New PC- check for compatibility plz!

chaplain_wu · 04-27-2010, 12:05 AM

I'm looking for a new computer, but I'll be taking spare parts from my old computer for whatever parts I can use (ie HDD and keyboard and etc.) If you guys can take a look at it and comment on whether it would work if I put it together that would be great!

POWERCOLOR PCS+ AX5850 1GBD5-PPDHG2 Radeon HD 5850 (Cypress Pro) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card

A-DATA Gaming Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333G (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model AX3U1333GB2G8-2G (x2)

AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor

ASUS M4A89GTD PRO AM3 AMD 890GX HDMI SATA 6Gb/s ATX AMD Motherboard

Antec NEO ECO 620C 620W Continuous Power ATX12V v2.3 / EPS12V 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply

total according to cart: $1,058.92

µR¼ · 04-27-2010, 12:08 AM

Ram. get ddr3 not ddr2.

General Jameson · 04-27-2010, 12:47 AM

As µR¼ stated you would need DDR3 ram, and to match the memory controller on the Phenom II get ram that operates at 1333 mhz and for performance timings 7-7-7-20 or 8-8-8-24 or something similar, the lower the number the better. You could go with faster mhz ram but you would prob see little to no performance gain.

Also do you have a operating system. Sometimes you can do a repair install on a new motherboard, but for best performance and no hitches it is recommened to do a fresh install. Go for Windows 7 Home Premium oem version.

chaplain_wu · 04-27-2010, 01:24 AM

I'm currently going for hardware compatibility; i'll add windows and keyboard later on, jsut to be sure the computer would actually work. This computer won't be extravagant at all, so no need for sound card or nice case or anything.

I'll edit the RAM to te one you suggested. I think the price went down too!

quick question- got any cheapter alternatives to PSU?

General Jameson · 04-27-2010, 03:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chaplain_wu

I'm currently going for hardware compatibility; i'll add windows and keyboard later on, jsut to be sure the computer would actually work. This computer won't be extravagant at all, so no need for sound card or nice case or anything.

I'll edit the RAM to te one you suggested. I think the price went down too!

quick question- got any cheapter alternatives to PSU?

A working computer to me includes a OS, but I know how upgrading on a budget is. I would just hate to have all my new components and no way to use them without a working OS.

A PSU is not where you want to sacrafice. Say if you wanted to do crosfire later you may have to upgrade your PSU along with a new GPU because you wanted to save $20-$30. But something like this would be borderline sufficent for your system http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...82E16817139008 Or a little more powerhttp://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...82E16817371031Personally I would stay with your orginal PSU choice. You may have to use adapters that are most likley included with your GPU for the correct power connector as I think these PSU lack the native support for 2-six pin connectors. I may be wrong im tired just thought about it but should not be a problem.

Ram I would choose this http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...82E16820227478

chaplain_wu · 04-27-2010, 03:40 PM

I plan to get Windows 7; I'm not too worried about not being able to use it, I mean what computer cannot be compatible with Windows? This computer is planned to be high-end, but for things like sound I'm not too concerned. I don't plan on doing crossfire, so I'll take the second PSU you offered. Being the cheapskate I am I'll simply utlizie the optical drives and case I stil have back at home.

Anybody got comments on the GPU? Alternatives?

I think I'll state a hypothetical budget of maximum 1200 Canadian.

edit: Oh I forgot- fan noise is something I'd like to reduce. Theres very little on liquid cooling for newegg and most canadian sites I browsed offer limited selections. ANyone got opinions on reduced-noise fans, for case as well as CPU/GPU? I won't be doing any overclocking or anything, but I refer fanless heatsinks and the like, if possible.

rotNdude · 04-27-2010, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by chaplain_wu

Anybody got comments on the GPU? Alternatives?

I would get a 5850 at that budget.

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...82E16814131351

DHRammstein · 04-27-2010, 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by General Jameson

As µR¼ stated you would need DDR3 ram, and to match the memory controller on the Phenom II get ram that operates at 1333 mhz and for performance timings 7-7-7-20 or 8-8-8-24 or something similar, the lower the number the better. You could go with faster mhz ram but you would prob see little to no performance gain.

Also do you have a operating system. Sometimes you can do a repair install on a new motherboard, but for best performance and no hitches it is recommened to do a fresh install. Go for Windows 7 Home Premium oem version.

EXACTLY what he said, very VERY important and he gave you the numbers. I'm using ..heh, EXACTLY that

As far as power supply, seriously if you can afford it, shoot for PC Power & Cooling, I recommend Modular, but they can be pricey, but very very nice. So many extra wires running everywhere that are just unnecessary and can actually interfere with the thermals of the PC if it's very bad. However you can still be very neat if you care to be, with a non modular.

Anyways, I really like what you picked out. But... rotNdude is VERY much right, grab the 5850, even if you have to sacrifice for it, the difference is...just huge. I recommend 8GB of Ram if you can afford it with a 64bit flavor of W7.

Peace

Edit: This is my memory kit, maybe someone can advise you if it's best. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820145284
I'm AM3 also, 925 @ 3.1, 4890 950/1025. I wanted 965 naturally, but I wanted 95watt, just important to me...so. But yeah, nice cool case with this cpu and mem, and I think it would hook up nicely with your selections. And def grab that 5850!!! Heh, later, GL, enjoy!

chaplain_wu · 04-27-2010, 04:32 PM

Good suggestions- updated with the 5850, though its quite pricey! total cost is $1058, definitely pushign the limit, but garunteed enjoyment. I also too kteh advice of 8gb by having 2 of the RAM I have in mind. WIndows 7 64 is something I wanted as well, so I'll see where I can get it.

DHRammstein · 04-27-2010, 04:41 PM

Oh also, if you're a student, you may be able to get windows/ms office at a discount. Just thought I should add that.

If you can't afford an OS, I'm running the Ubuntu flavor of Linux, newest, it's not bad..once you've got it installed. There are now built in tools for getting the apps you'll need, the only thing is sitting at the terminal gets old. But, I mean, you can do an awful lot with it, and it's free. It will hold you over until you can grab a copy of W7 x64. Well, assuming that's what you'd choose, would be nuts not too. Um, yeah, the new Ubuntu...just..wow. Drivers are so much easier...everything, and very streamlined. In fact I'd run it over XP if I had to...not joking.

Peace

wuliheron · 04-27-2010, 05:06 PM

The 5850 is just an unbeatable choice thanks to its 256 bit bus which makes it more future proof. In another three years a second one will cost you $100.oo and give you almost twice the fps. All you have to do is make sure you have a decent power supply from the start, and a good power supply will last you ten years of continuous use. For that I wouldn't buy anything less than a corsair tx750 not only because it is plenty of power, but also because it has enough of the right connectors for high powered gpus.

If you want a dirt cheap gaming system, buy a console. For pc gaming rigs you have to invest more initially and then reap the benefits over time. Your monitor, power supply, case, os, etc. can last indefinitely and are half the initial cost. Right now with windows 7/Dx 11 just coming out it's a great time to be investing in a gaming rig because more of those initial expenses will last just that much longer.

The mobo you selected has onboard graphics which is a waste if you buy a 5850. The new AMD hex cores are backwards compatible with any AM2+ or AM3 mobo, so I'd get a full ATX crossfire mobo instead. Gigabyte makes a line of "ultra durable" mobo that are a better investment.

chaplain_wu · 04-27-2010, 05:27 PM

My AMD and mobo is part of a combo deal, and Crossfire I'm not too concerned with, but if anyone has any better processor/combo deals feel free to post. As is I'll stick with the current combo.

wuliheron · 04-28-2010, 01:22 AM

If you aren't interested in crossfire then the Antec psu you chose will work just fine.

wluo123 · 04-28-2010, 01:27 AM

The mobo he picked support xfire, so spending a bit more now to get a better PSU will save him a lot of money later on, not to mention running a PSU at lower than rated power draw does have its advantages.

wuliheron · 04-28-2010, 03:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wluo123

The mobo he picked support xfire, so spending a bit more now to get a better PSU will save him a lot of money later on, not to mention running a PSU at lower than rated power draw does have its advantages.

I agree, but you an lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.

04-27-2010, 12:05 AM	#1
chaplain_wu Join Date: Aug 2003 Reputation: 727 Posts: 3,268	New PC- check for compatibility plz! I'm looking for a new computer, but I'll be taking spare parts from my old computer for whatever parts I can use (ie HDD and keyboard and etc.) If you guys can take a look at it and comment on whether it would work if I put it together that would be great! POWERCOLOR PCS+ AX5850 1GBD5-PPDHG2 Radeon HD 5850 (Cypress Pro) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card A-DATA Gaming Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333G (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model AX3U1333GB2G8-2G (x2) AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor ASUS M4A89GTD PRO AM3 AMD 890GX HDMI SATA 6Gb/s ATX AMD Motherboard Antec NEO ECO 620C 620W Continuous Power ATX12V v2.3 / EPS12V 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply total according to cart: $1,058.92 Last edited by chaplain_wu: 04-27-2010 at 04:29 PM.

04-27-2010, 01:24 AM	#4
chaplain_wu Join Date: Aug 2003 Reputation: 727 Posts: 3,268	I'm currently going for hardware compatibility; i'll add windows and keyboard later on, jsut to be sure the computer would actually work. This computer won't be extravagant at all, so no need for sound card or nice case or anything. I'll edit the RAM to te one you suggested. I think the price went down too! quick question- got any cheapter alternatives to PSU? Last edited by chaplain_wu: 04-27-2010 at 01:50 AM.

04-27-2010, 03:40 PM	#6
chaplain_wu Join Date: Aug 2003 Reputation: 727 Posts: 3,268	I plan to get Windows 7; I'm not too worried about not being able to use it, I mean what computer cannot be compatible with Windows? This computer is planned to be high-end, but for things like sound I'm not too concerned. I don't plan on doing crossfire, so I'll take the second PSU you offered. Being the cheapskate I am I'll simply utlizie the optical drives and case I stil have back at home. Anybody got comments on the GPU? Alternatives? I think I'll state a hypothetical budget of maximum 1200 Canadian. edit: Oh I forgot- fan noise is something I'd like to reduce. Theres very little on liquid cooling for newegg and most canadian sites I browsed offer limited selections. ANyone got opinions on reduced-noise fans, for case as well as CPU/GPU? I won't be doing any overclocking or anything, but I refer fanless heatsinks and the like, if possible. Last edited by chaplain_wu: 04-27-2010 at 03:47 PM.

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04-27-2010, 12:08 AM	#2
µR¼ Join Date: Sep 2005 Reputation: 624 Posts: 6,575	Ram. get ddr3 not ddr2.

04-27-2010, 12:47 AM	#3
General Jameson Join Date: Feb 2009 Reputation: 599 Posts: 2,011	As µR¼ stated you would need DDR3 ram, and to match the memory controller on the Phenom II get ram that operates at 1333 mhz and for performance timings 7-7-7-20 or 8-8-8-24 or something similar, the lower the number the better. You could go with faster mhz ram but you would prob see little to no performance gain. Also do you have a operating system. Sometimes you can do a repair install on a new motherboard, but for best performance and no hitches it is recommened to do a fresh install. Go for Windows 7 Home Premium oem version.

04-27-2010, 04:32 PM	#9
chaplain_wu Join Date: Aug 2003 Reputation: 727 Posts: 3,268	Good suggestions- updated with the 5850, though its quite pricey! total cost is $1058, definitely pushign the limit, but garunteed enjoyment. I also too kteh advice of 8gb by having 2 of the RAM I have in mind. WIndows 7 64 is something I wanted as well, so I'll see where I can get it.

04-27-2010, 04:41 PM	#10
DHRammstein Join Date: Apr 2009 Reputation: 67 Posts: 417	Oh also, if you're a student, you may be able to get windows/ms office at a discount. Just thought I should add that. If you can't afford an OS, I'm running the Ubuntu flavor of Linux, newest, it's not bad..once you've got it installed. There are now built in tools for getting the apps you'll need, the only thing is sitting at the terminal gets old. But, I mean, you can do an awful lot with it, and it's free. It will hold you over until you can grab a copy of W7 x64. Well, assuming that's what you'd choose, would be nuts not too. Um, yeah, the new Ubuntu...just..wow. Drivers are so much easier...everything, and very streamlined. In fact I'd run it over XP if I had to...not joking. Peace

04-27-2010, 05:06 PM	#11
wuliheron Join Date: Dec 2008 Reputation: 298 Posts: 2,647	The 5850 is just an unbeatable choice thanks to its 256 bit bus which makes it more future proof. In another three years a second one will cost you $100.oo and give you almost twice the fps. All you have to do is make sure you have a decent power supply from the start, and a good power supply will last you ten years of continuous use. For that I wouldn't buy anything less than a corsair tx750 not only because it is plenty of power, but also because it has enough of the right connectors for high powered gpus. If you want a dirt cheap gaming system, buy a console. For pc gaming rigs you have to invest more initially and then reap the benefits over time. Your monitor, power supply, case, os, etc. can last indefinitely and are half the initial cost. Right now with windows 7/Dx 11 just coming out it's a great time to be investing in a gaming rig because more of those initial expenses will last just that much longer. The mobo you selected has onboard graphics which is a waste if you buy a 5850. The new AMD hex cores are backwards compatible with any AM2+ or AM3 mobo, so I'd get a full ATX crossfire mobo instead. Gigabyte makes a line of "ultra durable" mobo that are a better investment.

04-27-2010, 05:27 PM	#12
chaplain_wu Join Date: Aug 2003 Reputation: 727 Posts: 3,268	My AMD and mobo is part of a combo deal, and Crossfire I'm not too concerned with, but if anyone has any better processor/combo deals feel free to post. As is I'll stick with the current combo.

04-28-2010, 01:22 AM	#13
wuliheron Join Date: Dec 2008 Reputation: 298 Posts: 2,647	If you aren't interested in crossfire then the Antec psu you chose will work just fine.

04-28-2010, 01:27 AM	#14
wluo123 Banned Join Date: Jan 2010 Reputation: 162 Posts: 1,634	The mobo he picked support xfire, so spending a bit more now to get a better PSU will save him a lot of money later on, not to mention running a PSU at lower than rated power draw does have its advantages.