It makes me sad :c

[BrendanFace]

So many people hate on Far Cry 2. It's one of my favorite games of all time, for reasons that I'm sure all FC2 fans understand (Open world, immersive gameplay, gritty and realistic, etc).

People are entitled to a difference of opinion, but what makes me sad is that it's the people who blindly hate the game without giving it some time are the people that Ubisoft are listening to.

I don't think that Far Cry 3 will be a game for me, and this makes me sad. Far Cry 2 is one of my most loved games, yet the developers listen to the masses who hate it.

Any other Far Cry 2 enthusiasts who want to have a sad with me? Have you found any other games like it in your travels?

Many suggest the STALKER series, and they do come close. But I've finished those games now.


TL;DR:
-Preparing for extreme disappointment in FC3.
- Any other games like FC2, in terms of freedom and realism? (And fantastic shotguns )

[nrnoble]

Why don't you think you'll like FarCry3? I personally have not yet read anything abut FC3.

[B33 ENN]

Originally Posted by BrendanFace

So many people hate on Far Cry 2.
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People are entitled to a difference of opinion, but what makes me sad is that it's the people who blindly hate the game without giving it some time are the people that Ubisoft are listening to.

I don't think that Far Cry 3 will be a game for me, and this makes me sad. Far Cry 2 is one of my most loved games, yet the developers listen to the masses who hate it.

I love FC2, have done from the moment I first loaded it up several years ago and saw the flaming logo, and heard that mesmerising African theme music. It's a game I was genuinely and exclusively lost in for months; and I still love it to this day, even after logging several hundred hours across two versions (disc and Steam) I'll no doubt go back and play it through again some day... maybe for no other reason then to see the sun rise over the savannah, one more time; or pop into town to hear some of the most hilarious conversations from any mercs anywhere.

Originally Posted by BrendanFace

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It's one of my favorite games of all time, for reasons that I'm sure all FC2 fans understand (Open world, immersive gameplay, gritty and realistic, etc).
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Any other Far Cry 2 enthusiasts who want to have a sad with me? Have you found any other games like it in your travels?

But you also have to come back down to Earth and realise that, extreme haters aside, the people that found genuine reasons to dislike it have a point. No game is perfect, but UbiSoft Montreal made some critical and shortsighted design errors in the gameplay. A game like that badly needed some RPG mechanics; a functioning faction system; and some reasonable spawning control; to ensure the player felt he was making progress through the world, and changing it by his presence.

Simply providing a sandbox and slapping a story over it, no matter how beautiful or provocative, was bound to bring controversy from mainstream and casual players. Look at other similar games, such as Borderlands and Fallout 3, they also suffer from grinding mechanics, and certain quarters of players have complained, but the majority don't level as much seething hate as FC2 sees. There are good reasons for that, and they are all over the internet if you care to look

As for FC3, I'm looking forward to it; maybe you can tell us why you aren't?

[Karmatic]

My number 1 reason why I'm not looking forward to FC3.....Regenerating health. And please, God, no bloody screen (SURREAL!) when taking damage.

I rank FC2 in my top 5 games of all time. Hard to rank it over Bioshock and Super mario World. Over 500 hours between disk and steam and i still cant get enough of it. Even though i play the same map over and over again, the general wow of the world and the different ways to tackle the missions keep me coming back for more.

I'm also pretty good at stealth, which i think this game deserves props for it's stealth mechanics. Essentially i'm able to create my own side objectives and achievements if you will. For instance, in 1 playthrough clear 10 different guard posts without detection. really fun to do.

Also played through once while only using weapons scavenged off dead bodies. It enabled me to use so many different weapons. I think i used about 15-18 different weapons in the game.

And as far as creating my own achievements, try some of these that i have come up with before...

1) clear 10 different guard posts without detection. You have to keep track of course.
2) Complete 6 missions with 1 buddy and have their history over 20.
3) clear a guard post in under 5 seconds.
4) complete game without use of buddy rescue. Only done it once in about 12 playthroughs. It was on Hardcore, not Infamous.
5) Use IEDS to destroy 3 moving cars simultaneously.

Can't think of some of the others i came up with before....

[Lepinkäinen]

Originally Posted by Karmatic

My number 1 reason why I'm not looking forward to FC3.....Regenerating health. And please, God, no bloody screen (SURREAL!) when taking damage.

Basically this. From what I have seen the gunplay looks very much like FC2(the most important thing for me, it just clicked), and I am fine with having a more limited world. As long as the areas are still rather large and open, not a single corridor. However I also loved the health system in FC2, changing that into simply regenerating health is bad.

Still I am really looking forward to FC3, and from everything I have seen it can absolutely be a great game.

[BrendanFace]

These are exactly the sort of replies I was hoping for, thanks guy

I suppose I was being a little pessimistic, I shouldn't be hating on FC3 already.

Main things I'm worried about:
-Health regen. The health system in FC2 was SO ORIGINAL. But they throw it away because the mainstream can't keep track of 5 little bars AND syringes.

-Weapons. They have stated there is no more weapon degredation, and I'm okay with that. But it makes me worried that we'll end up with a small selection of extremely over powered assault rifles, like any other modern FPS. The weapon in FC2 are brilliant because each has a different role. They also all have different sounds, which, while less realistic, made it more fun.

-Constant action. This is what really bugs me. FC2 is so immersive because it paces itself. So many people complain about the long drives, but it's what I love about the game. The re-spawning guard posts ensure every trip is an adventure. I know it's a cliche, but it's not the destination, but the trip that counts. I fear FC3 will be a constant shooting gallery because the modern games industry thinks we all have ADD or something and will stop playing if we aren't shooting something every 3 seconds. You can look at any other popular FPS and see that.

Just handing the player some action on a silver platter gets boring VERY quickly. As seen in popular games like Minecraft, making the player EARN their fun will ensure that they come back for it for years afterwards. That's the main point I want to push through to Ubisoft. And I don't mean separate shooting sequences with tripping out. Although that mechanic does look interesting, hehe.

[Karmatic]

i personally also loved the weapons in FC2. Without the exception of the Mortar that is. I've been able to create several different loadouts to accomodate different scenarios.

[B33 ENN]

Originally Posted by BrendanFace

-Health regen. The health system in FC2 was SO ORIGINAL. But they throw it away because the mainstream can't keep track of 5 little bars AND syringes.

Agreed, I liked the health system, it made everything more urgent and consequential.

Nobody liked the malaria, but when I played it, I just imagined that that weas hunger, and the pills were food. If they had done it like that it woulda made more sense as consistent with that feeling of realism and connection of your character with the environment - after all, there were plenty of animals to hunt

-Weapons. They have stated there is no more weapon degredation, and I'm okay with that. But ...The weapon in FC2 are brilliant because each has a different role. They also all have different sounds, which, while less realistic, made it more fun.

I liked the weapon degradation in FC2, although I thought it was a little too quick and it would have been much better if there was a way your character could clean and service the weapon every so often, like you have to with a real gun.

If you haven't done a playthrough of FC2 using only weapons you picked up off dead mercs, then you haven't lived!

-Constant action. This is what really bugs me. FC2 is so immersive because it paces itself. ...I know it's a cliche, but it's not the destination, but the trip that counts. ...Just handing the player some action on a silver platter gets boring VERY quickly. ...And I don't mean separate shooting sequences with tripping out. Although that mechanic does look interesting, hehe.

I loved that aspect of FC2 also, that the game would react to the pace you set. Whether you liked the tranquility of sniping and sneaking your way through like a pro, or were the Rambo-esque rampager who took no prisoners and gave no quarter, the game had a temperament to suit you.

However, although I'm avoiding too much info on the new one, so I can enjoy the experience more fully when I play it, I can understand why Ubi have reacted to the critics. As I mentioned earlier they made fundamental mistakes in the design decisions with 2, and they can't afford to repeat them and wash out the franchise in 3.

There is too much money invested stake by the publisher, too many jobs on the line at the studio. FPS is a crowded market and games have to really compete hard to sell in the required numbers to re-coup that outlay and then yield a profit that makes it worthwhile. People will forgive you once, but a franchise needs to make ammends or it will die hard.

If you want some idea of the pattern, look at Ubi Montreal's Assassin's Creed series. The first game was a major investment in a new engine and gameplay mechanic, but was a monotonous, repetitive loop that felt more like punishment than fun! However, the new ideas in it were well recieved and so see how they went about 'fixing' the sequels to answer those critics. As a result the series has boomed, even if now it is beginning to run out steam.

If we want an FC4, than we have to be prepared to compromise. The issue then becomes, is it worth it to have an FC3 or 4 if it feels not much like the experience we had in 2? Well, that's an interesting question and one that you can learn a lot about by looking at what happened to the FEAR franchise. The first game was ground breaking and didn't pander to any pre-concieved template, but instead learned from prior greats (like Half-Life) and addded something new and great.

Then the studio did what they always do and milked the cow to it's eventual death in FEAR 3, a mere shadow of its former glory. That story isn't new, it's a sad cliche of the games market, and the movie industry before it, and there are countless examples of franchises that took the same route to oblivion. So would it have been better to not have made any sequels? Well, I think there are enough success stories also to make it worth fighting for. The aforementioned Assassin's Creed games only got better with each new iteration, and some classics like Max Payne have been ressurected to brilliance.

I think if FC3 can bring enough new and better mechanics to the replace any that had to be cut, then it could be the best one yet. Only time will tell if FC3 will make the grade though, and I'm certainly looking forward to finding out.

[BrendanFace]

You know, B33 ENN, you're absolutly right. I can certainly find comfort in that. They just need to bring the franchise back into the spotlight with a game that will appeal to the mainstream. If that works, then they can combine the best of FC2 and FC3 to make something for everybody in FC4.

That does make me feel a lot better about it. And at least they aren't completely throwing the theme of the franchise out of the window like with EA and Deadspace 3.

With that fact that a successful Far Cry 3 means more Far Cry in the future, I think I can enjoy it regardless.

Oh, and, Rep for you c:

[FreemanForPrez]

Originally Posted by BrendanFace

So many people hate on Far Cry 2. It's one of my favorite games of all time, for reasons that I'm sure all FC2 fans understand (Open world, immersive gameplay, gritty and realistic, etc).

People are entitled to a difference of opinion, but what makes me sad is that it's the people who blindly hate the game without giving it some time are the people that Ubisoft are listening to.

I don't think that Far Cry 3 will be a game for me, and this makes me sad. Far Cry 2 is one of my most loved games, yet the developers listen to the masses who hate it.

Any other Far Cry 2 enthusiasts who want to have a sad with me? Have you found any other games like it in your travels?

Many suggest the STALKER series, and they do come close. But I've finished those games now.


TL;DR:
-Preparing for extreme disappointment in FC3.
- Any other games like FC2, in terms of freedom and realism? (And fantastic shotguns )

I love FC 2 too, and have since the first time I played it.

I know there are a whole lot of people who hate it, but that means nothing to me, aside from I used to let their comments annoy me.

But those of us who love it know why we do, and I am very much looking forward to FC3.

[Overclocker_]

Far Cry 2 was awesome because it was mildly more realistic than any other game at the time, and because it's damn hard. It's ruthless.

[B33 ENN]

Originally Posted by BrendanFace

- Any other games like FC2, in terms of freedom and realism? (And fantastic shotguns )

It won't give you the same FPS mechanics, but if you like the open world freedom and ability to create your own fun, I highly recommend Just Cause 2.

In my opinion, it is one of the best games ever made. It also has a massive mod following:

http://justcause2mods.com/

[FreemanForPrez]

Originally Posted by B33 ENN

It won't give you the same FPS mechanics, but if you like the open world freedom and ability to create your own fun, I highly recommend Just Cause 2.

In my opinion, it is one of the best games ever made. It also has a massive mod following:

http://justcause2mods.com/

I wholeheartedly agree.

[lion9031]

They really should have added more glider spots in FC2 though.

[Karmatic]

they should have also added mod support...