What's your definition of "camping"?

Luftwacko · 01-03-2011, 02:00 PM

People these days use that term in such a liberal way these days it completely messes up my understanding the word "camping".

Apparently, I'm not rushing hard enough avoid being accused of camping...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvIwjQFJosk

And yes, I like camping (holding up a strategic area and not letting it go w/o a fight) a lot.

EDIT:
pardon the lag. Fraps was trying to be "awesome" while I was recording.

liho1eye · 01-03-2011, 02:03 PM

It's a term wildly abused by softcore players who tried to get into HC. For them if they didn't see you when you shot them - it's camping.

Cloud8521 · 01-03-2011, 02:05 PM

mine is setting up a tent in the wilderness for a night +

GrimCW · 01-03-2011, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Luftwacko

And yes, I like camping (holding up a strategic area and not letting it go w/o a fight) a lot.

in the sense of holding a position during an objective game, i have no quarrels, nore for snipers.
but with assault weapons on TDM/DM games... thats another story.

tbh i wonder what camping is these days myself as i've heard it cried in the middle of objective based match when someone was "camping" to capture the area.

brilliant lot they are these days.
moreover i love the complaints about "realism" being loose and what should be done to make it more "realistic", all the while these same people will cry about camping

such as the "tactical" servers...

pick one folks, a real soldier isn't gonna run around emptying magazines (yes, magazines, not clips) on thin air, they'll bunk down in an area if its their target and hold fast to survive.

digitaljace · 01-03-2011, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Cloud8521

mine is setting up a tent in the wilderness for a night +

Me too but next to a lake with some rods in the water

Luftwacko · 01-03-2011, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by digitaljace

Me too but next to a lake with some rods in the water

+ sticks & marshmallows

homestyle · 01-03-2011, 02:24 PM

camping is aiming in one direction constantly. This is best used in the corner of the room and aiming at the door. This involves not knowing whether or not a target will be coming through the door.

defending is moving around that area and scanning for targets from multiple lines of sight. you may still aim at the door or 1 area if you are 99% sure an enemy will be coming through there... (ie, a nade went off in the room, spy plane shows them coming up, etc.)

this applies to TDM.

In no way should any of these tactics be used in other game modes except for DOM. And in DOM, you should only be defending B or trying to cap B. There is no defending A or C because that means B needs to be capped or B is already capped and needs to be defended.

Wisdom89 · 01-03-2011, 02:29 PM

No, none of this gameplay is even remotely campy. The closest you came was when you were in the upper room of one of the houses - but that's not your fault. When you get trapped up there after the spawns switch, it's open season.

GatFir3 · 01-03-2011, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by homestyle

camping is aiming in one direction constantly. This is best used in the corner of the room and aiming at the door. This involves not knowing whether or not a target will be coming through the door.

defending is moving around that area and scanning for targets from multiple lines of sight. you may still aim at the door or 1 area if you are 99% sure an enemy will be coming through there... (ie, a nade went off in the room, spy plane shows them coming up, etc.)

^ That guy(or girl) is completly right

Players that belong to the ages of 4- 13 years there is a distinct difference between camping and defending.

GrimCW · 01-03-2011, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by homestyle

In no way should any of these tactics be used in other game modes except for DOM. And in DOM, you should only be defending B or trying to cap B. There is no defending A or C because that means B needs to be capped or B is already capped and needs to be defended.

so headquarters, where winning the match depends solely on not only capturing, but holding, the HQ for a period of time to rack up points, this has no application?
or any other objective mode where defense is half the time far more important than having a massive offensive force?

just asking

this comes to mind immediately when thinking of camping discussions though

http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2002/4/22/

01-03-2011, 02:47 PM

my definition of camping -
following the standard gameplay tactic of isolating an area and aiming at it only (so you have no other blind spots where you don't know what's going on except in that zone); but just sitting there and aiming at that spot for a long time and not moving out. IMO, it's inevitably suicidal since you're going to get overwhelmed with things shooting back at you evnetually.

generally, I'd think people would follow the first half of that definition, but keep moving (hence "room clearing" motions. just point around and clear each area individually as you progress)

01-03-2011, 02:49 PM

Well, from an oldschool gamer such as myself, "camping" is pretty much defined as being stationary in an area that does not benefit you or your team in any way. For example, in the early days of CS, a terrorist who sat in a corner for a whole round and simply let the CT's come in and rescue the hostages would be a "camper". A terrorist who sat just outside the hostage room and attempted to stop the CT's from rescuing hostages would be doing his objective.

Sometimes I run and gun in this game, but I also like HQ/Domination primarily. Sometimes I'll just set up shop near one of the flags or HQ and kill anybody who touches them...I don't consider it camping since I am completing my objectives.

That being said, the <20 or so crowd that didn't start gaming until the adrenaline junky games such as this came out pretty much consider everything camping. If you stop to reload, step out and kill somebody you are camping. If you stop running to go prone and snipe somebody, you are camping. If you are setting up an area of denial to a key location of the battlefield, you are camping. If you use a grenade launcher in addition to being stationary, you are worse than a camper

blah blah blah...

Simple truth is that these people are idiots. It doesn't matter what tactic you use, they are mad that you killed them - not HOW you killed them. Any way you did it would be "lame" in their mind. These are the kinds of people that think everyone else in a game should just be cattle for them to farm and shouldn't dare shoot them back.

GrimCW · 01-03-2011, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by bcreps85

Well, from an oldschool gamer such as myself, "camping" is pretty much defined as being stationary in an area that does not benefit you or your team in any way. For example, in the early days of CS, a terrorist who sat in a corner for a whole round and simply let the CT's come in and rescue the hostages would be a "camper". A terrorist who sat just outside the hostage room and attempted to stop the CT's from rescuing hostages would be doing his objective.

wow... CS is "oldschool" now?
dang..
i'm older than i thought...

xel0x · 01-03-2011, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by homestyle

camping is aiming in one direction constantly. This is best used in the corner of the room and aiming at the door. This involves not knowing whether or not a target will be coming through the door.

defending is moving around that area and scanning for targets from multiple lines of sight. you may still aim at the door or 1 area if you are 99% sure an enemy will be coming through there... (ie, a nade went off in the room, spy plane shows them coming up, etc.)

this applies to TDM.

In no way should any of these tactics be used in other game modes except for DOM. And in DOM, you should only be defending B or trying to cap B. There is no defending A or C because that means B needs to be capped or B is already capped and needs to be defended.

So if you are in say, a strategic position covering both A and B, you are not allowed to stay there?
Im talking about DOM here.

Also to the guy that i kept killing over and over whilst being in that position, adopt a different tactic and try to flank me, if that does not work focus on the objective, as that is why you are playing an objective based mode right?

The term camper is use way to much imo. Lets all run out into open fire and get killed instead of outsmarting the enemy and thus completing your objective.

Being good @ run&gun in softcore does not mean you will be equally good using that "tactic *cough" in hardcore.

EDIT : also, this thread is now about the difference between soft- and hardcore

EDIT2 : @ OP, NOT another nuketown video.. please... -_- that you can even be called a camper on that tiny map.

BINGO777 · 01-03-2011, 03:09 PM

My definition of camping:

You're playing a game of TDM on array.

You get taken out from across the map by someone prone with an assault rifle.

If you do what I did and run a big circle around the edge of the map to flank them from behind, and they are STILL there, minutes later proned in the same spot, oblivious to the incoming footsteps from behind..that's camping.

01-03-2011, 02:00 PM	#1
Luftwacko Banned Join Date: Dec 2010 Reputation: 0 Posts: 124	What's your definition of "camping"? People these days use that term in such a liberal way these days it completely messes up my understanding the word "camping". Apparently, I'm not rushing hard enough avoid being accused of camping... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvIwjQFJosk And yes, I like camping (holding up a strategic area and not letting it go w/o a fight) a lot. EDIT: pardon the lag. Fraps was trying to be "awesome" while I was recording. Last edited by Luftwacko: 01-03-2011 at 02:03 PM.

01-03-2011, 02:49 PM	#12
bcreps85 Guest Posts: n/a	Well, from an oldschool gamer such as myself, "camping" is pretty much defined as being stationary in an area that does not benefit you or your team in any way. For example, in the early days of CS, a terrorist who sat in a corner for a whole round and simply let the CT's come in and rescue the hostages would be a "camper". A terrorist who sat just outside the hostage room and attempted to stop the CT's from rescuing hostages would be doing his objective. Sometimes I run and gun in this game, but I also like HQ/Domination primarily. Sometimes I'll just set up shop near one of the flags or HQ and kill anybody who touches them...I don't consider it camping since I am completing my objectives. That being said, the <20 or so crowd that didn't start gaming until the adrenaline junky games such as this came out pretty much consider everything camping. If you stop to reload, step out and kill somebody you are camping. If you stop running to go prone and snipe somebody, you are camping. If you are setting up an area of denial to a key location of the battlefield, you are camping. If you use a grenade launcher in addition to being stationary, you are worse than a camper blah blah blah... Simple truth is that these people are idiots. It doesn't matter what tactic you use, they are mad that you killed them - not HOW you killed them. Any way you did it would be "lame" in their mind. These are the kinds of people that think everyone else in a game should just be cattle for them to farm and shouldn't dare shoot them back. Last edited by bcreps85: 01-03-2011 at 02:52 PM.

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01-03-2011, 02:03 PM	#2
liho1eye Join Date: Feb 2009 Reputation: 104 Posts: 1,806	It's a term wildly abused by softcore players who tried to get into HC. For them if they didn't see you when you shot them - it's camping.

01-03-2011, 02:05 PM	#3
Cloud8521 Join Date: May 2009 Reputation: 102 Posts: 3,451	mine is setting up a tent in the wilderness for a night +

01-03-2011, 02:24 PM	#7
homestyle Join Date: Jul 2010 Reputation: 47 Posts: 1,000	camping is aiming in one direction constantly. This is best used in the corner of the room and aiming at the door. This involves not knowing whether or not a target will be coming through the door. defending is moving around that area and scanning for targets from multiple lines of sight. you may still aim at the door or 1 area if you are 99% sure an enemy will be coming through there... (ie, a nade went off in the room, spy plane shows them coming up, etc.) this applies to TDM. In no way should any of these tactics be used in other game modes except for DOM. And in DOM, you should only be defending B or trying to cap B. There is no defending A or C because that means B needs to be capped or B is already capped and needs to be defended.

01-03-2011, 02:29 PM	#8
Wisdom89 Join Date: Dec 2010 Reputation: 3 Posts: 145	No, none of this gameplay is even remotely campy. The closest you came was when you were in the upper room of one of the houses - but that's not your fault. When you get trapped up there after the spawns switch, it's open season.

01-03-2011, 02:47 PM	#11
ablahblah Guest Posts: n/a	my definition of camping - following the standard gameplay tactic of isolating an area and aiming at it only (so you have no other blind spots where you don't know what's going on except in that zone); but just sitting there and aiming at that spot for a long time and not moving out. IMO, it's inevitably suicidal since you're going to get overwhelmed with things shooting back at you evnetually. generally, I'd think people would follow the first half of that definition, but keep moving (hence "room clearing" motions. just point around and clear each area individually as you progress)

01-03-2011, 03:09 PM	#15
BINGO777 Join Date: Jul 2010 Reputation: 0 Posts: 80	My definition of camping: You're playing a game of TDM on array. You get taken out from across the map by someone prone with an assault rifle. If you do what I did and run a big circle around the edge of the map to flank them from behind, and they are STILL there, minutes later proned in the same spot, oblivious to the incoming footsteps from behind..that's camping.