60 FPS cap on 120hz monitor = super annoying

f3likx · 10-04-2011, 01:35 PM

Alright, I can't believe this. I have a 120 hz monitor, and I can only use half the refresh rate? More tearing for no good reason? Two GTX 570s, and I'm in choppy judder land because of an arbitrary decision by the almighty Carmack, who once loved PC gaming but now doesn't have time for us non-standardized (aka non-console) users.

Unreal. Can anyone figure out how to uncap the framerate?

And hopefully John hasn't locked this down for some ill-conceived greater good, like he did in Doom 3. In that game, uncapping the framerate would ruin the physics.

Very annoyed. I guess I won't be buying Doom 4 on launch day, that's for damn sure.

And I don't want to hear a single idiot telling me you can't see more than 60hz. The same for anyone suggesting V-sync; I didn't buy a 120hz monitor so I can run with v-sync (and the associated mouselag).

Man, I'd love to talk to Carmack in person... I bet I'd be able to read the "I'm sorry man, we needed to for consoles!" all over his face.

install gentoo · 10-04-2011, 01:36 PM

Yeah, really should support 120hz. Carmack was talking about 120hz vs 60hz in his twitter not terribly long ago as well.

f3likx · 10-04-2011, 01:40 PM

That's what really gets me - I know he's a stickler for this stuff, because check this out:

http://www.geek.com/articles/games/j...1995-20110920/

scubs · 10-04-2011, 01:44 PM

my 120hz monitor is also capped at 60fps.

i think the devs of this game had no idea that 120Hz monitors even existed.. pretty sad.

THE Nakedgun · 10-04-2011, 02:10 PM

Theres a command in idtech 4 to remove it, it might work in idtech 5.

com_fixedtic -1

Mortos Der · 10-04-2011, 02:27 PM

total agree. very sad

RezCascade · 10-04-2011, 02:34 PM

Wow, when Carmack said that Rage would be a 60Hz game and Doom 4 would be a 30Hz game, I had no idea he meant that they would be FRIGGEN CAPPED AT THOSE RATES ON THE PC. Has he been huffing rocket fuel or something?

~kev~ · 10-04-2011, 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scubs

my 120hz monitor is also capped at 60fps.

i think the devs of this game had no idea that 120Hz monitors even existed.. pretty sad.

Considering 120hz is popular in LCD TVs, how did the developers miss it?

Asacolips · 10-04-2011, 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ~kev~

Considering 120hz is popular in LCD TVs, how did the developers miss it?

Most 120hz tv's actually just interpolate a 60fps signal, so they're not truly 120fps. To get a 120fps monitor, you need an lcd that can handle 3d, because are true 120hz by design.

f3likx · 10-04-2011, 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Asacolips

Most 120hz tv's actually just interpolate a 60fps signal, so they're not truly 120fps. To get a 120fps monitor, you need an lcd that can handle 3d, because are true 120hz by design.

This is correct.

RezCascade · 10-04-2011, 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by f3likx

This is correct.

Yeah. Well, kind of. If it's capable of interpolating a 60fps signal up to 120Hz, then it's theoretically capable of displaying 120Hz native, but some of the displays might not accept the signal.

It gets even more confusing when you consider that most TVs aren't listed by their actual capabilities, but by whatever garbage motion interpolation software they use. Hackers have pushed plenty of "120Hz" tvs way, way past that mark.

Bottom line, don't buy a friggen TV for PC gaming unless you really know what you're doing. Most of them cause all kinds of problems. Safer to stick with a real monitor.

f3likx · 10-04-2011, 05:10 PM

Which I (and many others) have, yet cannot use with this game because no real reason whatsoever.

DarkByke · 10-04-2011, 05:27 PM

You guys talk like you know him personally, kinda creepy!

Also, your eyes can't distinguish the difference past 60

CanadaRox · 10-04-2011, 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkByke

You guys talk like you know him personally, kinda creepy!

Also, your eyes can't distinguish the difference past 60

Anyone who has gamed on a 120Hz monitor in a game with a PC that can actually give them 120FPS can tell you that this is incorrect. A quick search on Google brings up tests that the USAF did where pilots could identify planes that they had seen for only 1/220th of a second.

Kaedex · 10-04-2011, 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkByke

You guys talk like you know him personally, kinda creepy!

Also, your eyes can't distinguish the difference past 60

another idiot with the "your eyes can't distinguish x fps"

let me guess, your first monitor screen was a ♥♥♥♥ty lcd ?

I even noticed the difference when I used to play unreal tournament on a 120hz crt monitor without the crappy lcd lag and ghosting.

10-04-2011, 01:35 PM	#1
f3likx Join Date: Apr 2008 Reputation: 1 Posts: 53	60 FPS cap on 120hz monitor = super annoying Alright, I can't believe this. I have a 120 hz monitor, and I can only use half the refresh rate? More tearing for no good reason? Two GTX 570s, and I'm in choppy judder land because of an arbitrary decision by the almighty Carmack, who once loved PC gaming but now doesn't have time for us non-standardized (aka non-console) users. Unreal. Can anyone figure out how to uncap the framerate? And hopefully John hasn't locked this down for some ill-conceived greater good, like he did in Doom 3. In that game, uncapping the framerate would ruin the physics. Very annoyed. I guess I won't be buying Doom 4 on launch day, that's for damn sure. And I don't want to hear a single idiot telling me you can't see more than 60hz. The same for anyone suggesting V-sync; I didn't buy a 120hz monitor so I can run with v-sync (and the associated mouselag). Man, I'd love to talk to Carmack in person... I bet I'd be able to read the "I'm sorry man, we needed to for consoles!" all over his face.

10-04-2011, 01:40 PM	#3
f3likx Join Date: Apr 2008 Reputation: 1 Posts: 53	That's what really gets me - I know he's a stickler for this stuff, because check this out: http://www.geek.com/articles/games/j...1995-20110920/ Last edited by f3likx: 10-04-2011 at 01:44 PM.

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THE Nakedgun Banned Join Date: Oct 2005 Reputation: 597 Posts: 4,146	Theres a command in idtech 4 to remove it, it might work in idtech 5. com_fixedtic -1 Last edited by THE Nakedgun: 10-04-2011 at 02:12 PM.

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10-04-2011, 01:36 PM	#2
install gentoo Join Date: Mar 2011 Reputation: 299 Posts: 1,586	Yeah, really should support 120hz. Carmack was talking about 120hz vs 60hz in his twitter not terribly long ago as well.

10-04-2011, 01:44 PM	#4
scubs Join Date: Aug 2011 Reputation: 310 Posts: 1,382	my 120hz monitor is also capped at 60fps. i think the devs of this game had no idea that 120Hz monitors even existed.. pretty sad.

10-04-2011, 02:27 PM	#6
Mortos Der Join Date: Jul 2010 Reputation: 0 Posts: 26	total agree. very sad

10-04-2011, 02:34 PM	#7
RezCascade Join Date: Mar 2011 Reputation: 613 Posts: 1,381	Wow, when Carmack said that Rage would be a 60Hz game and Doom 4 would be a 30Hz game, I had no idea he meant that they would be FRIGGEN CAPPED AT THOSE RATES ON THE PC. Has he been huffing rocket fuel or something?

10-04-2011, 05:10 PM	#12
f3likx Join Date: Apr 2008 Reputation: 1 Posts: 53	Which I (and many others) have, yet cannot use with this game because no real reason whatsoever.

10-04-2011, 05:27 PM	#13
DarkByke Join Date: Apr 2011 Reputation: 110 Posts: 1,124	You guys talk like you know him personally, kinda creepy! Also, your eyes can't distinguish the difference past 60