Next ''line'' of weapons/items to come as Crate exclusives?

Stric_Matic · 04-25-2012, 07:10 AM

As Valve are running out of new Strange weapons to introduce in Crates and Strange parts will only last them a while, it seems likely that they will have to come up with a new weapon quality sooner or later - a new line of items that are more ''prestigious'' and desirable than regular weapons. TF2's economy will eventually need something like this to keep the appeal of Crates and the flow of the Key market.

But what could they come up with that doesn't involve giving these crate- or Store-exclusives superior stats? Something as ''appealing'' and unique as the kill-recording function of Stranges, but different.

Personally I have a feeling the ''secret project'' might be related to a new line of weapons, either unusuals with particle effects (bleh) or paintable weapons (yuck). Even though certain weapons might look cool painted tastefully, I shiver at the thought of pink Miniguns or lime-green Scatters... That would really put the final nail in the coffin of TF2's visual appeal.

tl,dr: Not a fan of Crates or Stranges or any sort of e-peen weapons in TF2 but sooner or later Valve will introduce a new line of items in Crates - what do you think they'll be? Hope to god we don't eventually get ones with superior stats.

The Medic · 04-25-2012, 07:18 AM

There are still plenty of weapons that don't have strange quality yet, and as we've seen with the S.Pistol and S.Knife, they can always bring back old strange weapons. I think it will be a very long time before they bring out a new weapon quality past Unique, Vintage, Genuine and Strange.

Plus, there are always hats...

spacethief · 04-25-2012, 07:25 AM

Unless the new item type also had counters, I don't think as many people would be interested in them.

Devozade · 04-25-2012, 08:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Medic

There are still plenty of weapons that don't have strange quality yet, and as we've seen with the S.Pistol and S.Knife, they can always bring back old strange weapons. I think it will be a very long time before they bring out a new weapon quality past Unique, Vintage, Genuine and Strange.

Plus, there are always hats...

This, plus strange parts will take places in the crates that would usually be for weapons. So the rate of stranges catching up would be far slower.

hawkshadow741 · 04-25-2012, 08:13 AM

we still need a domination/revenge counter, but making it work would be tricky

Keybored6522 · 04-25-2012, 08:14 AM

There are still a lot of weapons that haven't been given stranges just yet. I just put this list together so it can be reposted wherever it's needed:

LIST OF NON-STRANGES

SCOUT

Primary:
Force-A-Nature
Shortstop

Secondary:
Bonk! Atomic Punch
Crit-A-Cola
Winger

Melee:
Candy Cane
Sun-on-a-Stick
Fan O'War
Wrap Assassin

SOLDIER

Primary:
Rocket Jumper
Cow Mangler 5000

Secondary:
Buff Banner
Gunboats
Battalion's Backup
Concheror
Righteous Bison

Melee:
Shovel
Disciplinary Action
Market Gardener

PYRO

Primary:
Phlogistinator

Secondary:
Detonator
Manmelter

Melee:
Fire Axe
Homewrecker
Sharpened Volcano Fragment
Third Degree

DEMOMAN

Primary:
Ali Baba's Wee Booties

Secondary:
Sticky Jumper
Splendid Screen

Melee:
Scotsman's Skullcutter
Claidheamh Mor
Persian Persuader

HEAVY

Primary:
Tomislav

Secondary:
Sandvich
Dalokohs Bar
Buffalo Steak Sandvich

Melee:
Warrior's Spirit
Fists of Steel
Eviction Notice

ENGINEER

Primary:
Pomson 6000

Secondary:
Wrangler
Short Circuit

Melee:
Eureka Effect

Also:
Construction PDA
Destruction PDA

MEDIC:

Primary:

Secondary:

Melee:
Vita-Saw
Solemn Vow

SNIPER:

Primary:

Secondary:
Darwin's Danger Shield
Cozy Camper

Melee:
Kukri
Tribalman's Shiv
Shahanshah

SPY:

Primary:
Enforcer

Secondary:

Melee:
Spy-Cicle

Watch:
Invis Watch
Cloak and Dagger

Also:
Disguise Kit

RESKINS

Lugermorph
Unarmed Combat
Three-Rune Blade
Original
Frying Pan
Postal Pummeler
Maul
Bootlegger
Scottish Handshake
Horseless Headless Horsemann's Headtaker
Nessie's Nine Iron
Iron Curtain
Fishcake
Apoco-Fists
Golden Wrench
Big Kill
Sharp Dresser
Black Rose
Wanga Prick
Enthusiast's Timepiece

Jifcuits · 04-25-2012, 08:30 AM

something that's really difficult to farm would be good

Stric_Matic · 04-25-2012, 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keybored6522

LIST OF NON-STRANGES

SCOUT

Primary:
Force-A-Nature
Shortstop

Secondary:
Bonk! Atomic Punch
Crit-A-Cola
Winger

Melee:
Candy Cane
Sun-on-a-Stick
Fan O'War
Wrap Assassin

SOLDIER

Primary:
Rocket Jumper
Cow Mangler 5000

Secondary:
Buff Banner
Gunboats
Battalion's Backup
Concheror
Righteous Bison

Melee:
Shovel
Disciplinary Action
Market Gardener

PYRO

Primary:
Phlogistinator

Secondary:
Detonator
Manmelter

Melee:
Fire Axe
Homewrecker
Sharpened Volcano Fragment
Third Degree

DEMOMAN

Primary:
Ali Baba's Wee Booties

Secondary:
Sticky Jumper
Splendid Screen

Melee:
Scotsman's Skullcutter
Claidheamh Mor
Persian Persuader

HEAVY

Primary:
Tomislav

Secondary:
Sandvich
Dalokohs Bar
Buffalo Steak Sandvich

Melee:
Warrior's Spirit
Fists of Steel
Eviction Notice

ENGINEER

Primary:
Pomson 6000

Secondary:
Wrangler
Short Circuit

Melee:
Eureka Effect

Also:
Construction PDA
Destruction PDA

MEDIC:

Primary:

Secondary:

Melee:
Vita-Saw
Solemn Vow

SNIPER:

Primary:

Secondary:
Darwin's Danger Shield
Cozy Camper

Melee:
Kukri
Tribalman's Shiv
Shahanshah

SPY:

Primary:
Enforcer

Secondary:

Melee:
Spy-Cicle

Watch:
Invis Watch
Cloak and Dagger

Also:
Disguise Kit

RESKINS

Lugermorph
Unarmed Combat
Three-Rune Blade
Original
Frying Pan
Postal Pummeler
Maul
Bootlegger
Scottish Handshake
Horseless Headless Horsemann's Headtaker
Nessie's Nine Iron
Iron Curtain
Fishcake
Apoco-Fists
Golden Wrench
Big Kill
Sharp Dresser
Black Rose
Wanga Prick
Enthusiast's Timepiece

Interesting, didn't think there were so many Strange versions missing - as I said, I'm not really a close follower of Crate/Stranges developments. I suppose that between the missing stranges, strange parts and re-issuing of older Stranges Valve have quite some time before they'd run out of options. Strange versions of reskins'd be pretty cheap though. Also, how would a Strange IW or other watches function, lol?

What are your opinions on possible paintable versions of weapons? Or maybe pre-painted versions for those with actual taste? Like a military-green RL or black Shotguns?

Keybored6522 · 04-25-2012, 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stric_Matic

Interesting, didn't think there were so many Strange versions missing - as I said, I'm not really a close follower of Crate/Stranges developments. I suppose that between the missing stranges, strange parts and re-issuing of older Stranges Valve have quite some time before they'd run out of options. Strange versions of reskins'd be pretty cheap though. Also, how would a Strange IW or other watches function, lol?

What are your opinions on possible paintable versions of weapons? Or maybe pre-painted versions for those with actual taste? Like a military-green RL or black Shotguns?

I've really never liked the idea of painted weapons, just because of how much they would break weapon identification. As they are now, every weapon is easy to identify at a distance. If you see an enemy with a weapon out, you can instantly tell what it is they're using, and plan accordingly.

Is that Heavy's Minigun black? Okay, it's Natascha, so I can fight him one-on-one as a Sasha heavy and definitely win. What about that Heavy in the distance, is that Minigun gold? Okay, that means I can flank him and Scattergun him down because the Brass Beast takes a year to spin up. This applies to everything. Scout pulls out a small team-colored thing? He's using Bonk. Soldier in the distance has a tan and green rocket launcher? That's a Liberty Launcher, so has has fast rockets. That Pyro's axe is brown? That's an Axtinguisher, and he's rushing me with it better get out of the way fast asdfasgdsfh you get the point.

In short, since every weapon has a distinct look, they're all easy to identify. Adding a ton of potential appearances to countless different weapons - potential appearances that are the exact same shade of color for completely different items - would ruin this. We're already treading this line with reskins - let's not make it even worse by adding 29 new styles to keep track of for every single paintable item.

Omortus · 04-25-2012, 09:45 AM

Prepare for Strange-usual hats that not only keep track of your kills, but also have particle effects that increase in volume and flare as you hit kill milestones.

mjlenski · 04-25-2012, 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keybored6522

There are still a lot of weapons that haven't been given stranges just yet. I just put this list together so it can be reposted wherever it's needed:

LIST OF NON-STRANGES

This. Also strange parts.

04-25-2012, 07:10 AM	#1
Stric_Matic Join Date: Mar 2009 Reputation: 238 Posts: 1,067	Next ''line'' of weapons/items to come as Crate exclusives? As Valve are running out of new Strange weapons to introduce in Crates and Strange parts will only last them a while, it seems likely that they will have to come up with a new weapon quality sooner or later - a new line of items that are more ''prestigious'' and desirable than regular weapons. TF2's economy will eventually need something like this to keep the appeal of Crates and the flow of the Key market. But what could they come up with that doesn't involve giving these crate- or Store-exclusives superior stats? Something as ''appealing'' and unique as the kill-recording function of Stranges, but different. Personally I have a feeling the ''secret project'' might be related to a new line of weapons, either unusuals with particle effects (bleh) or paintable weapons (yuck). Even though certain weapons might look cool painted tastefully, I shiver at the thought of pink Miniguns or lime-green Scatters... That would really put the final nail in the coffin of TF2's visual appeal. tl,dr: Not a fan of Crates or Stranges or any sort of e-peen weapons in TF2 but sooner or later Valve will introduce a new line of items in Crates - what do you think they'll be? Hope to god we don't eventually get ones with superior stats.

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04-25-2012, 07:18 AM	#2
The Medic Join Date: Dec 2010 Reputation: 1151 Posts: 6,648	There are still plenty of weapons that don't have strange quality yet, and as we've seen with the S.Pistol and S.Knife, they can always bring back old strange weapons. I think it will be a very long time before they bring out a new weapon quality past Unique, Vintage, Genuine and Strange. Plus, there are always hats...

04-25-2012, 07:25 AM	#3
spacethief Join Date: Jul 2011 Reputation: 209 Posts: 1,250	Unless the new item type also had counters, I don't think as many people would be interested in them.

04-25-2012, 08:13 AM	#5
hawkshadow741 Join Date: Feb 2011 Reputation: 1462 Posts: 14,220	we still need a domination/revenge counter, but making it work would be tricky

04-25-2012, 08:14 AM	#6
Keybored6522 Join Date: Jun 2009 Reputation: 407 Posts: 2,169	There are still a lot of weapons that haven't been given stranges just yet. I just put this list together so it can be reposted wherever it's needed: LIST OF NON-STRANGES SCOUT Primary: Force-A-Nature Shortstop Secondary: Bonk! Atomic Punch Crit-A-Cola Winger Melee: Candy Cane Sun-on-a-Stick Fan O'War Wrap Assassin SOLDIER Primary: Rocket Jumper Cow Mangler 5000 Secondary: Buff Banner Gunboats Battalion's Backup Concheror Righteous Bison Melee: Shovel Disciplinary Action Market Gardener PYRO Primary: Phlogistinator Secondary: Detonator Manmelter Melee: Fire Axe Homewrecker Sharpened Volcano Fragment Third Degree DEMOMAN Primary: Ali Baba's Wee Booties Secondary: Sticky Jumper Splendid Screen Melee: Scotsman's Skullcutter Claidheamh Mor Persian Persuader HEAVY Primary: Tomislav Secondary: Sandvich Dalokohs Bar Buffalo Steak Sandvich Melee: Warrior's Spirit Fists of Steel Eviction Notice ENGINEER Primary: Pomson 6000 Secondary: Wrangler Short Circuit Melee: Eureka Effect Also: Construction PDA Destruction PDA MEDIC: Primary: Secondary: Melee: Vita-Saw Solemn Vow SNIPER: Primary: Secondary: Darwin's Danger Shield Cozy Camper Melee: Kukri Tribalman's Shiv Shahanshah SPY: Primary: Enforcer Secondary: Melee: Spy-Cicle Watch: Invis Watch Cloak and Dagger Also: Disguise Kit RESKINS Lugermorph Unarmed Combat Three-Rune Blade Original Frying Pan Postal Pummeler Maul Bootlegger Scottish Handshake Horseless Headless Horsemann's Headtaker Nessie's Nine Iron Iron Curtain Fishcake Apoco-Fists Golden Wrench Big Kill Sharp Dresser Black Rose Wanga Prick Enthusiast's Timepiece

04-25-2012, 08:30 AM	#7
Jifcuits Join Date: Apr 2012 Reputation: 8 Posts: 136	something that's really difficult to farm would be good

04-25-2012, 09:45 AM	#10
Omortus Join Date: Jan 2010 Reputation: 905 Posts: 2,131	Prepare for Strange-usual hats that not only keep track of your kills, but also have particle effects that increase in volume and flare as you hit kill milestones.