What I think Steam needs more of!

01-07-2010, 05:49 PM

I think steam needs more games that REQUIRE to download and use steam, like all valve games, and COD MW 2. I think this would be amazing, and greatly enlarge the community bringing all types of players and would help improve PC gaming all together

Justin K. · 01-07-2010, 05:52 PM

Yeah, that's the one step MW2 took in the right way ;/

Rossco · 01-07-2010, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Justin K.

Yeah, that's the one step MW2 took in the right way ;/

One step forward and 12 steps back.

They only did it because any DRM/anti-cheat they tried to implement was completely ineffective.

I agree, more games should drop SecuROM etc and just use Steam, it makes it so much easier for the customer.

sypros · 01-07-2010, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Justin K.

Yeah, that's the one step MW2 took in the right way ;/

It did because Steam is Pc gaming.

MovieMan999 · 01-07-2010, 07:24 PM

I don't entirely agree with this. The idea that Steam is easier and more convenient is our opinion. We enjoy the software and think it should be expanded as much as possible. Others may not feel this way.
When you start forcing people to use a program they don't desire to use, that's when your reputation begins to fall. Some people might rather have loads of SecuROM crap instead of requiring Steam. If Steam were to force people to use Steam it's no better than GFWL.

{Yotsuba} · 01-07-2010, 07:48 PM

I personally don't agree with this at all. But then I expect most wouldn't when they find that games requiring Steamworks can be completely IP blocked from being used in your country at the whim of some idiot who thinks you shouldn't be able to play a game simply because of where you live.

01-07-2010, 09:59 PM

As long as punishments such as VAC bans or account disabling effecting all games are there, I don't think many will be wanting to be placing too much faith in putting all their games on steam. Considering they lose ownership of the game, but are just having a temp license to use from Steam.

The moment steam changes things towards game based ownership, no game affecting another, it'll have better chances.

Edit: And added to that, regardless of what Steam does to your game on such a thing, singleplayer should always remain playable.

Only with that guaranteed I'd be for as many games as possible integrating steamworks.

Rossco · 01-07-2010, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by psychodude

As long as punishments such as VAC bans or account disabling effecting all games are there, I don't think many will be wanting to be placing too much faith in putting all their games on steam. Considering they lose ownership of the game, but are just having a temp license to use from Steam.

The moment steam changes things towards game based ownership, no game affecting another, it'll have better chances.

Edit: And added to that, regardless of what Steam does to your game on such a thing, singleplayer should always remain playable.

Only with that guaranteed I'd be for as many games as possible integrating steamworks.

They don't lose ownership of the game. They're just blocked from connecting to servers with that use the same engine. They can still connect to Non-VAC servers and play the single player mode if it's supported.

I think VAC banning is pretty lenient. No matter how much cheating you do, you can always connect to servers that don't have VAC. You keep all the games on your Steam account and you can play them whenever you want.

{Yotsuba} · 01-07-2010, 10:36 PM

They don't lose ownership of the game.

Not for cheating no, but what if you purchase a game over the Steam store and you bank/credit card company then makes an error resulting in an unauthorised charge back? You'll lose all your games then. You may think that the chances of this happening are slim and that it will be easily resolved, but going by the reports of recent experiences from others this may not be the case.

Once such example is a guy over on the GOG forums who lost access to his account for several months due to the actions of his bank/credit card company. And another example was detailed in a recent topic on these forums, where the that person still hasn't gotten their account back because their bank refuses to reverse the charge back.

So yes, there really is a need for Valve to stop this current account disabling practice of theirs.

Rossco · 01-07-2010, 10:46 PM

That is very unfortunate, but most of these are isolated cases. If it's the banks fault, chances are it's a either a mistake or illegal practice, both of which can be resolved with some effort. If it can't, you can take your complaint straight to the top. Most banks deal with millions of transactions daily though, so most of the time it's the user's fault.

If you initiate a chargeback, Steam has every right to close your account indefinitely as you've broken the terms of the SSA. If you've not got enough money on the account or you're going into your overdraft or something like that, that's also the user's fault. It would be no different if you were buying something IRL.

{Yotsuba} · 01-07-2010, 10:55 PM

If you initiate a chargeback

But that's the point isn't it. It's not the user initiating the charge back in either of these cases. It's someone at either the bank/credit card company. And if the bank/credit card company refuses to comply with your request, you've lost your Steam account permanently or for a very long period through no fault of your own. What Valve and any decent company should do in such cases is remove access to the effected games. Not the entire account regardless of who is at fault.

bippukt · 01-07-2010, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Rossco

It would be no different if you were buying something IRL.

How can you make that assertion with a straight face? It is so wrong...

sweetbeard · 01-07-2010, 11:04 PM

I am not really sure how CODMW2 did it.. but I sure wish borderlands did it... whatever it is!

minerva79 · 01-07-2010, 11:10 PM

Steam should have more games. There are still a lot of indie publishers not on Steam yet and they would benefit by getting involved here. Also, I really wish to see Stardock games on Steam. I really really wish to get GalCiv on Steam. :P

ninjaz1337 · 01-07-2010, 11:14 PM

It's like you guys are asking for a monopoly.
You really want Valve to get sued?

01-07-2010, 05:49 PM	#1
bRownies_21 Guest Posts: n/a	What I think Steam needs more of! I think steam needs more games that REQUIRE to download and use steam, like all valve games, and COD MW 2. I think this would be amazing, and greatly enlarge the community bringing all types of players and would help improve PC gaming all together

01-07-2010, 09:59 PM	#7
psychodude Guest Posts: n/a	As long as punishments such as VAC bans or account disabling effecting all games are there, I don't think many will be wanting to be placing too much faith in putting all their games on steam. Considering they lose ownership of the game, but are just having a temp license to use from Steam. The moment steam changes things towards game based ownership, no game affecting another, it'll have better chances. Edit: And added to that, regardless of what Steam does to your game on such a thing, singleplayer should always remain playable. Only with that guaranteed I'd be for as many games as possible integrating steamworks. Last edited by psychodude: 01-07-2010 at 10:02 PM.

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01-07-2010, 05:52 PM	#2
Justin K. Join Date: Nov 2009 Reputation: 21 Posts: 1,758	Yeah, that's the one step MW2 took in the right way ;/

01-07-2010, 07:24 PM	#5
MovieMan999 Join Date: Jul 2008 Reputation: 201 Posts: 1,512	I don't entirely agree with this. The idea that Steam is easier and more convenient is our opinion. We enjoy the software and think it should be expanded as much as possible. Others may not feel this way. When you start forcing people to use a program they don't desire to use, that's when your reputation begins to fall. Some people might rather have loads of SecuROM crap instead of requiring Steam. If Steam were to force people to use Steam it's no better than GFWL.

01-07-2010, 07:48 PM	#6
{Yotsuba} Join Date: Sep 2007 Reputation: 1018 Posts: 5,566	I personally don't agree with this at all. But then I expect most wouldn't when they find that games requiring Steamworks can be completely IP blocked from being used in your country at the whim of some idiot who thinks you shouldn't be able to play a game simply because of where you live.

01-07-2010, 10:36 PM	#9
{Yotsuba} Join Date: Sep 2007 Reputation: 1018 Posts: 5,566	They don't lose ownership of the game. Not for cheating no, but what if you purchase a game over the Steam store and you bank/credit card company then makes an error resulting in an unauthorised charge back? You'll lose all your games then. You may think that the chances of this happening are slim and that it will be easily resolved, but going by the reports of recent experiences from others this may not be the case. Once such example is a guy over on the GOG forums who lost access to his account for several months due to the actions of his bank/credit card company. And another example was detailed in a recent topic on these forums, where the that person still hasn't gotten their account back because their bank refuses to reverse the charge back. So yes, there really is a need for Valve to stop this current account disabling practice of theirs.

01-07-2010, 10:46 PM	#10
Rossco Join Date: Nov 2009 Reputation: 123 Posts: 1,054	That is very unfortunate, but most of these are isolated cases. If it's the banks fault, chances are it's a either a mistake or illegal practice, both of which can be resolved with some effort. If it can't, you can take your complaint straight to the top. Most banks deal with millions of transactions daily though, so most of the time it's the user's fault. If you initiate a chargeback, Steam has every right to close your account indefinitely as you've broken the terms of the SSA. If you've not got enough money on the account or you're going into your overdraft or something like that, that's also the user's fault. It would be no different if you were buying something IRL.

01-07-2010, 10:55 PM	#11
{Yotsuba} Join Date: Sep 2007 Reputation: 1018 Posts: 5,566	If you initiate a chargeback But that's the point isn't it. It's not the user initiating the charge back in either of these cases. It's someone at either the bank/credit card company. And if the bank/credit card company refuses to comply with your request, you've lost your Steam account permanently or for a very long period through no fault of your own. What Valve and any decent company should do in such cases is remove access to the effected games. Not the entire account regardless of who is at fault.

01-07-2010, 11:04 PM	#13
sweetbeard Join Date: Sep 2009 Reputation: 54 Posts: 754	I am not really sure how CODMW2 did it.. but I sure wish borderlands did it... whatever it is!

01-07-2010, 11:10 PM	#14
minerva79 Join Date: Nov 2009 Reputation: 266 Posts: 1,313	Steam should have more games. There are still a lot of indie publishers not on Steam yet and they would benefit by getting involved here. Also, I really wish to see Stardock games on Steam. I really really wish to get GalCiv on Steam. :P

01-07-2010, 11:14 PM	#15
ninjaz1337 Join Date: Mar 2008 Reputation: 112 Posts: 1,130	It's like you guys are asking for a monopoly. You really want Valve to get sued?