then is kicked within lets say 20 seconds there character should be respawned in the same state it was in. I don't see how this could be easily abused and I think it would massively help the griefing problem.

Hobo Joe · 11-14-2009, 12:52 AM

As far as I know the engine can't tell the difference between a death pull and a suicide, other idea is good though.

You know Valve will never do this though, right?

wuped · 11-14-2009, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Hobo Joe

As far as I know the engine can't tell the difference between a death pull and a suicide, other idea is good though.

I'm sure you get points from booming someone off the edge I think you do from a pull also, infact I'm pretty sureish can someone confirm?

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You know Valve will never do this though, right?

One can hope.

Hobo Joe · 11-14-2009, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by wuped

I'm sure you get points from booming someone off the edge I think you do from a pull also, infact I'm pretty sureish can someone confirm?

One can hope.

I'd have to double check but I'm 90% sure you don't get points for it.

wuped · 11-14-2009, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Hobo Joe

I'd have to double check but I'm 90% sure you don't get points for it.

I know you get points when you boom someone off the edge not sure about smoker ): I'm sure valve could find a way to tell the difference between a death pull/pounce/boom/punch and a suicide though.

Buick72 · 11-14-2009, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by wuped

If a player shoots someone more then once and then is kicked all damage done by that player in the last lets say 20 seconds should be negated. This would solve 95% of griefer issues. Similarly if someone suicides(There is a clear distinction between getting/boomed/smoker/punched/hunted off a ledge in engine currently you can tell because it gives you points when you instakill someone) and then is kicked within lets say 20 seconds there character should be respawned in the same state it was in. I don't see how this could be easily abused and I think it would massively help the griefing problem.

Only possible abuse I could see is if the team kicks the guy then lets him come back in to negate accidental damage from FF. SO anytime they take to much ff they just kick and re-invite.

Xezium · 11-14-2009, 08:04 AM

MY APOSTROPHE KEY IS NOT WORKING.

I am pretty sure you get one point for smoker and hunter instakills, but I do not know about Boomers.

Jesus Christ I need my apostrophe >.>

Buick72 · 11-14-2009, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Xezium

MY APOSTROPHE KEY IS NOT WORKING.

I am pretty sure you get one point for smoker and hunter instakills, but I do not know about Boomers.

Jesus Christ I need my apostrophe >.>

It depends on how much damage you do as the smoker before the person falls and dies. You might get 0 points, but if it's a long pull you might get a few. As for pile drivers, it works the same. Boomer knocks offs only get you points if CI hit the guy before he falls. Otherwise, zip.

I death pulled 2 people in one map on DA and had zero points to my name. They were quick no damage pulls though. I assume it works the same for hunter, someone might have to fact check me on that, I don't recall. Boomer knock offs I am fairly sure on though. No points without CI hitting them.

Xezium · 11-14-2009, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Buick72

It depends on how much damage you do as the smoker before the person falls and dies. You might get 0 points, but if it's a long pull you might get a few. As for pile drivers, it works the same. Boomer knocks offs only get you points if CI hit the guy before he falls. Otherwise, zip.

I death pulled 2 people in one map on DA and had zero points to my name. They were quick no damage pulls though. I assume it works the same for hunter, someone might have to fact check me on that, I don't recall. Boomer knock offs I am sure on though. No points without CI hitting them.

Well doesnt (WHAT THE ♥♥♥♥, APOSTROPHE) the hunter and smoker get one point just for connecting a pounce or pulling a little distance?

That would make the most sense. As for boomer, I dont have a clue.

Buick72 · 11-14-2009, 08:34 AM

I thought so as well, but I have death pulled and just regular pulled as a smoker and got no points whatsoever. As for a hunter, I have had a guy pounced for 2+ seconds and got 0 points. Could be a bug, or could be, well, heck if I know. I also once landed a 20 point pounce and got 0 points. I normally don't pay attention to points, but there are those times when I do something well, (a rare occasion) and look to see how much I got and ... nothing?!

Hobo Joe · 11-14-2009, 08:36 AM

If you pounce a survivor who is being pulled or standing up after being pulled, damage pounces do no damage, and there's a slightly longer than normal delay until you start dealing damage.

Taffer · 11-14-2009, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Xezium

Well doesnt (WHAT THE ♥♥♥♥, APOSTROPHE) the hunter and smoker get one point just for connecting a pounce or pulling a little distance?

That would make the most sense. As for boomer, I dont have a clue.

''''''''
There, a few free ones for you.

Anywho. Just pouncing (w/o height bonus) gives ZERO points. You have to stay on for a little while to start getting points. I think it's the same for smoker. The points start a few feet into the pull. If the victim is free'd (sp?) right away = ZERO points.

Mellemhund · 11-14-2009, 09:52 AM

Points are quite simple guys. It's based on the damage you do.
Boomer bile does no damage, so no points.
Insta-kills is a physics based death, so it's not you doing the damage. Therefor no points.
A hunter DP'ing a person, would give points and if you don't receive in that case, it's a bug.

wuped · 11-14-2009, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Mellemhund

Insta-kills is a physics based death, so it's not you doing the damage. Therefor no points.

This is incorrect, you get points when you boom someone off the edge 100% confirmed and it says "player1 killed player2"

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A hunter DP'ing a person, would give points and if you don't receive in that case, it's a bug.

You don't get points if it doesn't do damage like if you land on them to soon after a pull.

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Anywho. Just pouncing (w/o height bonus) gives ZERO points.

Also incorrect, since a patch a while ago pouncing on someone without height bonus deals one damage hence giving you 2 points.

LimbicLibrarian · 11-14-2009, 02:36 PM

This might cause an issue where someone will simply jump off the edge when on low health or black and white to (hopefully) respawn in a more advantageous position.

11-14-2009, 12:50 AM	#1
wuped Join Date: Dec 2005 Reputation: 59 Posts: 1,719	My originalish friendly fire suggestion: If a player shoots someone more then once and then is kicked all damage done by that player in the last lets say 20 seconds should be negated. This would solve 95% of griefer issues. Similarly if someone suicides(There is a clear distinction between getting/boomed/smoker/punched/hunted off a ledge in engine currently you can tell because it gives you points when you instakill someone) and then is kicked within lets say 20 seconds there character should be respawned in the same state it was in. I don't see how this could be easily abused and I think it would massively help the griefing problem.

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11-14-2009, 12:52 AM	#2
Hobo Joe Join Date: Oct 2005 Reputation: 636 Posts: 4,893	As far as I know the engine can't tell the difference between a death pull and a suicide, other idea is good though. You know Valve will never do this though, right?

11-14-2009, 08:04 AM	#7
Xezium Join Date: Dec 2008 Reputation: 115 Posts: 2,859	MY APOSTROPHE KEY IS NOT WORKING. I am pretty sure you get one point for smoker and hunter instakills, but I do not know about Boomers. Jesus Christ I need my apostrophe >.>

11-14-2009, 08:34 AM	#10
Buick72 Join Date: Mar 2009 Reputation: 9 Posts: 445	I thought so as well, but I have death pulled and just regular pulled as a smoker and got no points whatsoever. As for a hunter, I have had a guy pounced for 2+ seconds and got 0 points. Could be a bug, or could be, well, heck if I know. I also once landed a 20 point pounce and got 0 points. I normally don't pay attention to points, but there are those times when I do something well, (a rare occasion) and look to see how much I got and ... nothing?!

11-14-2009, 08:36 AM	#11
Hobo Joe Join Date: Oct 2005 Reputation: 636 Posts: 4,893	If you pounce a survivor who is being pulled or standing up after being pulled, damage pounces do no damage, and there's a slightly longer than normal delay until you start dealing damage.

11-14-2009, 09:52 AM	#13
Mellemhund Join Date: Jan 2009 Reputation: 29 Posts: 566	Points are quite simple guys. It's based on the damage you do. Boomer bile does no damage, so no points. Insta-kills is a physics based death, so it's not you doing the damage. Therefor no points. A hunter DP'ing a person, would give points and if you don't receive in that case, it's a bug.

11-14-2009, 02:36 PM	#15
LimbicLibrarian Join Date: Nov 2009 Reputation: 0 Posts: 27	This might cause an issue where someone will simply jump off the edge when on low health or black and white to (hopefully) respawn in a more advantageous position.