Bomber

Aglari · 06-08-2011, 08:49 PM

Am I missing something? The bomber seems to do barely any damage compared to the other ships, am I doing something wrong? (yes, I am detonating my shots)

Kiljoy66 · 06-09-2011, 12:41 AM

I think the bomber is a horrible ship, the weapon is laughable and the alternate is just as much, very little damage from the bubbles and you need to MISS your targets just slightly to detonate them and possibly do decent damage but of course it detonates EVERY shot so you get to start all over while dodging who knows how many bullets.

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Even with coop I really don't see what good that ship would do, not much of a 'bomber' if you ask me.

xristosx · 06-09-2011, 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Aglari

Am I missing something? The bomber seems to do barely any damage compared to the other ships, am I doing something wrong? (yes, I am detonating my shots)

From what i can tell it seems to be the worst possible ship, detonating your shots probably do cause more dmg, but for what it does the other ships work way better.
I mean if its shots passed through enemies, that might of been useful, but they dont, so its ♥♥♥♥.

... there must be something else to it

zelgaris · 06-10-2011, 04:11 AM

It's basically a melee-type ship and If you are into flying toward your death, it's a good choice. When using it this way, it's hard but effective.

Kiljoy66 · 06-10-2011, 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by zelgaris

It's basically a melee-type ship and If you are into flying toward your death, it's a good choice. When using it this way, it's hard but effective.

I just gave this ship another try on normal just to see if I could figure this damn thing out and all I could figure out is, it is just weak as all hell, nice when you can blow small things up in mass but that's only small crap, hell the beginning walkers in stage 1 take forever to kill it's really quite the sad ship.

Hell the stage 1 boss took ages just trying to get a good amount of bubbles near it to detonate and do pitiful damage for something named 'bomber'.

I guess the 'unique' ships in this game is code for 'useless' since I just don't seem to like ANY of them except maybe the charger ship, the wave cannon one that you can aim is nice but the fact that you don't slow down when you engage the alt fire to aim is a serious PITA.

Ceracryst · 06-11-2011, 02:56 PM

I tried out the bomber, and yeah - I didn't get it.

It does a good job wiping out the 1-shot mooks, but it's absolute balls against anything that's tougher. I wonder how much damage detonating the shots does.

If it's actually a good return on damage, maybe the trick is to shoot to the side of the enemy and detonate the shot-strain that way.

TimrodDX · 06-11-2011, 03:28 PM

Honestly, I think they should do away with the Bomber in its current form. What I'd do is something like this:

Current Bomber: Removed.

Charge: Renamed to Bomber. Alt-fire now detonates on impact with an enemy, or upon being shot by primary fire. Explosion does AOE damage and sends out smaller projectiles in a ring, amount depends on how big the "charge ball" is.

New Ship: Renamed to Charge. Acts like the R-9 in R-Type. Primary fire is a mid-damage stream of bullets. Hold alt-fire to charge a beam attack, which gets wider, lasts longer, and does more damage depending on how long the button is held for.

bankaiuser · 06-11-2011, 04:27 PM

I agree. Bomber just sucks

Kiljoy66 · 06-11-2011, 06:29 PM

I haven't gotten around to trying out the 'buffed' bomber, is it still about as useless as it was in release?

Giest118 · 06-11-2011, 06:56 PM

... Yeah, the bomber still pretty much sucks.

Developers, I have a suggestion. Ditch the "detonateable shots" idea. Instead, have the basic shot be some average firepower, while the special shot is a single bomb that, on impact, does a large amount of damage over a big area. The catch is that if you use the bomb, you're unable to attack for a short period of time. So, very powerful, but you need to make your shots count.

DanDead · 06-12-2011, 07:09 AM

Beam and Charge are the only two ships worth using in my opinion. Charge is espeically good for killing big ships, espeically bosses as it's charge attack can destroy any boss form in two shots.

Tulipopa · 06-12-2011, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by DanDead

Beam and Charge are the only two ships worth using in my opinion.

Gunner is great as well, maybe you haven't gotten good at using it yet.

DanDead · 06-12-2011, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Tulipopa

Gunner is great as well, maybe you haven't gotten good at using it yet.

I did not find much of a point for Gunner to be brutaly honest. You rarely need to attack from the sides or behind and the directional gun itself does not do as much damage as a gaint laser beam or the charge shot.

Another annoying thing is that you can not slow the ship down to dodge tight bullet paterns. The same can be said for charge but you can fire then move out the way in time, I have yet to manage to pull that off effectively with the gunner ship.

Something that would be awesome is if you could control the gunner with the right annoluge stick. That would make using it a lot less fiddly that's for sure.

Tulipopa · 06-12-2011, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by DanDead

Something that would be awesome is if you could control the gunner with the right annoluge stick. That would make using it a lot less fiddly that's for sure.

Some people think that that would be overpowering.
Also it wouldn't work on the mouse or on the keyboard at all, which would make it unfair for those who don't play with a gamepad.

teQ · 06-12-2011, 07:57 AM

Bomber as it is is an awful ship.

Gunner, in my opinion, is by far the best ship to use in most situations. It has the potential to attack from any position on the screen. The beam and charge ships are good but when you have things behind you homing in there is no possible way to get rid of them unless you have a gap in the bullets or a vaunt to use.

06-08-2011, 08:49 PM	#1
Aglari Join Date: Feb 2009 Reputation: 8 Posts: 163	Bomber Am I missing something? The bomber seems to do barely any damage compared to the other ships, am I doing something wrong? (yes, I am detonating my shots)

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06-09-2011, 12:41 AM	#2
Kiljoy66 Join Date: Feb 2006 Reputation: 47 Posts: 1,707	I think the bomber is a horrible ship, the weapon is laughable and the alternate is just as much, very little damage from the bubbles and you need to MISS your targets just slightly to detonate them and possibly do decent damage but of course it detonates EVERY shot so you get to start all over while dodging who knows how many bullets. ... Even with coop I really don't see what good that ship would do, not much of a 'bomber' if you ask me.

06-10-2011, 04:11 AM	#4
zelgaris Join Date: Apr 2011 Reputation: 0 Posts: 39	It's basically a melee-type ship and If you are into flying toward your death, it's a good choice. When using it this way, it's hard but effective.

06-11-2011, 02:56 PM	#6
Ceracryst Join Date: Nov 2008 Reputation: 1 Posts: 123	I tried out the bomber, and yeah - I didn't get it. It does a good job wiping out the 1-shot mooks, but it's absolute balls against anything that's tougher. I wonder how much damage detonating the shots does. If it's actually a good return on damage, maybe the trick is to shoot to the side of the enemy and detonate the shot-strain that way.

06-11-2011, 03:28 PM	#7
TimrodDX Join Date: Jun 2009 Reputation: 164 Posts: 342	Honestly, I think they should do away with the Bomber in its current form. What I'd do is something like this: Current Bomber: Removed. Charge: Renamed to Bomber. Alt-fire now detonates on impact with an enemy, or upon being shot by primary fire. Explosion does AOE damage and sends out smaller projectiles in a ring, amount depends on how big the "charge ball" is. New Ship: Renamed to Charge. Acts like the R-9 in R-Type. Primary fire is a mid-damage stream of bullets. Hold alt-fire to charge a beam attack, which gets wider, lasts longer, and does more damage depending on how long the button is held for.

06-11-2011, 04:27 PM	#8
bankaiuser Join Date: Jan 2009 Reputation: 24 Posts: 336	I agree. Bomber just sucks

06-11-2011, 06:29 PM	#9
Kiljoy66 Join Date: Feb 2006 Reputation: 47 Posts: 1,707	I haven't gotten around to trying out the 'buffed' bomber, is it still about as useless as it was in release?

06-11-2011, 06:56 PM	#10
Giest118 Join Date: Jun 2011 Reputation: 22 Posts: 119	... Yeah, the bomber still pretty much sucks. Developers, I have a suggestion. Ditch the "detonateable shots" idea. Instead, have the basic shot be some average firepower, while the special shot is a single bomb that, on impact, does a large amount of damage over a big area. The catch is that if you use the bomb, you're unable to attack for a short period of time. So, very powerful, but you need to make your shots count.

06-12-2011, 07:09 AM	#11
DanDead Join Date: May 2010 Reputation: 2 Posts: 84	Beam and Charge are the only two ships worth using in my opinion. Charge is espeically good for killing big ships, espeically bosses as it's charge attack can destroy any boss form in two shots.

06-12-2011, 07:57 AM	#15
teQ Join Date: Jan 2008 Reputation: 19 Posts: 100	Bomber as it is is an awful ship. Gunner, in my opinion, is by far the best ship to use in most situations. It has the potential to attack from any position on the screen. The beam and charge ships are good but when you have things behind you homing in there is no possible way to get rid of them unless you have a gap in the bullets or a vaunt to use.