Not allowed to transfer old games to friends

[max2]

Originally Posted by fjawodfc

Even if they wanted to allow it, it gets complicated. What about games with short single-player campaigns and no (or stupid/worthless) multiplayer like Call of Duty? I could finish the game in one day and give it to a "friend". He could finish in a day and pass it on. Maybe each time there's money changing hands. See where this could go?



That was never the case. Businesses only brown-nose customers and tell them they're "right" to ensure future profits.

Kinda like movies and music eh ?

I know plenty of my friends borrow movies, at least, from family members to watch them. Is wrong? I don't think so. Did Hollywood try to make it wrong? Yes.

The only time it is not allowed is if you are showing it to a audience of people like running your own old theater from movies you bought in the store. Wouldn't do well either I don't think and even if it did your not suppose to. Hollywood wanted to make it where there was a limit of how many people in the same house could see it I believe. Plus a restriction on loaning it out to friends and family.

[Sollus]

Originally Posted by safesinger

...I bet thier sales would not suffer at all.

Let's say your friend wants Game X. You have Game X and don't want it anymore. Instead of buying Game X through Valve, your friend now gives you the money instead.

Now multiply that a few million times for all the Steam users out there. How would this not affect Valve's sales?

These sorts of exchanges are seen in many industries only because they can't be controlled. In this case, Valve can control them easily.

[Jashin]

This is why I don't like most digital distribution - the fact that you DON'T OWN WHAT YOU PAID FOR.

Whereas at GOG you pay it you own it. No DRM.

And most of you are so neutered you think just cus it's in a user agreement that you're forced to okay before digging into a game you always paid for, that it's right and just. If people can sue over digital items in MMOs, I don't see why this would be different. In fact this has even more legitimacy since everything is bought with real money.

In the case of lost sales, valve can charge a nominal "transfer fee" or whatever, say a few dollars, shared with the publisher of the title that's transferred. It could potentially make more money in the long run.

[fjawodfc]

Originally Posted by Jashin

This is why I don't like most digital distribution - the fact that you DON"T OWN WHAT YOU PAID FOR.

Whereas GOG you pay it you own it.

No, you still don't. Nor do you own a game on a disc.

[damaged]

Originally Posted by Jashin

This is why I don't like most digital distribution - the fact that you DON"T OWN WHAT YOU PAID FOR.

Whereas GOG you pay it you own it.

And most of you are so neutered you think just cus it's in a user agreement that you're forced to okay before digging into a game you always paid for, that it's right and just.

If people can sue over digital items in MMOs, I don't see why this would be different. In fact this has even more legitimacy since everything is bought with real money.

From GOG's TOS:

THE PRODUCTS OR SERVICES OFFERED ON THE SITE ARE PROVIDED OR LICENSED "AS IS" WITH NO WARRANTIES WHATSOEVER. ALL EXPRESS, IMPLIED, AND STATUTORY WARRANTIES, INCLUDING, WITHOUT LIMITATION, WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE, AND NON-INFRINGEMENT OF PROPRIETARY RIGHTS, ARE EXPRESSLY DISCLAIMED TO THE FULLEST EXTENT PERMITTED BY LAW. TO THE FULLEST EXTENT PERMITTED BY LAW, GOG DISCLAIMS ANY WARRANTIES FOR SECURITY, RELIABILITY, TIMELINESS, AND PERFORMANCE OF THE PRODUCTS AND SERVICES OFFERED ON THE SERVICE. TO THE FULLEST EXTENT PERMITTED BY LAW, GOG DISCLAIMS ANY WARRANTIES FOR OTHER SERVICES OR GOODS RECEIVED THROUGH OR ADVERTISED ON THE SERVICE OR RECEIVED THROUGH ANY LINKS PROVIDED ON THE SERVICE, AS WELL AS FOR ANY INFORMATION OR ADVICE RECEIVED THROUGH THE SERVICE OR THROUGH ANY LINKS PROVIDED ON THE SERVICE. GOG SIMILARLY DISCLAIMS, TO THE FULLEST EXTENT PERMITTED BY LAW, ANY WARRANTIES FOR ANY INFORMATION OR ADVICE OBTAINED THROUGH THE SERVICE. YOU UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT ANY MATERIAL DOWNLOADED OR OTHERWISE OBTAINED THROUGH THE USE OF THE PRODUCTS AND SERVICES OF THE SERVICE IS AT YOUR OWN DISCRETION AND RISK AND THAT YOU WILL BE SOLELY RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY DAMAGES TO OR CLAIMS IN RESPECT THEREOF, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION, YOUR COMPUTER SYSTEM OR LOSS OF DATA THAT RESULTS IN THE DOWNLOAD OF SUCH MATERIAL.

You agree that the Service, including but not limited to text, editorial content, graphics, artwork, photographs, music, sound, video, screen shots and software, contains proprietary information and material that is owned by GOG and/or its licensors, and is protected by applicable intellectual property and other laws, including but not limited to copyright. You will not use such proprietary information or materials in any way whatsoever except for use of the Service in compliance with the terms of this Agreement.

There is no mention of ownership.

[Jashin]

Originally Posted by fjawodfc

No, you still don't. Nor do you own a game on a disc.

rofl, say that back to yourself.

try it

"wait let me take it out of my closet.."

"YOU DON'T OWN IT!!!!!"

[damaged]

Originally Posted by Jashin

rofl, say that back to yourself.

try it

"wait let me take it out of my closet.."

"YOU DON'T OWN IT!!!!!"

You own the media, you do not own the game, only a license to play the game.

[Jashin]

Originally Posted by damaged

You own the media, you do not own the game, only a license to play the game.

You understand the meaning of ownership? Huh buddy? Anyone bored idiot can pull up a wallotext.

Try this on for size: I'm okay with GOG's terms for ownership/non-ownership.

[damaged]

Originally Posted by Jashin

You understand the meaning of ownership? Huh buddy? Anyone bored idiot can pull up a wallotext when.

Try this on for size: I'm okay with GOG's terms for ownership/non-ownership.

Better than you, apparently.

[Sollus]

Originally Posted by Jashin

And most of you are so neutered you think just cus it's in a user agreement that you're forced to okay before digging into a game you always paid for, that it's right and just. If people can sue over digital items in MMOs, I don't see why this would be different. In fact this has even more legitimacy since everything is bought with real money.

Specifically whose post are you referring to? I hope it's not mine, because I didn't say anywhere that I'm a fan of this level of control, but rather I just explained to the OP why trades will never happen. If you were referring to my post, please don't put words in my mouth.

In fact, none of the replies in this thread indicate that anyone is in favor of this. Maybe we just accept the user agreement because we think the benefits outweigh the restrictions?

I can only assume you don't have a Steam account, otherwise you would have agreed to the TOS and would just be another "neutered" idiot like the rest of us, and that wouldn't make much sense would it?

[Edit]

Originally Posted by Jashin

You understand the meaning of ownership?

Yes, and you don't.

[welsh_boy]

Originally Posted by safesinger

I know others have asked why 1000x over. Thought maybe putting a partial solution out there for security would be a good idea.

It doesn't bother me that bad to lawyer up or anything. lol
But would be pretty neat to have a community like that.
Steam would be the 1st & I bet thier sales would not suffer at all.
I think it would bring in lots of new people willing to buy from Steam & trade off those games they purchased and didn't like.

1 problem that is solved by steam not allowing this is the problem of all the games ( mostly of course those not owned by steam directly ) that require activation keys to play either all of the game or a key that allows online play only.

Steam can do nothing about these keys as they are controlled by the software house that produce whatever game needs it. So ok you have traded , what then ? You cant play it as its already been activated and these other software houses will never issue a new key so someone else can play it.
Its hard enough just trying to get them to send you a copy of the original key or fix issues with keys that dont work when you initially buy a product.

[mirtol]

GreenManGaming allows you to trade PC games.

But there's alimited selection and not all the games on there can be traded.

The tradin value isn't that great either so... personally, I;d rather just own the game and keep it for life. And with steam, at least I'll never lose or scratch the disc.

[Jashin]

Originally Posted by damaged

Better than you, apparently.

And a neutered, powerless motha♥♥♥♥a you are.

Originally Posted by Sollus

blah blah

Who are you? Why are you speaking to me?

[michael89]

Originally Posted by safesinger

Last I checked I paid for all my software on Steam.
Never said I didn't like it..WTF.
Just thinking of a solution.

If i wouldnt balance on the top of the knife blade (getting banned), i would give you a lesson about thinking. Its your lucky day though, that thinking (especially independent) is one of the most hatred things nowdays, so i will just get in to the point:

When you buy a game from steam, you only buy a license (~ right) to play that game. The license is private, and cant be distributed to others.

[welsh_boy]

Originally Posted by fjawodfc

That was never the case. Businesses only brown-nose customers and tell them they're "right" to ensure future profits.

No .. this was always the case up until a few years ago. Regardless of the reasons. If you went into a store and said you wanted to take something back because it was the wrong colour , even if it was the colour you wanted they would be happy to give you a refund.

These days whatever item you have could blow up into a million pieces but if it was past its 90 day store warranty it would have to be sent away to the manufacturer for repair. lol 90 days ... long gone are the good ole days of 12 months no questions asked.