AA in Dead Space 1

Brom · 01-25-2011, 12:03 PM

I noticed right off the bat a number of jaggies in DS1, but it got really bad when I got to the second level of your suit. The jaggies make this look like a 2005 game.

I've seen alot of conflicting remarks on the AA in this game- that it doesn't really support it and forcing it internally doesn't help either. It's odd, since I got this on the PC from that Gamespot comparison on how much better this looks on the PC. Many others say that as well, but I don't know. Plus, my game seemingly looks worse than many of the PC screenshots I've seen, even ones meant to illustrate the jaggies.

Here's where I've seen it at it's worst: http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/1705/dsaat.png

All of the metal components on your suit have severe jaggies, and there's likewise barely any textures on it, and that machine in the background has virtually no detail.

People have remarked how this was just upscaled to the PC- does that mean it was downgraded in any way graphically?

I guess it might just be that this game wasn't entirely up to par even in late 08- when the opening cutscene popped up, I immediately thought the background with the asteroids and the planet looking like cardboard cutouts was a graphical issue (along with some weird lighting outlines on character models), but that really is just how it looks.

MrXGamer · 01-25-2011, 12:09 PM

Um are you really playing at 800x600? Then of course you'll get jaggies, in-game AA works fine for me.

Here's my screenshot:

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/3025/ds2bn.jpg

Crystal clear image.

Tawm · 01-25-2011, 12:12 PM

Well, with the latest Nvidia 400 series drivers, it is possible to force AA.
Here's a few screens I took while replaying it with 8x MSAA:
http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/9...0123223028.jpg
http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/1...0123211634.jpg
http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/4...0123205511.jpg
http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/6...0123202629.jpg
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/4...0122224528.jpg
http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/3...0122203809.jpg
http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/5...0122200327.jpg
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/7...0122124038.jpg
http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/403...0122024409.jpg
http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/3...0122010905.jpg
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/5...0122012852.jpg
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/5...0122004714.jpg

Surprisingly, it looks like a different game in motion.

Brom · 01-25-2011, 01:29 PM

Yeah, adjusting the resolution did seem to help somewhat- all the way to the right, and it looks like this now: http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/820/dsaa2.png

The textures still look pretty barren though. Not as detailed as your screenshots. And that background machine still looks really off.

I also had a problem with pixelated shadow edges, but those seem less apparent now too.

Alienware Gamer · 01-25-2011, 02:04 PM

AA is fully supported on the following Nvidia cards: GTX470/480/570/580 with the latest 266.58 WHQL drivers & DS1 looks a lot better with these enabled

StingingVelvet · 01-25-2011, 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alienware Gamer

AA is fully supported on the following Nvidia cards: GTX470/480/570/580 with the latest 266.58 WHQL drivers & DS1 looks a lot better with these enabled

Exciting... gonna try it on 2 right now.

Psycho101 · 01-25-2011, 02:20 PM

AA is supported, but unless you know how to use nVidia Inspector and also know the exact compatibility code to use it's not accessable. AA works on any Fermi based card, and by all accounts on some older cards too.

Might seem like minor details, but anything requiring as many steps as that to get working, isn't exactly "fully supported".

The AA support has also been reported by some, especially at Guru3D to blur the game in some scenes. I've experienced this, seems to happen when entering some rooms with certain lighting/lighting effects. Performance also isn't great, probably due to it being a brute force driver AA method. I get better frame rates playing downsampled 3360x2100 with Ambient Occlusion enabled than I do with 8xAA and no AO at plain 1680x1050.

StingingVelvet · 01-25-2011, 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Psycho101

AA is supported, but unless you know how to use nVidia Inspector and also know the exact compatibility code to use it's not accessable. AA works on any Fermi based card, and by all accounts on some older cards too.

Might seem like minor details, but anything requiring as many steps as that to get working, isn't exactly "fully supported".

The AA support has also been reported by some, especially at Guru3D to blur the game in some scenes. I've experienced this, seems to happen when entering some rooms with certain lighting/lighting effects. Performance also isn't great, probably due to it being a brute force driver AA method. I get better frame rates playing downsampled 3360x2100 with Ambient Occlusion enabled than I do with 8xAA and no AA at plain 1680x1050.

Does it use the STALKER profile? That sucker is a performance beast and causes blur at times.

Psycho101 · 01-25-2011, 02:35 PM

Nope, seems it's a custom string. I'm guessing they put in some leg work due to DS2's iminent release.

The string isn't listed by the normal means (hitting Scan Predefined Profiles for info) and needs to be entered manually. The string is

Quote:

0x004030C0

To get any AA settings you want to apply, you also need to set "Antialiasing - Behavior Flags" to "None as the default is "Treat 'Override any application setting' as 'Application-controlled'". You can then set AA in the control pannel or via Inspector.

StingingVelvet · 01-25-2011, 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Psycho101

Nope, seems it's a custom string. I'm guessing they put in some leg work due to DS2's iminent release.

The string isn't listed by the normal means (hitting Scan Predefined Profiles for info) and needs to be entered manually. The string is

To get any AA settings you want to apply, you also need to set "Antialiasing - Behavior Flags" to "None as the default is "Treat 'Override any application setting' as 'Application-controlled'". You can then set AA in the control pannel or via Inspector.

Thanks for this, worked like a charm in Dead Space 2... game looks much better!

Psycho101 · 01-25-2011, 06:14 PM

Cool, no problem.

How is the blur? Have you noticed any? I'm hoping not, but as the first game ran fine 3360x2100 Downsampled, I'm sure I'll be OK with DS2 either way.

StingingVelvet · 01-25-2011, 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Psycho101

Cool, no problem.

How is the blur? Have you noticed any? I'm hoping not, but as the first game ran fine 3360x2100 Downsampled, I'm sure I'll be OK with DS2 either way.

I don't really notice it... maybe really subtle at times, but nothing as bad as say MLAA. It's not the truest AA I have ever seen though, you definitely see some underlying shimmer, but still it looks ten times better than the supposed in-game AA.

Psycho101 · 01-25-2011, 06:36 PM

Aye, the in game AA is definitely a joke

Good to know, thanks. Have you tried any of the super sampling or mixed modes? Depending on your card, 2x2 Super Sampling should be possible, or maybe 8xS (1x2SS + 4xMSAA) might give better results. The newer SGSSAA modes might also work well. They can be accessed under SS Transparency, although SGSSAA will be applied to the whole scene. Have a play and see if you find a better setting you like.

Just have to wait a few more days and I'll get to see for myself.

MultiVaC · 01-25-2011, 06:44 PM

Yeah, I use Nvidia Inspector for it as well. Great program, I would recommend it to anyone with some tweaking aptitude. The 0x004030C0 string works great for both games. It seems to be a little bit better in Dead Space 1, though.

StingingVelvet · 01-25-2011, 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Psycho101

Aye, the in game AA is definitely a joke

Good to know, thanks. Have you tried any of the super sampling or mixed modes? Depending on your card, 2x2 Super Sampling should be possible, or maybe 8xS (1x2SS + 4xMSAA) might give better results. The newer SGSSAA modes might also work well. They can be accessed under SS Transparency, although SGSSAA will be applied to the whole scene. Have a play and see if you find a better setting you like.

Just have to wait a few more days and I'll get to see for myself.

I haven't messed with SSAA since nHancer went AWOL... I'm assuming there is a way to do it with Incpector, so I will have to google it.

01-25-2011, 12:03 PM	#1
Brom Join Date: Feb 2009 Reputation: 0 Posts: 119	AA in Dead Space 1 I noticed right off the bat a number of jaggies in DS1, but it got really bad when I got to the second level of your suit. The jaggies make this look like a 2005 game. I've seen alot of conflicting remarks on the AA in this game- that it doesn't really support it and forcing it internally doesn't help either. It's odd, since I got this on the PC from that Gamespot comparison on how much better this looks on the PC. Many others say that as well, but I don't know. Plus, my game seemingly looks worse than many of the PC screenshots I've seen, even ones meant to illustrate the jaggies. Here's where I've seen it at it's worst: http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/1705/dsaat.png All of the metal components on your suit have severe jaggies, and there's likewise barely any textures on it, and that machine in the background has virtually no detail. People have remarked how this was just upscaled to the PC- does that mean it was downgraded in any way graphically? I guess it might just be that this game wasn't entirely up to par even in late 08- when the opening cutscene popped up, I immediately thought the background with the asteroids and the planet looking like cardboard cutouts was a graphical issue (along with some weird lighting outlines on character models), but that really is just how it looks. Last edited by Brom: 01-25-2011 at 12:05 PM.

01-25-2011, 12:12 PM	#3
Tawm Join Date: Jan 2011 Reputation: 1 Posts: 27	Well, with the latest Nvidia 400 series drivers, it is possible to force AA. Here's a few screens I took while replaying it with 8x MSAA: http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/9...0123223028.jpg http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/1...0123211634.jpg http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/4...0123205511.jpg http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/6...0123202629.jpg http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/4...0122224528.jpg http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/3...0122203809.jpg http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/5...0122200327.jpg http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/7...0122124038.jpg http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/403...0122024409.jpg http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/3...0122010905.jpg http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/5...0122012852.jpg http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/5...0122004714.jpg Surprisingly, it looks like a different game in motion. Last edited by Tawm: 01-25-2011 at 12:20 PM.

01-25-2011, 02:20 PM	#7
Psycho101 Join Date: Dec 2010 Reputation: 135 Posts: 869	AA is supported, but unless you know how to use nVidia Inspector and also know the exact compatibility code to use it's not accessable. AA works on any Fermi based card, and by all accounts on some older cards too. Might seem like minor details, but anything requiring as many steps as that to get working, isn't exactly "fully supported". The AA support has also been reported by some, especially at Guru3D to blur the game in some scenes. I've experienced this, seems to happen when entering some rooms with certain lighting/lighting effects. Performance also isn't great, probably due to it being a brute force driver AA method. I get better frame rates playing downsampled 3360x2100 with Ambient Occlusion enabled than I do with 8xAA and no AO at plain 1680x1050. Last edited by Psycho101: 01-25-2011 at 02:27 PM.

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Switch to Hybrid Mode Switch to Threaded Mode

01-25-2011, 12:09 PM	#2
MrXGamer Join Date: Mar 2008 Reputation: 190 Posts: 1,367	Um are you really playing at 800x600? Then of course you'll get jaggies, in-game AA works fine for me. Here's my screenshot: http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/3025/ds2bn.jpg Crystal clear image.

01-25-2011, 01:29 PM	#4
Brom Join Date: Feb 2009 Reputation: 0 Posts: 119	Yeah, adjusting the resolution did seem to help somewhat- all the way to the right, and it looks like this now: http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/820/dsaa2.png The textures still look pretty barren though. Not as detailed as your screenshots. And that background machine still looks really off. I also had a problem with pixelated shadow edges, but those seem less apparent now too.

01-25-2011, 02:04 PM	#5
Alienware Gamer Join Date: Mar 2009 Reputation: 240 Posts: 1,436	AA is fully supported on the following Nvidia cards: GTX470/480/570/580 with the latest 266.58 WHQL drivers & DS1 looks a lot better with these enabled

01-25-2011, 06:14 PM	#11
Psycho101 Join Date: Dec 2010 Reputation: 135 Posts: 869	Cool, no problem. How is the blur? Have you noticed any? I'm hoping not, but as the first game ran fine 3360x2100 Downsampled, I'm sure I'll be OK with DS2 either way.

01-25-2011, 06:36 PM	#13
Psycho101 Join Date: Dec 2010 Reputation: 135 Posts: 869	Aye, the in game AA is definitely a joke Good to know, thanks. Have you tried any of the super sampling or mixed modes? Depending on your card, 2x2 Super Sampling should be possible, or maybe 8xS (1x2SS + 4xMSAA) might give better results. The newer SGSSAA modes might also work well. They can be accessed under SS Transparency, although SGSSAA will be applied to the whole scene. Have a play and see if you find a better setting you like. Just have to wait a few more days and I'll get to see for myself.

01-25-2011, 06:44 PM	#14
MultiVaC Join Date: Dec 2006 Reputation: 133 Posts: 919	Yeah, I use Nvidia Inspector for it as well. Great program, I would recommend it to anyone with some tweaking aptitude. The 0x004030C0 string works great for both games. It seems to be a little bit better in Dead Space 1, though.