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Old 08-05-2011, 07:12 PM   #181
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Getting a bit off topic there.

What's news on the Ro2 censorship thingy?....Keep us posted yeah?
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Old 08-05-2011, 07:19 PM   #182
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Getting a bit off topic there.

What's news on the Ro2 censorship thingy?....Keep us posted yeah?
It'll be at least a few days before we hear back from the Board in Astralia, via the local distributor...

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Old 08-05-2011, 09:15 PM   #183
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The classification board don't work on weekends AFAIK. Earliest we'll hear back is Monday but it'll probably be Tuesday or Wednesday.
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Old 08-05-2011, 10:27 PM   #184
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Once an application for classification is made, the Australian Classification Board (it always annoys me when people refer to the OFLC given they haven't technically existed for a number of years) has "up to" something like 20 days (or thereabouts) to return a decision - hence my earlier question as to whether or not RO2 has actually been submitted yet...
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Old 08-05-2011, 11:31 PM   #185
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So one of the questions that has been asked at least 2x on this thread that hasnt been answered that I want an answer to is:

When we get an R18+ rating, will people who bought the censored version have the uncensored of RO2 be made available to redownload/or will a patch be made available? OR will Tripwire make us pay again to get the Unsensored version?

I hope this makes sence I've had afew beers.
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Old 08-05-2011, 11:47 PM   #186
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Actually the question should be if it ends up getting cut to fit into MA15+, would Tripwire bother to resubmit the uncut version (and pay the fee for reclassifying it) once an R18+ rating is implemented?

It is irrelevant whether they would make a patch available or not if they don't first get it reclassified ...

And is that a cost Tripwire want to bear in 6-12 months (or longer) after all their initial (and likely most profitable) sales are made?

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Old 08-06-2011, 04:11 AM   #187
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Wrong. Our movie's go up to the highest rating from G - X18.

Australia just needs this r18+ for video games and we will be all set, just hopefully it will be really soon!
Not entirely accurate, there are banned, or Refused Classification adult films that are distributed in other parts of the world.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-06-2...riddle/2776656

"The implied violence comment is so strict that it renders virtually all crossover drama/porn films (those that ape cop shows, fantasy films and drama, but with added full sex scenes).

Adult videos have for instance been Refused Classification for showing a gun on a table or for showing a headline in a newspaper describing a murder. One video was refused classification because it was about people looking for a friend that had been kidnapped - even though the kidnapping was never shown. Another was rated RC because a character simply had a black eye. Another was rejected because of a scene showing a doctor putting on a pair of rubber gloves."

"... Only one spank (as in a slap on the bum) is allowed at any one time. And that can't be very hard. All BDSM is banned."

Quite poor form, hopefully the review that is currently being conducted finds its way out of the old wowser god bothering influence of the ACL and Connorhoid the Internet sanitiser.

As for R-18, its been a ridiculous 10 years of waiting to finally get it to where we are now, most of us are content with importing, means Gerry Harvey gets something to and whine about which is an added bonus.

Will be keeping an eye out for an update next week. Cheers to Tripwire for keeping us informed on the situation. Just one question, should the LV version be the one for sale down here, with the gifting, does the Gifter receive the Bonus content (KF skins, HatFortress Hats) or the recipient?
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Old 08-06-2011, 04:38 AM   #188
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Not entirely accurate, there are banned, or Refused Classification adult films that are distributed in other parts of the world.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-06-2...riddle/2776656

Will be keeping an eye out for an update next week. Cheers to Tripwire for keeping us informed on the situation. Just one question, should the LV version be the one for sale down here, with the gifting, does the Gifter receive the Bonus content (KF skins, HatFortress Hats) or the recipient?
Crap... So Telstra & Optus are (voluntarily) censoring our internet now? It never ends...

Thanks for mentioning the Bonus Content if gifting BTW - I didn't think of that but I'd like to know how that works too.
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Old 08-06-2011, 04:56 AM   #189
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. Just one question, should the LV version be the one for sale down here, with the gifting, does the Gifter receive the Bonus content (KF skins, HatFortress Hats) or the recipient?
i got it gifted by my kiwi friend i got the kf skins
not sure bout the tf2 hats as i don't play.
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Old 08-06-2011, 06:36 AM   #190
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Crap... So Telstra & Optus are (voluntarily) censoring our internet now? It never ends...

Thanks for mentioning the Bonus Content if gifting BTW - I didn't think of that but I'd like to know how that works too.
The censorship is the Interpol list, the interesting thing is ACMA compiling a list of its own, and Conroys Filter plan is not dead in the water, merely shelved until a review comes out in 2013.

http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum....cfm?t=1752098

Up to part 98, very long discussion thread about it.

http://libertus.net/censor/isp-block...voluntary.html

Another site with information compiled about the ISP filter scheme. Now, so as to get back on topic (This is my last post on that issue, apologies for the thread derailing)...

Cheers for the headsup on the extra gifts. I much prefer KF, but I do sometimes play TFPixar due to having many years of fun with TFC. I can sometimes find the kind of frantic fun that I used to enjoy, not that interested in the hats but the KF skins, yes, id very much like to play with those skins. Also, would I be correct in assuming that the pre-order bonuses will be applicable up to the day before release? 3 weeks should be plenty of time for the Review board.
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Old 08-06-2011, 09:28 AM   #191
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The censorship is the Interpol list, the interesting thing is ACMA compiling a list of its own, and Conroys Filter plan is not dead in the water, merely shelved until a review comes out in 2013.

http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum....cfm?t=1752098

Up to part 98, very long discussion thread about it.

http://libertus.net/censor/isp-block...voluntary.html

Another site with information compiled about the ISP filter scheme. Now, so as to get back on topic (This is my last post on that issue, apologies for the thread derailing)...
Actually it was my fault for derailing the thread so I apologize too. I appreciate the information though - I was just surprised the internet filter issue is back again so quick is all... (right after the progress made with the R18+ schedule too)
Anyways I'll keep posts about those issues out of this thread from now on...
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Old 08-06-2011, 09:58 AM   #192
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It's sort of interesting, coming from another thread which asked the "average age of the average RO2 player". There were more people in their twenties than anything, a few older and a few a bit younger. So with that being said, I hightly doubt a dismembered limb is going to shatter anyones life. Good luck Aussies.
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Old 08-06-2011, 08:12 PM   #193
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Actually it was my fault for derailing the thread so I apologize too. I appreciate the information though - I was just surprised the internet filter issue is back again so quick is all... (right after the progress made with the R18+ schedule too)
Anyways I'll keep posts about those issues out of this thread from now on...
To my knowledge the filter list used by Telstra and Optus only blocks a small number of CP sites. I believe New Zealand and the UK do this exact same thing. Conroy's filter was set to block all RCed content including unrated videogames (like RO2 possibly), which is on the same level as China and Saudi Arabia. That's why people were up in arms over his list and not the current one. The Greens state they are firmly against Conroy's filter so with them around I don't see how it can be implemented.

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Old 08-07-2011, 12:52 AM   #194
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To my knowledge the filter list used by Telstra and Optus only blocks a small number of CP sites. I believe New Zealand and the UK do this exact same thing. Conroy's filter was set to block all RCed content including unrated videogames (like RO2 possibly), which is on the same level as China and Saudi Arabia. That's why people were up in arms over his list and not the current one. The Greens state they are firmly against Conroy's filter so with them around I don't see how it can be implemented.
ISP level web filtering once implemented has the potential to filter material it wasn't originally put in place for. Groups like the ACL know this only too well and you can bet they will fight tooth and nail to get any material they find objectionable censored. (Which going by their website seems to anything and everything. They recently lobbied to have all outdoor advertising 'G' rated the muppets...)
Even Conroy wants RC material added - yet RC material isn't even illegal to own except in WA, so the abuse has already started. The argument that only CP will be censored is also based on a bit of nonsense - just so people will not object to the filter until its already up and running and mandatory by which time it will be too late to complain.
I'm pretty sure I read the U.K decided against a filter in the end but I honestly don't know.

As it happens, I'm in the process of moving house and when I do move I will need to get a new ADSL provider - I certainly won't support any ISP that is voluntarily filtering their service regardless of how easy is is to bypass.

In any case I need to stop replying to off topic posts in this thread - I did feel that was worth saying though, really, honestly don't believe that any good will come of Conroys ISP filtering. Don't just take my word for it either, have a good read of the links Pika-Cthulhu posted...
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Old 08-07-2011, 01:04 AM   #195
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ISP level web filtering once implemented has the potential to filter material it wasn't originally put in place for. Groups like the ACL know this only too well and you can bet they will fight tooth and nail to get any material they find objectionable censored. (Which going by their website seems to anything and everything. They recently lobbied to have all outdoor advertising 'G' rated the muppets...)
Even Conroy wants RC material added - yet RC material isn't even illegal to own except in WA, so the abuse has already started. The argument that only CP will be censored is also based on a bit of nonsense - just so people will not object to the filter until its already up and running and mandatory by which time it will be too late to complain.
I'm pretty sure I read the U.K decided against a filter in the end but I honestly don't know.

As it happens, I'm in the process of moving house and when I do move I will need to get a new ADSL provider - I certainly won't support any ISP that is voluntarily filtering their service regardless of how easy is is to bypass.

In any case I need to stop replying to off topic posts in this thread - I did feel that was worth saying though, really, honestly don't believe that any good will come of Conroys ISP filtering. Don't just take my word for it either, have a good read of the links Pika-Cthulhu posted...
I agree. I was just stating that the current filter implemented by Teltra and Optus isn't anything out of the ordinary in the western world, it's Conroy's filter we have to worry about. I'm still going to say that Conroy's filter is dead in the water as long as the Greens have some power. He's just blowing hot air as to not upset the ACL.
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