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Old 06-10-2010, 10:25 PM   #106
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Facts are facts, and if you look at the hardware Survey, Mac's have
1. More Ram on average 4 GB > 2GB
2. On average we have more microphones (lol)
3. Majority of mac users are on a 64 bit 2009 operating system, instead of a 2001 32 bit one.
4. Both PC and mac have an average connection speed of about 2mb/s, but the PC average % is 28, the mac average is about 50%.
5. More of our users have the average CPU speed of 2.3 - 2.69 Ghz.
Though it is the average for both, we have (again) a higher percentage in that range.

1. Most gaming PCs sold today run 4 GB of RAM
2. That's correct
3. Most PCs sold since 2008 run 64-bit Windows and unlike MacOS X, they actually run the 64-bit kernel by default. In fact there's no 32-bit kernel in Windows x64
4. No comment on connection speed as that's not a PC and Mac thing, that's just what people have at home.
5. A lot of PCs sold today are quad cores hence lower frequency but still more powerful than most Macs due to the fact that a majority of Macs are dual core products.
 
Old 06-11-2010, 09:27 AM   #107
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Originally Posted by 09rmbrown View Post
Facts are facts, and if you look at the hardware Survey, Mac's have
1. More Ram on average 4 GB > 2GB
2. On average we have more microphones (lol)
3. Majority of mac users are on a 64 bit 2009 operating system, instead of a 2001 32 bit one.
4. Both PC and mac have an average connection speed of about 2mb/s, but the PC average % is 28, the mac average is about 50%.
5. More of our users have the average CPU speed of 2.3 - 2.69 Ghz.
Though it is the average for both, we have (again) a higher percentage in that range.



PC Wins
1. Vram, they have an average of 512 over our 256, though as many reports have pointed out, 256 doesn't really start to hurt you until you reach the 1920x1080 range. Otherwise FPS it almost identical. And since the average resolution is 1024x xxxx it doesn't matter either way.
2. Probably other things


So summary, the statistics say that, if you take a random Steam PC and a Random Steam mac, you will have

Mac
-Faster CPU
-More RAM
-Faster Internet Speeds
-A OS that isn't a decade old or 32 bit...
-A microphone
{The survey for mac seems to not have all the things it does for PC (yet)}


PC
-More vram (negligible)
-Windows Xp....lol!
-ummmm add below?

http://cl.ly/e5d6ed1cc0b71d3f7528
http://cl.ly/59e38725e018cf311167

Lets NOT start a PC Mac Rage war
So mac gamers having lower graphic setting is because of bad porting?
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Old 06-11-2010, 09:49 AM   #108
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The simple reason that macs are ore powerful in the hardware survey is that steam doesn't run on 10 year old macs but runs on 10 year old PCs.

However, I wouldn't say that's an advantage of the mac platform
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Old 06-11-2010, 10:35 AM   #109
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So mac gamers having lower graphic setting is because of bad porting?
Not necessarily "bad" porting, per se. If OpenGL support was there from the get-go, it would undoubtably be better. Apple's drivers are also considered to be another hold back. Apple is working with Valve on that one.
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Old 06-11-2010, 10:54 AM   #110
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I find it disturbing that Mac is better then the PC in the stats. What am I going to blame on my inability to play the game?
 
Old 06-11-2010, 11:21 AM   #111
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I find it disturbing that Mac is better then the PC in the stats. What am I going to blame on my inability to play the game?
Just complain about lag constantly in game. It's common enough a problem that it's believable.
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Old 06-11-2010, 11:59 AM   #112
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Not necessarily "bad" porting, per se. If OpenGL support was there from the get-go, it would undoubtably be better. Apple's drivers are also considered to be another hold back. Apple is working with Valve on that one.
Hurray!
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Old 06-11-2010, 04:03 PM   #113
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"Probably other things"

Do I detect a slight hint of bias here, guise?

Nice, weighing up both sides.
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Old 06-11-2010, 04:34 PM   #114
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PC
-Isn't as priced as badly as macs
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Old 06-11-2010, 09:25 PM   #115
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Hmm, was expecting more trolling lulz, but it must be very subtle here.

In defense of the PC, I recently spent $1200 for a Quad-Core AMD at 3.4GHz, 4Gig RAM, 60 Gig SSD + 1TB HDD, nVidia 250GTS, a "gamer" mouse, and a Windows 7 64-bit OS, it's the fastest thing I've ever had, except for a few glitches.

After looking at Google for shopping terms with Mac, I'm glad I didn't pay as much for half the power and much fewer games. That said, Grand Theft Auto 4 isn't very good.

Wish I could design and sell dual-boot Mac\PC machines out of the box, I'd be a millionaire.
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Old 06-11-2010, 10:07 PM   #116
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Wish I could design and sell dual-boot Mac\PC machines out of the box, I'd be a millionaire.
Apple doesn't like people doing that. Heard of psystar?
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Old 06-12-2010, 12:29 AM   #117
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Wish I could design and sell dual-boot Mac\PC machines out of the box, I'd be a millionaire.
You'd be selling PC-s with the added price of OSX. Who would buy those?
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Old 06-12-2010, 01:55 AM   #118
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Facts are facts, and if you look at the hardware Survey, Mac's have
1. More Ram on average 4 GB > 2GB
2. On average we have more microphones (lol)
3. Majority of mac users are on a 64 bit 2009 operating system, instead of a 2001 32 bit one.
4. Both PC and mac have an average connection speed of about 2mb/s, but the PC average % is 28, the mac average is about 50%.
5. More of our users have the average CPU speed of 2.3 - 2.69 Ghz.
Though it is the average for both, we have (again) a higher percentage in that range.



PC Wins
1. Vram, they have an average of 512 over our 256, though as many reports have pointed out, 256 doesn't really start to hurt you until you reach the 1920x1080 range. Otherwise FPS it almost identical. And since the average resolution is 1024x xxxx it doesn't matter either way.
2. Probably other things


So summary, the statistics say that, if you take a random Steam PC and a Random Steam mac, you will have

Mac
-Faster CPU
-More RAM
-Faster Internet Speeds
-A OS that isn't a decade old or 32 bit...
-A microphone
{The survey for mac seems to not have all the things it does for PC (yet)}


PC
-More vram (negligible)
-Windows Xp....lol!
-ummmm add below?

http://cl.ly/e5d6ed1cc0b71d3f7528
http://cl.ly/59e38725e018cf311167

Lets NOT start a PC Mac Rage war
How about all the Apple computers that can't even run a single Steam game? Wanna count those? Didn't think so.
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Old 06-12-2010, 04:34 AM   #119
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-Moar functionality
-Moar flexible overall
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Old 06-12-2010, 05:43 AM   #120
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Oh look a troll, lets look if we have some food with us to give him!
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