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Old 04-14-2017, 12:00 PM   #1
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Wink The vicious cycle of trying to play casual Badwater

Queue.

Badwater loads. I get greeted by the scoreboard, the round is over, Snowycoast starts to load. Disconnect.

Queue.

Badwater loads. Red has 4 players. Blue has 5 players. Disconnect.

Queue.

Badwater loads. A fresh round. 24 players. I am in heaven. But wait, Blue has 4 friends with ETF2L High Group winner medals. I am on Red. We have 9 guys with level 1-10 badges. Ultra stomp. Round is over after 3 minutes. Half of red disconnects. No one switches over. No replacements are being sent in. We can't even exit spawn. I disconnect.

Queue.

Badwater loads. The SAME ING game. The 4 guy comp stack still camps spawn. Round over. Scoreboard. Disconnect.

Queue.

Badwater loads. Server is full. Everyone seems to know what they are doing. But what is this? My ping is 250ms? United States Virginia. I live 50km from the Luxemburg servers in Europe. Disconnect.

Queue.

Badwater loads. The 4 guy stack again. This time on my side. We camp their spawn for the whole round. They don't even push to first point. We switch to blue, we push trough, the cart doesn't stop once. They have 7 players, we have 11. No replacements are being sent. Win. Scoreboard. Disconnect.

I don't queue.
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Old 04-14-2017, 12:45 PM   #2
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Uhhh, yeah?

Apart from the first 2 weeks, this is how casual has been. Best you can hope for is that 1 game in 10 isn't a total stompfest.
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Old 04-14-2017, 02:18 PM   #3
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A Vicious Cycle
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Old 04-14-2017, 02:21 PM   #4
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Now if only the game was balanced around the Vicious Cycle videos.
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Old 04-14-2017, 02:41 PM   #5
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And a few years ago we used to complain about scramble....
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Old 04-14-2017, 04:26 PM   #6
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Them's were the simplerest days. When there were regular servers to connect to ...
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Old 04-14-2017, 05:24 PM   #7
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You got what you deserved after this right here:

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Badwater loads. Red has 4 players. Blue has 5 players. Disconnect.
Perfectly fine server. Teams would be even after you joined. More people would join, it's a fairly popular map.

You ed up.

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Old 04-14-2017, 05:30 PM   #8
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Payload is a real bad game mode in casual. Don't play it.
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Old 04-15-2017, 02:54 AM   #9
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Payload is a real bad game mode in casual. Don't play it.
It's so much better in competitive 6v6, right?

Also, Dontango you seem to have a fixation and a lot of bad luck with Badwater.
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Old 04-15-2017, 03:05 AM   #10
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Perfectly fine server. Teams would be even after you joined. More people would join, it's a fairly popular map.
Not necessarily. Refills stop working occasionally, making it a bit of a gamble. It's been an issue since the last big update (Smissmas?).
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Old 04-15-2017, 03:12 AM   #11
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Also, Dontango you seem to have a fixation and a lot of bad luck with Badwater.
We're from the same region, I don't have nearly as much bad luck. The games I've played with dontango weren't that bad either. It would appear he exaggerates a lot.

Essentially he often complains about too many Snipers but he never switches off Sniper himself. He's never not a Sniper. Is anything he says surprising after you know that fact?
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Old 04-15-2017, 04:28 AM   #12
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It's so much better in competitive 6v6, right?
No idea, I only play casual.


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Not necessarily. Refills stop working occasionally, making it a bit of a gamble. It's been an issue since the last big update (Smissmas?).
Yep, since Smissmas. The introduction of mapvote meant servers never completely empty out, so there's a constant and huge demand for refills that can't be fully met.

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He's never not a Sniper.
This explains so much.
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Old 04-15-2017, 05:17 AM   #13
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This explains so much.
What exactly does it explain?

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Essentially he often complains about too many Snipers but he never switches off Sniper himself. He's never not a Sniper. Is anything he says surprising after you know that fact?
Why exactly should the one guy with ~900 hours on sniper switch off of the class while the players who literally downloaded TF2 yesterday stay on sniper and are nothing but dead weight?

Also, i have 50% of my total playtime on Sniper and the other 50% on Scout/Soldier/Demoman. But i admit i dislike playing anothing but sniper when i can be 100% sure i won't get any heals and we still have 3 snipers 3 spies, anyways.
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Old 04-15-2017, 07:30 AM   #14
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I still complain about Scramble, at least what it used to be. They are looking into a scramble on map chance though which I'd be fine with. But scrambling during a match is nothing short of and was only ever used to jarate people off from when I played through quickplay and can stay dead.

If they'd fix refills though that would solve the problem more or less.

Or better yet, people wouldn't drop when they're not being carried in the first place which is the cause of the imbalanced teams in the first place.

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Old 04-15-2017, 08:27 AM   #15
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If they'd fix refills though that would solve the problem more or less.
Would it, though? The main advantage of scramble is that it's so much faster; in the time it takes for players to connect, assess the situation, pick a class and start contributing to the fight, the stronger team could have gained so much momentum that it might be too late for newcomers to turn the tide - at which point even more players start abandoning ship.

I get why some people hated autoscramble, but it really is the most direct way of rebalancing the teams without restarting the entire match. I've always thought of it as a necessary evil, and the way match balance has turned out ever since it was removed has done little to make me think otherwise.
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