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 11-12-2010, 08:03 AM #2 TomKQT      Join Date: Jun 2008 Reputation: 574 Posts: 4,683 Nice work.
 11-12-2010, 12:11 PM #3 misterfitz   Join Date: Apr 2009 Reputation: 156 Posts: 246 +Rep. Good job.
 11-12-2010, 03:25 PM #4 Apheirox   Join Date: Oct 2009 Reputation: 172 Posts: 1,055 Interesting indeed. Even as a very experienced player I didn't know happiness isn't always subtracted by a flat '2' on every setting. Of course, I almost never play the larger maps. I wonder if this is entirely fair and if it doesn't put Gandhi at quite a disadvantage on these larger maps. Thanks for your research, I've added reputation as well. By the way, I've wondered a lot about how culture costs are calculated. Yes, the game states that it's a 30% increase. But - 30% of what? Compared to if you had the capital only? And in that case, is it really 30%? Because even if I haven't gone into that much depth looking at the math behind it, to me it looks like certainly a lot less than 30%. Does anybody have the full details on how this is calculated? Maybe that's for another thread though. Last edited by Apheirox: 11-12-2010 at 03:28 PM.
 11-12-2010, 11:08 PM #5 Gabriel Pyyrhic   Guest Posts: n/a Firstly thanks all. Apheirox - As far as I know Culture costs have a BASE cost for each policy level ie 1st Policy, 2ndPolicy etc. Now the 30%,20% or 15% is then added linearly (not compounding each time) to the base cost. For example, I often play Huge/Epic which adds 15% per city and has a BASE culture cost for the 1st policy of 35. If I then settled a new city BEFORE obtaining that culture level my cost would shoot up to 40.25, rounded to 40 most likely, (35 * 15% = 5.25, 5.25 + 35 = 40.25). I have checked this calculation with the 2nd culture level on this map size/game speed combination and it worked out as described. At some stage I will try and compile a list of all the base culture costs, across all policy levels, but thats a job for another day. Just remember this does NOT compound, ie the 2nd city has the same penalty as the 1st or the 60th. I also try to settle cities immediately after obtaining a culture level, as this gives you the most advantage for the incurred penalty. So if you are going to expand its better to do it straight after the 1st policy, and then again after the 2nd etc. So long as everything else remains equal anyway. As for Ghandi being disadvantaged, its quite the opposite. Remember the penalty for population remains the same across map sizes/speeds so Ghandi gets the full benefit and has a lesser penalty for settling more cities. So Ghandi gets to setlle more cities, that then get to grow very fat in time, and takes less of an unhappiness hit for doing so (ie 2.4 per city instead of 4 per city). Whats not to like ? In addittion if he is trying for a cultural victory, he can settle 2 cities for the cultural cost of 1 on a standard or smaller map (15% vs 30%). Net result is that Ghandi, like Bismark, Suleiman, Augustus and many others benefits from the larger maps. Hope that helps Last edited by Gabriel Pyyrhic: 11-12-2010 at 11:10 PM.
 11-15-2010, 09:40 PM #6 Zyxpsilon   Join Date: Nov 2010 Reputation: 0 Posts: 25 Thanks a lot for this... eventually, you might want to put it all onto a PDF file or somethin' for others to simply use rather than having to read it here.
 11-18-2010, 01:21 AM #7 Gabriel Pyyrhic   Guest Posts: n/a Will probably do that at some point, when I have a few more things worked out.

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