can't wait for game, comments on propaganda

[EmptySkin]

Red Dawn was an obvious ploy for US military support for a very very unlikely scenario during the last decade of socviet fears. This game appears to have a story that is much the same.

It would make sense if this was CHINA or RUSSIA, but N Korea?

I personally think the authors simply choose North Korea because of the volitility of the region. (as for the other thread with the korean american, China wouldn't ♥♥♥♥ on N korea if anything China would use them as a stepping stone. Think playing a Civ game and waiting for an opponents army to weaken a city before you move in with one attack and take it over.)

The game is obviously unrealistic from a military standpoint.

What about the US economic woes that plague the introduction? I think that this is a very real possibility. Our banks are insolvent, our government debt overextended, and our taxes too high (yet, not enough! ha)

It's kind of a shame, in my eyes, that the AAA Game industry has given into the same propaganda models as Hollywood. The CFR, CIA, and DoD all love us playing games like these. I only wish the authors would have made the enemies a legit army. (Like NATO invading the US and confiscating firearms.)

FROM THE WIKI for RED DAWN: "The operation to capture former Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein was named Operation Red Dawn and its targets were dubbed Wolverine 1 and Wolverine 2. Army Captain Geoffrey McMurray, who named the mission, said the naming "was so fitting because it was a patriotic, pro-American movie." Milius approved of the naming: "I was deeply flattered and honored. It's nice to have a lasting legacy." - PROOF that our government knows damn well that it was a legend of propaganda this movie. Goebbels would be proud. Bernays satisfied.

Originally Posted by EmptySkin

Red Dawn was an obvious ploy for US military support for a very very unlikely scenario during the last decade of socviet fears. This game appears to have a story that is much the same.

It would make sense if this was CHINA or RUSSIA, but N Korea?

I personally think the authors simply choose North Korea because of the volitility of the region. (as for the other thread with the korean american, China wouldn't ♥♥♥♥ on N korea if anything China would use them as a stepping stone. Think playing a Civ game and waiting for an opponents army to weaken a city before you move in with one attack and take it over.)

The game is obviously unrealistic from a military standpoint.

What about the US economic woes that plague the introduction? I think that this is a very real possibility. Our banks are insolvent, our government debt overextended, and our taxes too high (yet, not enough! ha)

It's kind of a shame, in my eyes, that the AAA Game industry has given into the same propaganda models as Hollywood. The CFR, CIA, and DoD all love us playing games like these. I only wish the authors would have made the enemies a legit army. (Like NATO invading the US and confiscating firearms.)

Russia wasn't an enemy because Gorbachev dissolved the Union back during the Reagan administration. They aren't communist anymore, and thus lose the main reason for being the enemy.

China is to deep into trade with the U.S. A lot of the money flowing in is coming from the U.S so the Chinese wouldn't dream of attacking the U.S The only time they plan on getting into military conflict with the U.S is a defensive war if they ever decide to bring Taiwan into the Republic. That and if they made China the enemy this would probably be banned in China and shut off a huge market for the game.

And if you're one of those people that STILL haven't read the timeline or book, then please go read that or you'll have at least a dozen replies explaining the exact same thing I just did.

[Tr|pw!r3]

I heard somewhere that they had originally chosen China (it made more sense), but were afraid that it might get banned and cut into profits so they chose N.K.

[MADDOGGE]

People simply aren't reading the scenario for this game. It quite plausible if the N Koreans had the tech used in the game to get the ball rolling.



What is it with still trying to make Russia into a bad guy? Russia =/= the old Soviet Union. Russia isn't our enemy. Grrrrrr. Chinas likes our money and the rise in standard of living it has brought it's people. While still a dictatorship is is hardly the failed hard line communist economy it once was. I think of it more like a fascist economy. Socialist/capitalist mix but highly regulated by the State with the State the major shareholder. N. Korea is a rouge State that China needs to exterminate the current leadership before it spoils all Chinas new found wealth having to defend it against being attacked. N. Korea therefore makes a wonderful bad guy for this game.

[EmptySkin]

cmon guys, russia and china arent enemies?

every heard the addage keep your friends close and your enemies closer? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zbigniew_Brzezinski do some reading on this guy.

I'm not interested in fake story lines, i like ones that are realistic and this dude (who is pretty important in the upper echelon of US geopolitics) says that Beijing and Moscow are the US's two most threatening LONG TERM enemies. By this he means for resources.

People who just insulted me about being ignorant of the story and trying to pull some hairbrained economic BS about China being a trade partner with the US, please do a little research. Look at the US trade deficit (65 trillion) then tell me that importing foreign goods is a permenant thing and that china is "better" for exporting all of their products to us for cheap while they live in poverty.

The FED and the BoC have since kissinger and nixon set it up a quid pro quo of trading US debt for Chinese exports. This ended in 2003 (the 30 years Tbonds the chinese bought) and we have been in a mad struggle to get them to roll over the majority of that debt, lest china decides to move the US into receivership.

So, again, please look at this again...

[EmptySkin]

also, pretty sure russia, china, and the US all have relative facsist economies. along with most of Europe.

It's those damn banks!

Originally Posted by EmptySkin

also, pretty sure russia, china, and the US all have relative facsist economies. along with most of Europe.

It's those damn banks!

It works. Unless too many people borrow more than is available...

[Jashin]

Don't be a fool, China doesn't make that much, like 5% of the total gross off of stuff that are made in their factories, pollute their territories. This trade deficit is complete rhetoric. Whoever cooped the myth of Santa Claus and the elf factory was a marketing genius, cus it blankets the reality of big manufacturing businesses poisoning our world.

China's situation is already shifting with more stringent environmental and human rights regulations, the multinationals are starting to look elsewhere to places like India and Vietnam.

[EmptySkin]

http://www.census.gov/indicator/www/ustrade.html

http://www.americaneconomicalert.org/ticker_home.asp


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balance_of_trade


http://www.epi.org/publications/entr...radetestimony/


Not a myth broski. Certainly not just rhetoric. It's not all owed to china, but it is all owed to the BoC, FED, BoE, BoJ, and the ECB. as well as the IMF and WB. and its only a third of the total us debt.

[Jashin]

All of 'em do a straight up count of the dollar value, which one takes into account the environmental damage, the societal damage, and the amount of improvement to our quality of living?

You think you'll be buying $200 ipods if it's American labor building them? I won't even bring up the ipad. A lot of the stuff wouldn't even have been made without the so-called outsourcing of manufacturing. Would you take a repetitive assembly job that doesn't teach you a concrete skill so you can't unionize, and causes certain people to jump off a building and plunge to their death?

[Dabigbom]

Oh, this discussion again.

LONG STORY SHORT

Money sucks, we should go back to trading stuff again.

[Jashin]

Originally Posted by Dabigbom

Oh, this discussion again.

Oh so you know this one.

The point is China may be a runner up and a competitor but to call them an "enemy" is 100% political "rally to me" rhetoric. It comes from the same line of spindoctoring as illegal immigrants are taking our future. Our debt isn't the result of a buncha dirty hands in a big grab bag on both sides of the isle (lots more on right though), or the fact that we actually think we live up to our ideals here, never-mind abroad. Nothing is ever our own fault.

[EmptySkin]

haha people thinking im the one saying this stuff.

zbigniew brzezinski is the one that says these things. We need them to make our lifstyle affordable (lol =\) our debt comes from the FED.

Money sucks.