I give up

[tassie patrol]

Originally Posted by ozgeek

Unfornately, when you bought the game, you agreed to the terms shown on the back of the retail box. It does says it requires Steam which is a online gaming service, to activate and play. Steam have it's perk that it automtically updates the games so you don't have to go and look for the updates. Unfornately, this is unsuitable for those with small usage limits. You would need almost unlimited or large limit monthly data.

And the shop not telling you, actually every game you buy from the shop have a agreement you choose to accept when installing the game. Before, games was extremely easy to share, despite not allowed in the agreement. Steam now enforces this by forcing you not to share by locking the game key to one account and can lock your account if it is believe to be sharing which is against the agreement which is acceptable because you AGREED.

I have been on Steam for 6 years and I can tell you that you wuld need a decent internet connection to enjoy today's games.

You have to understand games are getting very complicated to develop. Before games was very simple and small therefore not requiring updates, but now GBs of data = buggy = more updates.

I understand this and do agree that yes we agree to the terms, but come on how many peopple actually read them 30% of buyers

what I ment was it should be clearly displayed on the back of the game cover beside the steam logo

like I mentioned before and yes my fault because I have a low crappy data limit and it can cost me up to $170 AUD to buy and play a current title game, if steam means to make sure ll games are up to date 100% of the time, maybe they should seriously look at free unmetered data for updates once your genuine retail activasion code has been activated on your steam account

[Fat Cat]

Originally Posted by tassie patrol

you my friend understand the plight as you also are in a similar boat, and yes I agree with you 100% if a game said you may need to down load high amounts of data at your own expence, you would just say how rediculace and move on to another game that you don't need to




I am well aware of what a rip off wireless is, and that adsl has way more data at way cheaper rates, as said earlier I am not in a postion to have a none wirless internet



Thank you thats one problem solved and yes I have an external drive i can do that with


so if I understand this, if i want to install the disc copy of the game I bought, only 2 days ago from a game store (not online) I have no way around "steam network" wanting to update/download the game and use large amounts of data on activation of the game on steam ?? surely this can not be allowed to happen , I mean why would game store not tell you you are only buying an activation code and you need to install it then download the game online via steam net work, I'm sorry but if this is how the steam net work, operates I view this as very underhanded way of basically ripping of the poor gamer who like to go to a shop and buy a game!! and doesn't care one bit for online gaming or whos clan is better at shooting, I know bit of a rant, but when people feel like they are getting ripped off hudreds of dollars by steam, game developers and , retail sellers

if a game needs 5gb of patches then maybe they should have worked the bugs out before releasing it to the public, it is the year 2012, not 1987 and floppy discs

Whoever publishes the game is sure as hell not gonna call back all retail copies just to distribute a more updated version.

Games get patched, some patches are huge. Thats how it's been.

[zh_kane]

it sounds like steam is downloading the games instead of installing from the disc (as I think it is set to do that by default)
have a look at this https://support.steampowered.com/kb_...5357-FSQM-0382 it might be able to help you out a little if you're not doing that already. sadly the games will probably need to download a patch or update anyway but it should be massively smaller than the entire game.
once that's done you can go into offline mode (in theory)

I feel your pain though, I'm in sydney and I've got telstra ultimate wireless which I use at work($100 per month for $15gb) which is more expensive than some of the other wireless plans other isps have but it's the only one decent enough to play online gaming.
it might be worth having a look around at other plans, not sure if everything is available wherever you are but from experience here 3 and vodafone were cheaper but also kind of dodgy and would cut out frequently

also as a final resort if you get a friend nearby (or even within cheap postage distance) get him to copy the game files to usb for you, then you can copy the files straight from usb to steam folder and be ready to play

[TwistedEar]

I think part of this problem is the way Steam handles patches - I've had quite a few games that have stated they are d'loading upwards of 8gb in an update, but, after it starting and finishing that d'load in a single session my total downloaded was closer to 300mb.
I won't pretend to know exactly what is happening, but my understanding is that if part of a file needs to be modified, it puts it in the list of files to be downloaded, then verifies that it is there, possibly after d'loading teh patch and patching that file - so Steam can check it for consistency. I guess it it like you doing a manual verification of local game cache. AFAIK, steam is a bit ambiguous as to whether it is actually downloading or verifying.
I guess what I'm asking is if you have actually checked your internet usage while updating these games? Or are you looking at the little numbers that come up for the d'load and hit cancel thinking 'nup, not going to risk that!

[Asat0r]

Wait WHAT. The only steam game that I bought on retail that annoyed me with the download was Homefront. I had only 5gb of data on the disc and the remaining 7 odd gb it downloaded off the net. Although I don't have cost problems its still annoying that they don't put more than half the game on the disc.

But all other steam games install right off the disc and the patches are around a gig at the most. I've never had any other retail game downloading the whole thing off the net.

Originally Posted by TwistedEar

I think part of this problem is the way Steam handles patches - I've had quite a few games that have stated they are d'loading upwards of 8gb in an update, but, after it starting and finishing that d'load in a single session my total downloaded was closer to 300mb.

When it does that Steam just skips the files once its verified that its already there on the disc and is intact. It just downloads what's missing/broken.

@ tassie patrol: are you sure its not the same case with you? A lot of times steam says its downloading the whole game but it actually not. Also when you start the setup from the disc, steam says its downloading but its actually pulling the data off the disc. It only downloads what's not on the disc.

[Hiredgoon]

Originally Posted by ozgeek

Unfornately, when you bought the game, you agreed to the terms shown on the back of the retail box. It does says it requires Steam which is a online gaming service, to activate and play.

Thats were you and steam are WRONG!!!
"BROADBAND INTERNET CONNECTION REQUIRED FOR ACTIVATION DURING INSTALL AND FOR ONLINE OR LAN PLAY" nothing about not being able to play the game you just paid top doller without first having to use all your bandwidth to update these boxed games, that quote from the retail box tells me nothing about needing internet to do updates as big as the media, Does anyone else see that it says ACTIVATE not UPDATE
Like I said in previous threads all steam cares about is the MONEY not the people, from now on when I buy games they will not be steam/Tripwire
I dont like to rant either but I will rant until steam does something about there lies on there boxes
Man forums are painfull

[tassie patrol]

Originally Posted by Hiredgoon

Thats were you and steam are WRONG!!!
"BROADBAND INTERNET CONNECTION REQUIRED FOR ACTIVATION DURING INSTALL AND FOR ONLINE OR LAN PLAY" nothing about not being able to play the game you just paid top doller without first having to use all your bandwidth to update these boxed games, that quote from the retail box tells me nothing about needing internet to do updates as big as the media, Does anyone else see that it says ACTIVATE not UPDATE
Like I said in previous threads all steam cares about is the MONEY not the people, from now on when I buy games they will not be steam/Tripwire
I dont like to rant either but I will rant until steam does something about there lies on there boxes
Man forums are painfull

I do agree that is what is printed on the back of the game box covers, but it does also say about accepting the terms and conditios blah blah, now i know i have never bothered to read much past the first ten lines, so if its stuck in there some where I tend to agree with you, that this bordering on dishonest conduct, as I saoid before if the box read

a high level internet conection wiil be need to download updates and posibly high data usage at your expence to downlod large amounts of data (upward of 5Gb) would you still be so willing to hand over $50/$100 for a game!!

[tassie patrol]

Originally Posted by zh_kane

it sounds like steam is downloading the games instead of installing from the disc (as I think it is set to do that by default)
have a look at this https://support.steampowered.com/kb_...5357-FSQM-0382 it might be able to help you out a little if you're not doing that already. sadly the games will probably need to download a patch or update anyway but it should be massively smaller than the entire game.
once that's done you can go into offline mode (in theory)

I feel your pain though, I'm in sydney and I've got telstra ultimate wireless which I use at work($100 per month for $15gb) which is more expensive than some of the other wireless plans other isps have but it's the only one decent enough to play online gaming.
it might be worth having a look around at other plans, not sure if everything is available wherever you are but from experience here 3 and vodafone were cheaper but also kind of dodgy and would cut out frequently

also as a final resort if you get a friend nearby (or even within cheap postage distance) get him to copy the game files to usb for you, then you can copy the files straight from usb to steam folder and be ready to play

thanks for the link, I sussed it out, and sadly looks as if I need the game completely installed to access the local content to delete it

atm I have left it at the screen where it says install game and it wants to install using 7565Mb of my data at my expence, I am sick to death of this with steam, to me this is just legal day light robbery, and there should be laws agaist it to protect consumers that buy hard disc copies of games, this game and joining this forum was the last straw for steam games for me, I am not paying retail price then have to fork out for internet data as well to play a game I already brought and was not informed it was not a full or real game on the disc in the case, and it funny how the retail sales person has been taught to check the game cover and inform you that if it needs online activation you can not get a refund if there is any faults or you are not happy with the purchase (eg finding out you need to download the full or parts of the game plus updates etc)

the reason why i choose to buy hard copies of my games is because I have had my computer need a complete clean install of window 3 time over the last 4 years and each time i lost all my personal files that is games ,picture,videos, downloaded (none hard disc legal copies) of software, so i refuse to pay good money for something i can't hold in my hand knowing i have the files etc there to reinstall if ever needed.


Any way I now have another steam run game that I paid $50 aud for that I can not use unless I pay for 7565Mb of data out of my pocket

[Asat0r]

I still say you should check if Steam is really downloading the 8gb it says it is. My retail copies of Steamworks game install from the discs just fine and download like 1 gig patches at the most.

[tassie patrol]

Originally Posted by Asat0r

I still say you should check if Steam is really downloading the 8gb it says it is. My retail copies of Steamworks game install from the discs just fine and download like 1 gig patches at the most.

last game I installed I had 3 gig left of my monthly data usage, then still had to down load another 2 gig on the next months data usage, that tells me it uses the data and I am sick of steam dictating what games I can buy and what ones I throw back on the shelf because they have the blasted steam logo on the cover

[Asat0r]

Originally Posted by tassie patrol

last game I installed I had 3 gig left of my monthly data usage, then still had to down load another 2 gig on the next months data usage, that tells me it uses the data and I am sick of steam dictating what games I can buy and what ones I throw back on the shelf because they have the blasted steam logo on the cover

Very strange. Until now I'd never heard of Steam downloading ALL the game when the setup was launched from the disc.

[tassie patrol]

Originally Posted by Asat0r

Very strange. Until now I'd never heard of Steam downloading ALL the game when the setup was launched from the disc.

If I am doing something wrong then stuffed if I can work out what

tried the way in a link supplied earlier, to no joy

all I know is that I installed lord of the rings war in the north and now its sitting on my steam libary, and say install but if I go any further, in past this is where it starts to use my data

[Fat Cat]

Originally Posted by tassie patrol

If I am doing something wrong then stuffed if I can work out what

tried the way in a link supplied earlier, to no joy

all I know is that I installed lord of the rings war in the north and now its sitting on my steam libary, and say install but if I go any further, in past this is where it starts to use my data

thats because every time you launch a game online, the game will check for the latest updates before launching. Obviously your copy of LOTR ITN is not up to date.

[zh_kane]

all I can really suggest is to make sure you do the support tips step by step and don't miss any
"Using Steam launch options to install retail games from disc

Log in to Steam and click on Library.
Right-click on the game, select Delete local content, and confirm.
Insert the first disc into your computer.
Close Steam (Steam > Exit).
Press Windows Key + R to open Run
In the Run window type:

"C:\Program Files\Steam\Steam.exe" -install E:

Replace E: with the CD/DVD drive you are installing from if is not correct.
Replace C:\Program Files\Steam if your Steam installation is not in the default location.
Press OK. Steam will launch and ask you to sign in if you do not have your password saved. Your installation should continue from the disc. "

if it's done right it will try to grab as much data as possible from the disc and only download an update if there has been one


also there's still plan B, find a friend that has it and grab the files directly from him via USB

[tassie patrol]

Originally Posted by zh_kane

all I can really suggest is to make sure you do the support tips step by step and don't miss any
"Using Steam launch options to install retail games from disc

Log in to Steam and click on Library.
Right-click on the game, select Delete local content, and confirm.
Insert the first disc into your computer.
Close Steam (Steam > Exit).
Press Windows Key + R to open Run
In the Run window type:

"C:\Program Files\Steam\Steam.exe" -install E:

Replace E: with the CD/DVD drive you are installing from if is not correct.
Replace C:\Program Files\Steam if your Steam installation is not in the default location.
Press OK. Steam will launch and ask you to sign in if you do not have your password saved. Your installation should continue from the disc. "

if it's done right it will try to grab as much data as possible from the disc and only download an update if there has been one


also there's still plan B, find a friend that has it and grab the files directly from him via USB

Tried it again and followed the steps exactly and nope it still wants to go straight back to the install using 7,565Mb and approximatly 8h 23mins @ 256Kb/s


stuffed if I know seems every way I try just resorts back to me feeling like steam is ripping me off blind and making my gaming experiences completly crap, when pre steam games I actually had fun now I just bloody hate trying to find a new game to play a all the good ones steam has there hands on and that leaves me feeling discriminated agaist being a none online gamer and haveing such a low data limit at such a high price.