third person cover system..........WTF!

nathan1975 · 01-29-2011, 10:56 AM

please tell me that was just some fancy video editing and that they didnt actually put third person cover system in a first person multiplayer shooter. if they did........WOW. developers stupidity never ceases to amaze me. if it is just part of that anti-camper utility then fine but only that and i hope you only get to use it once every few minutes and not just spam it.

think about it for a second. someone who picks a nice spot on top of a bridge or something can now be seen by someone else who just came around the corner and took cover behind a dumpster.....gee that doesnt sound stupid. what happened to you and your pals (if your playing team) using your freaking brain and figuring out where the sniper is shooting from. you shouldnt be penalized for finding a good hiding spot and i say this as someone who played the run n gun type and was shot by plenty a sniper........as much as a tactical advantage it might be i just get bored sitting there waiting for someone to pop into view.

what happened to actually being difficult, you know, way back in the old days of gaming before all the "kneel to restore health" crap and the quest arrows that pointed you to the exact location of your goal and the massive aim assist that allows a legally blind hook handed pirate with cerebral palsy to hit anything as long as he is basically facing the same direction as something else. *cough* CoD *cough*

Exetus · 01-29-2011, 11:04 AM

Are you special?

Please go play the game before complaining about features. It is very useful and fun ingame, sucks to want every shooter to just be CoD.

No matter what you stated about CoD above that is what you want this to be, how dare they change the "norm" on you?!!?!?

Saijin_Naib · 01-29-2011, 11:10 AM

I agree Nathan, I dislike the third person cover system. I'd much prefer it kept the perspective in first person so as to avoid people cross-camping one another all the while seeing what is impossible for them to be seeing.

AsoBit · 01-29-2011, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Exetus

Are you special?

Please go play the game before complaining about features. It is very useful and fun ingame, sucks to want every shooter to just be CoD.

No matter what you stated about CoD above that is what you want this to be, how dare they change the "norm" on you?!!?!?

Sounds more like he is looking for a cover system that stays within the First Person Viewpoint. Look at Red Orchestra 2: Heroes of Stalingrad for example.

nathan1975 · 01-29-2011, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by AsoBit

Sounds more like he is looking for a cover system that stays within the First Person Viewpoint. Look at Red Orchestra 2: Heroes of Stalingrad for example.

i havent played that game in particular, but if its where you lean out to the side of or peer over the top of the cover your behind then yes thats how it should have been done.

this system is a unrealistic and im not just talking about video games vs real life.....im talking stupidly asinine on its very face. im sure people that suck at video games like this crap cause it lets them see stuff they normally wouldnt see unless they were using a wall hack but some of us dont want to have omniscience on the battlefield. this punishes someone who has found a nice perch that is quiet and not moving in favor of someone who just came running around the corner and hides behind something. the first guy cant see you but the second can? how is that not ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

kikinchaz · 01-29-2011, 11:39 AM

It's simply preference. Rainbow Six Vegas uses a third person cover system and that's a hugely successful franchise.

AsoBit · 01-29-2011, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by nathan1975

i havent played that game in particular, but if its where you lean out to the side of or peer over the top of the cover your behind then yes thats how it should have been done.

this system is a unrealistic and im not just talking about video games vs real life.....im talking stupidly asinine on its very face. im sure people that suck at video games like this crap cause it lets them see stuff they normally wouldnt see unless they were using a wall hack but some of us dont want to have omniscience on the battlefield. this punishes someone who has found a nice perch that is quiet and not moving in favor of someone who just came running around the corner and hides behind something. the first guy cant see you but the second can? how is that not ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

It's not out yet, still in development. But the system is demonstrated here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkk3SiywLHI#t=3m14s

Beezy · 01-29-2011, 12:14 PM

I think the active cover system is unique and useful.

Plus the maps are like a big circle.

If you camp a corner someone is just going to come around the map and knife you.

Give the game a try before judging it so harshly and criticizing the developers.

Billshere · 01-29-2011, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by kikinchaz

It's simply preference. Rainbow Six Vegas uses a third person cover system and that's a hugely successful franchise.

He's right. Rainbow Six Vegas was a really tactical game and the 3rd person cover mechanic really helped make the game much more realistic.

Can you imagine what Rainbow Six would be like if you could just lean and prone instead of the cover system? What next? A tactical planning phase before a mission starts? Multiple squads and entry points?

Who'd play a game like that?

I miss pre lockdown Rainbow Six so much

xbigdrock · 01-29-2011, 02:14 PM

If companies don't try new ideas then our only choices for shooters will be CoD over and over and that game is no longer enjoyable for the majority of people who used to like CoD.

Heids24 · 01-29-2011, 04:20 PM

I take it you never played SOCOM?

DTKT · 01-29-2011, 05:37 PM

Actually, I think the third person cover system is a nice touch. Its probably the only good element from the game.

wazups 2x · 01-29-2011, 06:39 PM

I agree completely. I hate the 3rd person view, it just encourages more camping.

nathan1975 · 01-29-2011, 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AsoBit

It's not out yet, still in development. But the system is demonstrated here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkk3SiywLHI#t=3m14s

wow......thats nice. definitely going to keep an out out for that one. wish they had been more specific about the release date than sometime in 2011.

wazups 2x · 01-29-2011, 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AsoBit

It's not out yet, still in development. But the system is demonstrated here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkk3SiywLHI#t=3m14s

Yep, this is how a real cover system looks. None of this cheap 3rd person view stuff.

Red Orchestra 2 is going to be an amazing PC game!

01-29-2011, 10:56 AM	#1
nathan1975 Join Date: Mar 2010 Reputation: 1 Posts: 66	third person cover system..........WTF! please tell me that was just some fancy video editing and that they didnt actually put third person cover system in a first person multiplayer shooter. if they did........WOW. developers stupidity never ceases to amaze me. if it is just part of that anti-camper utility then fine but only that and i hope you only get to use it once every few minutes and not just spam it. think about it for a second. someone who picks a nice spot on top of a bridge or something can now be seen by someone else who just came around the corner and took cover behind a dumpster.....gee that doesnt sound stupid. what happened to you and your pals (if your playing team) using your freaking brain and figuring out where the sniper is shooting from. you shouldnt be penalized for finding a good hiding spot and i say this as someone who played the run n gun type and was shot by plenty a sniper........as much as a tactical advantage it might be i just get bored sitting there waiting for someone to pop into view. what happened to actually being difficult, you know, way back in the old days of gaming before all the "kneel to restore health" crap and the quest arrows that pointed you to the exact location of your goal and the massive aim assist that allows a legally blind hook handed pirate with cerebral palsy to hit anything as long as he is basically facing the same direction as something else. cough CoD cough

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01-29-2011, 11:04 AM	#2
Exetus Join Date: Nov 2008 Reputation: 287 Posts: 1,904	Are you special? Please go play the game before complaining about features. It is very useful and fun ingame, sucks to want every shooter to just be CoD. No matter what you stated about CoD above that is what you want this to be, how dare they change the "norm" on you?!!?!?

01-29-2011, 11:10 AM	#3
Saijin_Naib Foreign Legion: BoB forum Volunteer Moderator Join Date: Feb 2008 Reputation: 663 Posts: 3,433	I agree Nathan, I dislike the third person cover system. I'd much prefer it kept the perspective in first person so as to avoid people cross-camping one another all the while seeing what is impossible for them to be seeing.

01-29-2011, 11:39 AM	#6
kikinchaz Join Date: Apr 2006 Reputation: 15 Posts: 1,389	It's simply preference. Rainbow Six Vegas uses a third person cover system and that's a hugely successful franchise.

01-29-2011, 12:14 PM	#8
Beezy Join Date: Aug 2009 Reputation: 319 Posts: 2,297	I think the active cover system is unique and useful. Plus the maps are like a big circle. If you camp a corner someone is just going to come around the map and knife you. Give the game a try before judging it so harshly and criticizing the developers.

01-29-2011, 02:14 PM	#10
xbigdrock Join Date: Dec 2010 Reputation: 7 Posts: 81	If companies don't try new ideas then our only choices for shooters will be CoD over and over and that game is no longer enjoyable for the majority of people who used to like CoD.

01-29-2011, 04:20 PM	#11
Heids24 Join Date: Nov 2009 Reputation: 261 Posts: 1,456	I take it you never played SOCOM?

01-29-2011, 05:37 PM	#12
DTKT Join Date: Dec 2009 Reputation: 377 Posts: 2,306	Actually, I think the third person cover system is a nice touch. Its probably the only good element from the game.

01-29-2011, 06:39 PM	#13
wazups 2x Join Date: Feb 2009 Reputation: 1195 Posts: 4,476	I agree completely. I hate the 3rd person view, it just encourages more camping.