players who like easy games are often offended or blamed

jackhunter · 11-15-2011, 07:42 AM

Hello, dunno if this happens in your country, but in mine, there are often conflicts on the internet between "casual gamers" and "true gamers".

If yuou dare say you enjoy stuff like auto-aim, life regen, questmarks, people will blame you.
Players who buy CoD games are often called "subhumans" "young morons from the new generation", etc.

More or less, new teenagers are blamed for not knowing how to write or read correctly, being less clever than ther elders, being pure consumers, etc.And somehow ,they are accused of being lazy, and this accusation finds an echo in video games.

Saying you enjoy Cod will bring on you a lot of bad comments,and people will state you are not a player, just a cow that companies milk.

Arent you sometimes jarateed off by those commentaries?People think saying you are a hardcore gamer makes you someone from the elite.

Somehow, video games are crysallizing a kind of hatry between generations and people.

You may say i am exaggerating, but thsi happens almost every day of the year.
Examples of games for "cows" or so said: CoD,Fable, people who have a wii,Batman Arkham Asylum,etc...

Snaggle · 11-15-2011, 07:43 AM

I got MW3 because of the campaign, that's all. I played a few hours of online to give it a go but i've not touched it since. Doesn't bother me what people play just don't go all noob on me in BF3 when I need my tank repaired

mattila95 · 11-15-2011, 07:45 AM

It jaratees me off more when someone who likes easy games, starts playing more challenging games, and blames the game if he/she gets beaten up on it.

(challenging games arent for those, who are gotten used to easy games.)

Orko... · 11-15-2011, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by jackhunter

"casual gamers" and "true gamers".

So, "causal gamers" aren't "true gamers"?

I guess we can all see where you're coming from, can't we?

bluz74 · 11-15-2011, 07:56 AM

People have a tendency to compare things to what they want it to be, not what it's meant to be.

mattila95 · 11-15-2011, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Orko...

So, "causal gamers" aren't "true gamers"?

I guess we can all see where you're coming from, can't we?

there are "casual gamers" and "gamers".
That is the less mean split up.

JayceM · 11-15-2011, 09:02 AM

I have no problem with 'casual' games, I just don't really play them 'cause they don't appeal to me, but if people enjoy them, then who am I to tell them they can't?

However, what's beginning to annoy me is that it's becoming the 'norm' to add a lot of these things to games, and to be fair, I like a challenge when I play videogames. I start on the hardest difficulty available, and if that's not challenging, then I find myself a bit cheated.

Thing is, developers seem to struggle to find the middle-ground. If you've got regenerating health, it's regenerative even in the hardest difficulty...you just take more damage. Whereas, they could add a health system instead, or at least be a bit more inventive in making it harder without just racking up damage you take.

Then it comes to achievements as well. If you get one for completing the game on the 'hardest difficulty' setting and then you find people will complain because it's 'too hard' to achieve it. I kinda agree with Mattila - it annoys me when 'casuals' complain about the difficulty of something if they've then deliberately chosen the harder setting.

Still, there's games like Dark Souls and Demon Souls for me - it's just a shame there aren't enough.

Acetyl · 11-15-2011, 09:08 AM

Why is it such a big deal to you what other people think? Enjoy it for yourself.

TheEditor · 11-15-2011, 09:26 AM

I actually agree with them. Things like auto-aim, life regen, non-dedicated servers (F*** you MW2/MW3), etc. Are truly annoying.

If we play Quake nowadays, we'd consider it to be 'hardcore', because of it's difficulty, but it's actually one of the easiest games ever. If you know how to use the WASD buttons and shoot a gun, you can play it. You don't even have to aim up or above.

AraxisHT · 11-15-2011, 09:30 AM

It's a big deal because companies have found that it is more profitable to just make games for the zombies and aren't making many games of quality anymore.

MADDOGGE · 11-15-2011, 10:24 AM

Anyone that likes casual FPS/TPS games should be shot, hung, drown, burned at the stake, given the death of a 1000 cuts and killed slowly for ruining it for everyone that put gaming on the map.

Gaming isn't for everyone. Go back to watching TV.

Stop turning my games into interactive movies.

I blame the developers, all they had to do was add a casual mode to their games and they could have made both crowds could happy. They chose instead to dumb it down for everyone in hope that a new influx of casual gamers would make up for the loss of the "real" gamers. Seems to have worked since games on the whole have gotten easier and easier and more and more often the game plays itself. Cutscenes, scripted scenes, QTE's, no exploring, can't hardly die, straight run linear gameplay, not much left for the veteran player to do in these new games.

epicphail · 11-15-2011, 10:29 AM

just play what you want and don't care what people think? Granted I hate the COD franchise and the way they are doing things for PC but I still love playing a game or two on console cause its relaxing and fun, I also like to play more hardcore serious games like CSS.

monkeedude1212 · 11-15-2011, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by jackhunter

More or less, new teenagers are blamed for not knowing how to write or read correctly, being less clever than ther elders, being pure consumers, etc.And somehow ,they are accused of being lazy, and this accusation finds an echo in video games.

It also finds an echo in music, film, television, literature... and... well just about every form of media!

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Arent you sometimes jarateed off by those commentaries?People think saying you are a hardcore gamer makes you someone from the elite.

Whenever someone takes pride in being a "Hardcore gamer" I like to think back to an interview I saw with DragonForce, on the subject of Guitar Hero, and how it's impacted their careers being the "hardest song in the game" and how they view the game in general. I can't remember his exact words, but the message was along the lines of:
When you are playing a game version of some activity, whether it be a musical rhythm game, or a soldier in the middle of a war, or managing a restaurant, even on the most difficult setting the game has to offer, it's never as difficult as the real thing. You aren't playing a real guitar, just like you aren't really sprinting from cover to cover, while having to aim and carry a real rifle. We, as musicians, have spent years practicing to be as good as we are, and no amount of people pressing plastic buttons can detract from the actual amount of skill the real thing takes. We welcome anyone to try and do the real thing.

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Somehow, video games are crysallizing a kind of hatry between generations and people.

It's not to be unexpected. The disagreement between generations is a tale as old as time itself. Video games are just a new frontier for the same bickering to take place.

AraxisHT · 11-15-2011, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by epicphail

just play what you want and don't care what people think?

The problem is that the selection of what we want has been cut to an offensively small size because of the casual cash cow.

Draek · 11-15-2011, 10:50 AM

I believe there's basically three kinds of gamers:

- Those that prefer to relax themselves with a game, and tend to like things like quest marks, hints and such. They generally play games like CoD and Fable, and are usually a pleasant sort of fellow to chat with, though exceptions do exist.

- Those that prefer their games to include 150-page manuals that serve only as an introduction to all the game has to offer. They generally play games like Hearts of Iron and ArmA, and generally don't care much for the people in the other two categories.

- Then there's the "h4rdc0r3" who flame the first for being too "casual" and "dumbing down" gaming, right before flaming the second for being too "complicated" and without enough action to keep their little minds' attention for long. They're generally the kind putting Starcraft and Counter-Strike forward as the most complex examples of their respective genres when they're anything but, due to their serious inexperience with the genres. Good luck getting them to admit *that*, though.

Suffice to say, most of the people who consider themselves "real gamers" belong to the third category rather than the second.

11-15-2011, 07:42 AM	#1
jackhunter Join Date: Nov 2010 Reputation: 10 Posts: 179	players who like easy games are often offended or blamed Hello, dunno if this happens in your country, but in mine, there are often conflicts on the internet between "casual gamers" and "true gamers". If yuou dare say you enjoy stuff like auto-aim, life regen, questmarks, people will blame you. Players who buy CoD games are often called "subhumans" "young morons from the new generation", etc. More or less, new teenagers are blamed for not knowing how to write or read correctly, being less clever than ther elders, being pure consumers, etc.And somehow ,they are accused of being lazy, and this accusation finds an echo in video games. Saying you enjoy Cod will bring on you a lot of bad comments,and people will state you are not a player, just a cow that companies milk. Arent you sometimes jarateed off by those commentaries?People think saying you are a hardcore gamer makes you someone from the elite. Somehow, video games are crysallizing a kind of hatry between generations and people. You may say i am exaggerating, but thsi happens almost every day of the year. Examples of games for "cows" or so said: CoD,Fable, people who have a wii,Batman Arkham Asylum,etc...

11-15-2011, 10:24 AM	#11
MADDOGGE Join Date: Jan 2008 Reputation: 8208 Posts: 25,030	Anyone that likes casual FPS/TPS games should be shot, hung, drown, burned at the stake, given the death of a 1000 cuts and killed slowly for ruining it for everyone that put gaming on the map.Gaming isn't for everyone. Go back to watching TV.Stop turning my games into interactive movies. I blame the developers, all they had to do was add a casual mode to their games and they could have made both crowds could happy. They chose instead to dumb it down for everyone in hope that a new influx of casual gamers would make up for the loss of the "real" gamers. Seems to have worked since games on the whole have gotten easier and easier and more and more often the game plays itself. Cutscenes, scripted scenes, QTE's, no exploring, can't hardly die, straight run linear gameplay, not much left for the veteran player to do in these new games.

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11-15-2011, 07:43 AM	#2
Snaggle Join Date: Feb 2008 Reputation: 310 Posts: 2,161	I got MW3 because of the campaign, that's all. I played a few hours of online to give it a go but i've not touched it since. Doesn't bother me what people play just don't go all noob on me in BF3 when I need my tank repaired

11-15-2011, 07:45 AM	#3
mattila95 Banned Join Date: Oct 2011 Reputation: 98 Posts: 543	It jaratees me off more when someone who likes easy games, starts playing more challenging games, and blames the game if he/she gets beaten up on it. (challenging games arent for those, who are gotten used to easy games.)

11-15-2011, 07:56 AM	#5
bluz74 Join Date: Aug 2009 Reputation: 33718 Posts: 5,585	People have a tendency to compare things to what they want it to be, not what it's meant to be.

11-15-2011, 09:02 AM	#7
JayceM Join Date: Sep 2009 Reputation: 2930 Posts: 2,381	I have no problem with 'casual' games, I just don't really play them 'cause they don't appeal to me, but if people enjoy them, then who am I to tell them they can't? However, what's beginning to annoy me is that it's becoming the 'norm' to add a lot of these things to games, and to be fair, I like a challenge when I play videogames. I start on the hardest difficulty available, and if that's not challenging, then I find myself a bit cheated. Thing is, developers seem to struggle to find the middle-ground. If you've got regenerating health, it's regenerative even in the hardest difficulty...you just take more damage. Whereas, they could add a health system instead, or at least be a bit more inventive in making it harder without just racking up damage you take. Then it comes to achievements as well. If you get one for completing the game on the 'hardest difficulty' setting and then you find people will complain because it's 'too hard' to achieve it. I kinda agree with Mattila - it annoys me when 'casuals' complain about the difficulty of something if they've then deliberately chosen the harder setting. Still, there's games like Dark Souls and Demon Souls for me - it's just a shame there aren't enough.

11-15-2011, 09:08 AM	#8
Acetyl Banned Join Date: Dec 2010 Reputation: 169 Posts: 238	Why is it such a big deal to you what other people think? Enjoy it for yourself.

11-15-2011, 09:26 AM	#9
TheEditor Banned Join Date: Apr 2011 Reputation: 210 Posts: 122	I actually agree with them. Things like auto-aim, life regen, non-dedicated servers (F*** you MW2/MW3), etc. Are truly annoying. If we play Quake nowadays, we'd consider it to be 'hardcore', because of it's difficulty, but it's actually one of the easiest games ever. If you know how to use the WASD buttons and shoot a gun, you can play it. You don't even have to aim up or above.

11-15-2011, 09:30 AM	#10
AraxisHT Join Date: Jun 2011 Reputation: 566 Posts: 1,421	It's a big deal because companies have found that it is more profitable to just make games for the zombies and aren't making many games of quality anymore.

11-15-2011, 10:29 AM	#12
epicphail Join Date: Nov 2009 Reputation: 619 Posts: 2,203	just play what you want and don't care what people think? Granted I hate the COD franchise and the way they are doing things for PC but I still love playing a game or two on console cause its relaxing and fun, I also like to play more hardcore serious games like CSS.

11-15-2011, 10:50 AM	#15
Draek Join Date: Jan 2009 Reputation: 1684 Posts: 755	I believe there's basically three kinds of gamers: - Those that prefer to relax themselves with a game, and tend to like things like quest marks, hints and such. They generally play games like CoD and Fable, and are usually a pleasant sort of fellow to chat with, though exceptions do exist. - Those that prefer their games to include 150-page manuals that serve only as an introduction to all the game has to offer. They generally play games like Hearts of Iron and ArmA, and generally don't care much for the people in the other two categories. - Then there's the "h4rdc0r3" who flame the first for being too "casual" and "dumbing down" gaming, right before flaming the second for being too "complicated" and without enough action to keep their little minds' attention for long. They're generally the kind putting Starcraft and Counter-Strike forward as the most complex examples of their respective genres when they're anything but, due to their serious inexperience with the genres. Good luck getting them to admit that, though. Suffice to say, most of the people who consider themselves "real gamers" belong to the third category rather than the second.