Let's talk about JETS

[x7string420x]

Sooooo, in BF2 the jets are kinda OP. If a seasoned pilot is behind the stick, they're pretty much unstoppable.

How do you think DICE is going to balance this in BF3 MP?

Slow them down?

Better AA?

and... GO

[Parliamentarian]

They're only unstoppable against infantry who suck. If you're a good pilot, you can dogfight them down. If you're a good tank driver, you can blast them out of the sky from the ground. If you're not a failure at infanty, you can get on any number of AA guns or use LAWs.

If you want to take down a jet with a pistol, you're in the wrong game series.

[0ddity]

If they do it like 1942, with effective AA in all the uncaps, that would be enough for me. Maybe some kind of infantry based heat seeking AA would be cool too, like a Stinger.

[brphoenix]

Originally Posted by Parliamentarian

If you want to take down a jet with a pistol, you're in the wrong game series.

How awesome would THAT be, though?

[Razoride]

Let's talk about jets baby

Let's talk about all the good things
And the bad things that may be
Let's talk about jets
Let's talk about jets
Let's talk about jets
Let's talk about jets

[Parliamentarian]

Originally Posted by brphoenix

How awesome would THAT be, though?

And actually, I should have worded that differently, because technically you CAN bring down a jet with a pistol... By shooting the pilot.

[Jackal Turner]

Originally Posted by Parliamentarian

And actually, I should have worded that differently, because technically you CAN bring down a jet with a pistol... By shooting the pilot.

Not while he is in the jet you can't. Almost all modern jets have the toughest bullet proof glass you could possibly find.

So unless you are his co-pilot, you won't be shooting him with a pistol while he is in the air, which means you won't be bringing him down.

[Parliamentarian]

Originally Posted by Jackal Turner

Not while he is in the jet you can't. Almost all modern jets have the toughest bullet proof glass you could possibly find.

So unless you are his co-pilot, you won't be shooting him with a pistol while he is in the air, which means you won't be bringing him down.

We're not talking about real life here. We're talking about a video game.

I wish I could find that awesome video of these guys dogfighting, keep missing, so finally one guy bails out, snipes the other pilot, and then gets back into his own jet before hitting the ground, but I've had no luck in finding it again to show my friends IRL

[lilbabycat]

Originally Posted by Parliamentarian

They're only unstoppable against infantry who suck. If you're a good pilot, you can dogfight them down. If you're a good tank driver, you can blast them out of the sky from the ground. If you're not a failure at infanty, you can get on any number of AA guns or use LAWs.

If you want to take down a jet with a pistol, you're in the wrong game series.

Hate to say it but IRL you can take down a jet with a pistol if you shot it in the right places... I know this isn't "the realism discussion", but I'm saying it is possible. Helicopters too, even attack ones.

I'd say, if they made the hitboxes for the jets "correct" and say left like a weak area that would be extremely hard to hit unless the jet was stationary; that would be completely fair...and of course make for some fun Pistol vs Jet matches.

Also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLUGBujl2-0

[Parliamentarian]

Originally Posted by lilbabycat

Hate to say it but IRL you can take down a jet with a pistol if you shot it in the right places... I know this isn't "the realism discussion", but I'm saying it is possible. Helicopters too, even attack ones.

That would be a serious design flaw if small arms could destroy it. The kinda flaw only seen in the wars among the stars.

But I'm sure YOU could do it. Didn't you used to bullseye womp rats in your T-16 back home?

[H3adCas3z]

Originally Posted by brphoenix

How awesome would THAT be, though?

Johnny, you see me take down that chopper with my duel .22's!?

Originally Posted by Razoride

Let's talk about jets baby

Let's talk about all the good things
And the bad things that may be
Let's talk about jets
Let's talk about jets
Let's talk about jets
Let's talk about jets

90's throwback... I like it

[flarp]

Probably by placing 15 different types of AA weapons every 3 feet like they did in BC2.

It's so ridiculous in BC2, that helicopters are downright useless.

Also if jets can be shout out of the sky by infantry (unless they have an AA capable weapon) or tanks, then i am going to be very disappointed in DICE...

[Jackal Turner]

Originally Posted by Parliamentarian

That would be a serious design flaw if small arms could destroy it. The kinda flaw only seen in the wars among the stars.

But I'm sure YOU could do it. Didn't you used to bullseye womp rats in your T-16 back home?

+1 Rep to you good sir!

[Zefar]

Originally Posted by Parliamentarian

They're only unstoppable against infantry who suck. If you're a good pilot, you can dogfight them down. If you're a good tank driver, you can blast them out of the sky from the ground. If you're not a failure at infanty, you can get on any number of AA guns or use LAWs.

If you want to take down a jet with a pistol, you're in the wrong game series.

As a infantry in BF2 your options against jets where.

1: AA turrets that pilots can and will avoid and destroy a moment later. Thus leaving you quite dead if you stay in it. I've tried to get jets but the only thing they did was turbo away from my reach which was either up or away. Then came back and had a perfect fire on the AA turret.
2: AA tank. Granted this is probably the 2:nd best thing against jets but still it only appear on like one or two maps at the spawn or close to it. You could still be bombed to oblivion quite fast as well.
3: Tank. Well the fact that you're in a tank means that any Jet will go for you and they need to fly pretty low before you can actually hit them. They also fly around relative fast as well.
4: Best option to kill them is to be in the aircraft carrier turret and try to get the jet down. Sadly most jets will avoid the aircraft carrier most of the time due to this.

So no, Jets are just not easy to deal with and people who think that usually are delusional about it. They where Overpowered and the fact that Infantry only got so popular compared to any Jet map shows that.


DICE needs to give us AA stuff that would make flying more skillful and actually need more skill to stay alive.


flarp: Actually a map might have one or two Anti Air guns. They have in no way put them all over the place unless now you can provide proof of it. Which you won't.

If a chopper pilot picked Flares(Vehicle smoke) he could be up for quite some time before he's finally killed. As it was Tracers that helped a lot. Sadly most people didn't use them.

[flarp]

Originally Posted by Zefar

flarp: Actually a map might have one or two Anti Air guns. They have in no way put them all over the place unless now you can provide proof of it. Which you won't.

If a chopper pilot picked Flares(Vehicle smoke) he could be up for quite some time before he's finally killed. As it was Tracers that helped a lot. Sadly most people didn't use them.

I dont suppose the the 10,000 mg turrets pointed at the sky count is that correct?

The moment a chopper lifts off the ground every single lmg, tank mg, mounted mg, tracer dart, etc is hurled towards the chopper. Upon which rounds violently toss the chopper around the sky and make impossible to control.

Last i checked, countermeasures such as flares are rather useless against bullets.

This could be remedied by either adding hellfire missiles and a TADS system so the helicopter can hover a few miles away and engage targets as in real life, or tone down the effects of mg fire against the helicopter.

Making them easy to shoot down doest necessarily imply it takes skill to fly one; instead the pilot has to constantly evade rather than do his job.

Helicopter and Jets are feared and devastating instruments of the battlefield, and this game should at least somewhat reflect that.