Breen quotes that clear up certain misconceptions:

Neveos · 11-05-2009, 06:23 PM

"Certainly, judging from your brief tenure at Black Mesa while I was its Administrator, you showed every promise of becoming..."

This confirms that Gordon was relatively new (being considered as a new guy) at Black Mesa.

"I'm relying on you to fail again, Dr. Freeman. Just as I relied on you at Black Mesa."

Where/when does he say this? When you're tearing stuff apart? Overwiki claims this is a quote. If this is true then basically Breen wanted the cascade to occur, if anyone had any doubts in that they thought he didn't... Now why else would Breen want the cascade to occur than to become leader of the Earth unto the Combinian dawn?

maturin · 11-05-2009, 07:21 PM

Sounds like a beta quote or something. I've never heard it.

maddios · 11-05-2009, 08:29 PM

Maybe it takes 10 years (lol) to get tenure at black mesa. Although that's not really possible as Gordon was 27 at the time.

But you get my point.

mimaz98 · 11-05-2009, 08:29 PM

The second quote was cut. The first can be heard during Our Benefactors.

EDJE · 11-05-2009, 11:28 PM

Perhaps Breen started as administrator after Gordon was hired.

mimaz98 · 11-06-2009, 01:06 AM

I tend to think Breen was around beforehand.

EDJE · 11-06-2009, 02:04 AM

Yeah, same, but I'm really trying to find a loop-hole as to Gordon's time of employment. I highly doubt that he had just started when we first see him.

MyNameDidntFit · 11-06-2009, 02:46 AM

'Brief tenure' could be anything from a week to a few years. Looking at the other employees, I don't think you've have any issue considering a year to be a brief tenure by the standard.

Neveos · 11-06-2009, 11:53 AM

Right, I'm thinking it was also a few years. 3 perhaps.

Sierra Oscar · 11-06-2009, 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MyNameDidntFit

'Brief tenure' could be anything from a week to a few years. Looking at the other employees, I don't think you've have any issue considering a year to be a brief tenure by the standard.

I guess it would have to be comparable to the years of service of the other workers in the facility.

Zekiran · 11-06-2009, 12:17 PM

Exactly. And in a scientific field like theirs, "tenure" is very, very difficult to achieve at all.

Breen could have been there the whole time but not been the Administrator the full time that Gordon was employed. That statement is vague enough that it could go both ways.

maturin · 11-06-2009, 12:30 PM

The wording suggests tenure in the generic sense, not academic tenure. And the staff were unlikely to have tenure in a sensitive government laboratory. They fire you if you don't take your radiation tests, which you can't do to a tenured professor.

KON_Air · 11-06-2009, 12:54 PM

Weren't there an invitation letter to Gordon Freeman from Black Mesa in one of the manuals for Half-life and a piece telling that he grew tired of the pace at MIT working on teleportation technology and moved onto BMRF?

Ya know people with Ph D.s don't stay as assistants for long unless they move onto another project.

Also the removed quote may simply refer to "not sticking alien stuff into shambling machines that wreak havoc across entire BMRF by just working. Not just that the said machine causes stuff to break (and explode a computer bank) by just running diagonstics". Or one more thing guys at Valve didn't think of and will pass it as "mystery".

Edit: Also apperantly Gordon was probably the hottest thing in theoretic physics. Tenure wouldn't be too much of a thing to throw in the basket when you are competing with Aperture Science and... well, f*cking with reality.

EDJE · 11-06-2009, 07:48 PM

He may as well just be the newest of the scientists of Sector C.

There were only 7 or 8 scientists anyway!

Neveos · 11-06-2009, 07:57 PM

The guy is only 27, and assuming he got his PH.D and then practiced a few years at Innsbruck, then that would leave him at most 3 years time at Black Mesa. In comparison to people who have been around since the 50's, he's relatively new.

11-05-2009, 06:23 PM	#1
Neveos Join Date: Mar 2009 Reputation: 100 Posts: 833	Breen quotes that clear up certain misconceptions: "Certainly, judging from your brief tenure at Black Mesa while I was its Administrator, you showed every promise of becoming..." This confirms that Gordon was relatively new (being considered as a new guy) at Black Mesa. "I'm relying on you to fail again, Dr. Freeman. Just as I relied on you at Black Mesa." Where/when does he say this? When you're tearing stuff apart? Overwiki claims this is a quote. If this is true then basically Breen wanted the cascade to occur, if anyone had any doubts in that they thought he didn't... Now why else would Breen want the cascade to occur than to become leader of the Earth unto the Combinian dawn?

11-06-2009, 12:54 PM	#13
KON_Air Join Date: Oct 2007 Reputation: 0 Posts: 43	Weren't there an invitation letter to Gordon Freeman from Black Mesa in one of the manuals for Half-life and a piece telling that he grew tired of the pace at MIT working on teleportation technology and moved onto BMRF? Ya know people with Ph D.s don't stay as assistants for long unless they move onto another project. Also the removed quote may simply refer to "not sticking alien stuff into shambling machines that wreak havoc across entire BMRF by just working. Not just that the said machine causes stuff to break (and explode a computer bank) by just running diagonstics". Or one more thing guys at Valve didn't think of and will pass it as "mystery". Edit: Also apperantly Gordon was probably the hottest thing in theoretic physics. Tenure wouldn't be too much of a thing to throw in the basket when you are competing with Aperture Science and... well, fcking with reality. Last edited by KON_Air : 11-06-2009 at 12:57 PM.*

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11-05-2009, 07:21 PM	#2
maturin Join Date: Apr 2009 Reputation: 62 Posts: 501	Sounds like a beta quote or something. I've never heard it.

11-05-2009, 08:29 PM	#3
maddios Join Date: Mar 2006 Reputation: 53 Posts: 418	Maybe it takes 10 years (lol) to get tenure at black mesa. Although that's not really possible as Gordon was 27 at the time. But you get my point.

11-05-2009, 08:29 PM	#4
mimaz98 Join Date: Oct 2006 Reputation: 518 Posts: 17,032	The second quote was cut. The first can be heard during Our Benefactors.

11-05-2009, 11:28 PM	#5
EDJE Join Date: Oct 2009 Reputation: 9 Posts: 198	Perhaps Breen started as administrator after Gordon was hired.

11-06-2009, 01:06 AM	#6
mimaz98 Join Date: Oct 2006 Reputation: 518 Posts: 17,032	I tend to think Breen was around beforehand.

11-06-2009, 02:04 AM	#7
EDJE Join Date: Oct 2009 Reputation: 9 Posts: 198	Yeah, same, but I'm really trying to find a loop-hole as to Gordon's time of employment. I highly doubt that he had just started when we first see him.

11-06-2009, 02:46 AM	#8
MyNameDidntFit Join Date: Aug 2007 Reputation: 282 Posts: 3,795	'Brief tenure' could be anything from a week to a few years. Looking at the other employees, I don't think you've have any issue considering a year to be a brief tenure by the standard.

11-06-2009, 11:53 AM	#9
Neveos Join Date: Mar 2009 Reputation: 100 Posts: 833	Right, I'm thinking it was also a few years. 3 perhaps.

11-06-2009, 12:17 PM	#11
Zekiran Join Date: Jun 2008 Reputation: 68 Posts: 3,484	Exactly. And in a scientific field like theirs, "tenure" is very, very difficult to achieve at all. Breen could have been there the whole time but not been the Administrator the full time that Gordon was employed. That statement is vague enough that it could go both ways.

11-06-2009, 12:30 PM	#12
maturin Join Date: Apr 2009 Reputation: 62 Posts: 501	The wording suggests tenure in the generic sense, not academic tenure. And the staff were unlikely to have tenure in a sensitive government laboratory. They fire you if you don't take your radiation tests, which you can't do to a tenured professor.

11-06-2009, 07:48 PM	#14
EDJE Join Date: Oct 2009 Reputation: 9 Posts: 198	He may as well just be the newest of the scientists of Sector C. There were only 7 or 8 scientists anyway!

11-06-2009, 07:57 PM	#15
Neveos Join Date: Mar 2009 Reputation: 100 Posts: 833	The guy is only 27, and assuming he got his PH.D and then practiced a few years at Innsbruck, then that would leave him at most 3 years time at Black Mesa. In comparison to people who have been around since the 50's, he's relatively new.